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|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

Namaste Ramanarayanan ji,

Where is the question of getting offended, or forgiveness, when we are being

frank and sincere and are exchanging our view in order to learn and understand?

Regards & best wishes,

Shailesh

 

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Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:18 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Kendradhipati Dosha

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Shaileshji,

Thank you for your frank opinion. i remember a small story narrated by Shri

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. A rich man once approached the master. He commented

that Shri Ramakrishna paramahamsa was the greatest Tyaghi(one who has

sacrificed the most) as he had no worldly/material possessions worth

mentioning. To which the master remarked that the rich man was the greatest

Tyagi as he has sacrificed "GOD" for the worldly possessions.

A person who is in possession of four cars should be happier 4 times than that

of a person who is in possession of one car. In reality this is not so.

The highest benefit is the blessings of the ALMIGHTY. The greatest blessings are

opening up of the petals of GOD consciousness.

Kindly forgive me Sir, if you feel i had offended you by this story and statement.

Happily/happy to be yours,

psramanrayanan

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Suicide is altogether a different subject, what has exaltation of

planets to do with suicide

regards

partha

om tat sat

 

, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Shailesha,

> If I may interupt, what you say is, in a way, right. Merely because

a planet is in exaltation does not mean it will shower bounties. Some

times the reverse is the case. If we examine logically what happens,

what happen when a planet is in exaltaion is that it gains strength.

Now whether he would be able to utilise this strength to a Jaataka's

benefit will depend on primarily, two factors. First is whether he

becomes a yogakaraka by association or by just being a yogakaraka and

the second is his relation to the Ascendant (whether a trinal lord

lord of square etc.). Shri Katweji in his Yoga Vichar has proposed

that many a times Exalted planets give Kuyogas and Debilated Planets

give Suyogas. He has given horoscope of Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar

Tilaks son where Jupiter Mars and Saturn are exalted with Aquarius

rising with Venus Mercury and Rahu posited there.Sun is in Pisces and

Moon in Aries ,he commited suicide by jumping in front of Poona Mail.

> The point here is that mere Planets being exalted would not shower

blessings on a Jataka unless they are placed in right place and their

house lordship is also very important.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> Shailesh Chadha

>

> Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:19 AM

> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

Kendradhipati Dosha

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

>

> Namaste Ramanarayanan ji & Lakshmi,

>

> Thank you for your beatiful explanations. And yet, unfortunately,

I am not fully satisfied.

>

> It is not to belittle or challenge your views - only to get a

better understanding that I am posing these questions.

>

> Let me explain the background of my original doubt.

>

> In chart reading , we automatically assume that when a planet is

exalted, it will shower lots of 'goodies' on the native - or, let us

put it plainly, the planet will be capable of performing

its 'functions' (karakatwa of the bhavas/ rasis owned by it) with

greater power & efficiency, due to its exaltation.

>

> This is where the doubt arose in my mind - when a planet is in

house of 'enmity/ sickness/ accidents'(6th) or 'disease/ disgrace/

evils' (8th). You have explained the other signification of 8th

house, but that shouldn't one take the *normal* signification?

>

> Another line of thought - exaltation of a planet means a rise in

the 'spiritual' significations of the planet - or is it

both 'spiritual' as well as 'material'.

>

> Because if it is the former - 'spiritual' only, then it would be

wrong to expect an exalted planet to shower lots of 'goodies' on the

native.

>

> I suspect my writing is not very clear - I am still meditating on

these points and studying to find my answeres.

>

> So, please excuse my rambling.

>

> Regards & best wishes,

>

> Shailesh

> -

> P.S. RAMANARAYANAN

>

> Monday, May 12, 2003 8:47 AM

> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

Kendradhipati Dosha

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

>

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Sanjay, Shailesh, Lakshmi and other learned members,

>

> Namaste. i wanted to share whatever i know. i may be corrected

wherever i am wrong.

>

> Is there not a positve side for the 6th and 8th placements? i

believe there is a positive side also. Now let us consider Guru.

Guru is the lord of 9th and 12th of the Kaalpurusha and he excells in

the 4th house. He considers 9th house of the kaalapurusha(Dhanu) as

his office/moolatrikona. Now we are trying to understand his place of

excellence with reference to his home(pisces) and office(Dhanu).

Guru excells in the 5th from his home(Pisces) and with respect to his

office the place of excellence is the 8th from it. Generally it is

believed that the planet placed in 8th destroys/damages the concerned

reference point(lagna). There are some other significations of 8th

also. Eighth also signifies 'PARA GYANA' and house of occult

studies. Ninth house of kaalapurusha represents among all other

significations, Dharma,Guru & father. The 8th from 9th is the 4th

house(Karka) of the kaalapurusha which is the place of exaltation of

Guru. The tatva represented by Dhanu is 'fire' while the tatva

represented by Karka is water. Viewed from Karka it gives an

impression of the Sun rising from the sea while viewing from Dhanu it

gives an impression of Sun entering the bosom of the sea -

"sandhya".We can infer a lot from this;

>

> 1.Institution of Dharma(9th) are closely linked to pure love

oozing out of the hridaya(4th)/heart.

>

> 2.It is the Thirumangalya/Mangal sutra(8th) which brings about

the Dharmic institution - marriage which helps in the

maturity/upgradation of man to father(9th) and woman(4th) to mother.

Srimata Lakshmi resides in the heart of the Lord. There is no

widowhood to those individuals who have identified that the lord is

their 'Purusha'. They will be called as Suhasini/Nithya sumangali.

>

> 3.The Guru(9th) teaches the 8 fold steps to self-

realization.The peak of exaltation rises in the star "Pushya"(king of

all stars) whose presiding deity is Brihaspati.It tantamounts to

identifying the deity within. Is it not a fact that the God sits in

the heart(4th)?

>

> 4.The 'Dhi' is supposed to be in a state of excellence only

when it transcends/dissolves in 'Samadhi'(8th step) which results

when the 'stree/purusha' identification(para gyana) takes place

within. When a persons raises above the deha-atma-buddhi

consciousness and establishes in 'samadhi' (8th) it tantamounts to

discarding the body(lagna).

>

> 5.Srimata holds the agni stambhana mantra. From the Agni lit up

by the Guru in Dhanu Mother comes out with the Amrita which bestows

the native with immortality.When immortality is gained it means

mortality is destroyed.

>

> 6.For those who find Patanjali yoga sutras difficult Mantra

sastra comes handy. Mantra also leads to the same goal. This

explains the reasons for exaltation of Guru in the 5th place from

pisces.

>

> Now let us see Venus. Venus lords the 2nd and the 7th and he

is exalted in the 12th house of Kaalapurusha. Libra is considered by

Venus as his office while Pisces is considered as the place of

exaltation/place where he excells. Seventh speaks about the

relationship. It is the doorstep from where the individual

transacts. Venus has his own house in earthy tatva(materialistic) and

his office in airy(mingling/relations) tatva and his place of

excellence in watery(dissolution of 'I') tatva.

>

> With reference to the 2nd house he excells in the 11th house

from it which brings about gains of associates and friends. This

gain takes place in the house of Guru which makes it ever

increasing/expanding. What does this mean? This means, his

boundaries of his kutumba are annihilated because of his

identification of himself as a member of 'Vasudeva kutumbha'.

>

> With reference to the 7th house he excells in the 6th house

from it. Among other things 6th house placement of lagna lord brings

about the 'dhimantah' yoga. This placement of venus indicates that he

excells in fulfilling the promises of teaching(6th is 10th to 9th

house) the realities of life. As an acharya he helps the students

to obtain 'brahmopadesa'(sani) through upanayana(venus has role to

play as regards 'nayana'/eyes)and teaches him the purport

of 'arghya'/sacrifice(yagyna/Sukla yajurveda) thereby destroying his

primitive state of understanding/approach to life. Venus is exalted

in the star of Revathi whose presiding deity is Pushan(Sun). Is not

Sun dispeller of darkness/Guru? i believe venus has the capabilities

of conferring upon the individual with lot of Siddhis(siddhamata)

because of this unique feature of excelling in the 6th house.

Placement of lord of lagna in 6th indicates self-posed challenges.

If the person concerned is able to win this combat then he truly is a

siddhapurusha.

>

> Happily/happy to be yours,

>

> psramanrayanan

>

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