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Dear Narasimha Ji and list,

While, other people's problem with the commercial version of JH may be the

payment, I have a different concern, which is as follows:

You have mentioned that the commercial version of JH uses Machine ID

for verification of key or codes.

This may be very ideal for your purpose of protecting the software

so that it is not shared amongst friends, etc.

However, some of us [i mean people like me who are in IT industry and

also many I know who are just home users] upgrade our personal computers

almost every 3 months.

This means that if we register, say a particular machine ID with you

today, three months down the road, the software would be useless for us as

we would be going for even faster and better version of either Intel or Intel

Celeron processors as well as different versions of Mother Board itself!

The upgradation time may not necessarily be three months, but judging

at my past upgrade schedule, I have changed the mother boards as well as

the processors at least ONCE in 4 months.

In this case, if I were forced to pay US$185 to you every three or

four months, it would be very expensive for me to own the software, even

though I think it is a masterpiece and a much needed tool for our learning

with all the features and dasas.

Well...

Think about the above. In today's fast processor upgrade environment, I would

hardly figure people would be keeping their old machines beyond ONE YEAR.

And I am speaking on behalf of many in North America, Europe and other developed

countries.

So this is one condition and reason, that those of us who want to buy the

professional version of JH; are currently thinking 10 times before doing

so.

P.s.: I could have send this message as personal email to you. However, I

thought it would be appropriate to put it at our list as this may affect

many people like me. Besides, I think there are many other ways to ensure

that people do not exchange the software between friends even without using

the Machine ID variable in your C++ programming, Microsoft Foundation Classes,

or whatever.

With that...

Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take

care too.

Kind regards and best wishes,

Ron Bach

koppejan (AT) inwind (DOT) it wrote:

I would

ask if is possible to send the order for the software via fax using credit

card instead to send a check because I've had some problems with pay pal,

I have wrote two emal without reply.

Many thanks

Andrea Malvagna

 

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Dearest Narasimha

Indeed this point by Ron is the only reason I have not committed to purchase the

software so far.I wish there could be a better way for both parties to be

satisfied.

I'm no expert in software protection tactics.

So I'll wait till i get a PC that I am sure I will be keeping for a long time.

Best wishes

Kasim

 

>Ron Bach

> >

>Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] JH commercial version - Important >Date:

Tue, 13 May 2003 21:55:11 +0800 > >Dear Narasimha Ji and list, > >While, other

people's problem with the commercial version of JH may >be the payment, I have

a different concern, which is as follows: > > * You have mentioned that the

commercial version of JH uses >Machine > ID for verification of key or codes. *

This may be very >ideal for your purpose of protecting the software > so that it

is not shared amongst friends, etc. * However, >some of us [i mean people like

me who are in IT industry > and also many I know who are just home users]

upgrade our >personal > computers almost every 3 months. * This means that if

we >register, say a particular machine ID with > you today, three months down

the road, the software would be > useless for us as we would be going for even

faster and better > version of either Intel or Intel Celeron processors as well

as > different versions of Mother Board itself! * The >upgradation time may not

necessarily be three months, but > judging at my past upgrade schedule, I have

changed the mother > boards as well as the processors at least ONCE in 4

months. >* In this case, if I were forced to pay US$185 to you every three or >

four months, it would be very expensive for me to own the > software, even

though I think it is a masterpiece and a much > needed tool for our learning

with all the features and dasas. > >Well... > >Think about the above. In

today's fast processor upgrade >environment, I would hardly figure people would

be keeping their old >machines beyond ONE YEAR. And I am speaking on behalf of

many in >North America, Europe and other developed countries. > >So this is one

condition and reason, that those of us who want to >buy the professional version

of JH; are currently thinking 10 times >before doing so. > >P.s.: I could have

send this message as personal email to you. >However, I thought it would be

appropriate to put it at our list as >this may affect many people like me.

Besides, I think there are >many other ways to ensure that people do not

exchange the software >between friends even without using the Machine ID

variable in your >C++ programming, Microsoft Foundation Classes, or whatever. >

>With that... > >Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and

you >all take care too. > >Kind regards and best wishes, > >Ron Bach >

>koppejan (AT) inwind (DOT) it wrote: > >>I would ask if is possible to send the order for

the software via >>fax using credit card instead to send a check because I've

had some >>problems with pay pal, I have wrote two emal without reply. >>

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Dear Ron, Narasimha,

With ParasharaLite v.6 I get new password and have to instal software whenever I

change the machine/3 times so far/

Hope this helps

A.

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Ron Bach

 

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:55 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] JH commercial version - Important

Dear Narasimha Ji and list, While, other people's problem with the commercial

version of JH may be the payment, I have a different concern, which is as

follows:

You have mentioned that the commercial version of JH uses Machine ID for

verification of key or codes. This may be very ideal for your purpose of

protecting the software so that it is not shared amongst friends, etc.

However, some of us [i mean people like me who are in IT industry and also many

I know who are just home users] upgrade our personal computers almost every 3

months. This means that if we register, say a particular machine ID with you

today, three months down the road, the software would be useless for us as we

would be going for even faster and better version of either Intel or Intel

Celeron processors as well as different versions of Mother Board itself! The

upgradation time may not necessarily be three months, but judging at my past

upgrade schedule, I have changed the mother boards as well as the processors at

least ONCE in 4 months. In this case, if I were forced to pay US$185 to you

every three or four months, it would be very expensive for me to own the

software, even though I think it is a masterpiece and a much needed tool for

our learning with all the features and dasas. Well...Think about the above. In

today's fast processor upgrade environment, I would hardly figure people would

be keeping their old machines beyond ONE YEAR. And I am speaking on behalf of

many in North America, Europe and other developed countries. So this is one

condition and reason, that those of us who want to buy the professional version

of JH; are currently thinking 10 times before doing so. P.s.: I could have send

this message as personal email to you. However, I thought it would be

appropriate to put it at our list as this may affect many people like me.

Besides, I think there are many other ways to ensure that people do not

exchange the software between friends even without using the Machine ID

variable in your C++ programming, Microsoft Foundation Classes, or

whatever.With that...Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever

and you all take care too. Kind regards and best wishes, Ron Bach

koppejan (AT) inwind (DOT) it wrote:

I would ask if is possible to send the order for the software via fax using

credit card instead to send a check because I've had some problems with pay

pal, I have wrote two emal without reply. Many thanks Andrea Malvagna[Om Kleem

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Dear Ron

and Group,

 

With

respect to your very legitimate concerns below, different reputable software

vendors have now finally

come up with a few new working solutions to these problems. So I just assumed

that Narasimha and JHora are also

going to implement something similar…(Hope I’m not wrong!

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For

example - Shri Jyoti Star now has

a Members Sign In and Password Verification

(on Andrew’s website) to quickly receive your new ID, Goravani Jyotish has a Code Letter

in a specific area that can be

accessed to quickly receive a new activation, Parashara’s

Light gives your first ID code (based on you machine code) immediately online

(for the newly released

PL6), and a phone number that can be accessed 5 or 6 days a week and is

answered immediately to receive a

new code or a code for your second machine (or you may email them and

they are usually very quick to respond), MagiSoft

requires you to call with your Member Number

and Identification to activate a

code for your new machine, while Solar Fire

5 has full trust and no piracy concerns

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italic">User Name, Serial Code, and Password that works on new

computers also.

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So none of

the reputable vendors (above) requires you to purchase

a new program each time you change machines…hopefully JHora will be the same,

as I already ordered mine without any concerns given to what you have mentioned

– figuring there will be a reasonable way to resolve these issues in JHora

also…Hopefully

I’m right…

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Ron Bach

[humbleshishya (AT) netscape (DOT) net]

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:55

AM

 

Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] JH commercial version - Important

 

Dear

Narasimha Ji and list,

While, other people's problem with the commercial version of JH may be the

payment, I have a different concern, which is as follows:

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verification of key or codes.

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black">This may be very ideal for your purpose of protecting the software so

that it is not shared amongst friends, etc.

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12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext">·

black">However, some of us [i mean people like me who are in IT industry and

also many I know who are just home users] upgrade our personal computers almost

every 3 months.

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black">This means that if we register, say a particular machine ID with you

today, three months down the road, the software would be useless for us as we

would be going for even faster and better version of either Intel or Intel

Celeron processors as well as different versions of Mother Board itself!

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12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext">·

black">The upgradation time may not necessarily be three months, but judging at

my past upgrade schedule, I have changed the mother boards as well as the

processors at least ONCE in 4 months.

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12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext">·

black">In this case, if I were forced to pay US$185 to you every three or four

months, it would be very expensive for me to own the software, even though I

think it is a masterpiece and a much needed tool for our learning with all the

features and dasas.

Well...

Think about the above. In today's fast processor upgrade environment, I would

hardly figure people would be keeping their old machines beyond ONE YEAR. And I

am speaking on behalf of many in North America, Europe and other developed

countries.

So this is one condition and reason, that those of us who want to buy the

professional version of JH; are currently thinking 10 times before doing so.

P.s.: I could have send this message as personal email to you. However, I

thought it would be appropriate to put it at our list as this may affect

many people like me. Besides, I think there are many other ways to ensure

that people do not exchange the software between friends even without using the

Machine ID variable in your C++ programming, Microsoft Foundation Classes, or

whatever.

With that...

Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take care

too.

Kind regards and best wishes,

Ron Bach

koppejan (AT) inwind (DOT) it wrote:

windowtext">

auto;margin-left:1.0in">I would ask if

is possible to send the order for the software via fax using credit card

instead to send a check because I've had some problems with pay pal, I have

wrote two emal without reply.

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Many thanks

Andrea Malvagna

[Om Kleem

Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

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Dear Sandy and Group,

I thank you for your detailed post with mention of all reasonable practices.

I hope you are right. However, after reading your post, and then again re-reading

the initial post about JH commercial software, I would like to quote the

section "An important note:" from the post by Narasimha Ji, dated

May 8, 2003, 11:08 PM as follows:

Quote Begins:

"An important note: This commercial

version uses a license key mechanism to fight piracy. It will run on your

computer only if the license key corresponding to your computer's unique

machine ID is obtained from us and entered into the software. In order to

install the software on multiple machines, you will need to get multiple

license keys from us. So you cannot share this software with your friends."

Quote Ends.

 

Well, while sharing the software with any *friends* would be the last thing

on my mind, my previous post [to which this is a thread and reply] already

clarifies my worry [namely frequent machine upgrades].

Furthermore, the sentence "In order to install the software on multiple machines,

you will need to get multiple license keys from us." already leaves me wondering

whether in future [in case I purchase], what will it require from me to convince

that I *upgraded* my machine and am not just getting another *key* for my

friend?

Of course, I do understand Narasimha Ji's concern and they are genuine. However,

it seems we all need to find a feasible and reasonable solution around this

problem.

Similar to what you have outlined in your post, even I am aware that there

are countless other solutions that do not have to fall back on Machine ID;

while still securing from abuse of Piracy. However, I think at least I will

wait for a reply from Narasimha Ji regarding this issue; prior to my order.

With that...

Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take

care too.

Kind regards and best wishes,

Ron Bach

sandy (AT) toad (DOT) net wrote:

Dear Ron and Group,

 

With respect to your very legitimate concerns

below, different reputable software vendors have now finally come up with a few

new working solutions to these problems. So I just assumed

that Narasimha and JHora are also going to implement something

similar…(Hope I’m not wrong! L)

 

For example - Shri Jyoti Star

now has a Members Sign In and Password Verification (on

Andrew’s website) to quickly receive your new ID, Goravani Jyotish

has a Code Letter in a specific area

that can be accessed to quickly receive a new activation, Parashara’s

Light gives your first ID code (based on you machine code) immediately

online (for the newly released PL6), and a phone number that can be accessed

5 or 6 days a week and is answered immediately to receive

a new code or a code for your second

machine (or you may email them and they are usually very quick to respond),

MagiSoft requires you to call with your Member

Number and Identification to activate a code

for your new machine, while Solar Fire 5 has full trust

and no piracy concerns J and ships (with your order) your User Name, Serial

Code, and Password that works on

new computers also.

 

So none of the reputable vendors (above)

requires you to purchase a new program each time you

change machines…hopefully JHora will be the same, as I already ordered mine

without any concerns given to what you have mentioned – figuring there will

be a reasonable way to resolve these issues in JHora also…Hopefully I’m right…J

 

 

~Namaste~

Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

 

Ron Bach [humbleshishya (AT) netscape (DOT) net]

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:55 AM

 

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] JH commercial version

- Important

 

Dear Narasimha Ji and list,

While, other people's problem with the commercial version of JH may be the

payment, I have a different concern, which is as follows:

· ="> " ·· This may be very ideal for your purpose of

protecting the software

so that it is not shared amongst friends, etc.

· ="> " ·· This means that if we register, say a

particular machine ID with

you today, three months down the road, the software would be useless for

us as we would be going for even faster and better version of either Intel

or Intel Celeron processors as well as different versions of Mother Board

itself!

· ="> " ·· In this case, if I were forced to pay US$185 to

you every three

or four months, it would be very expensive for me to own the software, even

though I think it is a masterpiece and a much needed tool for our learning

with all the features and dasas.

Well...

Think about the above. In today's fast processor upgrade environment, I

would hardly figure people would be keeping their old machines beyond ONE

YEAR. And I am speaking on behalf of many in North America, Europe and other

developed countries.

So this is one condition and reason, that those of us who want to buy the

professional version of JH; are currently thinking 10 times before doing

so.

P.s.: I could have send this message as personal email to you. However,

I thought it would be appropriate to put it at our list as this may affect many

people like me. Besides, I think there are many other ways to ensure that

people do not exchange the software between friends even without using

the Machine ID variable in your C++ programming, Microsoft Foundation Classes,

or whatever.

With that...

Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take

care too.

Kind regards and best wishes,

Ron Bach

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