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dear sarajit,

 

many many thanks for the nice & elaborate mail.

 

The text dictums are very clear. but a question still remains. to illustrate the

KD effect fully - is it sufficient for the benefic planet to own just one

kendra? in case it is so..can it be strengthened to increase its benefic

effects?

 

thanks again

 

jk

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Sarajit Poddar

 

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:36 AM

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Jaya JagannathDear JK Da,

 

Lets see what Parasara says:

keNÔaixpty> saEMya na idziNt zuÉ< )lm!,

³ªra nEva=zuÉ< k…yuR> zuÉdaí iÇkae[pa>. 2.

kendrädhipatayaù saumyä nä diçanti çubhaà phalam |

krürä naivä'çubhaà kuryuù çubhadäçca trikoëapäù || 2||

 

kendrädhipatayaù- lording the Kendra; saumyä- the natural benefics; nä-

not; diçanti- give/ bestow; çubhaà- auspicious; phalam- fruits/ results;

krürä- natural malefics; naivä- neither; açubhaà- inauspicious; kuryuù-

do/give; çubhadäçca- auspicious; trikoëapäù- Trikona lord

 

Benefics, owning Kendras, will not give benefic effects, while malefics, owning

Kendras, will not remain inauspicious. The Lord of a Kon will give auspicious

results. Thus it is important to note that the nature of the planets doesnot

change from benefics to malefics and otherwise. It only says the Benefics lose

its beneficence and malefic lose its maleficence.

 

Now lets see what Parashara further says on the Malefics owing the Kendras in sloka 14 (BPHS)

 

keNÔezTven papana< ya àae´a zuÉkairta,

sa iÇkae[aixpTye=ip n keNÔezTvmaÇt>. 14.

kendreçatvena päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |kendreçatvena

päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |

sä trikoëädhipatye'pi na kendreçatvamätrataù || 14||

 

A malefic doesn’t become auspicious only if it owns a Kendra (It only loses

its maleficence and becomes neutral), it only becomes auspicious if it owns

both Kendra and Kona.

 

 

The Extent of Kendradhipatya Dosa

keNÔaixpTydae;aey> zuÉana< kiwtae ih s>,

cNÔ}guézu³a[a< àblaíaeÄraeÄrm!. 10.

kendrädhipatyadoñoyaù çubhänäà kathito hi saù |

MoonajïaJupiterçukräëäà prabaläçcottarottaram || 10||

 

In obtaining the Kendrashipatya Dosha by benifics owing the Kendra, the

maleficence would increase in the order of Chandra, Guru, Sukra.Here the

Maharishi didn't talk about Mercury, however we can safely assume Mercury to be

list as Mercury menifests its result with association. Thus Mercury can behave

more like a neutral planet than inauspicious one.

 

keNÔezTven papana< ya àae´a zuÉkairta,

sa iÇkae[aixpTye=ip n keNÔezTvmaÇt>. 14.

kendreçatvena päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |kendreçatvena

päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |

sä trikoëädhipatye'pi na kendreçatvamätrataù || 14||

 

A malefic doesn’t become auspicious only if it owns a Kendra, however only

when does it own both Kendra and Trikona, it becomes auspicious.

 

 

Break of Yoga between the Kendra and Kona Lord

keNÔkae[aixpavev papSwanaixpaE yda,

tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>. 15.

kendrakoëädhipäveva päpasthänädhipau yadä |

tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù || 15||

 

If the Lords of a Kendra or a Kona own simultaneously an evil Bhava, he does not

cause a Raja Yoga by mere associations with other Kona or a Kendra lord as

mentioned in slokas 11 and 12.

 

 

The Evil Houses are mentioned by Parasara in the following Sloka (4)

sÃm< dzm< cEv ivze;suomuCyte,

iÇ;fayaixpa> sveR ¢ha> pap)la> Sm&ta>. 4.

saptamaà daçamaà caiva viçeñasukhamucyate |

triñaòäyädhipäù sarve grahäù päpaphaläù småtäù || 4||

 

saptamaà- Seventh; daçamaà- Tenth; caiva-also; viçeñasukhamucyate-

specifically bestows happiness; triñaòäyädhipäù- the lords of Trisadaya

(3/6/11); sarve- all; grahäù- planet; päpaphaläù- malefic results;

småtäù- remeber

 

Seventh and Tenth Bhava are specially for happiness, any Grah, owning Third,

Sixth, or Eleventh Bhava, will give evil results.

 

 

I am giving one part of my articles on various topics. This is on the functional

nature of planets for various lagna. This might clarify some more things. If

anyone wishes to reproduce anywhere please metion the source...

 

 

ARIES LAGNA

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§ Even though Mars is the Lord of Randhr Bhava, he will be helpful to

auspicious Grahas:

 

For Aries, Mars is the Lagna lord and the eighth lord (randhresha). In sloka 6,

Maharishi says that if the randhresha owns any Trisadayas it becomes evil

however if its own a Trikona it gives auspicious results. Here the other

lordship of the Randhresha is a Trikona and thus it gives auspicious results.

 

 

§ Saturn, Mercury and Venus are malefics.

Saturn: Saturn is the lord of the 10th and 11th house. Even though the lordship

of 10th house diminishes the maleficence of Saturn, however Maharishi says in

the sloka 14 that a malefic, owning a Kendra becomes auspicious only when it

simultaneously Lords over a Kona. Mere ownership of a Kendra doesn’t make a

malefic an auspicious planet, although it reduces its maleficence to some

extent. Thus the evil lordship of a Trisadaya shall dominate over the Kendra

lordship and make Saturn an evil planet for this Lagna.

 

Mercury: Mercury owns two Trisadaya houses, the 3rd and 6th and hence the

strongest evil planet for this Lagna.

 

Venus: Venus is the 2nd and the Kendra lord. Now Venus is suffering from the

Kendradhipatya dosha and hence cannot be auspicious for the Lagna unless it

owns a Kona too or associates with a Kona lord. Moreover its lordship of

neutral 2nd house is not of much avail as it will give the results of the

ownership of other house, the 7th. However as compared to other planet, it is

least evil or inauspicious, even if it is a maraka being the lord of two maraka

houses.

 

 

§ Auspicious are Jupiter and Sun.

 

Jupiter: Jupiter lords the 9th and the 12th sign. Being the 9th lord, it is very

auspicious. Now the 12th lord is by nature a neutral and for them all depends on

the lordship of other houses. Thus Jupiter is an auspicious planet for the

Lagna.

 

Sun: Sun lords the trine and such trinal lordship is auspicious, making the Sun

an auspicious planet for the native of Aries Lagna.

 

§ The mere conjunction of Saturn with Jupiter will not produce

auspicious effects.

 

One would have expected a powerful dharmakarmadhipati yoga making high status to

the native as mentioned in the slokas 11 and 12, however this doesn’t happen

here by the conjunction of the 9th lord Jupiter and 10th lord Saturn. Now why

is it so?

 

When we examine carefully, Maharishi says in sloka 15 that, If the Lords of a

Kendra, or a Kona own simultaneously an evil Bhava, he does not cause a Raja

Yoga by mere relations mentioned in the sloka 11 (on association of Kendra and

Kona lords). Here Saturn owns an evil bhava, namely the eleventh. Thus, even if

it owns a Kendra, its association with the Kona lord, Jupiter doesn’t manifest

the Rajayoga.

 

§ If Jupiter is at the disposal of a malefic, he will surely give

inauspicious results.

 

Being the 12th lord, it can be influenced by other planets, thus under the

influence of benefics, it will give auspicious results whereas under the

influence of a malefic the results are quite inauspicious.

 

§ Venus is a direct (independent) killer.

 

In the Marakadhyaya (Ch 44), Maharishi mentions the different grahas that can

act as the marakesh, the predominant among them are the 2nd and the 7th lord.

Here, Venus is the lords of both the maraka sthanas and hence thus can kill

independently and need not be associated with any of the marakesh (killer) to

bring death to the native.

 

§ Saturn etc. will also inflict death, if associated with an adverse

Graha (Venus).

 

In the sloka 9 of the Marakadhyaya, Maharishi says that if Saturn is

ill-disposed and related to a Maraka Graha, he will be the first to kill in

preference to other Grahas. Thus if Saturn joins Venus, its periods (Dasa/

Antar) can bring about death.

 

GEMINI LAGNA

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§ Mars, Jupiter and Sun are malefics

 

Mars: For Gemini Lagna, Mars is the 6th and 11th lord and being the lord of 2

Trisadayas, it is a very strong evil planet for this Lagna.

 

Jupiter: Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord. Here Jupiter is suffering with the

Kendradhipati dosa as it lords two Kendras, however if the same Jupiter

associates with any Kona lord by mutual aspect, exchange or conjunction, it

will give Rajayoga and cease to remain inauspicious for this Lagna.

 

The Sun: Sun is the 3rd lord and as the owner of a Trisadaya sthana, it is

inauspicious for natives with Gemini Lagna.

 

§ Venus is the only auspicious Graha

 

Venus is the lord of 5th and 12th house. As 12th lord it is neutral and

Venus’s beneficence or otherwise shall depend on the ownership of the other

houses, which happens to be the fifth in this case. Now as the fifth lord,

Venus shall be an auspicious planet for the Lagna.

 

§ The conjunction of Jupiter with Saturn is similar to that for Mesh

Lagna.

 

Under the Aries Lagna, Maharishi says “The mere conjunction of Saturn with

Jupiter will not produce auspicious effects.†Let’s see why!

 

One would have expected a powerful dharmakarmadhipati yoga making high status to

the native as mentioned in the slokas 11 and 12, however this doesn’t happen

here by the conjunction of the 9th lord Saturn and 10th lord Jupiter. Now why

is it so?

 

Now unlike the Aries Lagna, where Saturn owned the inauspicious 11th house and

hence didn’t let the yoga happen, here Saturn owns the 8th bhava. Now even

though Maharishi has not mentioned the 8th lord is inauspicious (only Trisadaya

lordship is inauspicious), this is to be understood that 8th lord is the

harbinger of Raja-bhanga yoga, as the karaka for 8th is Saturn and the 8th lord

shall also act like the karaka Saturn. Now, the giver of any raja-yoga is the

Sun as it is the naisargika (natural) king of the horoscope, whereas the

destroyer of the raja-yogas is Saturn as the greatest enemy of the Sun.

 

 

§ Moon is the prime killer, but it is dependant on her association.

 

Moon lords the 2nd house. Maharishi says in the chapter of Maraka, that among

the lords of 7th and 2nd, the 2nd is the stronger Maraka. Here, Maharishi

didn’t mention anything about the 7th lordship of Jupiter and its maraka

power.

 

I will give my article on Maraka later...

 

 

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

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Chandrashekhar

 

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:58 AM

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Dear J.K. Dasgupta,

Your list is correct.About the effects I have already quoted Laghu Parashari

which says Jupiter and Venus are more and more evil as kendradhipati, Budha is

less than Guru and Chandra the least.

Other Gurus might like to comment.

Chandrashekhar.

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:14 PM

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dear chandrashekharji,

 

surely Ve here is not connected to any trikona..and so..if owning one kendra

gives kedradhipatya dosha...it should get the dosa.

 

i have listed various rashis and subsequent benefic planets- which should get

KD, based on the consideration that owning one kendra gives the dosha ..unless

it is connected to trikona or not placed in own house? plz look at the list

whether my understanding about it is correct.

 

Ar- moon (4L)

Ta- none

Ge- Ju (7L & 10L, owns 2 kendras, also functional malefic & badhakesh)

Cn-Ve (4L, also badhakesh)

Le- Ve (10L)

Vi- Ju (4L & 7L, owns 2 kendras, also badhakesh)

Li- Moon (10L)

Sc- Ve (7L, also functinal malefic & maraka)

Sg- Me (7L & 10L, owns 2 kendras, also functional malefic & badhakesh)

Cp- Moon (7L, also maraka)

Aq - none

Pi - Me (4L & 7L, owns 2 kendras, also functional malefic & badhakesh)

 

it can be seen here that for Ta & Aq..no planet gets KD. for Ge, Vi, Sg &

Pi..there is no doubt. for Cn & Cp..the planet which gets KD..also becomes

badhakesh & maraka respectively. so in these cases badhakesh or maraka effect

may be more prominent. for Ar and Li..Moon and for Le .. Ve get KD. i am really

not very sure how far the KD effects of Moon (for Ar & Li asc.) and Ve (for Le

asc.) works.

 

Gurus and other learned members also plz enlighten us about Kendradhipati Dosha.

 

regards

 

jk

 

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Chandrashekhar

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:07 PM

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Dear J. K. Dasgupta,

I think you are missing the point in that in the instant Horoscope Venus is not

a Trikonadhipati.He is also not situate in the Kendra owned by him. Had the

Sages meant a graha owning two kendras, they would have surely said

"Dwikendradhipatya" dosha. Again in Laghuparashari some exception as stated by

the learned astrologers would have certainly been gives.Even owning trikona

does not eliminate Kendradhipatya dosha, but the effect being less powerful

than beneficence gained by being a Kendra Konadhipati nullifies or reduces the

effects.

To my way of thinking Yogakaraka means a planet who is capable of giving rise to

a yoga by its position in Gochari in the relevant Bhava and during its Maha

Antar dasha, though it generally gives benefic results for a particular

ascendant. Of course I could be wrong.

Chandrashekhar.

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:51 AM

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dear chandrashekharji,

 

thanks for the clarification. you wrote "Mercury in saubhagya sthana also

indicates...." - so i thought you mentioned about 9th house. regarding

kedradhipati dosha i am pasting below 2 extract from PVR's article & Gauranga

Das's mail

 

PVR's Article:

Maharshi Parasara taught that a natural benefic may not give good results when

he owns a quadrant 1 . This is generally referred to by astrologers as

"kendradhipati dosha".For a person with Gemini lagna, Mercury is not a

functional malefic though he owns the 4 th house. Parasara made it very clear

that lagna is very auspicious because it is a quadrant as well as a trine. But

Jupiter is a functional malefic because he owns two quadrants – 7 th and 10

th . For a person with Scorpio lagna, Venus is a functional malefic because he

owns the 7 th house. List of

functional malefics for various lagnas can be found in references (1), (2) and (3).

 

An obvious exception to this principle is when the benefic kendradhipati in

question occupies own house – a kendra – giving rise to a mahapurusha yoga.

If Jupiter is in Pisces for a person with Gemini lagna, Jupiter gives Hamsa yoga

and he gives good results. Kendradhipati dosha will not hinder Jupiter from

giving good results. Another exception is when a planet owns a kendra and a

kona. For Capricorn lagna, for example, Venus owns 5 th and 10 th and he is a

yogakaraka. Kendradhipatya is no longer a dosha.

 

Some astrologers give a lot of importance to kendradhipati dosha, while this

author saw some who prefer to take it with a pinch of salt because of their

practical experiences. This author also came across charts in which a planet

with kendradhipati dosha in rasi chart gave excellent results in reality. In

final analysis, this author submits that Parasara is absolutely correct and the

problem is with our understanding of his teachings.

 

Gauranga Das's mail (dt 13.01.02):

The correct name is Kendradhipatya Dosha, i.e. a planet becomes only the lord of

Kendras and no trikonas. The effect of this dosha (fault) is that the Kendras

are Vishnu-sthanas, i.e. provide maintenance, and trikonas are Lakshmi-sthanas,

i.e. provide fortune and expansion. If the two are not connected, then the

effect of the kendras will be limited, as they don't receive any inspiration

from the Trikonas. Like a man without a woman is not inclined to work so hard.

In the above cases 2 and 4, the two kendras included the 1st house as well,

which is actually both a Kendra and a Trikona. So Kendradhipatya Dosha is

removed either by one of the houses being the ascendant, or by the lord of the

houses falling into a Trikona. It's interesting that only Jupiter and Mercury

may fall under this dosha. This means that even those who have bright

intelligence, may be seen as unsuccessful in the material life, because

actually they are not interested in it so much.

 

>From the above..most probably, the benefic planets owning 2 kendras (except if

it becomes lagna lord) and without any connection with trikonos..get this dosa.

to be very frank..with my limited experience - i have seen that such dosha

lessen the benefic effects..it does not make a benefic planet malefic.

 

am i missing something here?

 

regrads

 

jk

 

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Chandrashekhar

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:38 AM

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Dear J.K. Dasgupta,

I shall attempt to give my reasoning on your comments pointwise.

1) About Rahu , it was a typo , what I meant was that Rahu was in debilitation

in Navamsha being in scorpio there(Mataantar).

2) There is no bar like owning two kendras to attract Kendradhipati Dosha for

Shubha Grahas.Please refer to Shloka 10 of Laghu parashari. I am pasting the

same below. It is in shivaji01 font.

10

kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao:

maark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait

Shloka 11 states that Mercury is les evil and Moon even less so. Though Dosha

does mean reduction in good effects you will observe that Guru and Shukra get

mor and more evil nature by being kendradhipati per Laghu Parashari. You will

find Jupiter giving evil effects for Sagitarius and Pisces in many horoscopes,

if he gets slight bad placement or association.

3) I do not use Arudha Lagnas for reasons made clear in many of my posts, But

even if we take this into account Saturn lord of 6th and 7th aspects it. And if

we want to use Jaiminisutras then Rahu in 12th from the Upapada Lagna surely

does not bode well.

4) Mercury is Lord of 2nd and 11th both are maraka places and he is placed in

the 12th with venus.I have surely not said anything about 9th house.

5) Yes elderly husbands could also be indicated.

Aanother thing peculiar in the chart you will observe is that Venus is in

Jupiter's house he in turn is in Mars's house and Mars is in Venus's house. The

chart indicates unusual riches. It could also indicate the lady having few

children if any.

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Monday, April 28, 2003 8:17 PM

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Dear Mr. Chandrashekharji,

 

Thanks for the detailed analysis and comments. i have certain doubts. plz see my

comments below in red.

 

regards

 

jk

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Chandrashekhar

 

Monday, April 28, 2003 1:50 AM

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In the Lady's case Rahu is posited in 7th in debilitation in Saturn's Rasi

 

Rahu is in Aq. Aq is said to be Ra's own rashi..how it can be debltd there?

 

Venus also gets Kendradhipati Dosha and is said to be most malefic amongst

benefic planets getting Kendradhipati Dosha.

 

is it that Ve is getting kendradhipati dosha? Ve is owner of only 10th. as i

understand, this is applicable to a planet-who owns 2 kendras and is not

connected with the trikonas. this may happen only to two planets, to Ju and Me,

because other planets do not own two sings which are in kendras from each other.

 

 

and dosha means a fault. planets getting this dosha will be limited in giving

its results, but will to alter the result.

 

Venus placement in 12th from the Ascendant lord is also not good for marital happiness.

 

yes..this is a good point. but exaulted AK in 12th from exaulted paka...does it show unhappiness?

 

Venus conjunct with Lord of 11th and 2nd , so a strong Maraka. Mercury in

saubhagya sthana also indicates lack of marital happiness.

 

can you give any reference..for the placement of Me in 9th. to be very frank..i

never came accross this rule. in fact i also have this placement in my chart...

 

 

Multiple marriages again are apparent from not only placement of the

Kalatrakaraka but also aspect of Mars on the 12th lord Moon who is exalted in

naeal chart and in own sign in navamsha. Being lord of the house of

bedpleasures, gave her multiple sexpartners.

 

This is also a good point

 

I think Moon being in her 10th she might have married men connected with her

profession. They might have even been men of what is known as Neecha nature or

promiscuous as indicated by Rahu in 7th.

 

or may be persons with lot of age difference. but no data is available in that respect

 

About inheritances through, I think Saturn being lord of 6th and 7th placed in

2nd with Mandi might even indicate that she was exploited by her husbands

rather than otherway round. Though she might have inherited real estates in

their names.

I hope this will be of some help to your group.

Chandrashekhar.

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jk dasgupta

 

Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:46 PM

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Respected learned list members,

 

Our 18th meeting was held on 13.04.03. The same was attended by,

 

1. Anand Sonde

2. Sunil John

3. Dr. ramchandani

4. Aparna Vedula

5. Dasgupta

We had discussion on 1 very interesting female horoscope of multiple marriage

case. The case was mentioned in a local astrological magazine. Chart is

attached herewith in jhl4.1 format. We would request learned members to kindly

comment on the same

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Chart Details:

27.04.1952

15:20pm

Kolhapur, Maharastra

 

Background:

 

The lady had multiple marriages as follows.

 

1. 1st married 1969-husband died in 1991

2. 2nd marriage 1992 - husband died withing 2 months due to heart attack

3. 3rd marriage 1993 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

4. 4th marriage 1994 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

5. 5th marriage 1995 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

6. 6th marriage 1996 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

7. 7th marriage 1997-married with a top govt official, still continuing

 

Doubts:

1. the lady got married 1st time quite early..at the age of 17 years. Ra in 7th

generally delay marriage. So why this lady got married so early? is it due to

placement od DK Ju in 7th in D9?

2. she has Ju and exaulted Su in 2nd from UL. both are benefic for UL..then why

so many breaks and remarriages? is it due to Ke in 7th in D9? another thing

noticeable here..that her DK and UL lord (AL lord also) Ju is in A7 aspected by

strong Ra fro 7th house. and the lady has got Ra in 3rd from AL, aspected by Ma

from 11th from AL.

3. her AK Ve is both exaulted and virgottoma. in rahi Ve is with 2L & 11L Me

(dbltd) in 8th (4th from AL), and in D9..Ve is with D9 lord Ma at 8th from AL.

8th shows inheritence also. Does this have anything to do with many

marriages...and thereby inheritance benefits in any way (exaulted Ve)?

 

Please provide us guidance on the same.

 

Regards

 

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dear sarajit,

 

thanks for enlightening. now it is very clear.

 

jk

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Sarajit Poddar

 

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 7:52 PM

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Jaya JagannathDear JKda,

 

The kendradhipatya dosha only reduces the beneficence of the benefics, however,

they can redeem their lost beneficence by placement in any kona or placement

with a kona. Otherwise it would just be neutral for the native. However, it

will turn inauspicious only when it owns trisadaya houses (3/6/11).

 

However, if a benefic own two Kendras, they become inauspicious. Lets see what

Maharishi Parasara says about owning of two Kendras. Such phenomenon is

possible only with Jup and Merc; so lets see how are they treated for different

lagnas where it can own two kendras:

 

Mercury

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Pisces Lagna: Mercury as 4th and 7th lord: Mercury is inauspicious

Sagittarius Lagna: Mercury as 7th and 10th lord: Maharishi is silent on Mercury.

We can take it to be mildly inauspicious.

 

 

Jupiter:

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Gemini: Jupiter as 7th and 10th lord: Jupiter is considered inauspicious

Virgo: Jupiter as 4th and 7th lord: Jupiter is considered inauspicious

 

 

I have not taken the four lagnas ruled by the planets Jup and Merc as the lagna

lord is always auspicious. However, we see that, the planets become

inauspicious with owing two kendras. So you are pretty correct, if the benefics

own one kendra, then the final nature shall be dependent on the ownership of

other house. They shall really become inauspicious, if they own 3rd, 6th or

11th too.

 

Best WishesSarajit

 

 

 

 

 

 

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:56 PM

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dear sarajit,

 

many many thanks for the nice & elaborate mail.

 

The text dictums are very clear. but a question still remains. to illustrate the

KD effect fully - is it sufficient for the benefic planet to own just one

kendra? in case it is so..can it be strengthened to increase its benefic

effects?

 

thanks again

 

jk

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Sarajit Poddar

 

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:36 AM

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Jaya JagannathDear JK Da,

 

Lets see what Parasara says:

keNÔaixpty> saEMya na idziNt zuÉ< )lm!,

³ªra nEva=zuÉ< k…yuR> zuÉdaí iÇkae[pa>. 2.

kendrädhipatayaù saumyä nä diçanti çubhaà phalam |

krürä naivä'çubhaà kuryuù çubhadäçca trikoëapäù || 2||

 

kendrädhipatayaù- lording the Kendra; saumyä- the natural benefics; nä-

not; diçanti- give/ bestow; çubhaà- auspicious; phalam- fruits/ results;

krürä- natural malefics; naivä- neither; açubhaà- inauspicious; kuryuù-

do/give; çubhadäçca- auspicious; trikoëapäù- Trikona lord

 

Benefics, owning Kendras, will not give benefic effects, while malefics, owning

Kendras, will not remain inauspicious. The Lord of a Kon will give auspicious

results. Thus it is important to note that the nature of the planets doesnot

change from benefics to malefics and otherwise. It only says the Benefics lose

its beneficence and malefic lose its maleficence.

 

Now lets see what Parashara further says on the Malefics owing the Kendras in sloka 14 (BPHS)

 

keNÔezTven papana< ya àae´a zuÉkairta,

sa iÇkae[aixpTye=ip n keNÔezTvmaÇt>. 14.

kendreçatvena päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |kendreçatvena

päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |

sä trikoëädhipatye'pi na kendreçatvamätrataù || 14||

 

A malefic doesn’t become auspicious only if it owns a Kendra (It only loses

its maleficence and becomes neutral), it only becomes auspicious if it owns

both Kendra and Kona.

 

 

The Extent of Kendradhipatya Dosa

keNÔaixpTydae;aey> zuÉana< kiwtae ih s>,

cNÔ}guézu³a[a< àblaíaeÄraeÄrm!. 10.

kendrädhipatyadoñoyaù çubhänäà kathito hi saù |

MoonajïaJupiterçukräëäà prabaläçcottarottaram || 10||

 

In obtaining the Kendrashipatya Dosha by benifics owing the Kendra, the

maleficence would increase in the order of Chandra, Guru, Sukra.Here the

Maharishi didn't talk about Mercury, however we can safely assume Mercury to be

list as Mercury menifests its result with association. Thus Mercury can behave

more like a neutral planet than inauspicious one.

 

keNÔezTven papana< ya àae´a zuÉkairta,

sa iÇkae[aixpTye=ip n keNÔezTvmaÇt>. 14.

kendreçatvena päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |kendreçatvena

päpänäà yä proktä çubhakäritä |

sä trikoëädhipatye'pi na kendreçatvamätrataù || 14||

 

A malefic doesn’t become auspicious only if it owns a Kendra, however only

when does it own both Kendra and Trikona, it becomes auspicious.

 

 

Break of Yoga between the Kendra and Kona Lord

keNÔkae[aixpavev papSwanaixpaE yda,

tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>. 15.

kendrakoëädhipäveva päpasthänädhipau yadä |

tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù || 15||

 

If the Lords of a Kendra or a Kona own simultaneously an evil Bhava, he does not

cause a Raja Yoga by mere associations with other Kona or a Kendra lord as

mentioned in slokas 11 and 12.

 

 

The Evil Houses are mentioned by Parasara in the following Sloka (4)

sÃm< dzm< cEv ivze;suomuCyte,

iÇ;fayaixpa> sveR ¢ha> pap)la> Sm&ta>. 4.

saptamaà daçamaà caiva viçeñasukhamucyate |

triñaòäyädhipäù sarve grahäù päpaphaläù småtäù || 4||

 

saptamaà- Seventh; daçamaà- Tenth; caiva-also; viçeñasukhamucyate-

specifically bestows happiness; triñaòäyädhipäù- the lords of Trisadaya

(3/6/11); sarve- all; grahäù- planet; päpaphaläù- malefic results;

småtäù- remeber

 

Seventh and Tenth Bhava are specially for happiness, any Grah, owning Third,

Sixth, or Eleventh Bhava, will give evil results.

 

 

I am giving one part of my articles on various topics. This is on the functional

nature of planets for various lagna. This might clarify some more things. If

anyone wishes to reproduce anywhere please metion the source...

 

 

ARIES LAGNA

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§ Even though Mars is the Lord of Randhr Bhava, he will be helpful to

auspicious Grahas:

 

For Aries, Mars is the Lagna lord and the eighth lord (randhresha). In sloka 6,

Maharishi says that if the randhresha owns any Trisadayas it becomes evil

however if its own a Trikona it gives auspicious results. Here the other

lordship of the Randhresha is a Trikona and thus it gives auspicious results.

 

 

§ Saturn, Mercury and Venus are malefics.

Saturn: Saturn is the lord of the 10th and 11th house. Even though the lordship

of 10th house diminishes the maleficence of Saturn, however Maharishi says in

the sloka 14 that a malefic, owning a Kendra becomes auspicious only when it

simultaneously Lords over a Kona. Mere ownership of a Kendra doesn’t make a

malefic an auspicious planet, although it reduces its maleficence to some

extent. Thus the evil lordship of a Trisadaya shall dominate over the Kendra

lordship and make Saturn an evil planet for this Lagna.

 

Mercury: Mercury owns two Trisadaya houses, the 3rd and 6th and hence the

strongest evil planet for this Lagna.

 

Venus: Venus is the 2nd and the Kendra lord. Now Venus is suffering from the

Kendradhipatya dosha and hence cannot be auspicious for the Lagna unless it

owns a Kona too or associates with a Kona lord. Moreover its lordship of

neutral 2nd house is not of much avail as it will give the results of the

ownership of other house, the 7th. However as compared to other planet, it is

least evil or inauspicious, even if it is a maraka being the lord of two maraka

houses.

 

 

§ Auspicious are Jupiter and Sun.

 

Jupiter: Jupiter lords the 9th and the 12th sign. Being the 9th lord, it is very

auspicious. Now the 12th lord is by nature a neutral and for them all depends on

the lordship of other houses. Thus Jupiter is an auspicious planet for the

Lagna.

 

Sun: Sun lords the trine and such trinal lordship is auspicious, making the Sun

an auspicious planet for the native of Aries Lagna.

 

§ The mere conjunction of Saturn with Jupiter will not produce

auspicious effects.

 

One would have expected a powerful dharmakarmadhipati yoga making high status to

the native as mentioned in the slokas 11 and 12, however this doesn’t happen

here by the conjunction of the 9th lord Jupiter and 10th lord Saturn. Now why

is it so?

 

When we examine carefully, Maharishi says in sloka 15 that, If the Lords of a

Kendra, or a Kona own simultaneously an evil Bhava, he does not cause a Raja

Yoga by mere relations mentioned in the sloka 11 (on association of Kendra and

Kona lords). Here Saturn owns an evil bhava, namely the eleventh. Thus, even if

it owns a Kendra, its association with the Kona lord, Jupiter doesn’t manifest

the Rajayoga.

 

§ If Jupiter is at the disposal of a malefic, he will surely give

inauspicious results.

 

Being the 12th lord, it can be influenced by other planets, thus under the

influence of benefics, it will give auspicious results whereas under the

influence of a malefic the results are quite inauspicious.

 

§ Venus is a direct (independent) killer.

 

In the Marakadhyaya (Ch 44), Maharishi mentions the different grahas that can

act as the marakesh, the predominant among them are the 2nd and the 7th lord.

Here, Venus is the lords of both the maraka sthanas and hence thus can kill

independently and need not be associated with any of the marakesh (killer) to

bring death to the native.

 

§ Saturn etc. will also inflict death, if associated with an adverse

Graha (Venus).

 

In the sloka 9 of the Marakadhyaya, Maharishi says that if Saturn is

ill-disposed and related to a Maraka Graha, he will be the first to kill in

preference to other Grahas. Thus if Saturn joins Venus, its periods (Dasa/

Antar) can bring about death.

 

GEMINI LAGNA

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§ Mars, Jupiter and Sun are malefics

 

Mars: For Gemini Lagna, Mars is the 6th and 11th lord and being the lord of 2

Trisadayas, it is a very strong evil planet for this Lagna.

 

Jupiter: Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord. Here Jupiter is suffering with the

Kendradhipati dosa as it lords two Kendras, however if the same Jupiter

associates with any Kona lord by mutual aspect, exchange or conjunction, it

will give Rajayoga and cease to remain inauspicious for this Lagna.

 

The Sun: Sun is the 3rd lord and as the owner of a Trisadaya sthana, it is

inauspicious for natives with Gemini Lagna.

 

§ Venus is the only auspicious Graha

 

Venus is the lord of 5th and 12th house. As 12th lord it is neutral and

Venus’s beneficence or otherwise shall depend on the ownership of the other

houses, which happens to be the fifth in this case. Now as the fifth lord,

Venus shall be an auspicious planet for the Lagna.

 

§ The conjunction of Jupiter with Saturn is similar to that for Mesh

Lagna.

 

Under the Aries Lagna, Maharishi says “The mere conjunction of Saturn with

Jupiter will not produce auspicious effects.†Let’s see why!

 

One would have expected a powerful dharmakarmadhipati yoga making high status to

the native as mentioned in the slokas 11 and 12, however this doesn’t happen

here by the conjunction of the 9th lord Saturn and 10th lord Jupiter. Now why

is it so?

 

Now unlike the Aries Lagna, where Saturn owned the inauspicious 11th house and

hence didn’t let the yoga happen, here Saturn owns the 8th bhava. Now even

though Maharishi has not mentioned the 8th lord is inauspicious (only Trisadaya

lordship is inauspicious), this is to be understood that 8th lord is the

harbinger of Raja-bhanga yoga, as the karaka for 8th is Saturn and the 8th lord

shall also act like the karaka Saturn. Now, the giver of any raja-yoga is the

Sun as it is the naisargika (natural) king of the horoscope, whereas the

destroyer of the raja-yogas is Saturn as the greatest enemy of the Sun.

 

 

§ Moon is the prime killer, but it is dependant on her association.

 

Moon lords the 2nd house. Maharishi says in the chapter of Maraka, that among

the lords of 7th and 2nd, the 2nd is the stronger Maraka. Here, Maharishi

didn’t mention anything about the 7th lordship of Jupiter and its maraka

power.

 

I will give my article on Maraka later...

 

 

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

-

Chandrashekhar

 

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:58 AM

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Dear J.K. Dasgupta,

Your list is correct.About the effects I have already quoted Laghu Parashari

which says Jupiter and Venus are more and more evil as kendradhipati, Budha is

less than Guru and Chandra the least.

Other Gurus might like to comment.

Chandrashekhar.

-

j.k. dasgupta

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:14 PM

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dear chandrashekharji,

 

surely Ve here is not connected to any trikona..and so..if owning one kendra

gives kedradhipatya dosha...it should get the dosa.

 

i have listed various rashis and subsequent benefic planets- which should get

KD, based on the consideration that owning one kendra gives the dosha ..unless

it is connected to trikona or not placed in own house? plz look at the list

whether my understanding about it is correct.

 

Ar- moon (4L)

Ta- none

Ge- Ju (7L & 10L, owns 2 kendras, also functional malefic & badhakesh)

Cn-Ve (4L, also badhakesh)

Le- Ve (10L)

Vi- Ju (4L & 7L, owns 2 kendras, also badhakesh)

Li- Moon (10L)

Sc- Ve (7L, also functinal malefic & maraka)

Sg- Me (7L & 10L, owns 2 kendras, also functional malefic & badhakesh)

Cp- Moon (7L, also maraka)

Aq - none

Pi - Me (4L & 7L, owns 2 kendras, also functional malefic & badhakesh)

 

it can be seen here that for Ta & Aq..no planet gets KD. for Ge, Vi, Sg &

Pi..there is no doubt. for Cn & Cp..the planet which gets KD..also becomes

badhakesh & maraka respectively. so in these cases badhakesh or maraka effect

may be more prominent. for Ar and Li..Moon and for Le .. Ve get KD. i am really

not very sure how far the KD effects of Moon (for Ar & Li asc.) and Ve (for Le

asc.) works.

 

Gurus and other learned members also plz enlighten us about Kendradhipati Dosha.

 

regards

 

jk

 

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Chandrashekhar

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:07 PM

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Dear J. K. Dasgupta,

I think you are missing the point in that in the instant Horoscope Venus is not

a Trikonadhipati.He is also not situate in the Kendra owned by him. Had the

Sages meant a graha owning two kendras, they would have surely said

"Dwikendradhipatya" dosha. Again in Laghuparashari some exception as stated by

the learned astrologers would have certainly been gives.Even owning trikona

does not eliminate Kendradhipatya dosha, but the effect being less powerful

than beneficence gained by being a Kendra Konadhipati nullifies or reduces the

effects.

To my way of thinking Yogakaraka means a planet who is capable of giving rise to

a yoga by its position in Gochari in the relevant Bhava and during its Maha

Antar dasha, though it generally gives benefic results for a particular

ascendant. Of course I could be wrong.

Chandrashekhar.

-

j.k. dasgupta

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:51 AM

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dear chandrashekharji,

 

thanks for the clarification. you wrote "Mercury in saubhagya sthana also

indicates...." - so i thought you mentioned about 9th house. regarding

kedradhipati dosha i am pasting below 2 extract from PVR's article & Gauranga

Das's mail

 

PVR's Article:

Maharshi Parasara taught that a natural benefic may not give good results when

he owns a quadrant 1 . This is generally referred to by astrologers as

"kendradhipati dosha".For a person with Gemini lagna, Mercury is not a

functional malefic though he owns the 4 th house. Parasara made it very clear

that lagna is very auspicious because it is a quadrant as well as a trine. But

Jupiter is a functional malefic because he owns two quadrants – 7 th and 10

th . For a person with Scorpio lagna, Venus is a functional malefic because he

owns the 7 th house. List of

functional malefics for various lagnas can be found in references (1), (2) and (3).

 

An obvious exception to this principle is when the benefic kendradhipati in

question occupies own house – a kendra – giving rise to a mahapurusha yoga.

If Jupiter is in Pisces for a person with Gemini lagna, Jupiter gives Hamsa yoga

and he gives good results. Kendradhipati dosha will not hinder Jupiter from

giving good results. Another exception is when a planet owns a kendra and a

kona. For Capricorn lagna, for example, Venus owns 5 th and 10 th and he is a

yogakaraka. Kendradhipatya is no longer a dosha.

 

Some astrologers give a lot of importance to kendradhipati dosha, while this

author saw some who prefer to take it with a pinch of salt because of their

practical experiences. This author also came across charts in which a planet

with kendradhipati dosha in rasi chart gave excellent results in reality. In

final analysis, this author submits that Parasara is absolutely correct and the

problem is with our understanding of his teachings.

 

Gauranga Das's mail (dt 13.01.02):

The correct name is Kendradhipatya Dosha, i.e. a planet becomes only the lord of

Kendras and no trikonas. The effect of this dosha (fault) is that the Kendras

are Vishnu-sthanas, i.e. provide maintenance, and trikonas are Lakshmi-sthanas,

i.e. provide fortune and expansion. If the two are not connected, then the

effect of the kendras will be limited, as they don't receive any inspiration

from the Trikonas. Like a man without a woman is not inclined to work so hard.

In the above cases 2 and 4, the two kendras included the 1st house as well,

which is actually both a Kendra and a Trikona. So Kendradhipatya Dosha is

removed either by one of the houses being the ascendant, or by the lord of the

houses falling into a Trikona. It's interesting that only Jupiter and Mercury

may fall under this dosha. This means that even those who have bright

intelligence, may be seen as unsuccessful in the material life, because

actually they are not interested in it so much.

 

>From the above..most probably, the benefic planets owning 2 kendras (except if

it becomes lagna lord) and without any connection with trikonos..get this dosa.

to be very frank..with my limited experience - i have seen that such dosha

lessen the benefic effects..it does not make a benefic planet malefic.

 

am i missing something here?

 

regrads

 

jk

 

-

Chandrashekhar

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:38 AM

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Dear J.K. Dasgupta,

I shall attempt to give my reasoning on your comments pointwise.

1) About Rahu , it was a typo , what I meant was that Rahu was in debilitation

in Navamsha being in scorpio there(Mataantar).

2) There is no bar like owning two kendras to attract Kendradhipati Dosha for

Shubha Grahas.Please refer to Shloka 10 of Laghu parashari. I am pasting the

same below. It is in shivaji01 font.

10

kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao:

maark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait

Shloka 11 states that Mercury is les evil and Moon even less so. Though Dosha

does mean reduction in good effects you will observe that Guru and Shukra get

mor and more evil nature by being kendradhipati per Laghu Parashari. You will

find Jupiter giving evil effects for Sagitarius and Pisces in many horoscopes,

if he gets slight bad placement or association.

3) I do not use Arudha Lagnas for reasons made clear in many of my posts, But

even if we take this into account Saturn lord of 6th and 7th aspects it. And if

we want to use Jaiminisutras then Rahu in 12th from the Upapada Lagna surely

does not bode well.

4) Mercury is Lord of 2nd and 11th both are maraka places and he is placed in

the 12th with venus.I have surely not said anything about 9th house.

5) Yes elderly husbands could also be indicated.

Aanother thing peculiar in the chart you will observe is that Venus is in

Jupiter's house he in turn is in Mars's house and Mars is in Venus's house. The

chart indicates unusual riches. It could also indicate the lady having few

children if any.

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Monday, April 28, 2003 8:17 PM

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Dear Mr. Chandrashekharji,

 

Thanks for the detailed analysis and comments. i have certain doubts. plz see my

comments below in red.

 

regards

 

jk

-

Chandrashekhar

 

Monday, April 28, 2003 1:50 AM

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In the Lady's case Rahu is posited in 7th in debilitation in Saturn's Rasi

 

Rahu is in Aq. Aq is said to be Ra's own rashi..how it can be debltd there?

 

Venus also gets Kendradhipati Dosha and is said to be most malefic amongst

benefic planets getting Kendradhipati Dosha.

 

is it that Ve is getting kendradhipati dosha? Ve is owner of only 10th. as i

understand, this is applicable to a planet-who owns 2 kendras and is not

connected with the trikonas. this may happen only to two planets, to Ju and Me,

because other planets do not own two sings which are in kendras from each other.

 

 

and dosha means a fault. planets getting this dosha will be limited in giving

its results, but will to alter the result.

 

Venus placement in 12th from the Ascendant lord is also not good for marital happiness.

 

yes..this is a good point. but exaulted AK in 12th from exaulted paka...does it show unhappiness?

 

Venus conjunct with Lord of 11th and 2nd , so a strong Maraka. Mercury in

saubhagya sthana also indicates lack of marital happiness.

 

can you give any reference..for the placement of Me in 9th. to be very frank..i

never came accross this rule. in fact i also have this placement in my chart...

 

 

Multiple marriages again are apparent from not only placement of the

Kalatrakaraka but also aspect of Mars on the 12th lord Moon who is exalted in

naeal chart and in own sign in navamsha. Being lord of the house of

bedpleasures, gave her multiple sexpartners.

 

This is also a good point

 

I think Moon being in her 10th she might have married men connected with her

profession. They might have even been men of what is known as Neecha nature or

promiscuous as indicated by Rahu in 7th.

 

or may be persons with lot of age difference. but no data is available in that respect

 

About inheritances through, I think Saturn being lord of 6th and 7th placed in

2nd with Mandi might even indicate that she was exploited by her husbands

rather than otherway round. Though she might have inherited real estates in

their names.

I hope this will be of some help to your group.

Chandrashekhar.

-

jk dasgupta

 

Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:46 PM

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Respected learned list members,

 

Our 18th meeting was held on 13.04.03. The same was attended by,

 

1. Anand Sonde

2. Sunil John

3. Dr. ramchandani

4. Aparna Vedula

5. Dasgupta

We had discussion on 1 very interesting female horoscope of multiple marriage

case. The case was mentioned in a local astrological magazine. Chart is

attached herewith in jhl4.1 format. We would request learned members to kindly

comment on the same

===============================================

Chart Details:

27.04.1952

15:20pm

Kolhapur, Maharastra

 

Background:

 

The lady had multiple marriages as follows.

 

1. 1st married 1969-husband died in 1991

2. 2nd marriage 1992 - husband died withing 2 months due to heart attack

3. 3rd marriage 1993 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

4. 4th marriage 1994 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

5. 5th marriage 1995 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

6. 6th marriage 1996 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

7. 7th marriage 1997-married with a top govt official, still continuing

 

Doubts:

1. the lady got married 1st time quite early..at the age of 17 years. Ra in 7th

generally delay marriage. So why this lady got married so early? is it due to

placement od DK Ju in 7th in D9?

2. she has Ju and exaulted Su in 2nd from UL. both are benefic for UL..then why

so many breaks and remarriages? is it due to Ke in 7th in D9? another thing

noticeable here..that her DK and UL lord (AL lord also) Ju is in A7 aspected by

strong Ra fro 7th house. and the lady has got Ra in 3rd from AL, aspected by Ma

from 11th from AL.

3. her AK Ve is both exaulted and virgottoma. in rahi Ve is with 2L & 11L Me

(dbltd) in 8th (4th from AL), and in D9..Ve is with D9 lord Ma at 8th from AL.

8th shows inheritence also. Does this have anything to do with many

marriages...and thereby inheritance benefits in any way (exaulted Ve)?

 

Please provide us guidance on the same.

 

Regards

 

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