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Dear J. K. Dasgupta,

I think you are missing the point in that in the instant Horoscope Venus is not

a Trikonadhipati.He is also not situate in the Kendra owned by him. Had the

Sages meant a graha owning two kendras, they would have surely said

"Dwikendradhipatya" dosha. Again in Laghuparashari some exception as stated by

the learned astrologers would have certainly been gives.Even owning trikona

does not eliminate Kendradhipatya dosha, but the effect being less powerful

than beneficence gained by being a Kendra Konadhipati nullifies or reduces the

effects.

To my way of thinking Yogakaraka means a planet who is capable of giving rise to

a yoga by its position in Gochari in the relevant Bhava and during its Maha

Antar dasha, though it generally gives benefic results for a particular

ascendant. Of course I could be wrong.

Chandrashekhar.

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:51 AM

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dear chandrashekharji,

 

thanks for the clarification. you wrote "Mercury in saubhagya sthana also

indicates...." - so i thought you mentioned about 9th house. regarding

kedradhipati dosha i am pasting below 2 extract from PVR's article & Gauranga

Das's mail

 

PVR's Article:

Maharshi Parasara taught that a natural benefic may not give good results when

he owns a quadrant 1 . This is generally referred to by astrologers as

"kendradhipati dosha".For a person with Gemini lagna, Mercury is not a

functional malefic though he owns the 4 th house. Parasara made it very clear

that lagna is very auspicious because it is a quadrant as well as a trine. But

Jupiter is a functional malefic because he owns two quadrants – 7 th and 10

th . For a person with Scorpio lagna, Venus is a functional malefic because he

owns the 7 th house. List of

functional malefics for various lagnas can be found in references (1), (2) and (3).

 

An obvious exception to this principle is when the benefic kendradhipati in

question occupies own house – a kendra – giving rise to a mahapurusha yoga.

If Jupiter is in Pisces for a person with Gemini lagna, Jupiter gives Hamsa yoga

and he gives good results. Kendradhipati dosha will not hinder Jupiter from

giving good results. Another exception is when a planet owns a kendra and a

kona. For Capricorn lagna, for example, Venus owns 5 th and 10 th and he is a

yogakaraka. Kendradhipatya is no longer a dosha.

 

Some astrologers give a lot of importance to kendradhipati dosha, while this

author saw some who prefer to take it with a pinch of salt because of their

practical experiences. This author also came across charts in which a planet

with kendradhipati dosha in rasi chart gave excellent results in reality. In

final analysis, this author submits that Parasara is absolutely correct and the

problem is with our understanding of his teachings.

 

Gauranga Das's mail (dt 13.01.02):

The correct name is Kendradhipatya Dosha, i.e. a planet becomes only the lord of

Kendras and no trikonas. The effect of this dosha (fault) is that the Kendras

are Vishnu-sthanas, i.e. provide maintenance, and trikonas are Lakshmi-sthanas,

i.e. provide fortune and expansion. If the two are not connected, then the

effect of the kendras will be limited, as they don't receive any inspiration

from the Trikonas. Like a man without a woman is not inclined to work so hard.

In the above cases 2 and 4, the two kendras included the 1st house as well,

which is actually both a Kendra and a Trikona. So Kendradhipatya Dosha is

removed either by one of the houses being the ascendant, or by the lord of the

houses falling into a Trikona. It's interesting that only Jupiter and Mercury

may fall under this dosha. This means that even those who have bright

intelligence, may be seen as unsuccessful in the material life, because

actually they are not interested in it so much.

 

>From the above..most probably, the benefic planets owning 2 kendras (except if

it becomes lagna lord) and without any connection with trikonos..get this dosa.

to be very frank..with my limited experience - i have seen that such dosha

lessen the benefic effects..it does not make a benefic planet malefic.

 

am i missing something here?

 

regrads

 

jk

 

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Chandrashekhar

 

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:38 AM

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Dear J.K. Dasgupta,

I shall attempt to give my reasoning on your comments pointwise.

1) About Rahu , it was a typo , what I meant was that Rahu was in debilitation

in Navamsha being in scorpio there(Mataantar).

2) There is no bar like owning two kendras to attract Kendradhipati Dosha for

Shubha Grahas.Please refer to Shloka 10 of Laghu parashari. I am pasting the

same below. It is in shivaji01 font.

10

kond`aiQap%yadaoYastu balavaana\ gau$Sau `kyaao:

maark%vao|ip ca tyaaomaa-rksqaanasaMisqait

Shloka 11 states that Mercury is les evil and Moon even less so. Though Dosha

does mean reduction in good effects you will observe that Guru and Shukra get

mor and more evil nature by being kendradhipati per Laghu Parashari. You will

find Jupiter giving evil effects for Sagitarius and Pisces in many horoscopes,

if he gets slight bad placement or association.

3) I do not use Arudha Lagnas for reasons made clear in many of my posts, But

even if we take this into account Saturn lord of 6th and 7th aspects it. And if

we want to use Jaiminisutras then Rahu in 12th from the Upapada Lagna surely

does not bode well.

4) Mercury is Lord of 2nd and 11th both are maraka places and he is placed in

the 12th with venus.I have surely not said anything about 9th house.

5) Yes elderly husbands could also be indicated.

Aanother thing peculiar in the chart you will observe is that Venus is in

Jupiter's house he in turn is in Mars's house and Mars is in Venus's house. The

chart indicates unusual riches. It could also indicate the lady having few

children if any.

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Monday, April 28, 2003 8:17 PM

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Dear Mr. Chandrashekharji,

 

Thanks for the detailed analysis and comments. i have certain doubts. plz see my

comments below in red.

 

regards

 

jk

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Chandrashekhar

 

Monday, April 28, 2003 1:50 AM

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In the Lady's case Rahu is posited in 7th in debilitation in Saturn's Rasi

 

Rahu is in Aq. Aq is said to be Ra's own rashi..how it can be debltd there?

 

Venus also gets Kendradhipati Dosha and is said to be most malefic amongst

benefic planets getting Kendradhipati Dosha.

 

is it that Ve is getting kendradhipati dosha? Ve is owner of only 10th. as i

understand, this is applicable to a planet-who owns 2 kendras and is not

connected with the trikonas. this may happen only to two planets, to Ju and Me,

because other planets do not own two sings which are in kendras from each other.

 

 

and dosha means a fault. planets getting this dosha will be limited in giving

its results, but will to alter the result.

 

Venus placement in 12th from the Ascendant lord is also not good for marital happiness.

 

yes..this is a good point. but exaulted AK in 12th from exaulted paka...does it show unhappiness?

 

Venus conjunct with Lord of 11th and 2nd , so a strong Maraka. Mercury in

saubhagya sthana also indicates lack of marital happiness.

 

can you give any reference..for the placement of Me in 9th. to be very frank..i

never came accross this rule. in fact i also have this placement in my chart...

 

 

Multiple marriages again are apparent from not only placement of the

Kalatrakaraka but also aspect of Mars on the 12th lord Moon who is exalted in

naeal chart and in own sign in navamsha. Being lord of the house of

bedpleasures, gave her multiple sexpartners.

 

This is also a good point

 

I think Moon being in her 10th she might have married men connected with her

profession. They might have even been men of what is known as Neecha nature or

promiscuous as indicated by Rahu in 7th.

 

or may be persons with lot of age difference. but no data is available in that respect

 

About inheritances through, I think Saturn being lord of 6th and 7th placed in

2nd with Mandi might even indicate that she was exploited by her husbands

rather than otherway round. Though she might have inherited real estates in

their names.

I hope this will be of some help to your group.

Chandrashekhar.

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jk dasgupta

 

Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:46 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] 18th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Respected learned list members,

 

Our 18th meeting was held on 13.04.03. The same was attended by,

 

1. Anand Sonde

2. Sunil John

3. Dr. ramchandani

4. Aparna Vedula

5. Dasgupta

We had discussion on 1 very interesting female horoscope of multiple marriage

case. The case was mentioned in a local astrological magazine. Chart is

attached herewith in jhl4.1 format. We would request learned members to kindly

comment on the same

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Chart Details:

27.04.1952

15:20pm

Kolhapur, Maharastra

 

Background:

 

The lady had multiple marriages as follows.

 

1. 1st married 1969-husband died in 1991

2. 2nd marriage 1992 - husband died withing 2 months due to heart attack

3. 3rd marriage 1993 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

4. 4th marriage 1994 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

5. 5th marriage 1995 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

6. 6th marriage 1996 - whether husband died or it was a divorce, not known

7. 7th marriage 1997-married with a top govt official, still continuing

 

Doubts:

1. the lady got married 1st time quite early..at the age of 17 years. Ra in 7th

generally delay marriage. So why this lady got married so early? is it due to

placement od DK Ju in 7th in D9?

2. she has Ju and exaulted Su in 2nd from UL. both are benefic for UL..then why

so many breaks and remarriages? is it due to Ke in 7th in D9? another thing

noticeable here..that her DK and UL lord (AL lord also) Ju is in A7 aspected by

strong Ra fro 7th house. and the lady has got Ra in 3rd from AL, aspected by Ma

from 11th from AL.

3. her AK Ve is both exaulted and virgottoma. in rahi Ve is with 2L & 11L Me

(dbltd) in 8th (4th from AL), and in D9..Ve is with D9 lord Ma at 8th from AL.

8th shows inheritence also. Does this have anything to do with many

marriages...and thereby inheritance benefits in any way (exaulted Ve)?

 

Please provide us guidance on the same.

 

Regards

 

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