Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Prashant, I am missing the Delhi Group discussions. Anyway, my comments are as follows: Best Wishes Sarajit - prashant narang Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:08 AM [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] sjc delhi meet Hi all, There was a sjc delhi meeting yesterday , and the topic was “upapada”. There were 5 students, sarbani, rohini ji, saroj ji, suneet ji, & myself prashant. We discussed 3-4 charts, analysed their married life , mutual compatibility, tried to time separation & next marriage. A few points that we discussed. planets in upapada will show the kind of spouse, there was rahu in one of the examples, which indicated lower qualities of spouse. Another person had mercury in upapada, his spouse is creative . Sarajit: While this is true, the influence of Rahu show that the spouse can be of different culture. Along with this, do check up the aspects on the UL. With Kind of Spouse, you meant, the "Nature and Qualities of the Spouse", I guess. Didn't you check, where is UL placed wrt the lagna of the native. This has manything to say on the role of spouse in the life of the native and few more things. Lord of upapada: its strength & location . it shouldn’t b e in 8 house, if in 9th house as it was in one of the examples, then wife will be religious. Sarajit: Lord of the Spouse has many things to say about the family of the Spouse. If the lord is deb/ exalted then the family will be a poor/ well to do family. The relationship of the Lord with the UL shall show, the relationship of the spouse with the family. If the lord of UL is in the 9th from the Lagna, there would be very condusive relationship of the spouse family with the native. Wife would be religious if religious planets apects or placed in the UL... Do consider AL as well... >From 2nd house , we see longevity of marriage. Ju, mo, sun are considered to be good for marriage longevity. In one of the examples there was no planet in 2nd from up, its lord was retrograde, the house was aspected by a malefic, but the lord was aspected by a benefic. Sarajit: Among Malefics, Rahu is the most diabolical as it can eclipse both Jup or Sun. It is aspecting or associating with the 2nd from UL without any benefic influence, then there is danger to married life. We tried to time divorce in a case by transit of malefics & jupitor , their aspect on 2nd from up. Sarajit: Transit Jup's aspect on 2nd from UL, shall make the bond stronger and will not give divorce. There were some doubts. *If someone is not happy with the marriage , then their divorce will be caused by malefics or transit of benefics? Sarajit: Transiting benefics would not cause divorce. we coulnd’t find spouse’s lagna in one of the charts from trines of ul, nor 7th from it , or the sign its lord is in (as per COVA which we were following) .. Sarajit: In such cases, the relationship will not be harmonious. In such charts look for affliction to 2nd from UL. If there were influence of Benefics on the 2nd from UL, then ultimately the native gets one spouse, whose Lagna shall fall in trine to his/ her own UL. Along with trine, check the 7th from UL and Paka Upapada Lagna. What about benefics which are functional malefics, lord of 8th house in context to 2nd from up. Sarajit: Take the Natural Benefics and Malefics only in this context. with regards prashant Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]Send a blank mailTo : -To : Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 Dear Suneet, I just went through your chart for learning purposes. Just had a query. Did u marry in year 2000/Jan. I would say 14th thru 27th Jan 2000. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , "Kumar, Suneet" <skumar03@e...> wrote: > OM HREEM GAM HREEM GAM GANPATYE NAMAH ! > > Namaskar, > I am Suneet, from Delhi-SJC Group. > I am attaching mine and my wife's chart for the lagna of my wife not > matching to the UL or trines to UL of 7th House to UL or its lord placed in > house in my chart. Plz have a look on that and enlighten our knowledge. > > Also as Jupiter is now direct from 4th Apr and Sat also entering in Ge today > (8th Apr). I think this will be somebit doin some harm to my professional > career or atleast somebit frustation. Though it was all good till yesterday > but something came up today which affects me. I think it's Sat as it will > trasiting now in 12th from the natal chart position. > > Can you plz have a look on that and can suggest some remedy if it's so. > > I will be thankful of you. > > Regards > Suneet > > > > naaraayana_iyer [narayan@s...] > Tuesday, 8 April 2003 7:41 AM > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] sjc delhi meet > > > Ksheepa Om Swaha || > > > Dear Sarbani & Delhi SJC Group, > > Would you consider attaching the charts as is the protocol followed > by other SJC Study Groups. THat way, it would be better! > > Thanks > Regards > Narayan > > > , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Sarajit, > > > > Thanks for your explanations. I have one or two further > clarifications that > > I seek and which I have written below your comments. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > Jaya Jagannath > > Dear Prashant, > > > > I am missing the Delhi Group discussions. Anyway, my comments are > as > > follows: > > > > Best Wishes > > Sarajit > > > > > > - > > prashant narang > > > > Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:08 AM > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] sjc delhi meet > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > There was a sjc delhi meeting yesterday , and the topic > was "upapada". > > There were 5 students, sarbani, rohini ji, saroj ji, suneet ji, & > myself > > prashant. We discussed 3-4 charts, analysed their married life , > mutual > > compatibility, tried to time separation & next marriage. > > > > A few points that we discussed. > > > > a.. planets in upapada will show the kind of spouse, there was > rahu in > > one of the examples, which indicated lower qualities of spouse. > Another > > person had mercury in upapada, his spouse is creative . > > Sarajit: While this is true, the influence of Rahu show that the > spouse > > can be of different culture. Along with this, do check up the > aspects on the > > UL. With Kind of Spouse, you meant, the "Nature and Qualities of > the > > Spouse", I guess. > > > > Sarbani: Rahsi drishti of Sun and Mercury in Cancer from the > 6th. Sun is > > 7th lord. Graha drishti of Mars from the 7th. > > > > Didn't you check, where is UL placed wrt the lagna of the > native. This has > > manything to say on the role of spouse in the life of the native > and few > > more things. > > > > Sarbani: UL is placed in the 10th for the chart under > discussion. Where > > can we find details about the effects of different house > placements of UL > > from Lagna? Jaimini? > > a.. Lord of upapada: its strength & location . it shouldn't > b e in 8 > > house, if in 9th house as it was in one of the examples, then wife > will be > > religious. > > Sarajit: Lord of the Spouse has many things to say about the > family of the > > Spouse. If the lord is deb/ exalted then the family will be a > poor/ well to > > do family. The relationship of the Lord with the UL shall show, the > > relationship of the spouse with the family. If the lord of UL is > in the 9th > > from the Lagna, there would be very condusive relationship of the > spouse > > family with the native. Wife would be religious if religious > planets apects > > or placed in the UL... Do consider AL as well... > > > > Sarbani: The lord is placed in the 7th in Maranakaraka Sthana. > In lagna > > there is a retro Jupiter. And Mars is 11th from AL. What does this > show? > > a.. From 2nd house , we see longevity of marriage. Ju, mo, > sun are > > considered to be good for marriage longevity. In one of the > examples there > > was no planet in 2nd from up, its lord was retrograde, the house > was > > aspected by a malefic, but the lord was aspected by a benefic. > > Sarajit: Among Malefics, Rahu is the most diabolical as it can > eclipse > > both Jup or Sun. It is aspecting or associating with the 2nd from > UL without > > any benefic influence, then there is danger to married life. > > > > Sarbani: Rahu in UL will give its 12th aspect on the 2nd from > UL, won't > > it? And that will ruin the married life? There is also aspect of > Saturn on > > the 2nd from UL. > > a.. We tried to time divorce in a case by transit of malefics > & jupitor > > , their aspect on 2nd from up. > > Sarajit: Transit Jup's aspect on 2nd from UL, shall make the > bond stronger > > and will not give divorce. > > > > Sarbani: This is what we discussed at length. Although Saturn is > > aspecting the 2nd from UL (the 11th) from the 5th now. For your > benefit > > (Birth data and name witheld on request): Asc: Aq. with (Jup), > 4th: Ketu, > > 5th: Venus, Saturn, 6th: Mercury, Sun, 7th: Mars, 10th: Rahu, > 12th: Moon. > > AL: Libra, UL: Scorpio, AK: (Jup). > > > > There were some doubts. > > > > *If someone is not happy with the marriage , then their divorce > will be > > caused by malefics or transit of benefics? > > > > > > > > Sarajit: Transiting benefics would not cause divorce. > > > > a.. we coulnd't find spouse's lagna in one of the charts from > trines of > > ul, nor 7th from it , or the sign its lord is in (as per COVA > which we > > were following) . > > Sarajit: In such cases, the relationship will not be harmonious. > In such > > charts look for affliction to 2nd from UL. If there were influence > of > > Benefics on the 2nd from UL, then ultimately the native gets one > spouse, > > whose Lagna shall fall in trine to his/ her own UL. > > > > Along with trine, check the 7th from UL and Paka Upapada Lagna. > > > > What about benefics which are functional malefics, lord of 8th > house in > > context to 2nd from up. > > > > Sarajit: Take the Natural Benefics and Malefics only in this > context. > > > > with regards > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > --------- > > -- > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > Send a blank mail > > To : - > > To : > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > Send a blank mail > > To : - > > To : > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > Send a blank mail > To : - > To : > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Sarajit Sanjay ji mentioned to me at Hyderabad, that if Rahu or any malefic was in 2nd from UL, one should not worry about longevity of marriage, "IF", at the time of the muhurta of marriage, Jupiter was transiting the 2nd from UL. I hope I understood him right. If the transit of Jupiter at the time of marriage was so important, is it correct to arrive at predictions about longevity of marriage, just by looking at a chart? Secondly, let's say in the girl's chart, 2nd from UL is afflicted by malefic, threatening longevity of marriage, what happens if in her husband's chart, there is a benefic in the 2nd from his UL, aspected by benefics. Then, how should longevity of marriage be reckoned? Can you please elaborate? Sincerely R. Kasthuri Rangan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 Dear Suneet, Thank you for your answer. Your marriage happened on 21st May 2001. So the Maha/Antra was of Mercury/Mercury. I had timed it in 1st 1/3rd part of the antra and your marriage happened in 2nd 1/3rd part of Mercury antra. I am using Vimshottari dasa starting from moon. When did u accept your wife as your wife in your mind ? This is a finer thing and what I would like to understand when was the marriage decided or an engagement ? Did that date fall in 1st 1/3rd part of the Mercury Sub ? Hmm....Interesting though.... Please send the answer to the group so others may also learn... Thank you, Cheers !!! Ash , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Sumeet, > The logic I applied was the fact that Mercury in your chart had > highest overall points and is eager to give results for marriage. > Shani is not causing any delay. Guru is in the sign of Shani in > Navamsa. So legal age for marriage is 21. Since there is no delay > indicated in your chart Marriage can be after 21 year of age. Since > you were born in Dec 75 i.e your legal age would come up to be 1996. > At that time Rahus antra was running followed by Guru's. Rahu > represents Guru as its in Nakshatra of Guru and Guru is 6th lord so > its malefic. If you married during that period then either you would > have some problem or the other. Then the Maha/Antra changes to > MErcury/Mercury on Jan 18th 2001. The second and third highest > significators for marriage are Sun and Saturn. So when Sun transits > nakshatra of Saturn and Sun then Marriage can happen. This happens > during Jan 14th thru 27th. Now that just starts after Merc antra > starts. Hence I said you might have married in 2000-01. > Since there is no delay caused by Shani I narrowed it down to 1st > 1/3rd period of Mercury's antra and that is why I chose 2000/01. > > Now, you also have 1 zero point given by mars in 2nd house. Mars > rules 2nd and 7th house. Mars has finished its transit over Scorpio > recently. That could have given some problems regarding those > house. Sun with 4 bindus is in 2nd house and 2nd house creates > worries and Ketus antra is running now. Ketu represents Venus and > Sun so its period can cause worries. Since Sun is upchaya lord i.e. > 11th hosue lord which is 6th from 6th house it will be regarding job > but its also eager to give results so it will be ok but period of > unnecesary tention is there. > > Right now I am focussing on Ashtakavarga so I want to verify the > results and better myself with AV. I am sure principles of AV, > Parasara etc all work but my focus right now is on AV. > > Please let me know your marriage date so that I can find out where I > went wrong. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , "Kumar, Suneet" <skumar03@e...> > wrote: > > OM HREEM GAM HREEM MAHAGANPATYE NAMAH SWAHA ! > > > > Namaskar Ash, > > > > No this is not my marriage date. > > > > What logic did u applied here. If you had not tried the Timing of > marriage > > Principle in COVA, try that. > > > > Thanks > > Suneet > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:44 AM > > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] sjc delhi meet > > > > > > Dear Suneet, > > I just went through your chart for learning purposes. > > Just had a query. Did u marry in year 2000/Jan. I would say 14th > > thru 27th Jan 2000. > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , "Kumar, Suneet" > <skumar03@e...> > > wrote: > > > OM HREEM GAM HREEM GAM GANPATYE NAMAH ! > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > I am Suneet, from Delhi-SJC Group. > > > I am attaching mine and my wife's chart for the lagna of my wife > not > > > matching to the UL or trines to UL of 7th House to UL or its lord > > placed in > > > house in my chart. Plz have a look on that and enlighten our > > knowledge. > > > > > > Also as Jupiter is now direct from 4th Apr and Sat also entering > in > > Ge today > > > (8th Apr). I think this will be somebit doin some harm to my > > professional > > > career or atleast somebit frustation. Though it was all good till > > yesterday > > > but something came up today which affects me. I think it's Sat as > > it will > > > trasiting now in 12th from the natal chart position. > > > > > > Can you plz have a look on that and can suggest some remedy if > it's > > so. > > > > > > I will be thankful of you. > > > > > > Regards > > > Suneet > > > > > > > > > > > > naaraayana_iyer [narayan@s...] > > > Tuesday, 8 April 2003 7:41 AM > > > > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] sjc delhi > meet > > > > > > > > > Ksheepa Om Swaha || > > > > > > > > > Dear Sarbani & Delhi SJC Group, > > > > > > Would you consider attaching the charts as is the protocol > followed > > > by other SJC Study Groups. THat way, it would be better! > > > > > > Thanks > > > Regards > > > Narayan > > > > > > > > > , "Sarbani Sarkar" > > <sarbani@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Sarajit, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your explanations. I have one or two further > > > clarifications that > > > > I seek and which I have written below your comments. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannath > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > > > > I am missing the Delhi Group discussions. Anyway, my comments > are > > > as > > > > follows: > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > prashant narang > > > > > > > > Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:08 AM > > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] sjc delhi meet > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > There was a sjc delhi meeting yesterday , and the topic > > > was "upapada". > > > > There were 5 students, sarbani, rohini ji, saroj ji, suneet ji, > & > > > myself > > > > prashant. We discussed 3-4 charts, analysed their married > life , > > > mutual > > > > compatibility, tried to time separation & next marriage. > > > > > > > > A few points that we discussed. > > > > > > > > a.. planets in upapada will show the kind of spouse, there > > was > > > rahu in > > > > one of the examples, which indicated lower qualities of spouse. > > > Another > > > > person had mercury in upapada, his spouse is creative . > > > > Sarajit: While this is true, the influence of Rahu show that > > the > > > spouse > > > > can be of different culture. Along with this, do check up the > > > aspects on the > > > > UL. With Kind of Spouse, you meant, the "Nature and Qualities > of > > > the > > > > Spouse", I guess. > > > > > > > > Sarbani: Rahsi drishti of Sun and Mercury in Cancer from the > > > 6th. Sun is > > > > 7th lord. Graha drishti of Mars from the 7th. > > > > > > > > Didn't you check, where is UL placed wrt the lagna of the > > > native. This has > > > > manything to say on the role of spouse in the life of the > native > > > and few > > > > more things. > > > > > > > > Sarbani: UL is placed in the 10th for the chart under > > > discussion. Where > > > > can we find details about the effects of different house > > > placements of UL > > > > from Lagna? Jaimini? > > > > a.. Lord of upapada: its strength & location . it > shouldn't > > > b e in 8 > > > > house, if in 9th house as it was in one of the examples, then > > wife > > > will be > > > > religious. > > > > Sarajit: Lord of the Spouse has many things to say about the > > > family of the > > > > Spouse. If the lord is deb/ exalted then the family will be a > > > poor/ well to > > > > do family. The relationship of the Lord with the UL shall show, > > the > > > > relationship of the spouse with the family. If the lord of UL > is > > > in the 9th > > > > from the Lagna, there would be very condusive relationship of > the > > > spouse > > > > family with the native. Wife would be religious if religious > > > planets apects > > > > or placed in the UL... Do consider AL as well... > > > > > > > > Sarbani: The lord is placed in the 7th in Maranakaraka > Sthana. > > > In lagna > > > > there is a retro Jupiter. And Mars is 11th from AL. What does > > this > > > show? > > > > a.. From 2nd house , we see longevity of marriage. Ju, > mo, > > > sun are > > > > considered to be good for marriage longevity. In one of the > > > examples there > > > > was no planet in 2nd from up, its lord was retrograde, the > house > > > was > > > > aspected by a malefic, but the lord was aspected by a benefic. > > > > Sarajit: Among Malefics, Rahu is the most diabolical as it > can > > > eclipse > > > > both Jup or Sun. It is aspecting or associating with the 2nd > from > > > UL without > > > > any benefic influence, then there is danger to married life. > > > > > > > > Sarbani: Rahu in UL will give its 12th aspect on the 2nd from > > > UL, won't > > > > it? And that will ruin the married life? There is also aspect > of > > > Saturn on > > > > the 2nd from UL. > > > > a.. We tried to time divorce in a case by transit of > malefics > > > & jupitor > > > > , their aspect on 2nd from up. > > > > Sarajit: Transit Jup's aspect on 2nd from UL, shall make the > > > bond stronger > > > > and will not give divorce. > > > > > > > > Sarbani: This is what we discussed at length. Although > Saturn > > is > > > > aspecting the 2nd from UL (the 11th) from the 5th now. For your > > > benefit > > > > (Birth data and name witheld on request): Asc: Aq. with (Jup), > > > 4th: Ketu, > > > > 5th: Venus, Saturn, 6th: Mercury, Sun, 7th: Mars, 10th: Rahu, > > > 12th: Moon. > > > > AL: Libra, UL: Scorpio, AK: (Jup). > > > > > > > > There were some doubts. > > > > > > > > *If someone is not happy with the marriage , then their > divorce > > > will be > > > > caused by malefics or transit of benefics? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarajit: Transiting benefics would not cause divorce. > > > > > > > > a.. we coulnd't find spouse's lagna in one of the charts > > from > > > trines of > > > > ul, nor 7th from it , or the sign its lord is in (as per > > COVA > > > which we > > > > were following) . > > > > Sarajit: In such cases, the relationship will not be > > harmonious. > > > In such > > > > charts look for affliction to 2nd from UL. If there were > > influence > > > of > > > > Benefics on the 2nd from UL, then ultimately the native gets > one > > > spouse, > > > > whose Lagna shall fall in trine to his/ her own UL. > > > > > > > > Along with trine, check the 7th from UL and Paka Upapada > Lagna. > > > > > > > > What about benefics which are functional malefics, lord of > > 8th > > > house in > > > > context to 2nd from up. > > > > > > > > Sarajit: Take the Natural Benefics and Malefics only in this > > > context. > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > -- > > - > > > --------- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > > > Send a blank mail > > > > To : - > > > > To : > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > > > Send a blank mail > > > > To : - > > > > To : > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > > Send a blank mail > > > To : - > > > To : > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > Send a blank mail > > To : - > > To : > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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