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dear Mr. chandrashekhar,

 

you are correct..mars is the 3rd lord..it was a over look. my comments are as below in capital,

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:58 AM

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Dear J.K.Dasgupta,

I am just a student of astrology but would like to give my comments on the chart.

First is that the chart that you have attached shows Mars to be lord of the

3rd/10th and not 4th as stated in your mail.The native has Aquarius ascendant

and 4th lord is Venus.

Sun in 9th in debilitation and place of 9th lord in 8th indicates lack of

pitrusukha ( could be because of being away from father)

Ascendant lord Saturn Vargottama in 6th aspects 12th house which is his own

bhava(indicating income abroad as Saturn aspects yogakaraka Venus) and is

stronger than Mars whom he conjoins. Again Mars is joined by his Ucchanath thus

reducing effect of its debilitation. His being an engineer and to do with Gas

etc is the result of this combination and Saturn's aspect of the 3rd.

About property not only 4th house but association of Jupiter with 4th house is

to be taken into consideration.Here Jupiter(which is exalted in Navamsha)

aspects 4th house and conjoins lord of the 4th Venus.

He has Vipareet rajyogas by the reason of 3rd and 12th lord in 6th and 6th lord

in 8th. Mercury is also capable of causing Yoga as being a trinal lord it is in

angle.Both Ketu and Rahu are in exaltation in the chart. Moreover the native has

Kedar Yoga one of the Nabhasa Yogas. Besides Gajakesari Yoga he also has

neechabhanga of debilitated Venusas its Ucchnath Jupiter is in Kendra(By

association) with Moon and with Venus.The native must have had unexpected

opportunities leading to his Bhagyaodaya.

 

YES, YOU ARE RIGHT.. HE HAD SUCH OPPORTUNITIES. BUT DOES THE VEPAREET RAJAYOGA

IS REALLY VERY EFFECTIVE HERE? AS SAT IS QUITE STRONG IN Cn. FOR VEPAREET

RAJAYOGA..BOTH THE PLANETS HAVE TO BE WEEK..AS I KNOW.

 

Reagrding progeny 5th house is occupied by Rahu and is devoid of aspect of any

Purushagraha.Venus is posited in the house of 5th Lord Mercury the depositor of

5th lord i.e. Mars is posited in Cancer ruled by Moon.Again Navamshesh of 5th

lord Mercury is Moon,need I say more about his female children?

I think this chart , in a way, supports my views often expressed on this list

that taking into consideration too many parameters makes one miss what is

obvious if you look at Natal and Navamsha Charts.

 

YOU ARE RIGHT TO STATE THAT PRESENCE OF RAHU IN 5TH OF RASI CHART IS NOT WELL

FOR MALE CHILD. BUT SHOULD IT NOT GET REFLECTED IN D7? OR WE ARE MISSING HERE

SOMETHING?

 

I would appreciate your comments on my analysis. It would enable me to

understand more about this divine science.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

 

Friday, February 14, 2003 12:55 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] 14th meeting proceedings, mumbai chapter

Respected Gurus and all list learned members,

 

Our 14th meeting was held on 2.2.03 the same was attended by,

 

1. Dr. Ramchandani

2. Dr. Sharma (new member)

3. Praveen

4. Sunil John

5. DasguptaWe had discussion on 1 horoscopes. The horoscope attached herewith in

jhl4.1 format.

 

Doubts faced during the discussion are sumerised below, for which we look

forward for guidance.

===============================================

A male chart:

1.11.1945

15:05 pm

73E55, 18N31

 

1. Almost whole life the native leaved away from his family..working in foreign

land in difficult circustances and earned lot of money. He has some properties

also. This is not clearly indicated in the chart.

 

In rashi 4L mars debltd and conjoins his enemy sat in 6th.. may be the reason

that he was devoid of family conforts on a/c of his service in difficult

circumstances (sat mars conbination in 6H).. but in that case it should creat

problem for property also as mars is the karaka for property and 4L also. also

deblt malefics in dusthana should be bad for material gain.. unless retro, this

rule seems not to be implied here.

 

7L for foregn travel is in 11th from AL..but debilated. That may show that he

might have benefitted from foreign travels and short assignments but he should

have faced problems in travel..which was never the case. in his D10 also..lagna

lord and 10th lord mer in 12th shows his foreign assignments but 7H has 6L sat

with 12L sun and ketu in ..should not be a very happy situation. How to

understand the big wealth earned by him thru his proffession..from his D10? He

is a civil engineer connected to gas and petrolium sector and presently in a

very high position in a private company in mumbai. we were unable to establish

this from the D10

 

Look at 8H in rashi..gajakeshari yoga there..with debltd venus. What does it

indicate? He has list interest in learning occult subjects.

 

2. He has 2 daughters.

 

In his D7, Lagna is Cn..even rashi..so count backward. 9H is Pi..male rashi, so

the first child should be male. Jup is also in Cn..Cn is also counted as male

rasi. 3rd from Pi counting, backward is Cp..in between ketu comes..so 2nd issue

will be seen by Aq. Aq lord sat is again with 2 male rashis, one of them is

exaulted..so 2nd issue also should be male. For ketu being inbetween.. there

should a gap between 2 issues, which is there, nearly 7 years gap.

 

Please provide us further guidance.

 

Regards

 

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dear Sarajit,

 

thank you for your detail comments.but still question remains that..though he

has only 2 daughters but his D7 shows only male child..are we missing something

here? as pointed out by chandrashekharji that presence of rahu in 5th of rashi

does not auger well for male child. but how to justify that from his D7?

 

dasgupta

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Sarajit Poddar

 

Saturday, February 15, 2003 7:01 AM

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Jaya Jagannath,

Dear Mumbai Members,

 

My commets are under the relavant section:

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Friday, February 14, 2003 3:25 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] 14th meeting proceedings, mumbai chapter

Respected Gurus and all list learned members,

 

Our 14th meeting was held on 2.2.03 the same was attended by,

 

1. Dr. Ramchandani

2. Dr. Sharma (new member)

3. Praveen

4. Sunil John

5. DasguptaWe had discussion on 1 horoscopes. The horoscope attached herewith in

jhl4.1 format.

 

Doubts faced during the discussion are sumerised below, for which we look

forward for guidance.

===============================================

A male chart:

1.11.1945

15:05 pm

73E55, 18N31

 

1. Almost whole life the native leaved away from his family..working in foreign

land in difficult circustances and earned lot of money. He has some properties

also. This is not clearly indicated in the chart.

 

In rashi 4L mars debltd and conjoins his enemy sat in 6th.. may be the reason

that he was devoid of family conforts on a/c of his service in difficult

circumstances (sat mars conbination in 6H).. but in that case it should creat

problem for property also as mars is the karaka for property and 4L also. also

deblt malefics in dusthana should be bad for material gain.. unless retro, this

rule seems not to be implied here.

 

Sarajit: The house of family is 2nd whereas the 4th is the matribhumi or the

place where the person has taken birth. This implies that this house signify

the place, which is own to the person and hence his home. The only thing you

can find out from this house is the harmony in his home or otherwise. This is

why this the house of happiness or harmony. If the native has stayed away from

his family, the 2nd house shoud have some separative influences. The lord of

the 2nd house is placed in the 8th house.

 

You have rightly pointed out, the property is seen from 4th house, the Karaka

Mars and from the 4th of Mars too. The 4th house is not specifically afflicted,

however aspected by Rasi drsti by the karaka Mars. This gives him some property.

Now the as the Karaka is debilitated, Sat's presence is strenthening to some

extent as Sat causes functional exaltation of Mars. However the negetive

influences are that the lord of the 4th house as well as Mars are placed in the

dusthana, showing that the person will not be able to enjoy whatever property he

has. From Mars, when we judge the 4th house, Sun is placed there who would

support Mars' indication. Howeber the lord Venus is placed in the 12th from the

house, showing some loss of the property and being placed in the 8th, the native

will not be able to enjoy the property. However, this is very imp to note that

the 8th house is the house of legacy and inheritence, and if the 4th lord is

placed in the 8th house in strength, the native gains from Inheritence.

Although Venus is debilitated, Jupiter is causing functional exaltation and its

presence with Moon causes the Neechabhanga of Venus. Thus the native would have

inherited some property.

 

 

7L for foregn travel is in 11th from AL..but debilated. That may show that he

might have benefitted from foreign travels and short assignments but he should

have faced problems in travel..which was never the case. in his D10 also..lagna

lord and 10th lord mer in 12th shows his foreign assignments but 7H has 6L sat

with 12L sun and ketu in ..should not be a very happy situation. How to

understand the big wealth earned by him thru his proffession..from his D10? He

is a civil engineer connected to gas and petrolium sector and presently in a

very high position in a private company in mumbai. we were unable to establish

this from the D10.

 

 

Sarajit: First thing to check for foreigh travel is influence of Rahu on the

Lagna/ Lagna lord or AL/ AL lord. If the influences are strong, then the person

adapts the foreign culture and tries to settle in the foreign lands. The

influence of Rahu is countered by Jupiter, who shows influece of Home Land.

Here we see that the native has Rasi drsti on both the AL and AL lord and graha

Drsti on the Lagna and Lagna lord. This shows the influence on the native of the

foreign culture is very strong and he would have enjoyed his time in time in the

foreign lands.

 

For long duration foreign travel, 12th is seen. The lord is not well placed in

the 6th house with Mars which doesnot augur well for the indication. Sat gets

functional debilitation in the presence of Mars. This does show troubles in the

foreign land, such as delays, enemity etc. More do as the dispositor is having

chandrastama. However as more planets are in kendra to the 12th house, the 12th

has become stronger than the Lagna showing that foreign land was favourable for

the native.

 

Look at 8H in rashi..gajakeshari yoga there..with debltd venus. What does it

indicate? He has list interest in learning occult subjects.

 

Sarajit: Even though the person is not interested in learning occult subjects,

he does think about the philosophy behind life and death. Debilitated Venus is

having neechabhanga and hence not that weak.

 

 

2. He has 2 daughters.

 

In his D7, Lagna is Cn..even rashi..so count backward. 9H is Pi..male rashi, so

the first child should be male. Jup is also in Cn..Cn is also counted as male

rasi. 3rd from Pi counting, backward is Cp..in between ketu comes..so 2nd issue

will be seen by Aq. Aq lord sat is again with 2 male rashis, one of them is

exaulted..so 2nd issue also should be male. For ketu being inbetween.. there

should a gap between 2 issues, which is there, nearly 7 years gap.

 

Sarajit: Counting is correct. Don't check 5th (count reverse) house Pi but the

lord. The lord in Cn. So a male child. you are correct. Ignore nodes coming

between, you can jump over them, Nodes shouldnot be in placed in the counted

house. You are correct... Cp lord Sa with Ma and Su clearly shows Male child.

 

Try to find the nature of the child from the Saptamsa

 

Best RegardsSarajit

 

Please provide us further guidance.

 

Regards

 

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Dear J.K. Dasgupta,

The reason that D-7 or any other D-charts do not always reflect the events

indicated in Natal Chart will be easier to understand when we see that while

awarding strengths to D- Chart Natal and navamsha get 3 and 3.5 degrees wheeras

others get 1.5 or less. This indicates that the indications of Natal chart are

of paramount importance and position of planets in natal charts be used in so

far drishties etc. are concerned. The D charts are to be utilised to assess the

strength or weakness that planets derive from the D charts. The problem arises

when we start taking aspects within the D-Charts instead of the Natal

Charts.BPHS and Jaimini as well as all other astrological works while on the

subject of aspects state"Abhipashyanti Krukshani" indicating aspects from Rasi

to Rasi and nowhere aspects from Rasi divisions to Rasi divisions are mentioned

barring a few exceptions.

At least this is how I interpret the texts.I could be wrong, but I am able to

get a fair degree of accuracy by following this logic when considering aspects.

Chandrashekhar.

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:57 PM

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dear Mr. Chandrashekhara,

 

Thank you for taking time in the detailed reply-which is quite educative.

another thing which might have contributed here is that the lagna lord is also

involved in the VRY and both HL & GL is posited there.

 

yes..various techniques on predicting with navamsa is not known to us.. but i

have seen that progeny principles in D7 work well in most of the charts..except

this one, among the very few. of course, in rashi chart the theory of empirical

formulae is perfectly working (asc, Aq..5L mer in female rashi and 7L sun

debltd..both showing female child), but it should get confirmed in d-charts

also..in my view. may be there is more to it.

 

we are eagerly looking forward to your lecture on navamsa in mumbai workshop.

 

regards

 

dasgupta

 

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Chandrashekhar

 

Saturday, February 15, 2003 7:53 PM

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Dear Mr. J K Dasgupta,

I personally do not understand from where the theory of Vipareeta Rajayoga

planets needing to be weak has arisen, though many learned astrologers

to it.

The logic behind Vipareeta Rajyoga is the same that applies to Malefics being in

Dusthanas.Lord of a Dusthana weakens results of another Dusthana in which he is

psited and vice-a-versa thus giving rise to a Rajyoga as 2 Dusthanas loose

their power to give bad results. If this logic is correct then a powerful Lord

of a dusthana exchanging places with another dusthana lord should give better

results and not worse.

 

Abaout the reason of the progeny results, you must have observed from my posts

that I hold the view that Divisional charts positions should be analused only

for asessing the strenghts of planet in respect of what the particular D Chart

represents and these should be applied to aspects etc. in Natal Chart. Even

ancient texts give more strengths to Navamsha position over that in natal chart

and not to other D Charts.Even here I always feel that the aspects of Navamsha

Charts should not be considered and these should be seen only in Natal Charts

unless specifically stated in the Shlokas. The reason is that for the same

Navamsha the nakshtra lordship would be different and results would vary. I do

not think that the Ancient sages who devised the Shastras which we are not able

to fully comprehend even now missed this fact of diferent Nakshtra lordships of

same Navamshas in Different Rasis. As a matter of fact I am still trying to

write a paper on this to be presented at Mumbai conference as desired by

Sanjayji of me.

About the D-7 Chart, I we proceed logically(applying Viveka) instead of

empirical formulae,Lord of 5th in the Natal Chart is posited in Venus

saptamsha.Mars depositor of the 5th lord natal Chart is in Saturn Navamsha.Ketu

posited in 5th in Natal Chart is in Kumbha Navamsha.The saptamsha Lagna it self

is Lagna of Moon. So Hermaphordaites and Female planets have the greatest

effect on the D 7Chart.The effect is also carried on to the Natal Chart hence

the efects obtained by the Native.

I personally prefer to use only Natal and navamsha charts to analyse a chart as

I have found that for my limited knowledge and intelligence they provide enough

information for arriving at the probable predictions.Too many parameters tend to

give rise to wrong inferences in my case.

I wanted this post to be short, but thought it better to explain how I like to look at a chart.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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j.k. dasgupta

 

Saturday, February 15, 2003 7:46 PM

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dear Mr. chandrashekhar,

 

you are correct..mars is the 3rd lord..it was a over look. my comments are as below in capital,

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Chandrashekhar

 

Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:58 AM

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Dear J.K.Dasgupta,

I am just a student of astrology but would like to give my comments on the chart.

First is that the chart that you have attached shows Mars to be lord of the

3rd/10th and not 4th as stated in your mail.The native has Aquarius ascendant

and 4th lord is Venus.

Sun in 9th in debilitation and place of 9th lord in 8th indicates lack of

pitrusukha ( could be because of being away from father)

Ascendant lord Saturn Vargottama in 6th aspects 12th house which is his own

bhava(indicating income abroad as Saturn aspects yogakaraka Venus) and is

stronger than Mars whom he conjoins. Again Mars is joined by his Ucchanath thus

reducing effect of its debilitation. His being an engineer and to do with Gas

etc is the result of this combination and Saturn's aspect of the 3rd.

About property not only 4th house but association of Jupiter with 4th house is

to be taken into consideration.Here Jupiter(which is exalted in Navamsha)

aspects 4th house and conjoins lord of the 4th Venus.

He has Vipareet rajyogas by the reason of 3rd and 12th lord in 6th and 6th lord

in 8th. Mercury is also capable of causing Yoga as being a trinal lord it is in

angle.Both Ketu and Rahu are in exaltation in the chart. Moreover the native has

Kedar Yoga one of the Nabhasa Yogas. Besides Gajakesari Yoga he also has

neechabhanga of debilitated Venusas its Ucchnath Jupiter is in Kendra(By

association) with Moon and with Venus.The native must have had unexpected

opportunities leading to his Bhagyaodaya.

 

YES, YOU ARE RIGHT.. HE HAD SUCH OPPORTUNITIES. BUT DOES THE VEPAREET RAJAYOGA

IS REALLY VERY EFFECTIVE HERE? AS SAT IS QUITE STRONG IN Cn. FOR VEPAREET

RAJAYOGA..BOTH THE PLANETS HAVE TO BE WEEK..AS I KNOW.

 

Reagrding progeny 5th house is occupied by Rahu and is devoid of aspect of any

Purushagraha.Venus is posited in the house of 5th Lord Mercury the depositor of

5th lord i.e. Mars is posited in Cancer ruled by Moon.Again Navamshesh of 5th

lord Mercury is Moon,need I say more about his female children?

I think this chart , in a way, supports my views often expressed on this list

that taking into consideration too many parameters makes one miss what is

obvious if you look at Natal and Navamsha Charts.

 

YOU ARE RIGHT TO STATE THAT PRESENCE OF RAHU IN 5TH OF RASI CHART IS NOT WELL

FOR MALE CHILD. BUT SHOULD IT NOT GET REFLECTED IN D7? OR WE ARE MISSING HERE

SOMETHING?

 

I would appreciate your comments on my analysis. It would enable me to

understand more about this divine science.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

 

Friday, February 14, 2003 12:55 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] 14th meeting proceedings, mumbai chapter

Respected Gurus and all list learned members,

 

Our 14th meeting was held on 2.2.03 the same was attended by,

 

1. Dr. Ramchandani

2. Dr. Sharma (new member)

3. Praveen

4. Sunil John

5. DasguptaWe had discussion on 1 horoscopes. The horoscope attached herewith in

jhl4.1 format.

 

Doubts faced during the discussion are sumerised below, for which we look

forward for guidance.

===============================================

A male chart:

1.11.1945

15:05 pm

73E55, 18N31

 

1. Almost whole life the native leaved away from his family..working in foreign

land in difficult circustances and earned lot of money. He has some properties

also. This is not clearly indicated in the chart.

 

In rashi 4L mars debltd and conjoins his enemy sat in 6th.. may be the reason

that he was devoid of family conforts on a/c of his service in difficult

circumstances (sat mars conbination in 6H).. but in that case it should creat

problem for property also as mars is the karaka for property and 4L also. also

deblt malefics in dusthana should be bad for material gain.. unless retro, this

rule seems not to be implied here.

 

7L for foregn travel is in 11th from AL..but debilated. That may show that he

might have benefitted from foreign travels and short assignments but he should

have faced problems in travel..which was never the case. in his D10 also..lagna

lord and 10th lord mer in 12th shows his foreign assignments but 7H has 6L sat

with 12L sun and ketu in ..should not be a very happy situation. How to

understand the big wealth earned by him thru his proffession..from his D10? He

is a civil engineer connected to gas and petrolium sector and presently in a

very high position in a private company in mumbai. we were unable to establish

this from the D10

 

Look at 8H in rashi..gajakeshari yoga there..with debltd venus. What does it

indicate? He has list interest in learning occult subjects.

 

2. He has 2 daughters.

 

In his D7, Lagna is Cn..even rashi..so count backward. 9H is Pi..male rashi, so

the first child should be male. Jup is also in Cn..Cn is also counted as male

rasi. 3rd from Pi counting, backward is Cp..in between ketu comes..so 2nd issue

will be seen by Aq. Aq lord sat is again with 2 male rashis, one of them is

exaulted..so 2nd issue also should be male. For ketu being inbetween.. there

should a gap between 2 issues, which is there, nearly 7 years gap.

 

Please provide us further guidance.

 

Regards

 

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