Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Namaste, When we talk of the Rg Ved we must consider the Maharishi's who cognized them... It is this that is eternal...this realtionship of sound and form which the tradition of Masters have "seen". Hence this knowledge is eternal. A "book" just happens to be a convenient place to record this. The Ved will be here today, a billion years from today and in the next creation..they are eternal. It is us who come and go! , Krishna M <astro4kris> wrote: > Hi > > I found this article on the net and I think its an > interesting reading > > http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/aryan/koenraad1.html > > Thanks Kris > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 The theory of the West and Westernized scholars on Veda-s hinges on a single assumption that vEda-s are COMPOSITIONS. This is utterly wrong. So forget about secular-christologist(Indology) Elst argument, if you are follower of jyOtiSa. How do you date these cyclical things. The apourusheya concept is the KEY. I am appending some relevant info: None authored or created Veda. Just as That Indescribable is ever existing and unchanging (ever "breathing"), Veda too exists with That as Its very breath. Since It is neither created nor perishable, none authored the Veda. ParamAtman (It) also did/does not author the Veda - Veda in infinite extent (anantA vai vEda) existed and exists immutably with no beginning and no end. After creating the brahmAnda in Apa, He occupied what He created out of Himself; he is now BrahmA who meditated on That Indescribable, secured the full Veda into his mind, and began creating the universe as per this Veda. So it is said all the names of all things in this universe existed in the Veda before they were created by Creator BrahmA (Manu Smr'ti 1-21). Pada (Sound or Word or vibration) + arTha (meaning) in his mind's thought led to padArTha, i.e., this universe of matter-energy, i.e., this whole universe is a mere thought cycle in his mind. If we really need to fix an authorship to Veda just as we see for a poem or prose, then the author is Paramaatman only, and he wrote it infinite ages (years, yugas, etc.) ago. Yet we have some Veda mantra-s. On earth how did we humans get hold of the Veda (i.e., only a part of the infinite Veda)? The students or Guru of the revealing R`Si recorded the revealed mantra-s. The revealing R`Si himself would not know what he uttered unless witnesses around him would tell him and declare him as a R`Si. The process involves a havana called samhitOpAsana. After that a select bIjAkSara and its dEvatA is mediatated upon by the seeker of shabdabrahma (i.e., Veda mantra-s). With complete yoga (stoppage of all mental thought activities), the seeker reaches samADhi (one with the Universal Intelligence, as this word implies), and becomes a non-participatory tool or medium to reveal vAk and its Chandas from parA to pasHyanti to maDhyama to vaiKhari (audible speech). The Chandas and the words are all thus revealed - they did not result from or get modulated by human mind activity. Thus, they were never compositions (i.e., not composed by human mind activities and thought processes). Such Veda mantra-s reveal direct Truth, and hence are pramANa-s, and error-free. The very Samskr`ta, in original form (shikSa), is this revealed language. So are the Chandas, vyAkaraNa, kalpa, nirukta, and jyOtiSa - the samhita mantra-s contain all these. Great sages (pANini, lagaDha, etc.) wrote explanations and treatises on them. Thus yoga samADhi is the key path to gain Veda mantra-s. One need not know any Samskr`ta to reveal Veda mantra-s but he must master yoga samADhi. The Mullerites and seculars totally missed this point. , "fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>" <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > Namaste, > When we talk of the Rg Ved we must consider the Maharishi's > who cognized them... It is this that is eternal...this > realtionship of sound and form which the tradition of > Masters have "seen". Hence this knowledge is eternal. > A "book" just happens to be a convenient place to > record this. The Ved will be here today, a billion > years from today and in the next creation..they are > eternal. It is us who come and go! > > > , Krishna M <astro4kris> > wrote: > > Hi > > > > I found this article on the net and I think its an > > interesting reading > > > > http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/aryan/koenraad1.html > > > > Thanks Kris > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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