Guest guest Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 Om Rum Ramameshavara Nama Namaste, We know that Brahma in the chart is Lagn, Vishnu is 2nd housea And Siva is 7th... What is not clear is we have many Mantram's for Siva and Vishnu. Yet for Brahma who has created the gods, we find none due to a transgression of " incestuous intercourse with his own daughter" (*see below for more). My question is, what is this story a methapor of? what does it tell us as a Jyotisha about Lagna, the nature of this engery or about the creative principle ? Pranams, Frank *** from http://www.mypurohith.com/Encyclopedia/EnclopB3.asp "The name Brahma is not found in the Vedas and Brahmanas, in which the active creator is known as Hiranya-garbha, Prajapati, &c.; but there is a curious passage in the Satapatha Brahmana which says: "He (Brahma, neuter) created the gods. Having created the gods, he placed them in these worlds: in this world Agni, Vayu in the atmosphere, and Surya in the sky." Two points connected with Brahma are remarkable. As the father of men he performs the work of procreation by incestuous intercourse with his own daughter, variously named Vach or Saraswati (speech), Sandhya (twilight), Sata- rupa (the hundred-formed), &c. Secondly, that his powers as creator have been arrogated to the other gods Vishnu and Siva, while Brahma has been thrown into the shade. In the Aitareya Brahmana it is said that Prajapati was in the form of a buck and his daughter was Rohit, a deer. According to the Satapatha Brahmana and Manu, the supreme soul, the self-existent lord, created the waters and deposited in them a seed, which seed became a golden egg, in which he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of all the worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Brahma, vishnu, Ishwara, Hiranyagarbha, aakaashaganga are just mythical charactors, as descirbed by primitive 18th century Indologists. This is highly primitive notion induced by Seculars(de- Christianized Christology--For more, 'Who is religious, dear reader, who secular by SN Balagangadhara') These are rather rooted in Cosmological divinity:- Consider our universe as a TREE(aka Kalpa Vr'ksham) So, the tree of this universe might look like as follows: hiraNyagarBha(The centre of Universe) -> Creator principle Brahman -> 10 prajApati mandala-s. -> in each of these some countable other mandala-s are formed. Count may be different in each: like a few to few hundreds. "br`haspati" may be the general name for such mandala-s - brAhmaNa texts seem to indicate so (or aDhipati of each was named as a br`haspati). We are in parmESTi mandala. -> in each br`haspati mandala, there are some countable sub mandala-s. Count may be different in each: like a few to few hundreds. "indra" may be the general name for these mandala-s (or to aDhipati in each of these mandala-s) - brAhmaNa texts seem to indicate so. We are in vahni mandala, where our indra's name is shiva. This is our super galaxy or galaxy cluster that has several galaxies (like Milkyway, Andromeda, etc.), and local groups. Modern astronomy calls this as the Virgo cluster, our home cluster of galaxies. Note that the br`haspati above is the guru for all indra-s under him. -> in each indra mandala, there are some countable vAyu mandala-s. Count may be different in each: like a few to few hundreds. Our vAyu mandala (galaxy) name is sOma mandala, and its aDhipati name is viSNu. -> in each vAyu mandala (i.e., galaxy), there are countless sUrya mandala-s. We are in one such mandala named as aaditya mandala whose aDhipati is named as a 'brahma'. There are countless (but finite) of such brahma-s. -> in each sUrya mandala (i.e. star), there are some countable (a few to few tens) agni mandala-s. These are the planets and comets going around each star. Our own agni mandala is called BhUmandala, but Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, etc. too are such agni mandala-s. -> in each agni mandala, there are some countable (like 0 to 20) chandra mandala-s. rAhu and kEtu nodes exist in our chandra mandala just as in every other chandra mandala. These form the seven pariDhi-s. pariDhi is the generic name for anything that has a circumference. Thus, these pariDhi-s include all shapes fitting the equation axx + byy + czz = d. The 'edge' or 'surface' of each pariDhi is called antarikSa, as the word itself implies. antarikSa is not static, it is moving all the time, hence its aDhipati is called 'sarpa'. aDhipati of every mandala is a living entity, be manuSya, ganDharva, pitr, or dEva-s, with birth and death. This goes on all the time in the universe. , "fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>" <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > Om Rum Ramameshavara Nama > > Namaste, > We know that Brahma in the chart is Lagn, Vishnu is 2nd housea > And Siva is 7th... > > What is not clear is we have many Mantram's for Siva and Vishnu. > Yet for Brahma who has created the gods, we find none due > to a transgression of " incestuous intercourse with his own daughter" > (*see below for more). > My question is, what is this story a methapor of? what does it > tell us as a Jyotisha about Lagna, the nature of this engery > or about the creative principle ? > > > Pranams, > Frank > > *** from http://www.mypurohith.com/Encyclopedia/EnclopB3.asp > > "The name Brahma is not found in the Vedas and Brahmanas, in which > the active creator is known as Hiranya-garbha, Prajapati, &c.; but > there is a curious passage in the Satapatha Brahmana which says: "He > (Brahma, neuter) created the gods. Having created the gods, he > placed them in these worlds: in this world Agni, Vayu in the > atmosphere, and Surya in the sky." Two points connected with Brahma > are remarkable. As the father of men he performs the work of > procreation by incestuous intercourse with his own daughter, > variously named Vach or Saraswati (speech), Sandhya (twilight), Sata- > rupa (the hundred-formed), &c. Secondly, that his powers as creator > have been arrogated to the other gods Vishnu and Siva, while Brahma > has been thrown into the shade. In the Aitareya Brahmana it is said > that Prajapati was in the form of a buck and his daughter was Rohit, > a deer. According to the Satapatha Brahmana and Manu, the supreme > soul, the self-existent lord, created the waters and deposited in > them a seed, which seed became a golden egg, in which he himself was > born as Brahma, the progenitor of all the worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 Fascinating material! Thanks for posting it! Would you be able to cite which specific brahmana texts contain this information? , "venkateshwara_reddy <venkateshwara_reddy>" <venkateshwara_reddy> wrote: > Brahma, vishnu, Ishwara, Hiranyagarbha, aakaashaganga are just > mythical charactors, as descirbed by primitive 18th century > Indologists. This is highly primitive notion induced by Seculars(de- > Christianized Christology--For more, 'Who is religious, dear reader, > who secular by SN Balagangadhara') > > > These are rather rooted in Cosmological divinity:- > > Consider our universe as a TREE(aka Kalpa Vr'ksham) > > So, the tree of this universe might look like as follows: > > hiraNyagarBha(The centre of Universe) -> Creator principle Brahman > -> 10 prajApati mandala-s. > > -> in each of these some countable other mandala-s are > formed. Count may be different in each: like a few to few > hundreds. "br`haspati" may be the general name for such > mandala-s - brAhmaNa texts seem to indicate so (or aDhipati > of each was named as a br`haspati). We are in parmESTi > mandala. > > -> in each br`haspati mandala, there are some countable sub > mandala-s. Count may be different in each: like a few to few > hundreds. "indra" may be the general name for these > mandala-s (or to aDhipati in each of these mandala-s) - > brAhmaNa texts seem to indicate so. We are in vahni mandala, > where our indra's name is shiva. This is our super galaxy or > galaxy cluster that has several galaxies (like Milkyway, > Andromeda, etc.), and local groups. Modern astronomy calls > this as the Virgo cluster, our home cluster of galaxies. > Note that the br`haspati above is the guru for all indra-s > under him. > > -> in each indra mandala, there are some countable vAyu > mandala-s. Count may be different in each: like a few to few > hundreds. Our vAyu mandala (galaxy) name is sOma mandala, > and its aDhipati name is viSNu. > > -> in each vAyu mandala (i.e., galaxy), there are countless > sUrya mandala-s. We are in one such mandala named as aaditya > mandala whose aDhipati is named as a 'brahma'. There are > countless (but finite) of such brahma-s. > > -> in each sUrya mandala (i.e. star), there are some > countable (a few to few tens) agni mandala-s. These are the > planets and comets going around each star. Our own agni > mandala is called BhUmandala, but Mercury, Venus, Mars, > Jupiter, Saturn, etc. too are such agni mandala-s. > > -> in each agni mandala, there are some countable (like 0 to > 20) chandra mandala-s. rAhu and kEtu nodes exist in our > chandra mandala just as in every other chandra mandala. > > These form the seven pariDhi-s. pariDhi is the generic name > for anything that has a circumference. Thus, these pariDhi-s > include all shapes fitting the equation axx + byy + czz = d. > The 'edge' or 'surface' of each pariDhi is called antarikSa, > as the word itself implies. antarikSa is not static, it is > moving all the time, hence its aDhipati is called 'sarpa'. > > aDhipati of every mandala is a living entity, be manuSya, > ganDharva, pitr, or dEva-s, with birth and death. This goes > on all the time in the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 , "rahasyavadi <rahasyavadi@h...>" <rahasyavadi@h...> wrote: > Fascinating material! Thanks for posting it! > > Would you be able to cite which specific brahmana texts contain >this information? well, they dont explicitly mention this structure: Actually our shastra-s stop at Kalpa, manvantara cycles. But in nityapUja viDhi traditions, further cycles are hinted: Aditya mandalAya namaH | Aditya mandalADhipatayE brahmaNE namaH | sOma mandalAya namaH | sOma mandalADhipatayE viSNavE namaH | vahni mandalAya namaH | vahni mandalADhipatayE shivAya namaH | In special pUjA-s, paramESTi and prajApati mandala-s also remembered likewise. Here is our crack at them. The solar family, as it is spinning, is also going around our galactic center - it is the milkyway - called sOma mandala (no material connection to our moon - our galaxy is white too - also, sa+uma = sOma) - making one round in just over 10 of its ahoraatri cycles (about 250 million years). Thus looking from the center of our galaxy, this would be pretty fast revolution. But then our moon, with respect to earth, also goes almost just as fast, taking 27.4 of our day-night cycles. Shastra-s name sOma mandala's aDhipati as viSNu (not mahA viSNu). vahni mandala has our and neighborhood galaxies going around their center. This is the galaxy cluster or super galaxy of modern cosmology. Shiva (not para shiva) is the aDhipati here. paramESTi mandala has such galaxy clusters goind around their center. paramESTi prajApati is the adhipati here. prajApati mandala has many paramESTi mandala-s going around their center. There are 10 prajApati mandala-s in this universe, and 10 prajApati-s as aDhipati-s: marIchi, atri, angirasa, pulastya, kratu, prachEtasa, vasiSTa, BhR`gu, and nArada (MS 1-36). These prajApati mandala-s go around the center of the universe (hiraNyagarBha) and all make up the brahmAnda. It follows that there are numerous shiva-s, viSNu-s, and brahma-s. Many brahma-viSNu-shiva-s take birth and die within the creation cycle. Which nakSatra-s are in which paramESTi mandala-s? Each nakSatra's deva/devatA is just this notation, I suggest. RigvEda's shamvatIsUktam may just be a list of parmESTi mandalADhipati-s: indAgni, indrAvaruNa, indrAsOma, indrApUSaNa, Bhaga, puranDhi, rAya, aryama, purujAta, urUchI, adri, agni, mitrAnaruNa, ashvina, dau, priThivI, antarikSam, jiSNu, indra, vasu, Aditya, varuNa, rudra, shamBhu, tvastAgni, sOma, brahma, svarUNa, vEdi, sUrya, parvatA, sinDhu, Apa, aditi, maruta, arka, viSNu, pUSA, Bhavitra, vAyu, savitA, uSas, parjanya, pati, vishvadEvA, sarasvatI, aBhiSA, rAtiSA, pArThiva-s, apya-s, arvanta, gau, R`bhu, pitara, aja EkapAda, ahirbuDni, samudra, apAm, gOpa-s, yama, BhAratI... The svastinOmimItAm sUktam has all the deva/devata-s of nakshatra-s, as Prof. Narahri Achar recently suggested, see: ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF VEDIC STUDIES (EJVS), Vol. 6 (2000), issue 2 (December) http://www1.shore.net/~india/ejvs European mirror: http://www.asiatica.org or http://www.asiatica.org/publications/ejvs/ In all thus there are seven mandala-s (including our earth mandala and our moon mandala) - many smaller ones inside the bigger one(s). Veda-s call them as pariDhi-s: saptAsyAsan pariDhayaH - He made the seven pariDhi-s. triH sapta samiDhaH kR`tAH - in each pariDhi exist three samiDha-s: BhU, Bhuva, and suva. BhU is the manifest matter, Bhuva is the manifest energy, suva is the unmanifest. This in nutshell is Vedic cosmology. It has been weaved into our nityapUjA, sankalpa viDhi, and various other rituals. These discoveries came first, and rituals were devised later as teaching aids, just 1+1 = 2 was discovered first and abacus was devised later to teach it. Knowledge is not for the sake of mere knowing but to experience our innate happiness (aananda) and Divinity.... The Indology tribe and their secular counterparts, as I encounter in these , are a lost tribe in this sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Much thanks for your reply! I'll have questions after I digest some of this information. Now we're cooking! This is the kind of rahasya that this rahasyavadi is all about! , "venkateshwara_reddy <venkateshwara_reddy>" <venkateshwara_reddy> wrote: > , "rahasyavadi <rahasyavadi@h...>" > <rahasyavadi@h...> wrote: > > Fascinating material! Thanks for posting it! > > > > Would you be able to cite which specific brahmana texts contain > >this information? > > well, they dont explicitly mention this structure: > > > Actually our shastra-s stop at Kalpa, manvantara cycles. > > But in nityapUja viDhi traditions, further cycles are hinted: > > Aditya mandalAya namaH | > Aditya mandalADhipatayE brahmaNE namaH | > > sOma mandalAya namaH | > sOma mandalADhipatayE viSNavE namaH | > > vahni mandalAya namaH | > vahni mandalADhipatayE shivAya namaH | > > In special pUjA-s, paramESTi and prajApati mandala-s also > remembered likewise. > > Here is our crack at them. > > The solar family, as it is spinning, is also going around > our galactic center - it is the milkyway - called sOma > mandala (no material connection to our moon - our galaxy is > white too - also, sa+uma = sOma) - making one round in just > over 10 of its ahoraatri cycles (about 250 million years). > Thus looking from the center of our galaxy, this would be > pretty fast revolution. But then our moon, with respect to > earth, also goes almost just as fast, taking 27.4 of our > day-night cycles. Shastra-s name sOma mandala's aDhipati as > viSNu (not mahA viSNu). > > vahni mandala has our and neighborhood galaxies going around > their center. This is the galaxy cluster or super galaxy of > modern cosmology. Shiva (not para shiva) is the aDhipati > here. > > paramESTi mandala has such galaxy clusters goind around > their center. paramESTi prajApati is the adhipati here. > > prajApati mandala has many paramESTi mandala-s going around > their center. There are 10 prajApati mandala-s in this > universe, and 10 prajApati-s as aDhipati-s: marIchi, atri, > angirasa, pulastya, kratu, prachEtasa, vasiSTa, BhR`gu, and > nArada (MS 1-36). These prajApati mandala-s go around the > center of the universe (hiraNyagarBha) and all make up the > brahmAnda. > > > It follows that there are numerous shiva-s, viSNu-s, and > brahma-s. Many brahma-viSNu-shiva-s take birth and die > within the creation cycle. > > Which nakSatra-s are in which paramESTi mandala-s? Each > nakSatra's deva/devatA is just this notation, I suggest. > RigvEda's shamvatIsUktam may just be a list of parmESTi > mandalADhipati-s: > > indAgni, indrAvaruNa, indrAsOma, indrApUSaNa, Bhaga, > puranDhi, rAya, aryama, purujAta, urUchI, adri, agni, > mitrAnaruNa, ashvina, dau, priThivI, antarikSam, jiSNu, > indra, vasu, Aditya, varuNa, rudra, shamBhu, tvastAgni, > sOma, brahma, svarUNa, vEdi, sUrya, parvatA, sinDhu, Apa, > aditi, maruta, arka, viSNu, pUSA, Bhavitra, vAyu, savitA, > uSas, parjanya, pati, vishvadEvA, sarasvatI, aBhiSA, rAtiSA, > pArThiva-s, apya-s, arvanta, gau, R`bhu, pitara, aja > EkapAda, ahirbuDni, samudra, apAm, gOpa-s, yama, BhAratI... > > The svastinOmimItAm sUktam has all the deva/devata-s of > nakshatra-s, as Prof. Narahri Achar recently suggested, see: > ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF VEDIC STUDIES (EJVS), Vol. 6 (2000), > issue 2 (December) http://www1.shore.net/~india/ejvs > > European mirror: http://www.asiatica.org > > or http://www.asiatica.org/publications/ejvs/ > > > In all thus there are seven mandala-s (including our earth > mandala and our moon mandala) - many smaller ones inside the > bigger one(s). Veda-s call them as pariDhi-s: saptAsyAsan > pariDhayaH - He made the seven pariDhi-s. triH sapta > samiDhaH kR`tAH - in each pariDhi exist three samiDha-s: > BhU, Bhuva, and suva. BhU is the manifest matter, Bhuva is > the manifest energy, suva is the unmanifest. > > This in nutshell is Vedic cosmology. It has been weaved into > our nityapUjA, sankalpa viDhi, and various other rituals. > These discoveries came first, and rituals were devised later > as teaching aids, just 1+1 = 2 was discovered first and > abacus was devised later to teach it. > > Knowledge is not for the sake of mere knowing but to > experience our innate happiness (aananda) and Divinity.... > > The Indology tribe and their secular counterparts, as I > encounter in these , are a lost tribe in this sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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