Achyuta Gurukul] Shad darshan: additional Inquiry to deeper understanding

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Frank,

 

Yes, Ketu does have the power to exalt the Sun just like Ganesha namaskar

leads one to Shiva. Now whether Ketu is going to continue to be headleass or

whether it has aquired a head is the next question, and when.

Horse head- Hayagriva; Yajur Veda

Goat head - Ajaikapada; Sama Veda

Cow head - Go mukha (Nandiswara?) Rig Veda

Monkey head - Vanara mukha (Hanuman ji) Atharava Veda

Elephant head - Ganesha (Sarva Veda) That is why He always sits with Veda

Vyasa Muni. He likes good company and removes the effects of Saturn and

Rahu, preparing the ground for the rise of the atma (Hamsa).

 

As I said, it it the body of headless Ketu that matters or the head (SUN)

that is attached to it due to the prevalence of a particular tatva.

 

At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

I remain,

Sanjay Rath

Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, India

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Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:10 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Shad darshan: additional Inquiry to

deeper understanding

 

 

> Om Rum Rameshvaram Namaha,

> Namaskr Sanjayji,

>

> You have informed us of the following::::

> " Now, the Jyotish aspect: There are nine planets or nava-graha. Of

> these, the nodes are indicative of eclipses or darkness and lack of

> illumination. They tend to obstruct the path to knowledge in some

> manner or the other. Hence, in principle, they cannot rule any of

> the 'darshana' nor do they work for the Sun in this noble cause."

>

> Let me inquire on one item... you have taught in the past

> that Ketu can ( has the power) to exalt the Sun.

> Yet I am having difficulty reconsiling the this whith what you

> teach above...if Ketu can exalt Surya, does he not support

> the Sun's efforts for darshana vs. obstruct?

> How can one rationalize the two?

>

>

> Pranams.

> Frank

>

> , "Sanjay Rath" <daivagyna@s...>

> wrote:

> > OM GURAVE NAMAH

> > Dear Jyotisha,

> >

> > As usual there is confusion and speculation when the principles

> for the differentiation are not understood.

> > The word used is shad-darshana. Shad means six and darshana means

> to see or sight and refers to the body of knowledge that illumines

> the mind. Look at the basics: What is the source of all light and

> life? It is the Sun God and the sun alone is the source of all

> original light that is adequate enough to cause vision in the

> physical sence of the word and illumination in the spiritual sence

> of the term. Thus, the SUN is the governor of all the darshana and

> shall illumine different paths to the same God.

> >

> > Now, the Jyotish aspect: There are nine planets or nava-graha. Of

> these, the nodes are indicative of eclipses or darkness and lack of

> illumination. They tend to obstruct the path to knowledge in some

> manner or the other. Hence, in principle, they cannot rule any of

> the 'darshana' nor do they work for the Sun in this noble cause.

> Excluding the nodes, we have seven planets remaining of which the

> overall GOVERNOR for DARSHANA is the Sun. The Sun indicates the

> completeness of the knowledge or the perfection related to any body

> of knowledge. That is why Jaimini teaches " panchame surya gitagya"

> where the gita is the crux of all the different systems of knowledge

> to know Him. Having confirmed that the Sun is the final objective or

> the 'real' darshana, let us examine the remaining six planets from

> Moon to Saturn.

> >

> > Shad-Darshana

> > The shad-darshana are the six streams of philosophy that a person

> (of some intelligence) adopts in his spiritual path. In fact

> darshana refers to the knowledge or peculiar mode of thinking as

> well that shall illumine his path to God. The path to God is

> referred to as the DEVI or SHAKTI or the mother. In mantra-nyasa,

> this is SHAKTI nyasa is doe on the feet so that the path is not

> changed and this is the real meaning of the word Durga as derived

> from "Durgati-nashinyai" or the one Who removes us from the wrong

> path and takes us to the right path towards God realisation. For

> example, the aspirants of Krishna worship Radha as the mother and

> when Krishna takes the vesha of Jagannatha, then She is Gundicha or

> Vimala. Every mantra must have a shakti and the nyasa of the shakti

> at the feet is important for the 'gati' or movement towards God

> realisation.

> > Moon - Sankhya shastra

> > Mars - Nyaya shastra

> > Mercury - Mimamsa shastra

> > Jupiter - Veda shastra

> > Venus - Vaiseshika shastra

> > Saturn - Yoga shastra

> >

> > For the sake of good record, the five crucial nyasa are:

> > 1) RISHI at the head,

> > 2) CHANNDA/metre or vibration in the mouth (Gayatri/Matrika),

> > 3) DEVATA or deity (form or formless God as described by the

> mantra) in the heart,

> > 4) BIJA or the seed syllable that causes creation in the Linga

> (Brahma (worship prohibited and hence Shiva Linga) and,

> > 5) SHAKTI (Devi/Durgati-nashinyai/Mother/Prakriti) at the feet

> > The shad-darshana are meaningless if (a) your head cannot reason

> clearly being enraged by rajas or depressed by tamas thoughts, (b)

> your mouth does not have the sweetness of the beautiful channda like

> the Gayatri, © your heart has no place for the few souls in this

> planet - what to speak of the omni-present Bhagavan Vishnu, (d) if

> your linga cannot create anything worthwhile for this samsara

> (world) and (e) your feet do not take you to the right people at the

> right place and at the right time for the right yoga.

> >

> > Test yourself: List out the nyasa for the following mantra:

> > Q1. (a) the maha-mantra kirtana: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna

> Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare; (b)

> Vasudeva dwadasakshari mantra: Om namo bhagavate vasudevaaya; ©

> Isana Panchakshari: namah Shivaya (d) Mrityunjaya Mantra, and (d)

> Gayatri mantra. I have given simple and well known mantra and this

> should be easy.

> > Q2. There are five parts of the mantra for which nyasa is

> performed as indicated above and these are five tatwas. Match one

> tatwa to each of the mantra parts/nyasa.

> > Q3. There are five main deities in Hinduism. These are the panca-

> devata: Surya, Ganesha, Vishnu, Siva and Shakti. Link each of the

> devata to one Tatwa, and then the tatwa to one of the nyasa. Why is

> the worship of the pancha devata considered essential in Hinduism?

> >

> > Coming back to shad-darshana, let us take an example. Can Jyotish

> be considered a shad-darshana, and if so, which darshana does it

> signify and how? Extracts from Vedic remedies in Astrology by this

> scribe: " Some people have expressed the opinion that Jyotish is not

> a vedanga and that the word " Vedic" is a misnomer. The six

> important parts of the Vedas are personified as its feet, face,

> hands, eyes, nose and ears. Chandas, vyakarana, kalpa, jyotish,

> siksha and nirukta represent these respectively. In the next stanza,

> prasna marga adds that since jyotish (Astrology) is the eye of the

> Vedas it is given the highest pedestal. Thus, there is no further

> doubt that jyotish is a vedanga." Thus, Jyotish is a part of the

> Veda and the largest part as Sankaracharya has referred to it as the

> ocean of knowledge. As per the list above, this should be ruled by

> Jupiter. Jupiter also rules the 'Akash Tatwa'. It is for this reason

> that Harihara advises that Jupiter should be placed in Lagna at the

> muhurta when a person begins the study of Jyotish. Thus, if a person

> is seeking a muhurta to start studying sankhya shastra, then the

> Moon should be strong, or preferably in Lagna. A person should have

> Mars strong in Lagna at the time of commencing studies in Law or at

> the time of going to war, else the effort shall fail.

> >

> > Yoga

> > As a darshana, it refers to Hatha yoga and to Ayurveda which are

> related to longevity increase and good health (ruled by positive

> Saturn). In fact Saturn in the negative shows diseases and poor

> personal care for the body. However, the Yoga discussed as a subject

> matter of Vedanta in the Gita is different. Here, the knowledge of

> the Bhagavat Gita is ruled by the Sun as indicated by Jaimini and

> also in the words of Sri Krishna. Here again, the Sun becomes the

> Governor and decides as to whether the Yoga shall begin at all and

> if so, when. The Moon is the sustainer of the Yoga as it shows the

> bonding between two. This has been explicitly stated by Kalyana

> Verma (Saravali).

> >

> > I shall leave it here and let the discussion continue on Yoga

> continue.

> >

> > At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

> > I remain,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091,

> India

> > Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org;

> Personal Web: http://srath.com

> >

> > vedic astrology, Gauranga Das

> <gauranga@b...> wrote:

> > > JAYA JAGANNATHA!

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha and members,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Some years ago we had a discussion on Varahamihira list on

> mapping the

> > > Sad0darshana to planets.

> > >

> > > As far as I remember, also recollecting from the present posts,

> the list was

> > > as follows:

> > >

> > > Sun-

> > > Moon- Saamkhya

> > > Mars- Nyaaya

> > > Mercury-Mimamsa

> > > Jupiter - Vedanta

> > > Venus - Vaisesika

> > > Saturn - Yoga

> > > Rahu&Ketu - Tamasik, Tantrik and unorthodox philosophy

> > >

> > > So the Sun in tha bove mapping is left out. Whats should we

> think about it?

> > >

> > > Karma-yoga Saturn, Mars

> > > Jnana-yoga Jupiter, Sun

> > > Bhakti-yoga Moon and Venus (I would put Moon for Krishna-bhakti

> and Venus

> > > for Devata-upasana)

> > >

> > > What may be the specific differences between Saturn and Mars in

> karma, or

> > > Jupiter and Sun in Jnaana?

> > > My idea is that there's two aspects of Karma, i.e. the drive to

> do it, the

> > > activity (Mars) and the renuncation of it or its fruits

> (Saturn). Also in

> > > Jnaana, there's two basic conclusions: the monistic (Sun) and

> the dualistic

> > > (Jupiter). so the Jnaani either gets to the conclusion that he

> is one with

> > > God (Sun) or that he is the eternal servant of God (Jupiter the

> Jeeva which

> > > is exalted in Cancer indicating Krishna). On the other hand Moon

> is exalted

> > > in Taurus which indicates the nature of relationship-bhakti. We

> might remark

> > > that Bhagavan Sri Krishna had Taurus Lagna with an exalted Moon

> in it, while

> > > Venus in the 4th which is Sri Caitanya's Lagna is Leo with the

> Moon and Ketu

> > > in it. On the other hand Bhagavan Sri Rama's Lagna is Cancer

> with Moon and

> > > Jupiter in it. So all of this maps well together.

> > >

> > > Comments please.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > >

> > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> > > gauranga@b...

> > > Jyotish Remedies:

> > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

> > > Phone:+36-309-140-839

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:34 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Spiritual paths from D-20 (To

> Siva)

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Siva,

> > > >

> > > > > Vyam Vyasa-devaya Namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear PVRji,

> > > > > That was a very informative post.

> > > > > The following is my extrapolation from your post coupled

> with my own

> > > > > general understandings. Please verify/correct and add more

> comments

> > > > > as appropritate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Guru, Sukra and Budh stand for philosophical approach, while

> > > > > representing different paths - but the methodology is

> philosophical

> > > > > or gnana yoga. Isnt mercury a significator for

> > > > > meditation/contemplation?

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn stands for Raja yoga or tapas (Patanjali yoga sutras

> and/or

> > > > > tapas/sanyas).

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu - may be nyaya or no fully immersed in materialism.

> > > >

> > > > Mars stands for Nyaya. Rahu shows tamasik forms, ranging from

> materialism

> > > to

> > > > several schools of tantra.

> > > >

> > > > > Ketu - mystic experiences? (under special conditions grantor

> of

> > > > > moksha?)

> > > >

> > > > Rahu and Ketu are always together in D-20.

> > > >

> > > > > Mars - shows some aggression in the path. Depending on

> influence of

> > > > > other grahas mentioned above - E.g, Mars + Saturn - severe

> penance,

> > > > > etc.

> > > >

> > > > Right. Mars also shows rationalism, along with Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Mars shows nyaya style rationalism (draw quick conclusions)

> and Mercury

> > > > shows mimamsa style rationalism (extremely profound, but very

> few

> > > > conclusions).

> > > >

> > > > > Moon - Bhakti marg???? or yoga???

> > > >

> > > > Moon shows Sankhya sastra as taught by Kapil and Krishna too.

> He also

> > > shows

> > > > bhakti yoga.

> > > >

> > > > > What role does lagna, lagnadhipathi, AL play in D-20?

> > > >

> > > > The normal role they have in all charts. Lagna shows self. If

> you want to

> > > > know family deity, village deity etc or see one's teachers

> etc, use lagna

> > > as

> > > > the references. Paka lagna (rasi containing lagna lord) shows

> the

> > > spiritual

> > > > aspect of the intellect (consciousness). AK shows the soul

> (which operates

> > > > above the mind and the intellect). AL shows the image one has

> in world

> > > (for

> > > > spiritual activities).

> > > >

> > > > Take Swami Jayendra Saraswati for example. In D-20, he had

> lagna in Vi,

> > > paka

> > > > lagna in Ar with Mars and Mercury and AL in Sc with Saturn.

> Paka lagna in

> > > > Aries with Mars-Mercury combo shows that he had an extremely

> sharp and

> > > smart

> > > > intelliect when it comes to spirituality. AL in Scorpio shows a

> > > Brahminical

> > > > image. Saturn in AL shows the austere image of a renunciate.

> AL is all

> > > about

> > > > image. Paka Lagna is all about intellect. Under the image of

> that monk lay

> > > > an intellect that was very sharp, quick and thirsty for more

> knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > > What about Karma yoga? - should that be determined by Saturn

> also

> > > > > (as saturn stands for karma).

> > > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > > Karma yoga is shown mainly by Saturn and Mars. Gnyaana yoga is

> shown

> > > mainly

> > > > by Jupiter and Sun. Bhakti yoga is shown mainly by Moon and

> Venus.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, Mercury is versatile and can fit in all! :-)

> > > >

> > > > In addition, Mimamsa approach is shown by Mercury, Vedanta

> approach is

> > > shown

> > > > by Jupiter, Vaiseshika approach is shown by Venus, Sankhya

> approach is

> > > shown

> > > > by Moon, Nyaya approach is shown by Mars, Yoga approach is

> shown by Saturn

> > > > and many tamasik approaches including dark Tantras etc are

> shown by nodes.

> > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > -Siva.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > > >

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