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Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

Dear Sarajit,

 

My wife, who is a Gynecologist & Obstetrician, tells me that the

Umbilical card is cut, only after the pulsations in the Cord cease.

That is to maximise the flow of vital nutrients/fluids to the baby.

 

The birth time could only be based on a natural event like that. This

explains, that if the doctor/midwife delays the cut for any other

reason, the birth time will still remain on the exact time of

ceasure of pulsations.

 

Hope this explains further, your comment about Lagna & independent

existence!

 

Regards

viswanadham

, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...>

wrote:

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Chandramukha Das,

>

> The question is if not the cutting of the umbilical cord, then

which

> time. If you logically analyse the issue, we can judge, what should

be

> the birth time.

>

> If we see that birth is the process, which starts with the union

the

> parents, fertilization of the egg, embedding of the ferilised egg

on

> the endomatrium, growing of the embryo, coming out the the grown

baby

> from the uterus, cutting of the umbilical cord. We see that there

are

> more than one significant event in the process and each can be used

for

> some or other purpose. However, what is important is a generic

> proposition which applies to all the cases and which is without

> ambiguity.

>

> Now, I shall concentrate only on the birth time. Now what happens

with

> the birth. What comes into picture, which was not there before.

What

> comes into existence astrologically. The answer is unanimously the

> coming of Lagna into existence. You see that Lagna only shows your

> independent existence. In the whole process, you have been a part

of

> the mother. You have been living on the blood and minerals supplied

by

> the Mother through the umbilical cord. You becomes Independent

(your

> Lagna takes over), only when the you become independent from the

> Mothers body. Otherwise you are nothing but an organ/ appendage of

the

> mother's body. So the coming out of the head, first crying etc.

cannot

> be a time which can show the independent existence of yourself

(Lagna).

>

> When you are there in the womb as a part of the mothers body, you

had

> both the Sun (soul) and Moon (mind), however, what you didn't have

was

> the Lagna for yourself. So the coming of the Lagna indicates the

real

> birth time.

>

> Hope, I could clear some clouds over this issue.

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Hare Krishna!

> > Dear Jyotisha,

> > We had discussion in Russia among astrologer,and there was some

doubt

> > concerning the beginning of birth time. Sanjayaji teaches, that

birth

> > time is considered from cutting nevel, but sometimes especial in

the

> > last time, meets that the child been born can lay with not cutting

> > nevel till 1 hour. Is acceptably consider in that case beginning

of

> > birth time from cutting nevel?

> >

> > --

> > Your sishya,

> > Chandramukha das

> >

> >

> > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

> > Send a blank mail

> > To : -

> > To :

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

>

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Viswanatham,

 

Thanks a lot for providing this information. However, we can't take the

ceasation of pulsation as the time of birth. Unless the umbilical cord is

cut, the child is not in independent existence. Like other organs such as

heart or liver, which are attached to the body, they are said to be

independent on their own, only when it is severed from the body. Even if the

blood flow stops to the liver, it still remains to be a part of the whole

body.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

 

-

<vishwanatham

<>

Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:31 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Birth Time & cutting a navel

 

 

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

>

> Dear Sarajit,

>

> My wife, who is a Gynecologist & Obstetrician, tells me that the

> Umbilical card is cut, only after the pulsations in the Cord cease.

> That is to maximise the flow of vital nutrients/fluids to the baby.

>

> The birth time could only be based on a natural event like that. This

> explains, that if the doctor/midwife delays the cut for any other

> reason, the birth time will still remain on the exact time of

> ceasure of pulsations.

>

> Hope this explains further, your comment about Lagna & independent

> existence!

>

> Regards

> viswanadham

> , "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...>

> wrote:

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Chandramukha Das,

> >

> > The question is if not the cutting of the umbilical cord, then

> which

> > time. If you logically analyse the issue, we can judge, what should

> be

> > the birth time.

> >

> > If we see that birth is the process, which starts with the union

> the

> > parents, fertilization of the egg, embedding of the ferilised egg

> on

> > the endomatrium, growing of the embryo, coming out the the grown

> baby

> > from the uterus, cutting of the umbilical cord. We see that there

> are

> > more than one significant event in the process and each can be used

> for

> > some or other purpose. However, what is important is a generic

> > proposition which applies to all the cases and which is without

> > ambiguity.

> >

> > Now, I shall concentrate only on the birth time. Now what happens

> with

> > the birth. What comes into picture, which was not there before.

> What

> > comes into existence astrologically. The answer is unanimously the

> > coming of Lagna into existence. You see that Lagna only shows your

> > independent existence. In the whole process, you have been a part

> of

> > the mother. You have been living on the blood and minerals supplied

> by

> > the Mother through the umbilical cord. You becomes Independent

> (your

> > Lagna takes over), only when the you become independent from the

> > Mothers body. Otherwise you are nothing but an organ/ appendage of

> the

> > mother's body. So the coming out of the head, first crying etc.

> cannot

> > be a time which can show the independent existence of yourself

> (Lagna).

> >

> > When you are there in the womb as a part of the mothers body, you

> had

> > both the Sun (soul) and Moon (mind), however, what you didn't have

> was

> > the Lagna for yourself. So the coming of the Lagna indicates the

> real

> > birth time.

> >

> > Hope, I could clear some clouds over this issue.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Sarajit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hare Krishna!

> > > Dear Jyotisha,

> > > We had discussion in Russia among astrologer,and there was some

> doubt

> > > concerning the beginning of birth time. Sanjayaji teaches, that

> birth

> > > time is considered from cutting nevel, but sometimes especial in

> the

> > > last time, meets that the child been born can lay with not cutting

> > > nevel till 1 hour. Is acceptably consider in that case beginning

> of

> > > birth time from cutting nevel?

> > >

> > > --

> > > Your sishya,

> > > Chandramukha das

> > >

> > >

> > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

> > > Send a blank mail

> > > To : -

> > > To :

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

>

> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

> Send a blank mail

> To : -

> To :

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Sarajit,

 

i seem to follow your line of thought. The example of 'Lever' caused

some confusion here. Does any organ in our body have an independent

existence from the body? From that point of view the coming to

independent existence of an infant from its mother seems to be

different.

 

Anyway, my thoughts on birth & death are incomplete. i think it is

useful to know what is death first.

 

Can anyone throw some light on what is death of human body, when it

is supposed to have occured?

 

Regards

viswanadham

 

, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...>

wrote:

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Viswanatham,

>

> Thanks a lot for providing this information. However, we can't take

the

> ceasation of pulsation as the time of birth. Unless the umbilical

cord is

> cut, the child is not in independent existence. Like other organs

such as

> heart or liver, which are attached to the body, they are said to be

> independent on their own, only when it is severed from the body.

Even if the

> blood flow stops to the liver, it still remains to be a part of the

whole

> body.

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

>

>

> -

> <vishwanatham@r...>

> <>

> Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:31 AM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Birth Time & cutting a navel

>

>

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> >

> > Dear Sarajit,

> >

> > My wife, who is a Gynecologist & Obstetrician, tells me that the

> > Umbilical card is cut, only after the pulsations in the Cord

cease.

> > That is to maximise the flow of vital nutrients/fluids to the

baby.

> >

> > The birth time could only be based on a natural event like that.

This

> > explains, that if the doctor/midwife delays the cut for any other

> > reason, the birth time will still remain on the exact time of

> > ceasure of pulsations.

> >

> > Hope this explains further, your comment about Lagna & independent

> > existence!

> >

> > Regards

> > viswanadham

> > , "Sarajit Poddar"

<sarajit@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > Dear Chandramukha Das,

> > >

> > > The question is if not the cutting of the umbilical cord, then

> > which

> > > time. If you logically analyse the issue, we can judge, what

should

> > be

> > > the birth time.

> > >

> > > If we see that birth is the process, which starts with the union

> > the

> > > parents, fertilization of the egg, embedding of the ferilised

egg

> > on

> > > the endomatrium, growing of the embryo, coming out the the grown

> > baby

> > > from the uterus, cutting of the umbilical cord. We see that

there

> > are

> > > more than one significant event in the process and each can be

used

> > for

> > > some or other purpose. However, what is important is a generic

> > > proposition which applies to all the cases and which is without

> > > ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Now, I shall concentrate only on the birth time. Now what

happens

> > with

> > > the birth. What comes into picture, which was not there before.

> > What

> > > comes into existence astrologically. The answer is unanimously

the

> > > coming of Lagna into existence. You see that Lagna only shows

your

> > > independent existence. In the whole process, you have been a

part

> > of

> > > the mother. You have been living on the blood and minerals

supplied

> > by

> > > the Mother through the umbilical cord. You becomes Independent

> > (your

> > > Lagna takes over), only when the you become independent from the

> > > Mothers body. Otherwise you are nothing but an organ/ appendage

of

> > the

> > > mother's body. So the coming out of the head, first crying etc.

> > cannot

> > > be a time which can show the independent existence of yourself

> > (Lagna).

> > >

> > > When you are there in the womb as a part of the mothers body,

you

> > had

> > > both the Sun (soul) and Moon (mind), however, what you didn't

have

> > was

> > > the Lagna for yourself. So the coming of the Lagna indicates the

> > real

> > > birth time.

> > >

> > > Hope, I could clear some clouds over this issue.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hare Krishna!

> > > > Dear Jyotisha,

> > > > We had discussion in Russia among astrologer,and there was

some

> > doubt

> > > > concerning the beginning of birth time. Sanjayaji teaches,

that

> > birth

> > > > time is considered from cutting nevel, but sometimes especial

in

> > the

> > > > last time, meets that the child been born can lay with not

cutting

> > > > nevel till 1 hour. Is acceptably consider in that case

beginning

> > of

> > > > birth time from cutting nevel?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Your sishya,

> > > > Chandramukha das

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

> > > > Send a blank mail

> > > > To : -

> > > > To :

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> > >

> >

> >

> > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

> > Send a blank mail

> > To : -

> > To :

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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