[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

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Dear Swee and other gurus,

What to predict if contrary indications are obtained in the charts

of male and female.

 

For example, lets assume

 

M- F- F- M for male native and

M- M- M- F for female native.

 

Does this mean they will have only one child since only the sex of

first child is the same for both or should we consider the strength

of concerned lords in both charts?

 

There are many combinations given in classics - by having copulation

during calculared muhurtas, a child of desired sex can be had. Also

there are remedies mentioned in BPHS (for curse of father/mother,

etc which might result in lack of male child).

 

Has this technique been verified on a large sample space of charts

to claim accuracy? If this is 100% accurate, then I will have to

assume that the muhurta calculations for desired progeny and

remedies given in BPHS for male children are incorrect.

 

Someone please clarify.

 

thanks,

Siva.

 

, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote:

> Dear Sai,

>

> Namaste

>

>

> saikumar [astrossk]

> Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:53 AM

>

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

>

> Namasthe Swee and All,

>

> This is what I have on Saptamsa from the list.

>

> "If the Saptamsa Lagna is odd, then the first child is

> seen from the 5th house/lord and count every 3rd from

> the 5th house; i.e. 1st child: 5th house, 2nd child:

> 7th house, 3rd child: 9th, etc etc(5, 7, 9, 11, 1),

> following the order of Mandooka Ghati. Study the

> Mandooka Dasa in BPHS and Jaimini's Upadesa to

> understand this Dasa.

>

> Similarly if the Saptamsa lagna is even count in

> reverse, starting from the 9th house(9, 7, 5, 3, 1)."

>

> Should we consider this or ignore this has always been

> the dilemma for me.

>

> Thanks in advance for any clarifications.

>

> Sai

>

> Yes, verify this from the Saptamsa.... an excellent study of my

Saptamsa in

> Hyderabad by Sanjay Guru. He was the only person who correctly

identified

> and described my children from my chart after rectification. (1

other I

> tried the previous day, did not succeed.) More below:

>

> Best wishes, Swee

>

>

> For a male nativity, subsequent children are determined from the

lords of

> every 3rd house from the fifth, in direct order, i.e. the second

child 7th

> house lord third child from 9th house lord and fourth child from

11th house

> lord and so on whereas, for a female nativity, subsequent children

are

> determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the ninth, in

reverse

> order. i.e. the second child from 7th house lord, third child from

5th lord

> and fourth child from 3rd lord and so on.

> A male child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, (a) placed

in an odd

> sign or, Cancer or Pisces OR *(b) exalted or conjoins exalted

planets, or

> *© conjunct the Sun, Jupiter, Mars or Rahu (considered male

planets).

> A female child is predicted, if the lord of the child is,

> (a) placed in an even sign, Gemini or Aquarius, OR

> (b) debilitated or conjoins debilitated planets, or

> © conjunct the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Ketu (Considered feminine

planets) or

> Saturn ( Napumsaka also)

> The sign occupied by the 5th, 7th etc Lords should be treated as

the Lagna

> of individual

> children. Take the lord as the Lagna of specific children and

predict

> fortune as per dasa's.

>

>

> --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Chadrashekhar and Sanjay,

> >

> > The lesson is given by Sanjay Guru, of which I will

> > give the excerpt here.

> >

> > This article is restricted to progeny only.

> > SEX DETERMINATION

> > There are certain simple rules that govern the sex

> > determination of the

> > children.

> > For a male nativity, the first child is determined

> > by the lord of the 5th

> > house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female

> > nativity, the first child is

> > determined from the lord of the 9th house from

> > Saptamsa Lagna.

> >

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Swee

> >

> >

> >

> > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> > [sprabhakaran@s...]

> > Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:03 AM

> >

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> > Achyuta Gurukul]

> > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

> > || Om Sri Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekar,

> >

> > > You have said in male chart 5th refers to child

> > and 9th in female

> > chart. I would like to know the text where this is

> > mentioned so that

> > I can update my konwledge. I have not found any

> > reference to

> > reversing houses for female charts.

> >

> > I am saying this from what is taught to me. I will

> > try to search for

> > reference if I will pass it when I find.

> >

> > >Does this mean that 3rd would be Aya sthana for a

> > female and 10th

> > Matrusthana which should happen by the reasoning you

> > gave ?

> >

> > NO. Ayu and mother are same whether you are male or

> > female. But

> > childbirth is different. Things which apply to both

> > sex should be

> > seen the same way.

> >

> > > Perhaps you are refering to Saptamsha charts and

> > not natal chart

> > that I was refering to.

> >

> > Yes, saptamsa is seen to for each child.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > S. Prabhakaran

> >

> >

> >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:53 PM

> > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

> > Gurukul] RE:Lagna

> > lord in 5th house

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Sri Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashakar,

> > >

> > > > Would not Sun in 5th with Mars and Jupiter in

> > 9th for Aires

> > > ascendant qualify for the shloka I have cited?

> > >

> > > Yes this may qualify. Look into saptamasa and

> > shadbala strength

> > of

> > > Jupiter to cross verify.

> > >

> > > > As for the original topic,there is a line o

> > thought which

> > > calculates the first born amongst relatives from

> > the designated

> > Bhava

> > > from Ascendant the next born from the Bhava at

> > same no. of Bhava

> > from

> > > designated bhava and so on. So first born will

> > be indicated by

> > 5th

> > > Bhava the second born by 9th house(5th from 5th)

> > and so on. This

> > > could be the key to the riddle that is being

> > sought.

> > >

> > > NO!. that way you are calculating childs child.

> > (Anyway for

> > childs

> > > child i.e grandchild you should use child's lord

> > as lagna).

> > > Else some basics like bhavat bhavam will be

> > violated.

> > > 9th house is third child. for male chart use

> > 5,7,9 etc jump 3

> > houses

> > > in Saptamsa as the next child a younger sibling!

> > >

> > > The 5th is controlling house for children in

> > male chart and 9th

> > house

> > > for females. The sequence is reversed for FEMALE

> > CHARTS

> > >

> > > Warm Regards.

> > > S. Prabhakaran

> > >

> > >

> > > > My poser was just to illustrate the fact that

> > yogas in shlokas

> > are

> > > not to be taken verbatim but the principle

> > behind the yogas

> > should be

> > > understood in order to arrive at correct import

> > of the sages.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > >

> > > > Monday, January 06, 2003 5:38 AM

> > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> > Achyuta Gurukul]

> > RE:Lagna

> > > lord in 5th house

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > > > That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can

> > surely give the

> > children

> > > under the circumstances below. Yet the question

> > was about the 1st

> > > child..

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Zoran

> > > > Chandrashekhar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,Zoran and other Learned

> > Jyotishis,If I may

> > > intervene,Jataka Parijat says in the chapter of

> > Bhavaphala-5th-

> > 6th

> > > Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly beget a

> > Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh

> > > (Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord of the 5th

> > is strong and

> > Jupiter

> > > is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:18 PM

> > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> > Achyuta Gurukul]

> > > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> -------------------------------

> > ----

> > > ------

> > > > Dear Zoran, "Progenic bliss is not

> > assured, and the first

> > > child could be lost"

> > > > Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of

> > Mangal (mesh is the

> > first

> > > rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a

> > Mangal could lessen

> > the

> > > progenic bliss, as well as take the first child

> > which is

> >

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