RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

January 7, 2003

Namasthe Swee and All,

This is what I have on Saptamsa from the list.

"If the Saptamsa Lagna is odd, then the first child is

seen from the 5th house/lord and count every 3rd from

the 5th house; i.e. 1st child: 5th house, 2nd child:

7th house, 3rd child: 9th, etc etc(5, 7, 9, 11, 1),

following the order of Mandooka Ghati. Study the

Mandooka Dasa in BPHS and Jaimini's Upadesa to

understand this Dasa.

Similarly if the Saptamsa lagna is even count in

reverse, starting from the 9th house(9, 7, 5, 3, 1)."

Should we consider this or ignore this has always been

the dilemma for me.

Thanks in advance for any clarifications.

Sai

--- Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Chadrashekhar and Sanjay,

>

> The lesson is given by Sanjay Guru, of which I will

> give the excerpt here.

>

> This article is restricted to progeny only.

> SEX DETERMINATION

> There are certain simple rules that govern the sex

> determination of the

> children.

> For a male nativity, the first child is determined

> by the lord of the 5th

> house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female

> nativity, the first child is

> determined from the lord of the 9th house from

> Saptamsa Lagna.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Swee

>

> sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran

> [sprabhakaran]

> Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:03 AM

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> Achyuta Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

>

> || Om Sri Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Chandrashekar,

>

> > You have said in male chart 5th refers to child

> and 9th in female

> chart. I would like to know the text where this is

> mentioned so that

> I can update my konwledge. I have not found any

> reference to

> reversing houses for female charts.

>

> I am saying this from what is taught to me. I will

> try to search for

> reference if I will pass it when I find.

>

> >Does this mean that 3rd would be Aya sthana for a

> female and 10th

> Matrusthana which should happen by the reasoning you

> gave ?

>

> NO. Ayu and mother are same whether you are male or

> female. But

> childbirth is different. Things which apply to both

> sex should be

> seen the same way.

>

> > Perhaps you are refering to Saptamsha charts and

> not natal chart

> that I was refering to.

>

> Yes, saptamsa is seen to for each child.

>

> Warm Regards,

> S. Prabhakaran

>

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> >

> > Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:53 PM

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

> Gurukul] RE:Lagna

> lord in 5th house

> >

> > Om Sri Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Chandrashakar,

> >

> > > Would not Sun in 5th with Mars and Jupiter in

> 9th for Aires

> > ascendant qualify for the shloka I have cited?

> >

> > Yes this may qualify. Look into saptamasa and

> shadbala strength

> of

> > Jupiter to cross verify.

> >

> > > As for the original topic,there is a line o

> thought which

> > calculates the first born amongst relatives from

> the designated

> Bhava

> > from Ascendant the next born from the Bhava at

> same no. of Bhava

> from

> > designated bhava and so on. So first born will

> be indicated by

> 5th

> > Bhava the second born by 9th house(5th from 5th)

> and so on. This

> > could be the key to the riddle that is being

> sought.

> >

> > NO!. that way you are calculating childs child.

> (Anyway for

> childs

> > child i.e grandchild you should use child's lord

> as lagna).

> > Else some basics like bhavat bhavam will be

> violated.

> > 9th house is third child. for male chart use

> 5,7,9 etc jump 3

> houses

> > in Saptamsa as the next child a younger sibling!

> >

> > The 5th is controlling house for children in

> male chart and 9th

> house

> > for females. The sequence is reversed for FEMALE

> CHARTS

> >

> > Warm Regards.

> > S. Prabhakaran

> >

> > > My poser was just to illustrate the fact that

> yogas in shlokas

> are

> > not to be taken verbatim but the principle

> behind the yogas

> should be

> > understood in order to arrive at correct import

> of the sages.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > >

> > > Monday, January 06, 2003 5:38 AM

> > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> Achyuta Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna

> > lord in 5th house

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > > That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can

> surely give the

> children

> > under the circumstances below. Yet the question

> was about the 1st

> > child..

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran

> > > Chandrashekhar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,Zoran and other Learned

> Jyotishis,If I may

> > intervene,Jataka Parijat says in the chapter of

> Bhavaphala-5th-

> 6th

> > Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly beget a

> Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh

> > (Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord of the 5th

> is strong and

> Jupiter

> > is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:18 PM

> > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> Achyuta Gurukul]

> > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

>

-------------------------------

> ----

> > ------

> > > Dear Zoran, "Progenic bliss is not

> assured, and the first

> > child could be lost"

> > > Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of

> Mangal (mesh is the

> first

> > rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a

> Mangal could lessen

> the

> > progenic bliss, as well as take the first child

> which is

>

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January 8, 2003

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear

Chadrashekhar and Sanjay,

The

lesson is given by Sanjay Guru, of which I will give the excerpt here.

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child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from Saptamsa Lagna.

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Namaste,

Swee

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sanjayprabhakaran

<sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com> [sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com]

Wednesday, January 08, 2003

3:03 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

|| Om Sri Gurave

Namah ||

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Dear Chandrashekar,

> You have said in male chart 5th refers to child and 9th in female

chart. I would like to know the text where this is mentioned so that

I can update my konwledge. I have not found any reference to

reversing houses for female charts.

I am saying this from what is taught to me. I will try to search for

reference if I will pass it when I find.

>Does this mean that 3rd would be Aya sthana for a female and 10th

Matrusthana which should happen by the reasoning you gave ?

NO. Ayu and mother are same whether you are male or female. But

childbirth is different. Things which apply to both sex should be

seen the same way.

> Perhaps you are refering to Saptamsha charts and not natal chart

that I was refering to.

Yes, saptamsa is seen to for each child.

Warm Regards,

S. Prabhakaran

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

>

> Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:53 PM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

RE:Lagna

lord in 5th house

>

> Om Sri Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Chandrashakar,

>

> > Would not Sun in 5th with Mars and Jupiter in

9th for Aires

> ascendant qualify for the shloka I have cited?

>

> Yes this may qualify. Look into saptamasa and shadbala

strength

of

> Jupiter to cross verify.

>

> > As for the original topic,there is a line o thought

which

> calculates the first born amongst relatives from the

designated

Bhava

> from Ascendant the next born from the Bhava at same no. of

Bhava

from

> designated bhava and so on. So first born will be

indicated by

5th

> Bhava the second born by 9th house(5th from 5th) and so

on. This

> could be the key to the riddle that is being sought.

>

> NO!. that way you are calculating childs child. (Anyway

for

childs

> child i.e grandchild you should use child's lord as

lagna).

> Else some basics like bhavat bhavam will be violated.

> 9th house is third child. for male chart use 5,7,9 etc

jump 3

houses

> in Saptamsa as the next child a younger sibling!

>

> The 5th is controlling house for children in male chart

and 9th

house

> for females. The sequence is reversed for FEMALE CHARTS

>

> Warm Regards.

> S. Prabhakaran

>

> > My poser was just to illustrate the fact that yogas

in shlokas

are

> not to be taken verbatim but the principle behind the

yogas

should be

> understood in order to arrive at correct import of the

sages.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > Zoran Radosavljevic

> >

> > Monday, January 06, 2003 5:38 AM

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

Achyuta Gurukul]

RE:Lagna

> lord in 5th house

> >

> > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can

surely give the

children

> under the circumstances below. Yet the question was about

the 1st

> child..

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran

> > Chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,Zoran and

other Learned Jyotishis,If I may

> intervene,Jataka Parijat says in the chapter of

Bhavaphala-5th-

6th

> Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly beget a

Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh

> (Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord of the 5th is strong

and

Jupiter

> is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.

> > ----- Original

Message -----

> > Visti

Larsen

> > To:

> > Saturday,

January 04, 2003 9:18 PM

> > Re:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > -------------------------------

----

> ------

> > Dear Zoran,

"Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first

> child could be lost"

> > Zoran: Lagnesh

carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the

first

> rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could

lessen

the

> progenic bliss, as well as take the first child which is

particulalry

> signified by the 5th houseActually the Sun is Karaka for

Lagna,

and

> Sun in the 5th house can cause miscarriages. The reason is

that

the

> Agni of the Sun and the water needed to sustain

childbirths,

cause

> dryness or excess heat, which results in miscarriages,

similar to

the

> effects of planets being in Gandanta. Similarly Mars in

the 5th

can

> cause miscarriages due to excess bleeding. As for

blessings from

> elders, Arudha Lagna in the 9th is enough for this. Best

wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara

Hora Shastra:

> vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > -----

Original Message -----

> >

Zoran Radosavljevic

> > To:

> > Sent:

Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:11 PM

> >

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > Dear

Visti and other members,

> > I

shall try to explain why these influences as given to

> Parashara:

>

> Dear

Sarajit,The results of the Lagna lord in the

5th

> house are repeated as follows: "Progenic bliss is not

assured,

and

> the first child could be lost. The native is honourable,

friendly,

> short-tempered and a favorite of the rulers, but tends to

serve

> others." Best wishes

>

> Visti-

> >

"Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child

could

> be lost"

> >

Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the

> first rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal

could

lessen

> the progenic bliss, as well as take the first child which

is

> particulalry signified by the 5th house

> >

" The native is honorable"

> >

Zoran: 5th lord in a natural zodiac belongs to Surya

while

> Karaka is Guru. So the person would be blessed by Surya

and Guru.

> Further, Arudha Lagna would fall into the 9th house of

honour and

> divine blessings, while Lagnesh would at the same time

fall in

the

> 9th house from arudha Lagna.

> >

" The native is friendly"

> > This

comes from Guru which is karaka for 5th house and

> above mentioned Arudha. Why Friendly? Like Shri Mahavishnu,

who

is

> always friendly towards human...

> >

"short tempered"

> >

Zoran: This is the infleunce of Surya as the 5th lord

in

> Kal Purush. Surya is Pitta Graha and is short tempered

> >

" Favourite of the rulers, but tends to serve others"

> >

Zoran: Favourite of the rulers is due to Surya, karaka

> Guru, and Arudha Lagna in 9th house. The question about

serving

> others can be spiritually comprehended due to the above

infleunces.

> If we observe this as an ordinary matter such as

business/service,

> the 5th house gives status and power, and never service

unless

graha

> is afflicted. If we treat this as a govermental service,

and

status

> through the same, then this is ok

> > Best

wishes

> > Zoran

>

> Sponsor

>

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Dear Swee,

I remember that for Saptamsha if the ascendant is odd then count in normal way

to 5th and if even then in reverse order.I think Sanjay Guru should comment on

this.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Swee Chan

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:55 PM

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Chadrashekhar and Sanjay,

The lesson is given by Sanjay Guru, of which I will give the excerpt here.

This article is restricted to progeny only.

SEX DETERMINATION

There are certain simple rules that govern the sex determination of the children.

For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of the 5th house

from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity, the first child is

determined from the lord of the 9th house from Saptamsa Lagna.

Namaste,

Swee

sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com>

[sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com]Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:03 AMTo:

Subject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

|| Om Sri Gurave Namah ||Dear Chandrashekar,> You have said in male chart 5th

refers to child and 9th in female chart. I would like to know the text where

this is mentioned so that I can update my konwledge. I have not found any

reference to reversing houses for female charts.I am saying this from what is

taught to me. I will try to search for reference if I will pass it when I

find.>Does this mean that 3rd would be Aya sthana for a female and 10th

Matrusthana which should happen by the reasoning you gave ?NO. Ayu and mother

are same whether you are male or female. But childbirth is different. Things

which apply to both sex should be seen the same way.> Perhaps you are refering

to Saptamsha charts and not natal chart that I was refering to. Yes, saptamsa

is seen to for each child.Warm Regards,S. Prabhakaran> Regards,>

Chandrashekhar.> - > sanjayprabhakaran

<sprabhakaran@s...> > > Tuesday,

January 07, 2003 9:53 PM> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house> > > Om Sri Gurave Namah> > Dear

Chandrashakar,> > > Would not Sun in 5th with Mars and Jupiter in 9th for

Aires > ascendant qualify for the shloka I have cited? > > Yes this may

qualify. Look into saptamasa and shadbala strength of > Jupiter to cross

verify. > > > As for the original topic,there is a line o thought which >

calculates the first born amongst relatives from the designated Bhava > from

Ascendant the next born from the Bhava at same no. of Bhava from > designated

bhava and so on. So first born will be indicated by 5th > Bhava the second

born by 9th house(5th from 5th) and so on. This > could be the key to the

riddle that is being sought.> > NO!. that way you are calculating childs

child. (Anyway for childs > child i.e grandchild you should use child's lord

as lagna).> Else some basics like bhavat bhavam will be violated. > 9th

house is third child. for male chart use 5,7,9 etc jump 3 houses > in

Saptamsa as the next child a younger sibling!> > The 5th is controlling house

for children in male chart and 9th house > for females. The sequence is

reversed for FEMALE CHARTS> > Warm Regards.> S. Prabhakaran> > > > My

poser was just to illustrate the fact that yogas in shlokas are > not to be

taken verbatim but the principle behind the yogas should be > understood in

order to arrive at correct import of the sages.> > Regards,> >

Chandrashekhar. > > - > > Zoran

Radosavljevic > > > > Monday,

January 06, 2003 5:38 AM> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul] RE:Lagna > lord in 5th house> > > > > > Dear Chandrakeshar, >

> That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can surely give the children > under

the circumstances below. Yet the question was about the 1st > child.. > >

Best wishes > > Zoran > > Chandrashekhar wrote: > > > > Dear

Visti,Zoran and other Learned Jyotishis,If I may > intervene,Jataka Parijat

says in the chapter of Bhavaphala-5th-6th > Bhava shloka17"One shall

certainly beget a Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh> (Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th,

lord of the 5th is strong and Jupiter > is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar. > >

-> > Visti Larsen> > To:

> > Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:18

PM> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] >

RE:Lagna lord in 5th house> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > >

> -->

------> > Dear Zoran, "Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first >

child could be lost" > > Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh

is the first > rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could lessen

the > progenic bliss, as well as take the first child which is particulalry >

signified by the 5th houseActually the Sun is Karaka for Lagna, and > Sun in

the 5th house can cause miscarriages. The reason is that the > Agni of the

Sun and the water needed to sustain childbirths, cause > dryness or excess

heat, which results in miscarriages, similar to the > effects of planets

being in Gandanta. Similarly Mars in the 5th can > cause miscarriages due to

excess bleeding. As for blessings from > elders, Arudha Lagna in the 9th is

enough for this. Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > >

Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > Brihat Parasara

Hora Shastra: > vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda->

ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html > > ->

> Zoran Radosavljevic> > To:

> > Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:11

PM> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] >

RE:Lagna lord in 5th house> > Om Namo Narayanaya, > > Dear

Visti and other members, > > I shall try to explain why these

influences as given to > Parashara: > > Dear Sarajit,The results

of the Lagna lord in the 5th > house are repeated as follows: "Progenic bliss

is not assured, and > the first child could be lost. The native is

honourable, friendly, > short-tempered and a favorite of the rulers, but

tends to serve > others." Best wishes > > Visti-> > > >

"Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could > be lost" > >

Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the > first rashi of

Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could lessen > the progenic bliss,

as well as take the first child which is > particulalry signified by the 5th

house > > " The native is honorable" > > Zoran: 5th lord in

a natural zodiac belongs to Surya while > Karaka is Guru. So the person would

be blessed by Surya and Guru. > Further, Arudha Lagna would fall into the 9th

house of honour and > divine blessings, while Lagnesh would at the same time

fall in the > 9th house from arudha Lagna. > > " The native is

friendly" > > This comes from Guru which is karaka for 5th house and

> above mentioned Arudha. Why Friendly? Like Shri Mahavishnu, who is >

always friendly towards human... > > "short tempered" > >

Zoran: This is the infleunce of Surya as the 5th lord in > Kal Purush. Surya

is Pitta Graha and is short tempered > > " Favourite of the rulers,

but tends to serve others" > > Zoran: Favourite of the rulers is due

to Surya, karaka > Guru, and Arudha Lagna in 9th house. The question about

serving > others can be spiritually comprehended due to the above infleunces.

> If we observe this as an ordinary matter such as business/service, > the

5th house gives status and power, and never service unless graha > is

afflicted. If we treat this as a govermental service, and status > through

the same, then this is ok > > Best wishes > > Zoran > >

> > > > Sponsor > >

> > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]>

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Dear

Sai,

Namaste

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saikumar

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Wednesday, January 08, 2003

4:53 AM

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Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Namasthe Swee

and All,

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This is what I have on Saptamsa from the list.

"If the Saptamsa Lagna is odd, then the first child is

seen from the 5th house/lord and count every 3rd from

the 5th house; i.e. 1st child: 5th house, 2nd child:

7th house, 3rd child: 9th, etc etc(5, 7, 9, 11, 1),

following the order of Mandooka Ghati. Study the

Mandooka Dasa in BPHS and Jaimini's Upadesa to

understand this Dasa.

Similarly if the Saptamsa lagna is even count in

reverse, starting from the 9th house(9, 7, 5, 3, 1)."

Should we consider this or ignore this has always been

the dilemma for me.

Thanks in advance for any clarifications.

Sai

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mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Yes, verify this from the Saptamsa……..

an excellent study of my Saptamsa in Hyderabad by Sanjay Guru. He was the only

person who correctly identified and described my children from my chart after

rectification. (1 other I tried the previous day, did not succeed.) More below:

mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">

mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Best wishes, Swee

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color:navy">For a male nativity, subsequent children are determined from the

lords of every 3rd house from the fifth, in direct order, i.e. the second child

7th house lord third child from 9th house lord and

fourth child from 11th house lord and so on whereas, for a female nativity,

subsequent children are determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the

ninth, in reverse order. i.e. the second child from 7th house lord, third child

from 5th lord and fourth child from 3rd lord and so on.

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--- Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Chadrashekhar and Sanjay,

>

> The lesson is given by Sanjay Guru, of which I will

> give the excerpt here.

>

> This article is restricted to progeny only.

> SEX DETERMINATION

> There are certain simple rules that govern the sex

> determination of the

> children.

> For a male nativity, the first child is determined

> by the lord of the 5th

> house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female

> nativity, the first child is

> determined from the lord of the 9th house from

> Saptamsa Lagna.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Swee

>

> sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com>

> [sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com]

> Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:03 AM

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> Achyuta Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

>

> || Om Sri Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Chandrashekar,

>

> > You have said in male chart 5th refers to child

> and 9th in female

> chart. I would like to know the text where this is

> mentioned so that

> I can update my konwledge. I have not found any

> reference to

> reversing houses for female charts.

>

> I am saying this from what is taught to me. I will

> try to search for

> reference if I will pass it when I find.

>

> >Does this mean that 3rd would be Aya sthana for a

> female and 10th

> Matrusthana which should happen by the reasoning you

> gave ?

>

> NO. Ayu and mother are same whether you are male or

> female. But

> childbirth is different. Things which apply to both

> sex should be

> seen the same way.

>

> > Perhaps you are refering to Saptamsha charts and

> not natal chart

> that I was refering to.

>

> Yes, saptamsa is seen to for each child.

>

> Warm Regards,

> S. Prabhakaran

>

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> >

> > Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:53 PM

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

> Gurukul] RE:Lagna

> lord in 5th house

> >

> > Om Sri Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Chandrashakar,

> >

> > > Would not Sun in 5th with Mars and Jupiter

in

> 9th for Aires

> > ascendant qualify for the shloka I have cited?

> >

> > Yes this may qualify. Look into saptamasa and

> shadbala strength

> of

> > Jupiter to cross verify.

> >

> > > As for the original topic,there is a line o

> thought which

> > calculates the first born amongst relatives from

> the designated

> Bhava

> > from Ascendant the next born from the Bhava at

> same no. of Bhava

> from

> > designated bhava and so on. So first born will

> be indicated by

> 5th

> > Bhava the second born by 9th house(5th from 5th)

> and so on. This

> > could be the key to the riddle that is being

> sought.

> >

> > NO!. that way you are calculating childs child.

> (Anyway for

> childs

> > child i.e grandchild you should use child's lord

> as lagna).

> > Else some basics like bhavat bhavam will be

> violated.

> > 9th house is third child. for male chart use

> 5,7,9 etc jump 3

> houses

> > in Saptamsa as the next child a younger sibling!

> >

> > The 5th is controlling house for children in

> male chart and 9th

> house

> > for females. The sequence is reversed for FEMALE

> CHARTS

> >

> > Warm Regards.

> > S. Prabhakaran

> >

> > > My poser was just to illustrate the fact that

> yogas in shlokas

> are

> > not to be taken verbatim but the principle

> behind the yogas

> should be

> > understood in order to arrive at correct import

> of the sages.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > >

> > > Monday, January 06, 2003 5:38

AM

> > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re:

> Achyuta Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna

> > lord in 5th house

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > > That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th

can

> surely give the

> children

> > under the circumstances below. Yet the question

> was about the 1st

> > child..

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran

> > > Chandrashekhar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,Zoran and

other Learned

> Jyotishis,If I may

> > intervene,Jataka Parijat says in the chapter of

> Bhavaphala-5th-

> 6th

> > Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly beget a

> Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh

> > (Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord of the 5th

> is strong and

> Jupiter

> > is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.

> > > -----

Original Message -----

> > > Visti

Larsen

> > > To:

> > > Sent:

Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:18 PM

> > > Re:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> Achyuta Gurukul]

> > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> > >

> > > Hare Rama

Krishna

> > >

>

-------------------------------

> ----

> > ------

> > > Dear Zoran,

"Progenic bliss is not

> assured, and the first

> > child could be lost"

> > > Zoran:

Lagnesh carry the energy of

> Mangal (mesh is the

> first

> > rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a

> Mangal could lessen

> the

> > progenic bliss, as well as take the first child

> which is

>

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January 8, 2003

Dear Shiva,

>From what I learned from SJVC and Guruji's teachings

the male native's chart interpretation decides the sex

of the child if there is a conflict.

Learned elders correct me if I am wrong.

Regards,

Sai

--- "schinnas <schinnas"

<schinnas wrote:

> Dear Swee and other gurus,

> What to predict if contrary indications are

> obtained in the charts

> of male and female.

>

> For example, lets assume

>

> M- F- F- M for male native and

> M- M- M- F for female native.

>

> Does this mean they will have only one child since

> only the sex of

> first child is the same for both or should we

> consider the strength

> of concerned lords in both charts?

>

> There are many combinations given in classics - by

> having copulation

> during calculared muhurtas, a child of desired sex

> can be had. Also

> there are remedies mentioned in BPHS (for curse of

> father/mother,

> etc which might result in lack of male child).

>

> Has this technique been verified on a large sample

> space of charts

> to claim accuracy? If this is 100% accurate, then I

> will have to

> assume that the muhurta calculations for desired

> progeny and

> remedies given in BPHS for male children are

> incorrect.

>

> Someone please clarify.

>

> thanks,

> Siva.

>

> , "Swee Chan"

> <swee@c...> wrote:

> > Dear Sai,

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > saikumar [astrossk]

> > Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:53 AM

> >

> > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta

> Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

> Gurukul]

> > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

> > Namasthe Swee and All,

> >

> > This is what I have on Saptamsa from the list.

> >

> > "If the Saptamsa Lagna is odd, then the first

> child is

> > seen from the 5th house/lord and count every 3rd

> from

> > the 5th house; i.e. 1st child: 5th house, 2nd

> child:

> > 7th house, 3rd child: 9th, etc etc(5, 7, 9, 11,

> 1),

> > following the order of Mandooka Ghati. Study the

> > Mandooka Dasa in BPHS and Jaimini's Upadesa to

> > understand this Dasa.

> >

> > Similarly if the Saptamsa lagna is even count in

> > reverse, starting from the 9th house(9, 7, 5, 3,

> 1)."

> >

> > Should we consider this or ignore this has always

> been

> > the dilemma for me.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for any clarifications.

> >

> > Sai

> >

> > Yes, verify this from the Saptamsa.... an

> excellent study of my

> Saptamsa in

> > Hyderabad by Sanjay Guru. He was the only person

> who correctly

> identified

> > and described my children from my chart after

> rectification. (1

> other I

> > tried the previous day, did not succeed.) More

> below:

> >

> > Best wishes, Swee

> >

> > For a male nativity, subsequent children are

> determined from the

> lords of

> > every 3rd house from the fifth, in direct order,

> i.e. the second

> child 7th

> > house lord third child from 9th house lord and

> fourth child from

> 11th house

> > lord and so on whereas, for a female nativity,

> subsequent children

> are

> > determined from the lords of every 3rd house from

> the ninth, in

> reverse

> > order. i.e. the second child from 7th house lord,

> third child from

> 5th lord

> > and fourth child from 3rd lord and so on.

> > A male child is predicted, if the lord of the

> child is, (a) placed

> in an odd

> > sign or, Cancer or Pisces OR *(b) exalted or

> conjoins exalted

> planets, or

> > *© conjunct the Sun, Jupiter, Mars or Rahu

> (considered male

> planets).

> > A female child is predicted, if the lord of the

> child is,

> > (a) placed in an even sign, Gemini or Aquarius, OR

> > (b) debilitated or conjoins debilitated planets,

> or

> > © conjunct the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Ketu

> (Considered feminine

> planets) or

> > Saturn ( Napumsaka also)

> > The sign occupied by the 5th, 7th etc Lords should

> be treated as

> the Lagna

> > of individual

> > children. Take the lord as the Lagna of specific

> children and

> predict

> > fortune as per dasa's.

> >

> > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Chadrashekhar and Sanjay,

> > >

> > > The lesson is given by Sanjay Guru, of which I

> will

> > > give the excerpt here.

> > >

> > > This article is restricted to progeny only.

> > > SEX DETERMINATION

> > > There are certain simple rules that govern the

> sex

> > > determination of the

> > > children.

> > > For a male nativity, the first child is

> determined

> > > by the lord of the 5th

> > > house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female

> > > nativity, the first child is

> > > determined from the lord of the 9th house from

> > > Saptamsa Lagna.

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > >

> > > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> > > [sprabhakaran@s...]

> > > Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:03 AM

> > >

> > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul]

> Re:

> > > Achyuta Gurukul]

> > > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> > >

> > > || Om Sri Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > >

> > > > You have said in male chart 5th refers to

> child

> > > and 9th in female

> > > chart. I would like to know the text where this

> is

> > > mentioned so that

> > > I can update my konwledge. I have not found any

> > > reference to

> > > reversing houses for female charts.

> > >

> > > I am saying this from what is taught to me. I

> will

> > > try to search for

> > > reference if I will pass it when I find.

> > >

>

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January 9, 2003

Dear Ajit Krishnan,

Here is something from BPHS.

Ch. 80. Female Horoscopy

1. Maitreya asked. O Sage! You have described the effects of many kinds. Now be

kind enough to throw light on Strī Jatak (female horoscopy).

2. Maharishi Parasara replied. What a good question! Listen to what I am going

to tell you about the Rāśi Kundalis of females. All the effects, that

have been described till now in the case of male horoscopies, will apply to

females also. Matters, relating to her physical appearance, should be

determined from Lagn, those, relating to children, from the 5th Bhava, fortune

for the husband from the 7th and death of the husband (widowhood) should be

deduced from the 8th. Those effects, which are impossible to ascribe to the

female, should be declared to be applicable to her husband.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

Friday, January 10, 2003 12:56 PM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

hamsa om soham

Dear Swee, Sanjay and all,

If I remember correctly, all examples in the lesson Swee has references are for

male natives, with saptamsa lagna in an odd sign.

>From Gurudeva's commentary on Jaimini Sutras (which says exactly what I have been taught):

1) For female charts, the ninth should be considered and for male charts the

fifth for determining procreative successes. The fifth and ninth houses

indicate children for male / female charts.

2) For an even sign ascending the 9th house lord indicates the first pregnancy

while for a male sign ascending the fifth house lord indicates the first

pregnancy. If the first pregnancy is from the 9th house, the subsequent

children will be from the lords of the 7th, 5th etc. Instead, if the first

pregnancy is from the 5th house, the subsequent children will be judged from

the lords of the 7th, 9th, 11th etc.

To avoid any misinterpretation, we have been given an example (Chart 22). This

is for a _male_ native with lagna in a female sign (Pisces). The 3 children are

seen from the lords of the 5th, 7th, and 9th houses counted in reverse from

Pisces (i.e. Sco, Vir, Can).

The commentary is very clear.

ajit

-

Swee Chan

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:25 AM