[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Minutes of Meeting #2 - SJC East Coast Study Group

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Aum Namah Sivaya

Hello Sriram,

 

Here are my two cents -

 

 

>HARE RAMA KRISHNA

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>OM GURAVE NAMAH

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>Minutes of the 2nd SJC East Coast (USA) Study Group Meeting, 11/02/02

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>Report prepared by Sriram N Kizhakkemadam and Sanjay Prabhakaran in

>consultation with other attendees

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>The 2nd meeting of the SJC East Coast study group was attended by Shri

>Sanjay Prabhakaran who led the discussion, Shri Ashwin Kansgara who hosted

>the session, Shri Sureshbabu Chandra, Shri Lakshman Brahma, Shri

>ShivKulhari, Shrimati Karen Skoler and Sriram Kizhakkemadam . Later Shri

>Deepak Phatak and his wife Shrimati Swapna Phatak joined the meeting.

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>As per Gurudev Pt.Sanjay Rath’s instructions, we concentrated on the basics

>and did not delve on Vipareetam Ketoh principles or any higher issues. We

>discussed the Pancha Siddhanta from Satya Jatakam of Satyacharya ( English

>translation by Prof.P.S.Sastri). The Pancha Siddhanta refers to

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> Grihasheela (Nature of each planet)

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> Karakatwa (Significations of planet)

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> Naskshatra (The Asterisms, its 3 fold divisions, their categories,

>Janma, sampat etc, Arkshas etc)

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> Swavarga (Own Divisions of a planet in D9, D-3 etc)

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> Adhipatya Siddhanta (Dispositor or ownership).

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>In particular, we discussed Grihasheela of all the 9 planets during the

>meeting. The notes given below hints at some of the points learned by the

>members which they were not aware of. Reporting of all of the planetary

>characteristics In order to avoid repeating all the material given in Satya

>jataka, only some of the salient characteristics have been enumerated

>below. Questions have been raised in red at places where our understanding

>could not fathom the characteristics ascribed to the planets by sage

>Satyacharya ( or by his translator).

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>Sun

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>Square body, short stature, little hair, strong bones(Sun forms the basis

>for creation. The skeletal system is therefore represented by Sun), pride

>(King has pride), dark red, 8 yojanas in length, resolute (King is

>resolute), wrathful, bilious temperament, Sattwic, Eagle bird, 30 years

>old, intelligence( the shining rays of the sun dispel ignorance and give

>intelligence), gold, copper, jewels on ear, nose, chest, fruit bearing

>trees(fruits contain the seeds which contain the atma. Sun is naisargika

>atma karaka), thatched houses, wheat, girls aged 8 years old, short trees,

>brinjal(eggplant), beans, pungent, coarse thick clothes, red kidney beans,

>5 rays.

 

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>Some general points

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> As sun represents intelligence, Sun in 5th from Karakamsha will give

>knowledge of the atma and paramatma as enunciated in the Bhagavad Gita

>(Jaimini Sutra)

 

 

Sarajit: Nice point, Sun's placement in the 5th from Karakamsa will give the

knowledge of Bhagvat gita, similar things can be seen if Sun is placed in

the 5th house from the Lagna in D-1 chart. Take Gurudev's case for example.

However, presence of Sun in the trines to the Lagna or swamsa can give the

inclination to study Gita and understand that. On one hand, where the

karakamsa shows natural tendency to understand the Gita as if it is flowing

from the previous birth, the presence of Sun from the D-1 Lagna, shows,

learning in this birth.

 

Actually strictly speaking Sun is not the karaka for intelligence, but the

store house of knowledge, the source, the end, where we all like to reach.

The real karka for intelligence is Jupiter being the karaka of the paka

lagna, the seat of intelligence. Thats why a true guru can take you towards

the Sun, hence the term Guru itself means, one who can shed darkness or

ignorance by pouring light.

 

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> Karna, the son of the Sun god was blessed with jewels on chest. His

>vanquish was possible only after his chest jewels were taken by Indra

>posing as a Brahmana.

 

Sarajit: Here I hoped you meant the kavach or the sheild and the Kundala the

earrings of Karna. In that sense you are right the real Kavach of the body

is there in the Anahata Chakra rules by the Sun. This gets strenthened by

doing Dharma. So Sun is the karaka of dharma too and dharma enhances the

logivity.

 

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> Coarse thick clothes are used by people who have to weather the

>roughness of the surroundings while working during the day

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> The grass grows under the sun. Hence the animals which subsist on grass

>as well as thatched houses are ruled by Sun.

 

Sarajit: I don't think this is correct logic. There are so many other things

which happen under the Sun, everything is not ruled by the Sun. Probably the

nature of the trees and their uses will give you some clue.

 

 

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> Sun in the 10th house (zenith, north) of any muhurtha horoscope will

>take away the malefiscence of the muhurtha because the Sun is strong during

>forenoon and noon is represented by 10th house.

 

Sarajit: The specific muhurta, where the Sun is directly above ur head is

named as the Abhijit muhurtha, which is blessed by Vishnu. When Sun is in

such position, it has direct argala on the 9th house and thus sustains the

dharma.

 

 

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> Sun is a loner as the King does not mingle much with others.

 

Sarajit: The nature of Lion is thats why ascribed to Sun. Atma is always

independent and get into relationship under the cluch of maya. Thats why

Venus or the karaka for relationship debilitates Sun in Libra.

 

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> Strong sun influencing ascendant (rasi/navamsa) will also give a

>charitable disposition (the King is magnanimous) and entrepreneurship.

 

Sarajit: True, this can be seen also when the Sun is placed in the trine to

the Rasi Lagna. U must remember, the trines shape the nature of the person

as they are of the same svabhav or nature.

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>Q1: How are different planets allotted different yojanas. What is their

>application (In prashna for distance calculations?)

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>Q2: The age for planets given in Satya Jataka is different from the

>maturity age given in COVA. Can the gurus please guide us about the meaning

>of the age for different planets mentioned in Satya jataka?

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>Q3: Why is brinjal, beans allotted to Sun?

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>Q4: What is the concept of the rays as used by Satyacharya? The allotment

>of rays is different from that of other books which use the rays of the

>planet to determine the strength of the planet

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>Moon

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>Round, white, 1 yojana, beautiful eyes(Moon gets exalted in the second

>house of the zodiac, travel(moon rules over waters which indicates travel

>by sea/oceans), cold/soothing (the cool rays of the Moon), mild, meek, soft

>in speech, 70 years, 21 rays, calmness, poet( moon is manah karaka- mind

>significator and like the flowing waves of the ocean ruled by the moon, the

>flow of the mind yields poetry), strong houses, womanliness(moon is the

>queen – the apotheosis of womanhood in an ideal state), sappy plants (sap

>is white – color of Moon), cloth, lily(usually a white flower), cucumber(

>inside is white), bronze, brass, ornaments on head(Shiva has the Moon on

>his head), rice (white grain), homely or cozy or comfortable house(the 4th

>house of the natural zodiac is ruled by Moon), fat (it is the cause for the

>exaltation of expansive Jupiter), pearl(white jewel found in ocean), strong

>during night(Moon rises at night).

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>General comments:

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> As the Moon is strong at night, the mother goddess( the female

>principle) is usually worshipped at night

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>Q4: The Purusha Sukta states that Chakshos suryoh ajayata (Sun was born

>from His eyes). So is the sun the indicator of sight and moon that for the

>physical beauty of the eyes?

 

Sarajit: Sun is the indicator of sight. You are absolutely correct here.

This is also because the light shows us the right path and which is nothing

but the path of dharma. True sight can give the true discrimination and

dispell the darkness caused by ignorance.

 

Tad Vishnu Paramam Padam Sadaa Pashyanti Surayah

Diveeva Chayuraatatam.

 

Thats why the Sun represent the Jyotisha, the eyes of the Veda.

 

Venus rules the physical eye and hence beautiful eyes or not can be seen

from the position of Venus. Eyes are the most attactive organ of body which

make one fall into relationship. Am I making sense here?

 

 

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>Q5: Bronze and brass have been allocated for Sun and Moon. Can the gurus

>shed more light on this?

 

 

Sarajit: I know about the Gold and Silver, one is agni (dazzling) tattva and

another one is Jala (cool).

 

 

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>Mars

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>Reddish, youthful(the warrior is youthful), 7 yojanas, cruel(warrior is

>cruel), fickle-minded(w.r.t power – Generals cause coup d’ etat), rash,

>generous, tamasic, Dal, red grains, pulses, thorny trees(because it pokes),

>sheep, bones(marrow), thieves (soldiers can logically think, climb the fort

>and sneak), sin, wounds, pomp and show, waist string, strong during night

>and Krishna paksha.

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>General comments

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> The aphorism "Kujavad Kethu" implies that kethu is the Sookshma or

>subtle feature of Kuja who is more Sthoola or gross.

 

Sarajit: Exactly, Ketu is also called the higher harmonic of Mars and

considered to be more hot than the Mars. The colour ruled by Ketu is

Infra-red, which come beyond the Red light in the spectrum. Similarly Rahu

is of ultra-violet, which is of higher spectrum than that of Saturn, who

ruled last color of the visible spectrum, i.e., Blue/Violet.

 

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The application of the above idea can be understood by knowing that while

Kuja rules over spears, Kethu rules over surgical instruments

 

 

Sarajit> Yes, I am just reiterating what you have said. Not validating. Ketu

rules smalll instruments or precision instruments, whereas the machineries

are in genral ruled by Mars. Very Very big machines and all are ruled by

Rahu.

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> Mars incluencing 10th house can indicate technocrats while Kuja + Sukra

>influencing 10th can indicate people who write Graphical User Interfaces

>(GUI).

 

Sarajit: Are you talking of the 10th house in the rasi chart. Then it is

very difficult to tell professions on from the 10th of the Rasi chart. You

can very well look at the 11th from the AL and the placement of the navamsa

dispositor of the 10th lord from Lagna and Moon. To become conclusive you

have to check the Artha Trikona of the Dasamsa chart and see the influences

there in. For artistic talent you should also look at the navamsa and

Venus's placement. However, in the houses of professions, Venus generally

indicate private sector industries.

 

 

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> If Kuja influences 4th house, there will be a fireplace at home.

 

Sarajit: Do you mean to say, in the cold countries, where everybody have

fire place in their home, all have Mars influencing their fourth?

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> As Kuja represents uncontrolled anger, exalted Kuja represents

>controlled anger.If Kuja gets neechbhanga by Jupiter or Moon or Saturn, the

>anger will be controlled by wisdom, and restrictions (jail) respectively.

 

 

Sarajit: Kuja only rules anger. Controlled and uncontrolled are only

qualities which can be seen by various placements of Mars. Venus can do

quencing of Mars's anger and this is called Kuja Sthambana. Read Jaimini

Sutras. Your neecha and bhanga threory is incorrect. The aspect of benefic

planets can keep Mars's anger under control chiefly among them is Jupiter,

the peace loving planet. Anyway, I agree with you with the exaltation bid,

which expresses the positive qualities of a planet. Here Mars may not be at

all angry.

 

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> As fire is represented by Mars, firefighters are represented by Venus

>as Venus extinguishes the flames of mars

 

Sarajit: Yah! I take back what I said earlier. You have read Jaimi Sutras it

seems :-)

 

 

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> As Kuja is signifactor for land, land should be bought in Krishna

>paksha and the contract can be signed during night of Krishna Paksha (Gurus

>are requested to kindly confirm this)

 

Sarajit: Can you please elabora, whats the realtionship of Mars/ Land and

krsna Paksha. I would probably chose the 4th lord's day and Mars's hora.

 

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> Mars when influenced by the Sun will make the native fight for a good

>cause while he becomes bad when influenced by Saturn. When associated with

>Rahu, it gives rise to Vijaya Yoga yielding success in battles by hook or

>crook.

 

 

Sarajit: When Mars is with Saturn, Saturn loses energy as Mars causes

Saturn's functional debilitation. Saturn is beaten and Satur's ownership and

natural karakaktwa can suffer.

 

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>Q: Is Kuja rajasic or tamasic(as satyacharya has given) ?

 

Sarajit: Kuja is Tamasic only as fighting without brain is tamasic nature

only. However under different influences and sambanda, Mars can become giver

many auspicious things like the Guru-Mangala yoga.

 

 

 

For other Planets, probably I will give my thoughts when I have time again.

 

 

 

Rgds

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>Mercury

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>Green, rajasic, lean, talkative, long reddish eyes, pot bely 8 yojanas,

>mathematics, languages, highly intelligent (as he can understand other

>person), learned, mixture, 6 rays, green grams, blue stones, blue lotus,

>glass bangles, beetle leaves, centipedes, uncle, mathematics, wit and

>humor, village administration (Budha is prince – dominion over a lesser

>area), birds( Sanjay commented that walking birds are ruled by Budha while

>flying birds are ruled by Ravi), blak paddy, pupils.

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>General comments

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> Budha + kethu combination related to 10th house or D-10 can give

>knowledge of computers or software

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> Islamic countries have green as their favorite color as Prophet

>Muhammad had his Atmakaraka in a mercurial sign

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>Jupiter

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>Big body, yellow, big belly, brown-honey colored, 30 years of age, Hemanta

>season, exceedingly intelligent, clear, pure speech, 7 rays, Bengal gram(it

>is yellow colored), Vedas, devotion, elliptical shape, bankers, charity, 5

>flowers, sugarcane, beetlenut, woodwork houses.

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>Venus

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>Beautiful form, proportionate limbs, dark eyes, soft pleasing speech, 16

>years, watery, wind + phlegm, multicoloured(spring – many colours),

>blossoming of adulthood, 8 rays, white colour, vitality, jasmine, artistic

>hourses, trees in watery places, cow gram, strong at night and bright

>fortnight

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>Saturn

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>Deep, sunk eyes, lean tall body, dull and large nails, large teeth,

>downward, cruel and pitiless, 8 yojanas, 5 rays, cunningness, old houses,

>bitter fruits, forest fruits with thick skin, bamboo

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>Rahu

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>Tall, black, heretic, paternal grandfather, deceit, research oriented,

>lesser confidence, serpents, cars, skin diseases, Durga, fever, jugglery,

>hands, 20 yojanas, hysteria, foreign languages, occupations considered low,

>Gomedha jewel, Black gram

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>Venomous speech, smoke, limbs covered with wounds, knowledge which gives

>salvation, sinful habits, poison in tail, back-biting, proficient in

>foreign language, low and mean acts, accidents by fire,

>haughtiness,Vaidurya(turquoise).

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>General comments

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> Planetary relationships are not absolute. Although Mercury is inimical

>to Jupiter, he is not inimical to Jupiter as a student.

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> Similarly, Saturn has a two fold relationship with Sun, one as Mahakal

>wherein he does not obey Sun and the other as yamaraja wherein he obeys

>Sun. Thus, Sani + sun combination can make the person do menial service to

>his father or sani in 9th can make him irreligious(unless he gets exalted

>or association with lagna lord)

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> Rahu is inimical to Karakas for the first house as Sun is the indicator

>for the first house and Rahu is inimical to Sun.

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> Rahu(diabolical scheming) can be defeated by Sun(government) and

>Jupiter(bank).

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> Any planets in quadrants enhance the house they own.

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> Navamsa gives support to Rasi

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> While Moon signifies rains, venus signifies dew.

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> To judge planetary strength, we have to investigate the strengths of

>pakesha(lord of the sign occupied by the planet), the lord of the navamsa

>occupied by the planet, lord of the sign occupied by the pakesha in Rasi

>chart, pakesha’s dispositor in navamsa and nakshatra dispositor.

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> If there are no planets in quadrants or trines, the life will generally

>be tough.

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> The 7 planets can be mapped to the 7 lokas (Bhu, Bhuvah, Suvah, Maha

>,Jana, Tapa, Satya). This includes the Earth- Bhu loka.

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> Jupiter and Kethu combination makes a person a good astrologer

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>Planets

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>Element

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>Utility used for worship

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>Mars

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>Fire

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>Lamp

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>Mercury

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>Earth

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>Sandalwood paste

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>Jupiter

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>Ether

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>Flower

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>Venus

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>Water

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>Naivedya(Offering water)

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>Saturn

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>Wind(Air)

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>Incense

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>The meeting ended at 5:00p.m. We broadly decided to continue with Pancha

>Siddhanta in the next meeting. The details and location will be emailed by

>Shri Sanjay Prabhakaran/ Shri Sureshbabu Chandra. We would like to thank

>Shri Ashwin Kansagra and his wife for hosting the event and providing a

>superbly delicious lunch. Some of us (especially Sriram) packed some for

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>We request the Gurus to kindly to point out mistakes in our understanding,

>answer our queries and enlighten us.

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>In your service

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>Your sishya

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>K.N.Sriram

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>Om Shanti Shanti ShantiH

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OM GURAVE NAMAH

Namaste Sarajit,

thanks for your comments. Sorry for this delayed reply.

Report: If Kuja influences 4th house, there will be a fireplace at home.Sarajit:

Do you mean to say, in the cold countries, where everybody have fire place in

their home, all have Mars influencing their fourth?

Sriram : Sanjay had come up with this idea. I do agree with your reasoning. Most

houses have a fire place in all countries, atleast in the kitchen (whether it is

gas or electric is different). In that case, there are very few houses which

don't have a fireplace at all ( no kitchen also ). Can we identify this from

the chart?

Report: As Kuja is signifactor for land, land should be bought in Krishna

>paksha and the contract can be signed during night of Krishna Paksha (Gurus

>are requested to kindly confirm this)Sarajit: Can you please elabora, whats

the realtionship of Mars/ Land and krsna Paksha. I would probably chose the 4th

lord's day and Mars's hora.Sriram : While you had chosen the day and hora, we

tried to choose the paksha and day/night for buying land using Mars' strength.

Is this a valid approach?

Regards

K.N.sriram

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Om Sri Gurave Namah,

Namaste all,

> Namaste Sarajit,

> thanks for your comments. Sorry for this delayed reply.

> Report: If Kuja influences 4th house, there will be a fireplace at

home.

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> Sarajit: Do you mean to say, in the cold countries, where everybody

have

> fire place in their home, all have Mars influencing their fourth?

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> Sriram : Sanjay had come up with this idea. I do agree with your

reasoning. Most houses have a fire place in all countries, atleast in

the kitchen (whether it is gas or electric is different). In that

case, there are very few houses which don't have a fireplace at all (

no kitchen also ). Can we identify this from the chart?

 

sanjayp: If I remember correct Satya Jatakam's translator has said

that Mars signifies a house in fire. That seemed odd to me so i

suggested maybe there is fire place or so at home, If mars is 4th as

mars stands for agni. Of course the house could be made of bricks too

as mars rules bricks also.

 

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> Report: As Kuja is signifactor for land, land should be bought in

Krishna

> >paksha and the contract can be signed during night of Krishna

Paksha (Gurus

> >are requested to kindly confirm this)

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> Sarajit: Can you please elabora, whats the realtionship of Mars/

Land and

> krsna Paksha. I would probably chose the 4th lord's day and Mars's

hora.

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> Sriram : While you had chosen the day and hora, we tried to choose

the paksha and day/night for buying land using Mars' strength. Is

this a valid approach?

 

SanjayP: In same Satya Jatakam it says that Mars is strong at

Krishna paksha and at night time. So I thought in Land purchase or

such muhurtha related to Naisargika karakatwa's of Mars it would be

be good to select the time when Mars is strong.

 

Warm regards,

S.Prabhakaran