[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lesson on Vipareetam Ketoh

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Partha,

 

The following are the extracts from Narada purana, sent by Ramapriya.

I found these points very interesting and perhaps they do answer your

question.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Venus causes the following effects in the first five houses : (1)

Passionate and Happy; (2) Quarrelsome; (3) Anxious for sexual

pleasure; (4) Happy; and (5) Having many daughters; and in other

houses he gives the same results as Jupiter.

 

Saturn occupying the ascendant at birth makes one penniless, sickly,

voluptuous, slovenly, sickly during childhood and indolent; but if it

is his exaltation, one becomes virtuously disposed, a king or

administrator of a village, learned and of attractive physique. In

other places he is similar to the Sun.

 

, partha sarathy <partvinu5> wrote:

>

> OM NAMH SHIVAYA

> Dear Sanjayji

> Your lesson on ketu brings tears to my eyes as it really beautiful.

> You had said that jupiter with ketu can mean a high desire for

knowledge and especially good for jyotish.

>

> My queries

> a) Is it venus that gives the wealth or jupiter. Because a nadi

expert told me that my saturn is retro and is moving away from venus-

money and moving towards the combination of jupiter and ketu who are

in aries. And he further said that when jupiter enters pisces the

feeling for knowledge and feeling against money would descend. So i

have a doubt as to who gives wealth -and if jupiter gives wealth then

what does lakshmi give(venus).

>

> b) Jupiter -ketu conjunction has already been discussed,but i have

a doubt. Will the jupiter retrogression make him closer to ketu if

say he is not tightly conjunct with ketu. Because there are so many

born in a year with jup-ketu conjunction. I am talking about those

who have jupiter quite far from ketu but jupiter is retrograde.

> regards

> partha

>

>

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--- gopala krishnan <gopala28 wrote:

> Dear sir can i join the discussions i am very new in

> this hobby and i have learn the B v RAMANS BOOKS A

> BIT

> But i cant follow .Can you plese give a reading on

> my

> horoscope if you have the time ,my date of birth is

> 1-12-1947 Time of birth is 8.58pm standard

time.place of birth is sungei petani

> ,malaysia.[long 100E21 5N25]Thank you Sir.

> --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> wrote:

> > Respected Sanjay Rath Guruji,You are very kind.I

> > shall try to participate in the debates , now that

> > you have permitted me.It is said that nothing

> should

> > be hidden from the Guru even if

> unintentionally.Sir

> > when I said that I am a beginner I meant inthe

> sense

> > who has not even been able to have even a

> glimpseof

> > the Vast knowledge hidden in the Texts of

> > Astrology.I started my astrological studies when I

> > used to write horoscopes of Jataka's for my

> Father's

> > record.I was about 10years of age then(1956).Now I

> > am about 57 year old((1946 born).I have been able

> to

> > understand only a part of what is told by our

> > Ancient seers.I still have not much understanding

> of

> > Jamini Sutras and Ashtakvarga and the Ganit part

> of

> > Jyotish.In that sense I said and meant that I am a

> > beginner.I would like you to spare some time for

> me

> > and kindly let me know your assessment of my

> > Horoscope whenever you have time.My private e-mail

> > id is stephan1 date of Birth

> is

> > :26th Jan,1946Timeof Birth:04.20a.m.Place of

> birth:

> > Chandrapur (Maharashtra)

> > Regards,Chandrashekhar.----- Original Message

> -----

> > Sanjay Rath

> > Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:32 PMSubject:

> > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Lesson on

> Vipareetam

> > Ketoh

> > Om Gurave NamahDear Chandrasekhar,I have been

> > observing your erudite scholoarship in various

> > mails. You are definitely not a beginner. My views

> > on your nice points are given under. Do continue

> > this meaning ful discussion.Best Regards,Sanjay

> >

>

Rath71

> > Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Ph-1, New Delhi

> > 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201 Web:

> > http://srath.com http://.org

> >

>

-----Original

> > Message-----

> > Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:57 AM

> >

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Lesson on

> > Vipareetam Ketoh

> >

> > Respected Sanjay Rathji,I know that I am a

> beginner

> > and your poser is for those much advanced.However

> I

> > am daring to write this as there are a lot of

> > confusing references to Ketu relating to Moksha,

> > spirituality etc. in the texts.My understanding is

> > that Ketu in certain positions viz. alone in 12th

> > leads one to Moksha.This is preordained.Moksha

> being

> > attained on the bassis of Purva Punya and current

> > Life karma , though the actions may be right and

> in

> > conformity with spiritual thinking, it doesnot

> > neccessarily give an understanding of things

> > spirituals per se.

> > [Rath:] Such a position in the 12th from

> Atmakaraka

> > is more relevant as then the moksha is more

> > meaningful when considered from the Atma. The body

> > must go one day, so there is not much point in

> this

> > placement of ketu in the 12th from lagna. In 12th

> > bhava it does make the native religious and can

> > cause marital disturbance for 3 years - in the

> past

> > I have succeeded with the murti of a nartana

> > Ganapati kept near the head stand of the bed -

> saves

> > the marriage. Further it is said "Kujavat Ketu".

> > Therefore it follows that Ketu alone would act

> like

> > Mars.Now Mars is associated with Dambha and not

> > sprituality.Ketu probably gives rise to moksha as

> in

> > the designated position being alone he is not

> likely

> > to adjust well with opposite sex and could some

> time

> > become celibate, thus fulfiling the spiritual

> > requirement for complete emancipation in a way.

> > [Rath:] Kujavat Ketu is the intrinsic nature of

> Ketu

> > like Infra-red color of ketu is higher than that

> of

> > mars or the ultraviolet of rahu is deeper than the

> > violet of saturn. But mars is of a different

> > temperament. Just compare the Defence forces

> (Ketu)

> > with the Police (Mars)..just the fighter level and

> > not the thinkers level and you will appreciate the

> > point. Ketu causes 'soonya' or annuls everything

> it

> > joins - with Venus the native maintains celibacy

> and

> > becomes a tapaswi, with Jupiter the native

> renounces

> > wealth and desires the highest knowledge..in this

> > way Ketu is strange and unpredictable, working in

> > the most secret ways and very sudden. I agree with

> > the point you make about brahmacharya.. On the

> > other hand I think when we talk about really

> > understanding the sprituality then Saturn the deep

> > thinker and Jupiter the Religious planet have to

> > have good Sambandha.In horoscopes of Great

> religious

> > personality the Saturn-Jupiter connection would

> > invariably be seen.

> > [Rath:] Saturn & Jupiter have more to do with the

> > learning and knowledge, Brahma yoga indeed. Here

> the

> > deepest knowledge (Jupiter) of the tradition of

> > spirituality (Saturn) is handed down ..example

> Srila

> > Prabhupada Sat & Jup in 5th house in Navamsa, Sri

> > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu -Sat in 5 & Jup in Lagna in

> > navamsa. But Ketu is a different cup of tea..it is

> > the Jyotish..thus Jup & Ketu give the deepest

> > knowledge of Jyotish. Then we can conclude that

> > Jytish vidya does lead towards spirituality as it

> is

> > ruled by Mahavishnu (Jup) & Ganesha (Ketu).

> Please

> > pardon me if you feel that I have entered the

> > discussions without properly understanding the

> > subject.Regards,Chandrashekhar.

> > [Rath:] No need for this please, it is my

> > pleasure.RegardsSanjay Rath ----- Original Message

> > ----- Sanjay Rath To:

> > Wednesday,

> > October 23, 2002 3:00 PMRE: [sJC: Achyuta

> > Gurukul] Re: Lesson on Vipareetam Ketoh

> > Om Gurave NamahDear Sriram, This is something I

> > have been personally struggling with.Long time

> back

> > I was told that it is impossible for a doctor to

> > give himself medicine, so no matter how good he

> > maybe, he has to go to the neighbour doctor. This

> is

> > my situation. I too have Ketu in Arudha, and when

> I

> > thought I had understood, I 'FORGOT' to ask

> > questions, and that is why I was or rather am in a

> > dilemma. Look at the situation. Now, Ketu in the

> AL

> > is bound to influence the AL as a GRAHA and has to

> > show its stamp. That is why there is the dictum

> that

> > Rahu in 7th/12th from AL will make the native very

> > spiritual. My questions: i.e. questions which I

> > forgot to ask/did not understand or it was too

> late

> > to ask.. 1. Will this spirituality be real or

> > apparant? i.e. in the sence that it is the

> apparant

> > truth and not the real truth. What is spirituality

> > in this world of illusion? Will we ever get to

> know

> > the real truth so long as we stay in this body,

> > which again is untruth? 2. Situation A: The native

> > becomes spiritual and learns as a process of the

> > natural experiences in the birth chart, then,

> after

> > he becomes spiritual will the argala of Ketu in

> the

> > reverse affect the AL? This is based on certain

> > readings like if Saturn is in the ninth house, the

> > native suffers very much, but after he takes

> diksha

> > or mantra and joins any religious order, he

> becomes

> > fortunate and lucky. Thus we find that the same

> > Saturn which caused ill luck in the ninth house

> has

>

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Thank you for your kind mail. Actually i know the difference between jupiter and

venus and who causes wealth. But my doubt was something deeper. Sanjayji had

answered it beautifully. I was thinking, 1,4,7,10 houses are vishnu sthanas and

vishnu is the sutainer. 5, 9 are lakshmi sthanas and venus represents lakshmi.

Now i was thinking, if Vishnu would have given wealth, then why would everyone

pray lakshmi. And venus does represent vehicles, sukha, luxury and opulence.

Jupiter is a planet of both materialism and spirituality. Probably this is the

reason why dual signs represent vishnu.regardspartha

 

b_lakshmi_ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

Om Gurave NamahNamaste Partha,The following are the extracts from Narada purana,

sent by Ramapriya.I found these points very interesting and perhaps they do

answer your question.Regards,LakshmiVenus causes the following effects in the

first five houses : (1) Passionate and Happy; (2) Quarrelsome; (3) Anxious for

sexual pleasure; (4) Happy; and (5) Having many daughters; and in other houses

he gives the same results as Jupiter.Saturn occupying the ascendant at birth

makes one penniless, sickly, voluptuous, slovenly, sickly during childhood and

indolent; but if it is his exaltation, one becomes virtuously disposed, a king

or administrator of a village, learned and of attractive physique. In other

places he is similar to the Sun., partha sarathy

<partvinu5> wrote:> > OM NAMH SHIVAYA> Dear Sanjayji> Your lesson on ketu

brings tears to my eyes as it really beautiful. > You had said that jupiter

with ketu can mean a high desire for knowledge and especially good for

jyotish.> > My queries> a) Is it venus that gives the wealth or jupiter.

Because a nadi expert told me that my saturn is retro and is moving away from

venus-money and moving towards the combination of jupiter and ketu who are in

aries. And he further said that when jupiter enters pisces the feeling for

knowledge and feeling against money would descend. So i have a doubt as to who

gives wealth -and if jupiter gives wealth then what does lakshmi give(venus).>

> b) Jupiter -ketu conjunction has already been discussed,but i have a doubt.

Will the jupiter retrogression make him closer to ketu if say he is not tightly

conjunct with ketu. Because there are so many born in a year with jup-ketu

conjunction. I am talking about those who have jupiter quite far from ketu but

jupiter is retrograde.> regards> partha> > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya

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