RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

October 14, 2002

Thank you for the detailed explainations given.As I explained I am only a

beginner and the questions were posed in order to clarify some basic concepts

of Horary astrology with the help of learned Gurus such as your self for the

benefit of Astrologer fraternity.

I never meant that Divisional Chart should not be reffered to at all. As you

pointed out very correctly in case of twins they are the only means of arriving

at correct predictions.What I was highlight through my queries was that many

astrologers get too involved in D-Charts and this may lead to trying to reach

prediction through much more complicated route instead of the basic natal and

navamsha Charts.

I was also trying to draw atention to the fact(by inferrence) that as we go in

to smaller and smaler division of a rasi the relevant times goes on becoming

narrower upto about 2 minutes. Nothing wrong with this.But the accuracy of

birthtime in these days of ladies delievering in Nursing homes gets more

difficult to trust as ther are too many variables in recording of birth time.

The Nurse/ Doctor to whom request for recording time might have been made might

be too busy to record the correct time. He may not know whether time of egress

of the baby or his first cry is to be considered as birth time and last but not

the least his watch may not be showing correct time.In such cases would it not

be likely that some astrologers give wrong readings of Curses giving problems

from the D-60 charts? Would such predictions not harm cause of astrology, to

further which respectable Gurus like are giving their valuable time and efforts

selflessly?

About the Vishottari Dasha "Laghu Parashari" states in the initial stanza 3 or

4(I shall quote exact Stanza tomorrow if I can get the hang of Devnagari

Typing) that he is is explaining about Vinshottari Dasha and that Ashtottari is

not to be considered. I read about applicability of Vinshottary in Kaliyuga in

one of the Granthas and as soon I locate the quotation , I shall write to you.

I am really happy that you agree that reading of D Chart is to be given only 1/3rd weightage.

I have not said that Intensity of yogas are based exclusively on Graha and Bhava

Balas, probably I was not able to convey my meaning properly.I was only trying

to emphasise the point that Graha and Bhava Balas have to be considered

together with the Yogas to arrive at correct predictions.In the same para I

said "after assessing strengths of Grahas, Bhavas and Yogas; should not an

astrologer revert to the Natal Chart to arrive at predictions or assessment of

a Chart on the bassis of Aspects of planets their house lordships positions

and position of Gochar Planets and Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend

that Vinshottary dasha be reffered in Kaliyuga)?"

About strength of a planet leading to strength of yoga, what I meant was that

Guru for example in Capricorn in Navamsha(Graha Bhava Balas ,after all, are

arrived at only after considering the Divisional Charts) posited in House of

Mercury(Mithuna or Kanya) wirh Moon which is also in Scorpio in Navamsha is not

likely to give the same results of Gajakesari Yoga in say Sagggitarius Ascendant

Chart as Guru in Cancer in both Natal and Navamsha Chart with Taurus Navamsha

Moon in Scorpio Ascendant.The type of rajayoga that is likely could be assessed

from the Bhava in which it happens and strength of the bhava.

Respected Guruji, please do not think that I dispute your statements.I know what

you are stating is correct.I was merely trying to point out the pitfalls that

the uninitiated could encounter if they do not pay attention to basic tenets of

astrology of Sages.I was also trying to point out in my own not so efficient way

that the Yogas given in the texts have a certain bassis in the fundamental

principles of astrology and should not be taken merely literaly. An astrologer

should take into consideration the basic tenets while trying to avoid giving

out predictions based only on Yogas.

If you feel I have transgressed my limits as a seeker of knowledge, I am certain

you will pardon me with all the magnaminity that you have at your command.

With deep respect,

Chandrashekhar.

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Sanjay Rath

Monday, October 14, 2002 10:28 PM

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

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[boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Monday, October 14, 2002 1:45 AMTo:

SrijagannathCc: vedic astrologySubject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Considering aspects in divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

Dear Sanjay Rathji,NarsimhaPVR Rao and other Gurus,

I am a member of both lists and have added quite a lot to my meagre knowledge of

Astrology through them.I have a query about considering taking into

consideration aspects and position of Gochar planets and also of planets

posited in different Divisional Charts, on the bassi of planets' position in

the respective divisional Chart itself.I trust , if my query is found

amateurish by the Gurus; I would be pardoned as I am indeed an amateur.

It is said by ancient sages that predictions are to be done on the bassis of

strengths of Graha and Bhava Balas.The intensity of any Yoga is also to be

based on these.The Graha and Bhava Balas are assessed on the bassis of

Shadvarga Bala, Saptvargaj Bala or Shodash Varga Bala.If this is so then ,

after assessing strengths of Grahas, Bhavas and Yogas; should not an astrologer

revert to the Natal Chart to arrive at predictions or assessment of a Chart on

the bassis of Aspects of planets their house lordships positions and position

of Gochar Planets and Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend that

Vinshottary dasha be reffered in Kaliyuga)?[s.Rath:] Yes the chart should be

assessed for the Graha & Bhava Bala. Please explain where the literature

explain that the intensity of a yoga is based on the Graha or Bhava Bala. A

graha maybe strong and involved in more than one yoga. How will you say as to

how much strength will be used for which yoga. For example I have Guru in Hamsa

Yoga, Kalpadruma Yoga, Dharma karmadhipati Yoga, Sakata Yoga to break into

Mukuta and so many others. How can the strength of the guru tell me as to which

of the Yoga will be strong and when they will fructify? I rarely have the time

to study the divisions and when there is a need, i do study them in detail. The

rasi chart itself has so much to tell. But why are th d-charts not to be

studied. Where did you read this? Aspect of planets is just a tiny portion of

BPHS - not even a full chapter. Instead aspect of Rasi is a full independant

chapter. See what Parasara is calling important. Of course Vimsottari dasa is

crucial, Do read my latest book 'Vimsottari & Udu dasas' where I have explained

the vital importance and supremacy of the Vimsottari dasa among the udu dasa's.

Everyone should learn this. But where do the texts say that the other dasa

should not be rferred in Kaliyuga and when Parasara & Jaimini say something, it

is the real truth for us. Don't go by hearsay. Just read Parasara for yourself

and see what He says as being important.

My second question is : Divisional charts indicate only the section or division

of various rasis within the Rasi in which a planet is placed.It is therefore

quite possible that due to Anshas of Ascendant that the Ascendant in a

Divisional chart could, if reffered to separately make a Yogakaraka in Natal

Chart a Trishadaypati in Divisional Chart and if treated as such, for the

purposes of prediction ;could give wrong reading.[s.Rath:] No it will not give

a wrong reading. Every planet is not a rajyoga for every activity. Even during

the dasa of a rajyoga planet, there are many events which cause sorrow and many

activities which are negative. This is better seen from the D-chart. Independant

reading od a D-chart is only one-third of the matter. First read the division in

the Rasi chart, then the connection and finally the independant reading.

My Third question is : If the Ascendant in a Divisional chart is aspected, in

that Divisional Chart; by 5 or more planets then by the system of predicting

from divisional charts it could give a powerful Rajayoga whereas in the Natal

Chart there could be a powerful Rekayoga.[s.Rath:] That is why I said

one-third..and secondly, you should realise that the Rajyoga is expected only

in one aspect of life when it occurs in a D-chart. Again, real Rajyoga occus

with the GL & HL or the involvement of the char and other karakas. There are

too many factors. We shall deal with them when we teach Rajyoga.

My Fourth question is: Many a times I see that aspects in Divisional Chart are

quoted to explain some happening whereas with a little more application of mind

the event is reflected in the Natal Chart if Graha and Bhava Bala are

considered. Would this system of considering aspects or Gochar movement in

Divisional Charts not lead to lessening power of analysis of an astrologer and

lead to finding a suitable divisional Chart to suit known events?[s.Rath:]

There was achart of two twins born 2 minutes apart having almost all similar

charts excepting the D-60 and above. One of them died. The lady is still in GJ

List these days. How do you explain this with the Rasi chart alone? Look at the

other options carefully.

My final question is: In Hora Chart of ancient times where Hora of only Sun and

Moon were considered, all planets would be Dwidwadash from each other and as

such every chart would be ,to say the least, most unfortunate or Most fortunate

depending on whether the Astrologer is an optimist or a pessimist.Surely this

just is not possible.[s.Rath:] Yes, Kalyan Verma of Saravali gives other

options. Read my translation of the Jaimini sutras for about 3 options at

least.

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October 16, 2002

Hello and warm regards to All,

Might I ask you a very basic question?

Is the time of birth considered to be from the first cry of the child?

Thankyou for any response!!

Shamira

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Chandrashekhar Sharma

Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:48 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

Dear Sanjay Rath Guruji,