Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurus and Friends One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive your comments & corrections on the same. 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure Saturn. 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn. I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter, rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the maranakaranasthana of Jupiter. I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/ sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house. In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his own house. 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th aspect is attributed to Saturn. 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its strongest placed in 10th house. The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on Cancer. Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows… Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on virgo, the natural 6th house. If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit, flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. Waiting for your corrections, Regards, Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah --------------------------- Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala. Best wishes, Visti. sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Gurus and Friends > > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn. > > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter, > rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter. > > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/ > sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house. > > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his > own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn. > > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house. > > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on > Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the > natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal > 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows… > > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by > Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the > "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit, > flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and > beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a > state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond > aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections, > > Regards, > Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. Saturn. The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Mars Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) Jupiter Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. Rahu Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. Ketu Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) 7th house aspect of all planets All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. Please let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Hari - in_joy_i_scream sjvc Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah---------------------------Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala.Best wishes, Visti.--- In sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Gurus and Friends> > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter,> rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter.> > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/> sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house.> > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his> own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house.> > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on> Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the> natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal> 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows…> > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by> Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the> "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit,> flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and> beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a> state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond> aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> LakshmiYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Om Namo Naaraayanaayah! ---------------------- Dear Hari! Thanks for such a nice explaination of Graha Drishti. After going through your comments I got some very valuable points and started thinking further in the same direction. Hence following point also came to mind apart from those you have mentioned in your description. SATURN (3rd and 10th aspects) As the saturn is the planet of justice and it punishes the people of their wrong karmas and try to make the person to realise the presence of Alimighty and make the person to follow the right karma he aptly feels to guide a person in his karma and hence desires for 10th aspect. Similarly for a person his tools/weapons of livelihood are more important to aid his karma hence Saturns desires for 3rd aspect to aid his 10th aspect. JUPITER (5th and 9th aspects) As the jupiter is the planet of knowledge/wisdom it's desire is to influence the intelligence of a person with higher knowledge and wisdom hence the 5th aspect of Jupiter. Also as Jupiter is the karaka for the offspring (children) its 5th aspect is justified. Similarly as Jupiter is like preceptor and deva guru his desire is to uplift the dharma and hence its desires are seen in 9th aspect. 7th Aspect of All planets As it is the curiosity of every one to have a watch on what is there just in the opposite to them. So also every planets curiosity is to peep and dires to influence the house just opposite to it. Hence the 7th aspect. Those were the things that came to my mind regarding the Graha Dristhi after going through Hari's nice explainations about them. Kindly Visti, Hari and all others correct my views wherever I am wrong. Thanks and Regards, PK * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * sjvc, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Visti, > > Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. > > Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. > > 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. > 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. > > Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. > > Saturn. > > The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). > > Mars > > Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) > > Jupiter > > Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. > > Rahu > > Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. > > Ketu > > Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) > > 7th house aspect of all planets > > All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. > > You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. > > Please let me know your comments/corrections. > > Regards > > Hari > > > > > - > in_joy_i_scream > sjvc > Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM > [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah > --------------------------- > Dear Hari, > Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', > when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala. > Best wishes, Visti. > > sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Gurus and Friends > > > > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects > and > > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to > receive > > your comments & corrections on the same. > > > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > > Saturn. > > > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn. > > > > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in > Gemini, > > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter, > > rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated > to > > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that > hardly > > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter. > > > > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of > all > > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/ > > sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house. > > > > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good > luck, > > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his > > own house. > > > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > > aspect is attributed to Saturn. > > > > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted > in > > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at > its > > strongest placed in 10th house. > > > > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural > 4th > > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows > of > > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth.7th aspect on > > Cancer. > > > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the > natural > > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects.the > > natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, > debilitates > > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house.the zodiacal > > 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows. > > > > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by > > Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the > > "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit, > > flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and > > beyond Sahasraara by Ketu.attaining both of which indicate a > > state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond > the > > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas.beyond karma, beyond > > aspects.it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > > > Waiting for your corrections, > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > Sponsor > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 beautifull explanation. rahu also aspects 12th from it (in the direction opposite to his movement). why? can it be explained like this? is it because he takes us ultimately to the loss of self..either as a criminal or as a phylosopher? jk Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:43 AM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. Saturn. The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Mars Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) Jupiter Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. Rahu Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. Ketu Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) 7th house aspect of all planets All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. Please let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Hari - in_joy_i_scream sjvc Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah---------------------------Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala.Best wishes, Visti.--- In sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Gurus and Friends> > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter,> rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter.> > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/> sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house.> > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his> own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house.> > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on> Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the> natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal> 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows…> > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by> Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the> "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit,> flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and> beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a> state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond> aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear JK, Yes. It can be explained. Rahu signifies our desires and hence is the caouse of re-birth. That;s why he desires to aspect the 12th!.(opp to his direction) Regds Hari - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:38 PM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects beautifull explanation. rahu also aspects 12th from it (in the direction opposite to his movement). why? can it be explained like this? is it because he takes us ultimately to the loss of self..either as a criminal or as a phylosopher? jk Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:43 AM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. Saturn. The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Mars Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) Jupiter Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. Rahu Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. Ketu Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) 7th house aspect of all planets All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. Please let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Hari - in_joy_i_scream sjvc Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah---------------------------Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala.Best wishes, Visti.--- In sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Gurus and Friends> > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter,> rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter.> > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/> sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house.> > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his> own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house.> > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on> Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the> natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal> 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows…> > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by> Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the> "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit,> flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and> beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a> state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond> aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> LakshmiYour use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear JK, Yes. Rahu's aspect of 12th can be explained. Rahu signifies our desires and hence is the caouse of re-birth. That;s why he desires to aspect the 12th!.(opp to his direction) Regds Hari - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:38 PM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects beautifull explanation. rahu also aspects 12th from it (in the direction opposite to his movement). why? can it be explained like this? is it because he takes us ultimately to the loss of self..either as a criminal or as a phylosopher? jk Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:43 AM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. Saturn. The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Mars Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) Jupiter Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. Rahu Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. Ketu Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) 7th house aspect of all planets All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. Please let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Hari - in_joy_i_scream sjvc Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah---------------------------Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala.Best wishes, Visti.--- In sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Gurus and Friends> > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter,> rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter.> > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/> sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house.> > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his> own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house.> > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on> Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the> natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal> 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows…> > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by> Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the> "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit,> flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and> beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a> state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond> aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> LakshmiYour use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Hari, That was a good read. In the case of Saturn the 3rd aspect signifies his desire to control Dharmic service as the 3rd is the 6th from the ninth house of dharma.I could be way off the mark here but Saturn signifies service and he does enforce justice(Dharma). I am a little confused about your remarks on the 5th and 9th aspects of Guru. The 5th stands for purva-punya(good karma from the past lives) and the 9th stands for the current fortune or Bhagya, so wouldnt the order be that Guru desires to see our past actions(purva Punya) and guide us in future(9th-Dharma, Bhagya etc). Thanks. Hare Krishna Sudharsan Katti Narahari wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear JK, Yes. Rahu's aspect of 12th can be explained. Rahu signifies our desires and hence is the caouse of re-birth. That;s why he desires to aspect the 12th!.(opp to his direction) Regds Hari - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:38 PM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects beautifull explanation. rahu also aspects 12th from it (in the direction opposite to his movement). why? can it be explained like this? is it because he takes us ultimately to the loss of self..either as a criminal or as a phylosopher? jk Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:43 AM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. Saturn. The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Mars Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) Jupiter Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. Rahu Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. Ketu Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) 7th house aspect of all planets All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. Please let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Hari - in_joy_i_scream sjvc Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah---------------------------Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala.Best wishes, Visti.--- In sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Gurus and Friends> > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter,> rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter.> > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/> sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house.> > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his> own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house.> > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on> Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the> natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal> 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows…> > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by> Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the> "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit,> flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and> beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a> state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond> aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi Your use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah Dear Hari, PK and JK, Good stuff, few additions: a) Mars is hence known as Rudra due to his 8th aspect. b) Mars' aspect on the 4th is of a protective nature, and indicates the desire to have lands(bhoomi) to protect the family. Best wishes, Visti. - Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:29 PM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear JK, Yes. Rahu's aspect of 12th can be explained. Rahu signifies our desires and hence is the caouse of re-birth. That;s why he desires to aspect the 12th!.(opp to his direction) Regds Hari - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:38 PM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects beautifull explanation. rahu also aspects 12th from it (in the direction opposite to his movement). why? can it be explained like this? is it because he takes us ultimately to the loss of self..either as a criminal or as a phylosopher? jk Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:43 AM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. Saturn. The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Mars Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) Jupiter Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. Rahu Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. Ketu Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) 7th house aspect of all planets All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. Please let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Hari - in_joy_i_scream sjvc Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah---------------------------Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala.Best wishes, Visti.--- In sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Gurus and Friends> > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter,> rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter.> > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/> sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house.> > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his> own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house.> > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on> Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the> natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal> 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows…> > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by> Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the> "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit,> flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and> beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a> state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond> aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi Your use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah Dear Hari, Are there any houses that the grahas do not aspect? List them. Best wishes, Visti. - Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:29 PM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear JK, Yes. Rahu's aspect of 12th can be explained. Rahu signifies our desires and hence is the caouse of re-birth. That;s why he desires to aspect the 12th!.(opp to his direction) Regds Hari - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:38 PM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects beautifull explanation. rahu also aspects 12th from it (in the direction opposite to his movement). why? can it be explained like this? is it because he takes us ultimately to the loss of self..either as a criminal or as a phylosopher? jk Katti Narahari sjvc Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:43 AM Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. Saturn. The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Mars Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) Jupiter Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. Rahu Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. Ketu Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) 7th house aspect of all planets All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. Please let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Hari - in_joy_i_scream sjvc Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah---------------------------Dear Hari, Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala.Best wishes, Visti.--- In sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Gurus and Friends> > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects and > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to receive > your comments & corrections on the same. > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > Saturn. > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in Gemini, > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter,> rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated to > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that hardly > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter.> > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of all > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/> sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house.> > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good luck, > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his> own house. > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > aspect is attributed to Saturn.> > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted in > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at its > strongest placed in 10th house.> > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural 4th > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows of > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth…7th aspect on> Cancer. > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the natural > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects…the> natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, debilitates > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house…the zodiacal> 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows…> > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by> Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the> "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit,> flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and> beyond Sahasraara by Ketu…attaining both of which indicate a> state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond the > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas…beyond karma, beyond> aspects…it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > Waiting for your corrections,> > Regards,> Lakshmi Your use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Om Namo Naaraayanaayah! ---------------------- Dear Visti/Hari and other members! There are no full aspects for 2nd, 6th and 11th houses. 6th house being the house of enemies and diseases, no planet will desire to have 6th aspect just similar to no person wants to look at the diseases/enemies. I did not get any ideas for the lack of 2nd and 11th aspect except for the fact that they are the maraka houses. Kindly enlighten me with the reason for the lack of 2nd, 6th and 11th aspects. Thanks and Regards, PK * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * sjvc, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah > > -- ------------ > > Dear Hari, > Are there any houses that the grahas do not aspect? List them. > Best wishes, Visti. > - > Katti Narahari > sjvc > Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:29 PM > Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear JK, > > Yes. Rahu's aspect of 12th can be explained. Rahu signifies our desires and hence is the caouse of re-birth. That;s why he desires to aspect the 12th!.(opp to his direction) > > Regds > > Hari > - > j.k. dasgupta > sjvc > Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:38 PM > Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > beautifull explanation. > > rahu also aspects 12th from it (in the direction opposite to his movement). why? can it be explained like this? is it because he takes us ultimately to the loss of self..either as a criminal or as a phylosopher? > > jk > Katti Narahari > sjvc > Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:43 AM > Re: [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Visti, > > Thanks for this assignment. Will try to answer the concept of desire vis-a-vis graha drishti. > > Graha drishti or planetary aspect denotes the desire of planets that are manifested in people. Here are the graha drishti's of all planets. > > 1. All planets aspect the 7th from themselves. For example Sun in Cancer will aspect Capricorn. > 2. Planets like mars, Saturn, Jupiter have special aspects in addition to their aspecting 7th house. > > Since the graha drishti is the desire that stems from the inherent nature of the planet, let;s see why each planet aspects the said houses from their location. > > Saturn. > > The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). > > Mars > > Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of) > > Jupiter > > Jupiter is the deva guru. Jupiter is the elder, guru or the preceptor. What does the preceptor desire? Jupiter sees our past actions ->9th and blesses the future ->5th. Thus Jupiter desires are seen in his aspects of 5th and 9th. > > Rahu > > Though only a mathematical point, Rahu's aspect also is based on a desire inherent to rahu itself. Rahu is always opposed to Jupiter the deva guru. Hence the desire of rahu is to see all our past actions (9th) but cruses our future (5th). Thus the aspects of rahu are reverse to that of Jupiter. The inherent nature of rahu is that of a one who has only the head. Hence he has a mind but no heart. He could be a perfect criminal or a perfect philosopher too. > > Ketu > > Ketu has no head and hence no eyes and cant see anything. He only possesses a heart. Thus ketu does not have any desire. (no graha drishti) > > 7th house aspect of all planets > > All planets aspect the 7th house from themselves. The 7th house is the house of Kama or desires. Here all planets see the 7th house fully or with complete strength. Since graha drishti is the manifestation of desires of planets/people the 7th house aspect of kama inherently shows all people are to different degrees are perverts or have the desire for perverted desires. > > You have specifically mentioned not to talk about Drishti Bala, i take it you meant the quantum of aspect. Will eagerly wait for that discussion. > > Please let me know your comments/corrections. > > Regards > > Hari > > > > > - > in_joy_i_scream > sjvc > Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:47 PM > [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah > --------------------------- > Dear Hari, > Please answer the bellow email, and stress the concept of 'desire', > when reckoning Graha Dristi. Stay away from the dristi bala. > Best wishes, Visti. > > sjvc, "b_lakshmi_ramesh" <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Gurus and Friends > > > > One Sunday, while going for a long walk, I was musing on aspects > and > > special aspects and the following occured to me and I hope to > receive > > your comments & corrections on the same. > > > > 1)All planets aspect 7 house from them..the aspect of pure > > Saturn. > > > > 2)All odd special aspects 3, 5, 9 can be considered aspects of > > Jupiter, though 3rd aspect is attributed to Saturn. > > > > I feel 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of weak jupiter in > Gemini, > > Rahu's exaltation house. Could it be that Gemini, the seat > > of "maaya" , is the real debilitation house of Jupiter, > > rather than Capricorn? Infact, in "Jatakachandrika" the effect of > > Jupiter placed in Aries, cancer, scorpio and Capricorn is stated > to > > be that the native will get to build ponds, gardens, temples and > > museums and will be respected and revered on earth. Now, that > hardly > > sounds like Jupiter in debilitation! Further, 3H is also the > > maranakaranasthana of Jupiter. > > > > I am sure that if we consider the special aspects of Rahu, 2/12 > > (opposing Ketu), 5th (opposing Sun) and 9th (opposing Jupiter) one > > can truly appreciate the fact that Rahu is the real Antithesis of > all > > that Ketu /Sun /Jupiter signify. > > > > Leo the natural 5th house rules "Dhi" / poorvapunya / progeny/ > > sishya/intuition, for all of which Jupiter is a karaka. > > Further here, Jupiter is in the house of his great friend and > > according to Guruji Sanjay Rath, Jupiter is the higher spectrum of > > Sun, so it's akin to Jupiter being in own house. > > > > In Dhanus, the natural 9th house ruling Dharma, Guru and good > luck, > > the same principle applies, but more potently since he's in his > > own house. > > > > 3)All even aspects 4,8,10 are aspects of Mars, though 10th > > aspect is attributed to Saturn. > > > > 10th aspect of Saturn is like that of exalted Mars, who is exalted > in > > the natural 10th house of action,i.e., Capricorn. Mars is also at > its > > strongest placed in 10th house. > > > > The natural 8th house, Scorpio, is owned by Mars and the natural > 4th > > house, Cancer, is the debilitation house of Mars. > > > > I also feel that Capricorn, the natural 10th house, karma sthana > > forms the crux of all aspects / special aspects..which are shadows > of > > our past karma /D-60 and lead to new/re-birth.7th aspect on > > Cancer. > > > > Since Saturn forms the crux of all aspects, Sun (Soul), the > natural > > antithesis of Saturn (karma), will not form any aspects.the > > natural 5th house Leo, moolatrikona of Sun, exalts none, > debilitates > > none and does not cast any aspect on the 7th house.the zodiacal > > 11th house. It's like Sun at noon casting no shadows. > > > > Same is the case with zodiacal 12th house, moolatrikona of Ketu, > > representing Mukthi/emancipation. It will not cast any aspect on > > virgo, the natural 6th house. > > > > If the zodiacal position of Saturn's houses being flanked by > > Jupiter and then fanning out to Mars is considered along with the > > "chakra" concept, where Saturn+Moon are treated as one unit, > > flanked by Jupiter (at the higher/subtle end) and Mars (at the > > lower/physical end)..I think it all makes sense. If one takes into > > account the fact that "sahasraara" is lorded by Sun and > > beyond Sahasraara by Ketu.attaining both of which indicate a > > state of pure consciousness/ Light and divinity that lie beyond > the > > pale of birth & body and its various avasthas.beyond karma, beyond > > aspects.it all seems to make a lot of sense. > > > > Waiting for your corrections, > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Namaste Visti, Hari and others friends, First of all, let me thank you all for a lovely discussion on “aspects and special aspects”. My intention in writing this particular mail was to place before you my premise that all full aspects / special aspects, even though they might be cast by the same planet, are not the same. Was I wrong or right in my assumption? Let me briefly restate my case: Saturn’s 3rd aspect has more of Jupiter…might be a debilitated one....than of Saturn. And the 10th aspect has more of Mars than of Saturn again. Only the 7th aspect is that of his own. Like Hari so correctly observed, 7th house does indicate unfulfilled desires (Venus) and Saturn is the strongest in Venus’s house, because karma arises out of kama. Even among the aspects of Jupiter, the 5th aspect has different connotations (more of Sun…Jupiter is “jiva” here ruling progeny (soul), power etc) compared to the 9th one, which is most Jupiterian. Both are not one and the same. For example, Hari, you wrote that “Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of)” Lakshmi: Mars rules both the 1st and 8th houses of natural Zodiac. The 1st house rules creation/birth and the 8th house rules longevity or continuance of that creation/birth. Infact, Mars rules cuts/injuries/accidents etc and all these are attributes of the process of birth as well as death….or am I wrong? Death can be without blood and pain and can be tranquil, but birth is invariably a painful process. Since Mars is debilitated in 4H in all ways, his desire to “harm blood” is understandable. Infact, today I read in papers that for “Thalessamia” a severe haemoglobin disorder that requires frequent blood transfusions, the cure could be to treat/strengthen “majja” / bone marrow (where red blood cells originate)…ruled by Mars! Such a treatment is already being successfully carried out in CMC, Vellore. It is often stated by Shri B.V. Raman that all planets, whether benefics or malefics, give good results and protect their houses when they are strong and bad results when they are weak. Now Mars is physical energy personified (quintessential Aries-moolatrikona) and 8th is Mars’s own house, so how can his desire to “harm longevity” be justified? But Mars is indeed Rudra, and 8th house does rule cause & place of death….could this be because Scorpio is co-lorded by Ketu, the Mokshakaraka and he’s the real “Randhra”? And, since he’s a non-body planet, Mars, the other lord, gives his effects? Anyway, what I finally want to know is whether Mars’s status in 4th & 8th houses the same? If not, then can both aspects have the same effect? 8th aspect of Mars would have more of Ketu than Mars and since Mars is the karaka for action, and is strongest in 10th house, the 10th aspect of Saturn should logically belong to the essential Mars. A few words about Saturn: Hari: The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Lakshmi: Saturn’s inherent nature is to contract, not to expand. “Expansive” is the term mostly used to describe Jupiter. The term “upachaya” itself indicates an area of grey, an area of free will / an elastic space that is susceptible to all kinds of kinetic influences and interplay of desires and actions…of intellectual/subtle/dharma (Jupiter) and physical /gross/action(Mars) that result in karma/rebirth or in core Saturn/Moon. What do you folks think of my argument that the real debilitation of Jupiter takes place in Gemini? I keep thinking of those lines in Bhagavadgita…Dharma kshetre…kurukshetre..and the reference here is not to a hermitage…it’s to the karma kshetra, where the balance sheet of life is unequivocally settled. I also think of “yathra yogeswara krishno yathra partho dhanurdharah tatrasreervijayobhootih dhruvaa neetirmathirmama” which in essence talks of dharma-karmadhipati yoga…a yoga of convergence of thought and action, where the action (enlightened Arjuna ready for battle) is led (preceded) by Truth/Dharma and whose Kapidhwaja is Ketu / moksha. BTW, don't you think that Hanuman, the Navama brahma (9th Brahma) is more of Ketu than Mars…the way he tried to swallow /eclipse the Sun; was punished with a changed face/new face; learnt from the Sun; is all heart, where Rama (Sun) is enshrined; he’s the epitome of control, one who has no desires; the Chiranjeevi..one who had defeated the cycle of birth &death or is a Jeevan muktha. The conjunction of 9th & 10th houses…strangely enough if one reads Sage Parasara’s description of 2nd half of Dhanus and 1st half of Capricorn one is struck by the similarity ..both rise with their back and are quadrupeds, ofcourse the first one is tejaswi while the second one is tapaswi. I keep wondering about this seemingly common ground of 30degrees and suddenly the phrase “dhanurmandala samsthaaya” with reference to Saturn surfaces in my mind…as does the fact that Jupiter is termed as strong in makara. Indeed it’s the Gajendra’s debilitation (caught by the makara) that triggered the Lord’s appearance. It’s that kind of debilitation for which the great sages perform centuries of penance…it’s that kind of debilitation which even the celestials would covet. Please do let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Lakshmi Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Friends, Just an after thought...when checking the effectiveness of an aspect, say the 5th aspect of Jupiter for progeny, should one also take into account the strength of Sun? Regards, Lakshmi sjvc, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > Namaste Visti, Hari and others friends, > > First of all, let me thank you all for a lovely discussion on "aspects and special aspects". My intention in writing this particular mail was to place before you my premise that all full aspects / special aspects, even though they might be cast by the same planet, are not the same. Was I wrong or right in my assumption? > > Let me briefly restate my case: Saturn's 3rd aspect has more of Jupiter…might be a debilitated one....than of Saturn. And the 10th aspect has more of Mars than of Saturn again. Only the 7th aspect is that of his own. Like Hari so correctly observed, 7th house does indicate unfulfilled desires (Venus) and Saturn is the strongest in Venus's house, because karma arises out of kama. > > Even among the aspects of Jupiter, the 5th aspect has different connotations (more of Sun…Jupiter is "jiva" here ruling progeny (soul), power etc) compared to the 9th one, which is most Jupiterian. Both are not one and the same. > > For example, Hari, you wrote that > > "Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of)" > > Lakshmi: Mars rules both the 1st and 8th houses of natural Zodiac. The 1st house rules creation/birth and the 8th house rules longevity or continuance of that creation/birth. Infact, Mars rules cuts/injuries/accidents etc and all these are attributes of the process of birth as well as death….or am I wrong? Death can be without blood and pain and can be tranquil, but birth is invariably a painful process. Since Mars is debilitated in 4H in all ways, his desire to "harm blood" is understandable. Infact, today I read in papers that for "Thalessamia" a severe haemoglobin disorder that requires frequent blood transfusions, the cure could be to treat/strengthen "majja" / bone marrow (where red blood cells originate)…ruled by Mars! Such a treatment is already being successfully carried out in CMC, Vellore. > > It is often stated by Shri B.V. Raman that all planets, whether benefics or malefics, give good results and protect their houses when they are strong and bad results when they are weak. Now Mars is physical energy personified (quintessential Aries-moolatrikona) and 8th is Mars's own house, so how can his desire to "harm longevity" be justified? But Mars is indeed Rudra, and 8th house does rule cause & place of death….could this be because Scorpio is co-lorded by Ketu, the Mokshakaraka and he's the real "Randhra"? And, since he's a non-body planet, Mars, the other lord, gives his effects? > > Anyway, what I finally want to know is whether Mars's status in 4th & 8th houses the same? If not, then can both aspects have the same effect? 8th aspect of Mars would have more of Ketu than Mars and since Mars is the karaka for action, and is strongest in 10th house, the 10th aspect of Saturn should logically belong to the essential Mars. > > A few words about Saturn: > > Hari: The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). > > Lakshmi: Saturn's inherent nature is to contract, not to expand. "Expansive" is the term mostly used to describe Jupiter. The term "upachaya" itself indicates an area of grey, an area of free will / an elastic space that is susceptible to all kinds of kinetic influences and interplay of desires and actions…of intellectual/subtle/dharma (Jupiter) and physical /gross/action(Mars) that result in karma/rebirth or in core Saturn/Moon. > > What do you folks think of my argument that the real debilitation of Jupiter takes place in Gemini? I keep thinking of those lines in Bhagavadgita…Dharma kshetre…kurukshetre..and the reference here is not to a hermitage…it's to the karma kshetra, where the balance sheet of life is unequivocally settled. I also think of > > "yathra yogeswara krishno yathra partho dhanurdharah > > tatrasreervijayobhootih dhruvaa neetirmathirmama" > > which in essence talks of dharma-karmadhipati yoga…a yoga of convergence of thought and action, where the action (enlightened Arjuna ready for battle) is led (preceded) by Truth/Dharma and whose Kapidhwaja is Ketu / moksha. BTW, don't you think that Hanuman, the Navama brahma (9th Brahma) is more of Ketu than Mars…the way he tried to swallow /eclipse the Sun; was punished with a changed face/new face; learnt from the Sun; is all heart, where Rama (Sun) is enshrined; he's the epitome of control, one who has no desires; the Chiranjeevi..one who had defeated the cycle of birth &death or is a Jeevan muktha. > > The conjunction of 9th & 10th houses…strangely enough if one reads Sage Parasara's description of 2nd half of Dhanus and 1st half of Capricorn one is struck by the similarity ..both rise with their back and are quadrupeds, ofcourse the first one is tejaswi while the second one is tapaswi. I keep wondering about this seemingly common ground of 30degrees and suddenly the phrase "dhanurmandala samsthaaya" with reference to Saturn surfaces in my mind…as does the fact that Jupiter is termed as strong in makara. Indeed it's the Gajendra's debilitation (caught by the makara) that triggered the Lord's appearance. It's that kind of debilitation for which the great sages perform centuries of penance…it's that kind of debilitation which even the celestials would covet. > > Please do let me know your comments/corrections. > > Regards > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah Dear Lakshmi, Comments bellow. - lakshmi ramesh sjvc Friday, September 06, 2002 10:27 AM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, Hari and others friends, First of all, let me thank you all for a lovely discussion on “aspects and special aspects”. My intention in writing this particular mail was to place before you my premise that all full aspects / special aspects, even though they might be cast by the same planet, are not the same. Was I wrong or right in my assumption? Visti: Let me qoute Varahamihira on the same; Brihat Jataka: Chapter 2 - Sloka 13: "All the planets aspect the 3rd and 10th houses with a quarter sight. The 5th and 9th with a half sigh. The 4th and 8th with 3 quarters of a sight, and the 7th house with full sight.. But Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th with full sight, Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th with full sight, and Mars aspects the 4th and 8th with full sight." This shows that allthough all grahas to aspect these houses, the outer planets have a SPECIAL desire to aspect certain houses in the zodiac.. i.e. they WANTO see these houses, and influence their affairs. Now why would Jupiter wanto have anything todo with the 3rd house you should ask? Let me briefly restate my case: Saturn’s 3rd aspect has more of Jupiter…might be a debilitated one....than of Saturn. And the 10th aspect has more of Mars than of Saturn again. Only the 7th aspect is that of his own. Like Hari so correctly observed, 7th house does indicate unfulfilled desires (Venus) and Saturn is the strongest in Venus’s house, because karma arises out of kama. Visti: All planets have desires. Saturn gets exalted in the natural 7th because it causes rebirth, which only confirms that desires cause our rebirth. Even among the aspects of Jupiter, the 5th aspect has different connotations (more of Sun…Jupiter is “jiva” here ruling progeny (soul), power etc) compared to the 9th one, which is most Jupiterian. Both are not one and the same. For example, Hari, you wrote that “Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of)” Lakshmi: Mars rules both the 1st and 8th houses of natural Zodiac. The 1st house rules creation/birth and the 8th house rules longevity or continuance of that creation/birth. Infact, Mars rules cuts/injuries/accidents etc and all these are attributes of the process of birth as well as death….or am I wrong? Death can be without blood and pain and can be tranquil, but birth is invariably a painful process. Since Mars is debilitated in 4H in all ways, his desire to “harm blood” is understandable. Infact, today I read in papers that for “Thalessamia” a severe haemoglobin disorder that requires frequent blood transfusions, the cure could be to treat/strengthen “majja” / bone marrow (where red blood cells originate)…ruled by Mars! Such a treatment is already being successfully carried out in CMC, Vellore. Visti: Explain why the choice for Matri Sthira Karaka is between Mars and Moon? It is often stated by Shri B.V. Raman that all planets, whether benefics or malefics, give good results and protect their houses when they are strong and bad results when they are weak. Now Mars is physical energy personified (quintessential Aries-moolatrikona) and 8th is Mars’s own house, so how can his desire to “harm longevity” be justified? But Mars is indeed Rudra, and 8th house does rule cause & place of death….could this be because Scorpio is co-lorded by Ketu, the Mokshakaraka and he’s the real “Randhra”? And, since he’s a non-body planet, Mars, the other lord, gives his effects? Visti: Mars' job is to give us strength to go through life, but as all true warriors know and have understood, 'All that lives must invariably die' only the way of dying changes. Dying on the battlefield is still highly esteemed. Hence Mars also feels at home in the 8th house. Anyway, what I finally want to know is whether Mars’s status in 4th & 8th houses the same? If not, then can both aspects have the same effect? 8th aspect of Mars would have more of Ketu than Mars and since Mars is the karaka for action, and is strongest in 10th house, the 10th aspect of Saturn should logically belong to the essential Mars. A few words about Saturn: Hari: The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th). Lakshmi: Saturn’s inherent nature is to contract, not to expand. “Expansive” is the term mostly used to describe Jupiter. The term “upachaya” itself indicates an area of grey, an area of free will / an elastic space that is susceptible to all kinds of kinetic influences and interplay of desires and actions…of intellectual/subtle/dharma (Jupiter) and physical /gross/action(Mars) that result in karma/rebirth or in core Saturn/Moon. Visti: Jupiter rules expansion because it blesses in excess. Everybody grows, but this isn't the function of Jupiter. Saturn aspects the Upachaya Sthana(except 6th and 11th) and is also the karaka for longevity! Its counterpart - Mars is the karaka of death, hence we can compare the two. What do you folks think of my argument that the real debilitation of Jupiter takes place in Gemini? I keep thinking of those lines in Bhagavadgita…Dharma kshetre…kurukshetre..and the reference here is not to a hermitage…it’s to the karma kshetra, where the balance sheet of life is unequivocally settled. I also think of “yathra yogeswara krishno yathra partho dhanurdharah tatrasreervijayobhootih dhruvaa neetirmathirmama” which in essence talks of dharma-karmadhipati yoga…a yoga of convergence of thought and action, where the action (enlightened Arjuna ready for battle) is led (preceded) by Truth/Dharma and whose Kapidhwaja is Ketu / moksha. BTW, don't you think that Hanuman, the Navama brahma (9th Brahma) is more of Ketu than Mars…the way he tried to swallow /eclipse the Sun; was punished with a changed face/new face; learnt from the Sun; is all heart, where Rama (Sun) is enshrined; he’s the epitome of control, one who has no desires; the Chiranjeevi..one who had defeated the cycle of birth &death or is a Jeevan muktha. The conjunction of 9th & 10th houses…strangely enough if one reads Sage Parasara’s description of 2nd half of Dhanus and 1st half of Capricorn one is struck by the similarity ..both rise with their back and are quadrupeds, ofcourse the first one is tejaswi while the second one is tapaswi. I keep wondering about this seemingly common ground of 30degrees and suddenly the phrase “dhanurmandala samsthaaya” with reference to Saturn surfaces in my mind…as does the fact that Jupiter is termed as strong in makara. Indeed it’s the Gajendra’s debilitation (caught by the makara) that triggered the Lord’s appearance. It’s that kind of debilitation for which the great sages perform centuries of penance…it ’s that kind of debilitation which even the celestials would covet. Visti: Lakshmi, please clarify exactly why you feel gemini could be the debilitation of Jupiter?. I don't understand your point. Jupiter doesn't represent the soul, but represents the Dhi, which guides the soul as well as the guru of the same. The first lesson we learn is that the SUN is the soul and Jupiter is its guide. If you study Pachakadi Sambandha, we find that the Souls Vedhak(cause of fall) is Venus, hence sex and wordly comforts, cause the fall of the atma. Hence the reason that Venus in 8th is a combination for sages. Best wishes, Visti. Please do let me know your comments/corrections. Regards Lakshmi Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah Dear Lakshmi, 5th is progeny, but 3rd is conception. Sun rules the ability to give life, hence concieve. 5th brings the children. Best wishes, Visti. - b_lakshmi_ramesh sjvc Friday, September 06, 2002 12:45 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave NamahDear Friends,Just an after thought...when checking the effectiveness of an aspect, say the 5th aspect of Jupiter for progeny, should one also take into account the strength of Sun?Regards,Lakshmisjvc, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> Namaste Visti, Hari and others friends,> > First of all, let me thank you all for a lovely discussion on "aspects and special aspects". My intention in writing this particular mail was to place before you my premise that all full aspects / special aspects, even though they might be cast by the same planet, are not the same. Was I wrong or right in my assumption? > > Let me briefly restate my case: Saturn's 3rd aspect has more of Jupiter…might be a debilitated one....than of Saturn. And the 10th aspect has more of Mars than of Saturn again. Only the 7th aspect is that of his own. Like Hari so correctly observed, 7th house does indicate unfulfilled desires (Venus) and Saturn is the strongest in Venus's house, because karma arises out of kama. > > Even among the aspects of Jupiter, the 5th aspect has different connotations (more of Sun…Jupiter is "jiva" here ruling progeny (soul), power etc) compared to the 9th one, which is most Jupiterian. Both are not one and the same.> > For example, Hari, you wrote that > > "Mars aspects the 4th and the 8th. Mars through it;s aspect on the 4th and the 8th signifies it;s desire to harm blood and longevity. That is mars desire. Thus the inherent desire for mars is cuts, injuries and accidents. From this i think it;s clear that it;s actually mars who gives the cause of death and not Saturn. (as mistakenly thought of)"> > Lakshmi: Mars rules both the 1st and 8th houses of natural Zodiac. The 1st house rules creation/birth and the 8th house rules longevity or continuance of that creation/birth. Infact, Mars rules cuts/injuries/accidents etc and all these are attributes of the process of birth as well as death….or am I wrong? Death can be without blood and pain and can be tranquil, but birth is invariably a painful process. Since Mars is debilitated in 4H in all ways, his desire to "harm blood" is understandable. Infact, today I read in papers that for "Thalessamia" a severe haemoglobin disorder that requires frequent blood transfusions, the cure could be to treat/strengthen "majja" / bone marrow (where red blood cells originate)…ruled by Mars! Such a treatment is already being successfully carried out in CMC, Vellore.> > It is often stated by Shri B.V. Raman that all planets, whether benefics or malefics, give good results and protect their houses when they are strong and bad results when they are weak. Now Mars is physical energy personified (quintessential Aries-moolatrikona) and 8th is Mars's own house, so how can his desire to "harm longevity" be justified? But Mars is indeed Rudra, and 8th house does rule cause & place of death….could this be because Scorpio is co-lorded by Ketu, the Mokshakaraka and he's the real "Randhra"? And, since he's a non-body planet, Mars, the other lord, gives his effects? > > Anyway, what I finally want to know is whether Mars's status in 4th & 8th houses the same? If not, then can both aspects have the same effect? 8th aspect of Mars would have more of Ketu than Mars and since Mars is the karaka for action, and is strongest in 10th house, the 10th aspect of Saturn should logically belong to the essential Mars.> > A few words about Saturn:> > Hari: The special aspect of Saturn is 3rd and the 10th. 3rd and the 10th are upachayas. They signify growth. Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 10th signifies it;s inherent desire to give growth and also the desire to guide the native towards karma. (10th).> > Lakshmi: Saturn's inherent nature is to contract, not to expand. "Expansive" is the term mostly used to describe Jupiter. The term "upachaya" itself indicates an area of grey, an area of free will / an elastic space that is susceptible to all kinds of kinetic influences and interplay of desires and actions…of intellectual/subtle/dharma (Jupiter) and physical /gross/action(Mars) that result in karma/rebirth or in core Saturn/Moon. > > What do you folks think of my argument that the real debilitation of Jupiter takes place in Gemini? I keep thinking of those lines in Bhagavadgita…Dharma kshetre…kurukshetre..and the reference here is not to a hermitage…it's to the karma kshetra, where the balance sheet of life is unequivocally settled. I also think of > > "yathra yogeswara krishno yathra partho dhanurdharah> > tatrasreervijayobhootih dhruvaa neetirmathirmama" > > which in essence talks of dharma-karmadhipati yoga…a yoga of convergence of thought and action, where the action (enlightened Arjuna ready for battle) is led (preceded) by Truth/Dharma and whose Kapidhwaja is Ketu / moksha. BTW, don't you think that Hanuman, the Navama brahma (9th Brahma) is more of Ketu than Mars…the way he tried to swallow /eclipse the Sun; was punished with a changed face/new face; learnt from the Sun; is all heart, where Rama (Sun) is enshrined; he's the epitome of control, one who has no desires; the Chiranjeevi..one who had defeated the cycle of birth &death or is a Jeevan muktha.> > The conjunction of 9th & 10th houses…strangely enough if one reads Sage Parasara's description of 2nd half of Dhanus and 1st half of Capricorn one is struck by the similarity ..both rise with their back and are quadrupeds, ofcourse the first one is tejaswi while the second one is tapaswi. I keep wondering about this seemingly common ground of 30degrees and suddenly the phrase "dhanurmandala samsthaaya" with reference to Saturn surfaces in my mind…as does the fact that Jupiter is termed as strong in makara. Indeed it's the Gajendra's debilitation (caught by the makara) that triggered the Lord's appearance. It's that kind of debilitation for which the great sages perform centuries of penance…it's that kind of debilitation which even the celestials would covet. > > Please do let me know your comments/corrections. > > Regards> > Lakshmi> > > > > > > Do You ?> Finance - Get real-time stock quotesYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, Visti: Let me qoute Varahamihira on the same; Brihat Jataka: Chapter 2 - Sloka 13: "All the planets aspect the 3rd and 10th houses with a quarter sight. The 5th and 9th with a half sigh. The 4th and 8th with 3 quarters of a sight, and the 7th house with full sight.. But Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th with full sight, Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th with full sight, and Mars aspects the 4th and 8th with full sight." This shows that allthough all grahas to aspect these houses, the outer planets have a SPECIAL desire to aspect certain houses in the zodiac.. i.e. they WANTO see these houses, and influence their affairs. Now why would Jupiter wanto have anything todo with the 3rd house you should ask? Lakshmi: Visti, it’s a well known fact that though all planets have quarter/half/three-quarter/full aspects, only the full aspects of planets are considered in Vedic astrology for assessing their impact. Jupiter, as the wise Minister, Priest and as the upholder of dharma, has and needs to have an abiding interest in the stronghold of his arch-enemy, Rahu, if he were to protect the Sun/soul. Jupiter is neutral to Saturn, he’s not an enemy. Visti, you do know that Mercury is the illegitimate offspring of Moon and Tara, and his birth indicates the death of trust & dharma. Maithuna, the union of man and woman, which is held sacred because it is intended for the legitimate continuance of creation, had here produced a child whose birth was prompted by dark temptations and corrupting influences(Rahu). This incident makes a mockery of all the principles held dear by Jupiter and marks the absolute humiliation of Jupiter. Still Jupiter, as Guru, as the ultimate benefic and as sthira putrakaraka has a great deal of concern and care for Mercury and susceptible people like him and his father, Moon. Jupiter may condone both Chandra his folly and Mercury his illegitimate birth and this Sattwaguna results in his ultimate exaltation that follows his debilitation, but certainly he would not like the illicit story repeated again and again all over the world. He also knows that Mercury needs protection, as do the future generations (putra), from the guiles of Rahu, if their physical/mental resources are to be utilized for the benefit of the world. Hence, Jupiter, as Dharmaraja (Saturn) keeps a wary, controlling eye on the 3rd house, the house of copulation and the first house of Kama trikona. Visti, have you read my 1st email on the same topic…you would see the glorious symmetry… Visti: All planets have desires. Saturn gets exalted in the natural 7th because it causes rebirth, which only confirms that desires cause our rebirth. Lakshmi: I think both of us are saying the same thing here. Visti: Explain why the choice for Matri Sthira Karaka is between Mars and Moon? Lakshmi: I think because Mars represents the original creative principle (Aries & Manipura chakra) and also because Mars represents “kshetra” (land) which is reckoned for assessing fertility. And, interestingly, the choice between sthira Pitrikaraka is between Sun & Venus…do you see how the opposites (enemies, ruling debilitation signs of Mars and Sun) share the same attributes? Visti: Mars' job is to give us strength to go through life, but as all true warriors know and have understood, 'All that lives must invariably die' only the way of dying changes. Dying on the battlefield is still highly esteemed. Hence Mars also feels at home in the 8th house. Lakshmi: Visti, death is the great equalizer…every one, whether a soldier, a housewife, a scholar, every one will have to go. And it can happen anywhere, any time. And battles can be of different sort..need not be physical. To die with courage, with dignity, one need not be a soldier, Visti, because here one needs more than physical courage/stamina. One needs great mental balance and detachment, KETU. And Mars ruling aggression can hardly grant mental balance. And, Visti, Aagya chakra (Jupiter) + Sahasraara chakra (Sun) + Brahma Randhra (Ketu) constitute the “Rudra Grandhi” whereas Mars is part of “Vishnu Grandhi” .. I don’t think I need to elaborate further. Visti: Jupiter rules expansion because it blesses in excess. Everybody grows, but this isn't the function of Jupiter. Saturn aspects the Upachaya Sthana(except 6th and 11th) and is also the karaka for longevity! Its counterpart - Mars is the karaka of death, hence we can compare the two. Lakshmi: Hey, Visti, Jupiter is BIG. He rules “fat” in the human body, and mind you, growth need not be vertical, it can be “all round” too! And, if he’s termed the Vamana avatara among dasaavataaras, then you know how he can grow and why he rules growth. Jupiter is also the Dhanakaraka, the putrakaraka, the kutumba karaka, the gyanakaraka, the vidyakaraka…and all of them signify areas of growth and accumulation. Whereas Saturn as Ayushkaraka rules a fixed term of life span…it can not be augmented, unless one happens to be Markandeya. And, even for cancellation of balarishtas or all arishta yogas, the mere fact that Jupiter is in lagna or aspects the afflicted house cancels the “mrityu” of that house and confers longevity. Now, tell me, who rules growth? Visti: Lakshmi, please clarify exactly why you feel gemini could be the debilitation of Jupiter?. I don't understand your point. Jupiter doesn't represent the soul, but represents the Dhi, which guides the soul as well as the guru of the same. The first lesson we learn is that the SUN is the soul and Jupiter is its guide. If you study Pachakadi Sambandha, we find that the Souls Vedhak(cause of fall) is Venus, hence sex and wordly comforts, cause the fall of the atma. Hence the reason that Venus in 8th is a combination for sages. Lakshmi: Look at my first answer in this email, Visti. I think it answers your question. Remember Rama and Ravana. And the tragic flaw that triggered the downfall of Ravana. And, Visti, did I say that Jupiter represents Soul? He represents the wisdom that protects the Soul. BTW, what do you say about Dhanus+makara. Don’t you think that Makara is the logical extension of Dhanus, going by the physical description? It’s like a denouement… And, thanks for your response, Visti.It's been great talking to you. Regards Lakshmi Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Dear Lakshmi, Sorry for intruding in this conversation...but just one more little point: Jupiter also represents benevolence and compassion. Only he can reach the elevated realm which transcends petty worldly concerns to a domain of sublimity...and hence he forgave Tara. Sarbani lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Visti: Let me qoute Varahamihira on the same; Brihat Jataka: Chapter 2 - Sloka 13: "All the planets aspect the 3rd and 10th houses with a quarter sight. The 5th and 9th with a half sigh. The 4th and 8th with 3 quarters of a sight, and the 7th house with full sight.. But Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th with full sight, Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th with full sight, and Mars aspects the 4th and 8th with full sight." This shows that allthough all grahas to aspect these houses, the outer planets have a SPECIAL desire to aspect certain houses in the zodiac.. i.e. they WANTO see these houses, and influence their affairs. Now why would Jupiter wanto have anything todo with the 3rd house you should ask? Lakshmi:Visti, it’s a well known fact that though all planets have quarter/half/three-quarter/full aspects, only the full aspects of planets are considered in Vedic astrology for assessing their impact. Jupiter, as the wise Minister, Priest and as the upholderof dharma, has and needs to have an abiding interest in the stronghold of his arch-enemy, Rahu, if he were to protect the Sun/soul. Jupiter is neutral to Saturn, he’s not an enemy. Visti, you do know thatMercury is the illegitimate offspring of Moon and Tara, and his birth indicates the death of trust & dharma. Maithuna, the union of man and woman, which is held sacred because it is intendedfor the legitimate continuance of creation, had here produced a child whose birth was prompted by dark temptations and corrupting influences(Rahu). This incident makes a mockeryof all the principles held dear by Jupiter and marks the absolutehumiliation of Jupiter. Still Jupiter, as Guru, as the ultimate benefic and as sthira putrakaraka has a great deal of concern and care for Mercury and susceptible people like him and his father, Moon. Jupiter may condone both Chandra his folly and Mercury his illegitimate birth and this Sattwaguna results in his ultimate exaltation that follows his debilitation, but certainly he would not like the illicit story repeated again and again all over the world. He also knows that Mercury needs protection, as do the future generations (putra), from the guiles of Rahu, if their physical/mental resources are to be utilized for the benefit of the world. Hence, Jupiter, as Dharmaraja (Saturn) keeps a wary, controlling eye on the 3rd house, the house of copulation and the first house of Kama trikona. Visti, have you read my 1st email on the same topic…you would see the glorious symmetry… Visti: All planets have desires. Saturn gets exalted in the natural 7th because it causes rebirth, which only confirms that desires cause our rebirth. Lakshmi: I think both of us are saying the same thing here. Visti: Explain why the choice for Matri Sthira Karaka is between Mars and Moon? Lakshmi: I think because Mars represents the original creative principle (Aries & Manipura chakra) and also because Mars represents “kshetra” (land) which is reckoned for assessing fertility. And, interestingly, the choice between sthira Pitrikaraka is between Sun & Venus…do you see how the opposites (enemies, ruling debilitation signs of Mars and Sun) share the same attributes? Visti: Mars' job is to give us strength to go through life, but as all true warriors know and have understood, 'All that lives must invariably die' only the way of dying changes. Dying on the battlefield is still highly esteemed. Hence Mars also feels at home in the 8th house. Lakshmi: Visti, death is the great equalizer…every one, whether a soldier, a housewife, a scholar, every one will have to go. And it can happen anywhere, any time. And battles can be of different sort..need not be physical. To die with courage, with dignity, one need not be a soldier, Visti, because here one needs more than physical courage/stamina. One needs great mental balance and detachment, KETU.And Mars ruling aggression can hardly grant mental balance. And, Visti, Aagya chakra (Jupiter) + Sahasraara chakra (Sun) + Brahma Randhra (Ketu) constitute the “Rudra Grandhi”whereas Mars is part of “Vishnu Grandhi” . I don’t think I need to elaborate further. Visti:Jupiter rules expansion because it blesses in excess. Everybody grows, but this isn't the function of Jupiter. Saturn aspects the Upachaya Sthana(except 6th and 11th) and is also the karaka for longevity! Its counterpart - Mars is the karaka of death, hence we can compare the two. Lakshmi: Hey, Visti, Jupiter is BIG. He rules “fat” in the human body, and mind you, growth need not be vertical, it can be “all round” too! And, if he’s termed the Vamana avatara among dasaavataaras, then you know how he can grow and why he rules growth. Jupiter is also the Dhanakaraka, the putrakaraka, the kutumba karaka, the gyanakaraka, the vidyakaraka…and all of them signify areas of growth and accumulation. Whereas Saturn as Ayushkaraka rules a fixed term of life span…it can not be augmented, unless one happens to be Markandeya. And, even for cancellation of balarishtas or all arishta yogas, the mere fact that Jupiter is in lagna or aspects the afflicted house cancels the “mrityu” of that house and confers longevity.Now, tell me, who rules growth? Visti: Lakshmi, please clarify exactly why you feel gemini could be the debilitation of Jupiter?. I don't understand your point. Jupiter doesn't represent the soul, but represents the Dhi, which guides the soul as well as the guru of the same. The first lesson we learn is that the SUN is the soul and Jupiter is its guide. If you study Pachakadi Sambandha, we find that the Souls Vedhak(cause of fall) is Venus, hence sex and wordly comforts, cause the fall of the atma. Hence the reason that Venus in 8th is a combination for sages. Lakshmi: Look at my first answer in this email, Visti. I think it answers your question. Remember Rama and Ravana. And the tragic flaw that triggered the downfall of Ravana. And, Visti, did I say that Jupiter represents Soul? He represents the wisdom that protects the Soul. BTW, what do you say about Dhanus+makara. Don’t you think that Makara is the logical extension of Dhanus, going by the physical description? It’s like a denouement… And, thanks for your response, Visti.It's been great talking to you. Regards Lakshmi Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Terms of Service. Attachment: (image/gif) C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\nsmail8H.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Dear Visti, I remember Narasimha Guru saying somewhere that 3-9 is the axis of Guru..of protection. Ofcourse, i forget in which context, and I ask Narasimhagaru to forgive me if I am quoting him wrongly & out of context. That would mean that 4-10 would be the axis of Mars. Also, Jupiter representing social norms (dharma), elders in the family & husband (in a woman's chart) is likely to be the controlling / monitoring planet of the primary house of desires, rather than Saturn who represents servants. Is it not? Regards, Lakshmi Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, You are welcome to join in and ofcourse, all those qualities of Jupiter that you mentioned are part of Sattwa Guna, not to speak of its exaltation. Regards, Lakshmi sjvc, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@v...> wrote: > Dear Lakshmi, > > Sorry for intruding in this conversation...but just one more little > point: Jupiter also represents benevolence and compassion. Only he can > reach the elevated realm which transcends petty worldly concerns to a > domain of sublimity...and hence he forgave Tara. > > Sarbani > > lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Visti,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > > > > Visti: Let me qoute Varahamihira on the same; > > > > Brihat Jataka: Chapter 2 - Sloka 13: "All the planets aspect the 3rd > > and 10th houses with a quarter sight. The 5th and 9th with a half > > sigh. The 4th and 8th with 3 quarters of a sight, and the 7th house > > with full sight.. But Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th with full sight, > > Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th with full sight, and Mars aspects the > > 4th and 8th with full sight." > > > > This shows that allthough all grahas to aspect these houses, the outer > > planets have a SPECIAL desire to aspect certain houses in the zodiac.. > > i.e. they WANTO see these houses, and influence their affairs. > > > > Now why would Jupiter wanto have anything todo with the 3rd house you > > should ask? > > > > Lakshmi:Visti, it's a well known fact that though all planets have > > quarter/half/three-quarter/full aspects, only the full aspects of > > planets are considered in Vedic astrology for assessing their impact. > > > > Jupiter, as the wise Minister, Priest and as the upholderof dharma, > > has and needs to have an abiding interest in the stronghold of his > > arch-enemy, Rahu, if he were to protect the Sun/soul. Jupiter is > > neutral to Saturn, he's not an enemy. > > > > Visti, you do know thatMercury is the illegitimate offspring of Moon > > and Tara, and his birth indicates the death of trust & dharma. > > Maithuna, the union of man and woman, which is held sacred because it > > is intendedfor the legitimate continuance of creation, had here > > produced a child whose birth was prompted by dark temptations and > > corrupting influences(Rahu). This incident makes a mockeryof all the > > principles held dear by Jupiter and marks the absolutehumiliation of > > Jupiter. > > > > Still Jupiter, as Guru, as the ultimate benefic and as sthira > > putrakaraka has a great deal of concern and care for Mercury and > > susceptible people like him and his father, Moon. Jupiter may condone > > both Chandra his folly and Mercury his illegitimate birth and this > > Sattwaguna results in his ultimate exaltation that follows his > > debilitation, but certainly he would not like the illicit story > > repeated again and again all over the world. He also knows that > > Mercury needs protection, as do the future generations (putra), from > > the guiles of Rahu, if their physical/mental resources are to be > > utilized for the benefit of the world. Hence, Jupiter, as Dharmaraja > > (Saturn) keeps a wary, controlling eye on the 3rd house, the house of > > copulation and the first house of Kama trikona. > > > > Visti, have you read my 1st email on the same topic…you would see the > > glorious symmetry… > > > > Visti: All planets have desires. Saturn gets exalted in the natural > > 7th because it causes rebirth, which only confirms that desires cause > > our rebirth. > > > > Lakshmi: I think both of us are saying the same thing here. > > > > Visti: Explain why the choice for Matri Sthira Karaka is between > > Mars and Moon? > > > > Lakshmi: I think because Mars represents the original creative > > principle (Aries & Manipura chakra) and also because Mars represents > > "kshetra" (land) which is reckoned for assessing fertility. And, > > interestingly, the choice between sthira Pitrikaraka is between Sun & > > Venus…do you see how the opposites (enemies, ruling debilitation signs > > of Mars and Sun) share the same attributes? > > > > Visti: Mars' job is to give us strength to go through life, but as > > all true warriors know and have understood, 'All that lives must > > invariably die' only the way of dying changes. Dying on the > > battlefield is still highly esteemed. Hence Mars also feels at home in > > the 8th house. > > > > Lakshmi: Visti, death is the great equalizer…every one, whether a > > soldier, a housewife, a scholar, every one will have to go. And it can > > happen anywhere, any time. And battles can be of different sort..need > > not be physical. To die with courage, with dignity, one need not be a > > soldier, Visti, because here one needs more than physical > > courage/stamina. One needs great mental balance and detachment, > > KETU.And Mars ruling aggression can hardly grant mental balance. > > > > And, Visti, Aagya chakra (Jupiter) + Sahasraara chakra (Sun) + Brahma > > Randhra (Ketu) constitute the "Rudra Grandhi"whereas Mars is part of > > "Vishnu Grandhi" . I don't think I need to elaborate further. > > > > Visti:Jupiter rules expansion because it blesses in excess. Everybody > > grows, but this isn't the function of Jupiter. Saturn aspects the > > Upachaya Sthana(except 6th and 11th) and is also the karaka for > > longevity! Its counterpart - Mars is the karaka of death, hence we can > > compare the two. > > > > Lakshmi: Hey, Visti, Jupiter is BIG. He rules "fat" in the human body, > > and mind you, growth need not be vertical, it can be "all round" too! > > And, if he's termed the Vamana avatara among dasaavataaras, then you > > know how he can grow and why he rules growth. Jupiter is also the > > Dhanakaraka, the putrakaraka, the kutumba karaka, the gyanakaraka, the > > vidyakaraka…and all of them signify areas of growth and accumulation. > > Whereas Saturn as Ayushkaraka rules a fixed term of life span…it can > > not be augmented, unless one happens to be Markandeya. And, even for > > cancellation of balarishtas or all arishta yogas, the mere fact that > > Jupiter is in lagna or aspects the afflicted house cancels the > > "mrityu" of that house and confers longevity.Now, tell me, who rules > > growth? > > > > Visti: Lakshmi, please clarify exactly why you feel gemini could be > > the debilitation of Jupiter?. I don't understand your point. Jupiter > > doesn't represent the soul, but represents the Dhi, which guides the > > soul as well as the guru of the same. The first lesson we learn is > > that the SUN is the soul and Jupiter is its guide. If you study > > Pachakadi Sambandha, we find that the Souls Vedhak(cause of fall) is > > Venus, hence sex and wordly comforts, cause the fall of the atma. > > Hence the reason that Venus in 8th is a combination for sages. > > > > Lakshmi: Look at my first answer in this email, Visti. I think it > > answers your question. Remember Rama and Ravana. And the tragic flaw > > that triggered the downfall of Ravana. And, Visti, did I say that > > Jupiter represents Soul? He represents the wisdom that protects the > > Soul. > > > > BTW, what do you say about Dhanus+makara. Don't you think that Makara > > is the logical extension of Dhanus, going by the physical description? > > It's like a denouement… > > > > And, thanks for your response, Visti.It's been great talking to you. > > > > Regards > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > Sponsor > > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Lakshmi, Comments bellow. - lakshmi ramesh sjvc Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:04 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, Visti: Let me qoute Varahamihira on the same; Brihat Jataka: Chapter 2 - Sloka 13: "All the planets aspect the 3rd and 10th houses with a quarter sight. The 5th and 9th with a half sigh. The 4th and 8th with 3 quarters of a sight, and the 7th house with full sight.. But Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th with full sight, Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th with full sight, and Mars aspects the 4th and 8th with full sight." This shows that allthough all grahas to aspect these houses, the outer planets have a SPECIAL desire to aspect certain houses in the zodiac.. i.e. they WANTO see these houses, and influence their affairs. Now why would Jupiter wanto have anything todo with the 3rd house you should ask? Lakshmi: Visti, it’s a well known fact that though all planets have quarter/half/three-quarter/full aspects, only the full aspects of planets are considered in Vedic astrology for assessing their impact. Visti: The full-aspects are only used by us to minimize our confusions. The sages give them, hence they are applicable. Jupiter, as the wise Minister, Priest and as the upholder of dharma, has and needs to have an abiding interest in the stronghold of his arch-enemy, Rahu, if he were to protect the Sun/soul. Jupiter is neutral to Saturn, he’s not an enemy. Visti: Priests do not create cunning plans. Jupiter is very enimical to Saturn, as Saturn lords the 3rd and debilitation sign from Jupiters Moolatrikona - Sag. Visti, you do know that Mercury is the illegitimate offspring of Moon and Tara, and his birth indicates the death of trust & dharma. Maithuna, the union of man and woman, which is held sacred because it is intended for the legitimate continuance of creation, had here produced a child whose birth was prompted by dark temptations and corrupting influences(Rahu). This incident makes a mockery of all the principles held dear by Jupiter and marks the absolute&nb sp; humiliation of Jupiter. Visti: Yes i know the story. Jupiter is also naturally enimical towards Mercury, yet gets exalted in Moons rasi - The cause of his humiliation?! This principle about Moon and Buddha is also the basis of the Moon-Mercury Yoga which Jaimini gives. Still Jupiter, as Guru, as the ultimate benefic and as sthira putrakaraka has a great deal of concern and care for Mercury and susceptible people like him and his father, Moon. Jupiter may condone both Chandra his folly and Mercury his illegitimate birth and this Sattwaguna results in his ultimate exaltation that follows his debilitation, but certainly he would not like the illicit story repeated again and again all over the world. He also knows that Mercury needs protection, as do the future generations (putra), from the guiles of Rahu, if their physical/mental resources are to be utilized for the benefit of the world. Hence, Jupiter, as Dharmaraja (Saturn) keeps a wary, controlling eye on the 3rd house, the house of copulation and the first house of Kama trikona. Visti: Yes why not, i agree that Jupiter aspects the 3rd house from itself.. it may not be a very powerful aspect but its there. But Saturn is NOT borrowing Jupiters aspect. Jupiter has its own. Saturn has a different purpose for its aspect, and is part of the reason that we sometimes see people living upto 100 years, and etc. Saturn is a great punisher and will make the person life long, yet through much sorrow.. This is because Saturn doesn't think twice before correcting you!. i learnt this early. Hence Saturns Full Dristi on various houses is definitely felt much stronger. More bellow. Visti, have you read my 1st email on the same topic…you would see the glorious symmetry… Lakshmi: I think both of us are saying the same thing here. Visti: At present you seem to be assigning planets to certain aspects, which is wrong, because all planets have their own desires. More about Saturn bellow. Lakshmi: I think because Mars represents the original creative principle (Aries & Manipura chakra) and also because Mars represents “kshetra” (land) which is reckoned for assessing fertility. And, interestingly, the choice between sthira Pitrikaraka is between Sun & Venus…do you see how the opposites (enemies, ruling debilitation signs of Mars and Sun) share the same attributes? Visti: Yes you are brilliant, good observation. Lakshmi: Visti, death is the great equalizer…every one, whether a soldier, a housewife, a scholar, every one will have to go. And it can happen anywhere, any time. And battles can be of different sort..need not be physical. To die with courage, with dignity, one need not be a soldier, Visti, because here one needs more than physical courage/stamina. One needs great mental balance and detachment, KETU. And Mars ruling aggression can hardly grant mental balance. Visti: Yet in the end all battles are faught by Mars, not Jupiter, Mercury or any other graha. Yes Mars causes the debilitation of the Moon. (In denmark using the persons name in the middle of a conversation is degrading, is it the same in India?) And, Visti, Aagya chakra (Jupiter) + Sahasraara chakra (Sun) + Brahma Randhra (Ketu) constitute the “Rudra Grandhi” whereas Mars is part of “Vishnu Grandhi” .. I don’t think I need to elaborate further. Lakshmi: Hey, Visti, Jupiter is BIG. He rules “fat” in the human body, and mind you, growth need not be vertical, it can be “all round” too! And, if he’s termed the Vamana avatara among dasaavataaras, then you know how he can grow and why he rules growth. Jupiter is also the Dhanakaraka, the putrakaraka, the kutumba karaka, the gyanakaraka, the vidyakaraka…and all of them signify areas of growth and accumulation. Whereas Saturn as Ayushkaraka rules a fixed term of life span…it can not be augmented, unless one happens to be Markandeya. And, even for cancellation of balarishtas or all arishta yogas, the mere fact that Jupiter is in lagna or aspects the afflicted house cancels the “mrityu” of that house and confers longevity. Now, tell me, who rules growth? Visti: Vamana remained the same age, yet he expanded himself beyond the 3 worlds. As for Vidya Karaka - Jupiter is only for higher education, otherwise its Mercury. Saturn as i've indicated before, IF STRONG, confers long life for the sake of punishing the person very harshly throughout life, so they can 'learn the hard way'. Just as Koorma Avatara carried the whole during the difficult and fatal churning of the oceans, similarly Saturn will carry you through the difficult periods of life.. there will be poisons, asuras and a whole ammount of other stuff put in there, but in the end the Amrita comes. akshmi: Look at my first answer in this email, Visti. I think it answers your question. Remember Rama and Ravana. And the tragic flaw that triggered the downfall of Ravana. And, Visti, did I say that Jupiter represents Soul? He represents the wisdom that protects the Soul. BTW, what do you say about Dhanus+makara. Don’t you think that Makara is the logical extension of Dhanus, going by the physical description? It’s like a denouement… Visti: Jupiter represents the guidance that leads to truth(satya), and repeatedly when you look at various schemes of Sambandha between Saturn and Jupiter, Jupiter invariably hates Saturn.. Why is this? Saturn represents Asat. The astrological reason is due to Saturns strong enimity towards the Sun, which represents Satya(truth). This Asat caused Moon to repeatedly lie about giving back Tara to Brihaspati and also Tara lied about the child, until it was visible and born. Jupiter has no enimity towards any children nor the conception of the same, as this is necessary to bring children and hence followers, which Jupiter finds so dearly. He tried very hard to claim Buddha as his son. This Asat causes the debilitation of Jupiter and hence is also the reason for the very low memory of those in Kali Yuga, as Capricorn represents the current Yuga, whilst Aries, Cancer and Libra represent; Satya/Krta, Trta & Dwapara Yugas respectively. Hence Asat causes the humiliation of Jupiter, and not the conception of children. Actually Jupiter is deemed quite strong in Gemini and Virgo. I hope this helps. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Lakshmi, - lakshmi ramesh sjvc Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:02 PM [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, I remember Narasimha Guru saying somewhere that 3-9 is the axis of Guru..of protection. Ofcourse, i forget in which context, and I ask Narasimhagaru to forgive me if I am quoting him wrongly & out of context. That would mean that 4-10 would be the axis of Mars. Also, Jupiter representing social norms (dharma), elders in the family & husband (in a woman's chart) is likely to be the controlling / monitoring planet of the primary house of desires, rather than Saturn who represents servants. Is it not? Visti: Saturn doesn't monitor any desires. Saturn gets exalted in the 7th because it gets todo what it enjoys the most, namely causing rebirth for the sake of punishing the soul to LEARN! No specific planet monitors the desires of life, as they all have different ones. Hence when the Vimshottari Dasa of a planet begins, predict that the person(md=Jeevatma, ad=Mana, etc) has taken on the desires of that certain graha during and throughout the dasa. Hence if say Rahu Dasa begins, and Rahu is in the 2nd house, it will see the Arthatrikona(6th and 10th) hence it will desire to influence these areas, and the person will have a lust for expanding the wealth(artha). Another side of Saturn that has been discussed eagerly, is its role in marriage. I.e. why does it cause delay if its exalted in the natural 7th house? Actually Saturn in the 7th, represents the servant in a relationship, where a REAL giver is found. Allthough this is the truest form of love, there is no if not very little physical felicity, and hence a delay in reaping the fruits of actual marriage. As for those 3-9th, etc please find the source and context. Best wishes, Visti. Regards, Lakshmi Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Dear Gurudev Visti and Lakshmi, Shani in 5th would delay marriage as it tends to delay matters in the 3rd from it. Shani in 7th exalted would tend to delay marriage if it aspects or conjoins Venus as Shani itself is the lord of 11th and Guru does not aspect Shani. Obviously this is only one of the reasons that could be there for a delay in marriage. Cheers !!! Ash sjvc, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > - ------------- > > Dear Lakshmi, > > - > lakshmi ramesh > sjvc > Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:02 PM > [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Visti, > > I remember Narasimha Guru saying somewhere that 3-9 is the axis of Guru..of protection. Ofcourse, i forget in which context, and I ask Narasimhagaru to forgive me if I am quoting him wrongly & out of context. > > That would mean that 4-10 would be the axis of Mars. > > Also, Jupiter representing social norms (dharma), elders in the family & husband (in a woman's chart) is likely to be the controlling / monitoring planet of the primary house of desires, rather than Saturn who represents servants. Is it not? > > Visti: Saturn doesn't monitor any desires. Saturn gets exalted in the 7th because it gets todo what it enjoys the most, namely causing rebirth for the sake of punishing the soul to LEARN! No specific planet monitors the desires of life, as they all have different ones. Hence when the Vimshottari Dasa of a planet begins, predict that the person(md=Jeevatma, ad=Mana, etc) has taken on the desires of that certain graha during and throughout the dasa. Hence if say Rahu Dasa begins, and Rahu is in the 2nd house, it will see the Arthatrikona(6th and 10th) hence it will desire to influence these areas, and the person will have a lust for expanding the wealth (artha). > > Another side of Saturn that has been discussed eagerly, is its role in marriage. I.e. why does it cause delay if its exalted in the natural 7th house? Actually Saturn in the 7th, represents the servant in a relationship, where a REAL giver is found. Allthough this is the truest form of love, there is no if not very little physical felicity, and hence a delay in reaping the fruits of actual marriage. > > As for those 3-9th, etc please find the source and context. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > - ----------- > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > Sponsor > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah -------------------------- Dear Ash, Is the function of Marriage that of Kaama or Dharma? Once you've answered that question match Saturn with the relevant karakas. Best wishes, Visti. sjvc, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Gurudev Visti and Lakshmi, > Shani in 5th would delay marriage as it tends to delay matters in > the 3rd from it. > Shani in 7th exalted would tend to delay marriage if it aspects or > conjoins Venus as Shani itself is the lord of 11th and Guru does not > aspect Shani. > Obviously this is only one of the reasons that could be there for a > delay in marriage. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > sjvc, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > > > -------------------------------- -- > ------------- > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > - > > lakshmi ramesh > > sjvc > > Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:02 PM > > [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > I remember Narasimha Guru saying somewhere that 3-9 is the axis > of Guru..of protection. Ofcourse, i forget in which context, and I > ask Narasimhagaru to forgive me if I am quoting him wrongly & out > of context. > > > > That would mean that 4-10 would be the axis of Mars. > > > > Also, Jupiter representing social norms (dharma), elders in the > family & husband (in a woman's chart) is likely to be the > controlling / monitoring planet of the primary house of desires, > rather than Saturn who represents servants. Is it not? > > > > Visti: Saturn doesn't monitor any desires. Saturn gets > exalted in the 7th because it gets todo what it enjoys the most, > namely causing rebirth for the sake of punishing the soul to LEARN! > No specific planet monitors the desires of life, as they all have > different ones. Hence when the Vimshottari Dasa of a planet begins, > predict that the person(md=Jeevatma, ad=Mana, etc) has taken on the > desires of that certain graha during and throughout the dasa. Hence > if say Rahu Dasa begins, and Rahu is in the 2nd house, it will see > the Arthatrikona(6th and 10th) hence it will desire to influence > these areas, and the person will have a lust for expanding the wealth > (artha). > > > > Another side of Saturn that has been discussed eagerly, is its > role in marriage. I.e. why does it cause delay if its exalted in the > natural 7th house? Actually Saturn in the 7th, represents the > servant in a relationship, where a REAL giver is found. Allthough > this is the truest form of love, there is no if not very little > physical felicity, and hence a delay in reaping the fruits of actual > marriage. > > > > As for those 3-9th, etc please find the source and context. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- -- > ----------- > > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Dear Gurudev Visti, Pranam, 7th house is that of Kaama. 9th house is that of Dharma. 11th from 7th house is that of Gains of Dharma and wife is called Dharam patni. 7th house is that of partner and the life partner can be wife. The Gain from marriage is 5th house i.e. of Children. Shani in the 7th house would delay 9th house matters being that of Dharma. That could also mean that maybe the native might find his Guru late or his dharam partner late. Being exalted it would have full powers to cause delay in Dharma. So to answer your question, the function of Marriage is that of both. To uphold the dharma and to gain from dharma i.e. have children which is not possible without kaama. We look at 12th house for the act of kaama which is upchaya from 7th house and upapada is also calculated from the 12th house being its Arudha or reflection. Please feel free to correct my understanding, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash sjvc, "in_joy_i_scream" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > -------------------------- > Dear Ash, > Is the function of Marriage that of Kaama or Dharma? > Once you've answered that question match Saturn with the relevant > karakas. > Best wishes, Visti. > > sjvc, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Gurudev Visti and Lakshmi, > > Shani in 5th would delay marriage as it tends to delay matters in > > the 3rd from it. > > Shani in 7th exalted would tend to delay marriage if it aspects or > > conjoins Venus as Shani itself is the lord of 11th and Guru does > not > > aspect Shani. > > Obviously this is only one of the reasons that could be there for > a > > delay in marriage. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > sjvc, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > -- > > ------------- > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > - > > > lakshmi ramesh > > > sjvc > > > Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:02 PM > > > [sjvc] Re: Aspects & Special Aspects > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > I remember Narasimha Guru saying somewhere that 3-9 is the > axis > > of Guru..of protection. Ofcourse, i forget in which context, and I > > ask Narasimhagaru to forgive me if I am quoting him wrongly & out > > of context. > > > > > > That would mean that 4-10 would be the axis of Mars. > > > > > > Also, Jupiter representing social norms (dharma), elders in > the > > family & husband (in a woman's chart) is likely to be the > > controlling / monitoring planet of the primary house of desires, > > rather than Saturn who represents servants. Is it not? > > > > > > Visti: Saturn doesn't monitor any desires. Saturn gets > > exalted in the 7th because it gets todo what it enjoys the most, > > namely causing rebirth for the sake of punishing the soul to > LEARN! > > No specific planet monitors the desires of life, as they all have > > different ones. Hence when the Vimshottari Dasa of a planet > begins, > > predict that the person(md=Jeevatma, ad=Mana, etc) has taken on > the > > desires of that certain graha during and throughout the dasa. > Hence > > if say Rahu Dasa begins, and Rahu is in the 2nd house, it will see > > the Arthatrikona(6th and 10th) hence it will desire to influence > > these areas, and the person will have a lust for expanding the > wealth > > (artha). > > > > > > Another side of Saturn that has been discussed eagerly, is its > > role in marriage. I.e. why does it cause delay if its exalted in > the > > natural 7th house? Actually Saturn in the 7th, represents the > > servant in a relationship, where a REAL giver is found. Allthough > > this is the truest form of love, there is no if not very little > > physical felicity, and hence a delay in reaping the fruits of > actual > > marriage. > > > > > > As for those 3-9th, etc please find the source and context. > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > -- > > ----------- > > > > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, Visti: The full-aspects are only used by us to minimize our confusions. The sages give them, hence they are applicable. Lakshmi: Agreed. Visti: Priests do not create cunning plans. Jupiter is very enimical to Saturn, as Saturn lords the 3rd and debilitation sign from Jupiters Moolatrikona - Sag. Lakshmi: Cunning is a strong word. For example, you know all about virus attacks etc and if you have not kept the Anti-virus software updated to fight the latest viruses, your system will crash. Now tell me, keeping track of the latest virus definitions and taking preventive measures to protect your system is wisdom or cunning? And, Jupiter is certainly not foolish. Cunningness is as much a facet of Intelligence as wisdom is, but here the face is the warped one of Rahu and not Jupiter. Saturn also rules the 2nd house from Jupiter’s moolatrikona and that makes him Jupiter’s friend! So, the sum total of these relationships is that Jupiter is neutral to Saturn and not inimical. Visti: Yes i know the story. Jupiter is also naturally enimical towards Mercury, yet gets exalted in Moons rasi - The cause of his humiliation?! This principle about Moon and Buddha is also the basis of the Moon-Mercury Yoga which Jaimini gives. Lakshmi: Jupiter gets exalted in 4th house for various reasons, I think. It’s the sukha sthana, it’s the vidya sthana, and Jupiter the prime benefic loves this place. Further, it’s the house of the mother and Jupiter as kutumba karaka values these bonds, hence you see him liking Mars & Moon, the sthira matri karakas and the sthira Pitri karakas, namely Sun and Venus(who, though enemy, is still exalted in Jupiter’s own house). Maatri devo bhava, Pitri devo bhava, Aacharya devo bhava….. Visti: Yes why not, i agree that Jupiter aspects the 3rd house from itself.. it may not be a very powerful aspect but its there. But Saturn is NOT borrowing Jupiters aspect. Jupiter has its own. Saturn has a different purpose for its aspect, and is part of the reason that we sometimes see people living upto 100 years, and etc. Saturn is a great punisher and will make the person life long, yet through much sorrow.. This is because Saturn doesn't think twice before correcting you!. i learnt this early. Hence Saturns Full Dristi on various houses is definitely felt much stronger. More bellow. Lakshmi: Why I was saying that 3rd aspect of Saturn is like that of debilitated Jupiter is that Jupiter hates this controlling business. He’s aakasa tattwa, the Free spirit that trustingly wafts through the vast universe, but due to exigencies imposed by his role, he’s forced to monitor the affairs of the 3rd house. So, here it’s not the smiling Jupiter who aspects the 5th & 9th houses, but the sullen one (Saturn). Since, 3rd house gives rise to 5th house (progeny) and without 3rd house, there can’t be 4th, 5th or 9th houses (all of them Jupiter’s favourite places)..Jupiter has more interest in the 3rd than Saturn, whose interest in 3H could be because it’s 8th from the 8th house. Visti: At present you seem to be assigning planets to certain aspects, which is wrong, because all planets have their own desires. More about Saturn bellow. Lakshmi:I am only trying to channel my thoughts towards some seemingly logical conclusions. I could be wrong and I could be right, that’s immaterial. What matters is the continuing quest for the Truth. Visti: Yet in the end all battles are faught by Mars, not Jupiter, Mercury or any other graha. Yes Mars causes the debilitation of the Moon. (In denmark using the persons name in the middle of a conversation is degrading, is it the same in India?) Lakshmi: Oh, is that so? I am sorry if I have offended you by my style of addressing, but I don’t think that such an address is deemed an insult in India, atleast in my part of the country. Anyway I respect your sentiments and will take care not to repeat the error. It’s nice that I can learn not only astrology, but also etiquette from you. I think the mother of all battles, kurukshetra was won by Jupiter and not Mars as was the Ramayana war. It was just one Krishna, unarmed except for Bhagavadgita, the Maha Vaakya, on the Pandavas’ side while the Kauravas had massive military might, yet who won the war? And continues to win even after yugas have elapsed? In Ramayana too, it was the organized strength of Ravana’s Asura warlords Vs the motley crowd of Nara & Vaanara…yet who won? Why all these, between Skandha and Ganesh, when there was a clash for Vighnaadhipatya, who won the battle? Mars or Jupiter? Between the saattwik Vasistha+Kaamadhenu combine and Raja Vishwamitra, who won the battle? Talking about bloodless battles reminds me of Buddha, Jesus Christ, Gandhiji, Nelson Mandela, whose principled beliefs made those battles they fought more enduring and memorable than the other routine bloodbaths. Please don’t underestimate the power of Dharma and Truth. They are any day stronger and more abiding than physical strength and it’s always Satyameva Jayate…never anything else. Visti: Vamana remained the same age, yet he expanded himself beyond the 3 worlds. As for Vidya Karaka - Jupiter is only for higher education, otherwise its Mercury. Saturn as i've indicated before, IF STRONG, confers long life for the sake of punishing the person very harshly throughout life, so they can 'learn the hard way'. Just as Koorma Avatara carried the whole during the difficult and fatal churning of the oceans, similarly Saturn will carry you through the difficult periods of life.. there will be poisons, asuras and a whole ammount of other stuff put in there, but in the end the Amrita comes. Lakshmi: Yes, I agree that Saturn is patience and for reaching Amrita, Saburi (patience) is as vital as Shraddha (dedication). And, when I said “vidya” I never meant the formal education or the multiple degrees..I only meant that vidya which can lead to Him. Nothing else for me is vidya. Why is “age” coming into play? That’s only mundane growth. One can be very young and enlightened…Sankaracharya, Vivekananda..one can go on. Also Sattwa guna, which is represented by Vishnu, marks the major period of growth from birth to death. Hence, “growth” is an area controlled by Saatwik planets and not Rajasik or Tamasik planets, which mainly indicate birth and death. Visti: Jupiter represents the guidance that leads to truth(satya), and repeatedly when you look at various schemes of Sambandha between Saturn and Jupiter, Jupiter invariably hates Saturn.. Why is this? Saturn represents Asat. The astrological reason is due to Saturns strong enimity towards the Sun, which represents Satya(truth). This Asat caused Moon to repeatedly lie about giving back Tara to Brihaspati and also Tara lied about the child, until it was visible and born. Jupiter has no enimity towards any children nor the conception of the same, as this is necessary to bring children and hence followers, which Jupiter finds so dearly. He tried very hard to claim Buddha as his son. This Asat causes the debilitation of Jupiter and hence is also the reason for the very low memory of those in Kali Yuga, as Capricorn represents the current Yuga, whilst Aries, Cancer and Libra represent; Satya/Krta, Trta & Dwapara Yugas respectively. Hence Asat causes the humiliation of Jupiter, and not the conception of children. Actually Jupiter is deemed quite strong in Gemini and Virgo. Lakshmi: I have only one thing to say here, that ignorance is no sin and for the discerning, Darkness can be as pure as Light. Saturn, being Tamas indicates only ignorance, humility, an immense capacity to suffer, and an inertness that fails to lift itself to Light. He’s not Asat, as you have stated. Sin is seeming to know all and falseness. That’s Asat...Rahu. Talking about Capricorn, may I quote from the first sloka of Part-II, Chapter 9 of Vishnupurana, which I am sure you’ve read, Thaaraamayam Bhagavathah Simsumaaraakrithi Prabhoh Diviroopam Hareryasthu thasyapricchesthithoDhruvah …the resplendent (jyotirmaya) simsumara chakra, represented by a crocodile (Makara) holds the zodiac / time cycle in place and it regulates the movements of planets, along with Dhruva, who sits in the tail of the Makara. And at the heart of this gigantic chakra is Narayana himself, the Fulcrum of the Universe. Now, do you still call this Asat? And, do you see why I said Capricorn forms the root of all aspects, all karma? Regards, Lakshmi P.S: I will try to dig out Narasimha Guru's mail today. 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