Mantra for Ishta Devata and Dasa of 8th Lord-Visti

August 20, 2002

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Visti,

I need some help with the concept of Ishta Devata. I have the 12th (Sagittarius)

from Karakamsa (Capricorn) empty with its Lord Jupiter with Mars in Taurus.

According to an earlier post since the sign is empty we take Griha Dristhi and

I have Moon in Pisces and Sun in Virgo aspecting, which indicates Lord Shiva

and Parvathi Devi.But my doubt is that my deep attraction is toward Shri

Krishna and everything to do with emancipation and the Vaishnava sampradya as a

whole. My doubts are as to how is that explained? I have definitely prayed to

Lord Shiva and Parvathi in the past but it was very short lived.Likewise the

Ishta of Shri Ramakrishna was Siva but he was a great devotee of Maha Kali.

Can u kindly throw some light on this ? Only if needed my DOB is 03/23/1968, TOB

20:20:32 and Place Coimbatore.

Thanks in advance

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

Visti Larsen wrote:

Vyam Vyasaadevaaaya Namah

Dear Sattva,

Jupiter in the 12th from Karakamsa is a great blessing and indicator of praying

to the allmighty god in the form of Nirguna Narayana.

Your Mantra is: Om Gurave Namah.

For those who can avoid telling a lie, Om Tat Sat is the one.

As for 8th lord Dasas. It depends.. learn how to predict it first. Saturn is the Karaka of debt.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

sattvasoma

sjvc

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:15 PM

[sjvc] Mantra for Ishta Devata and Dasa of 8th Lord

Dear Esteemed Gurus,Would you please help me with a mantra for my Ishat Devata

(Jupiter isin 12 in D-9 from AK Saturn)?My birth data: Oct. 23, 19583:51 p.m.

(zone = +4) 71W04, 42N21 Also, does the Maha dasa of the 8th lord often mean

indebtedness? Do the Maha dasas of the nodes take on the characteristics of

theirdispositors?Thank you and blessins to all,SattvaYour use of

is subject to the Your use of is subject

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August 20, 2002

Vyam Vyasaadevaaya Namah

Dear Sudharsan,

Lovely question indeed.

You mean Rasi Dristi, not 'graha' dristi.

Did you know that Gandhis Dharma Devata(9th from Karakamsa) was Ram(Sun), but not his Istha devata?

Check Mantra Pada(A5 in rasi) to see which mantra the person will have most

attachment to. Theres more when we look at Vimsamsa(d-20) and Guru Devata.

His Rasi and Navamsa is attached bellow.

Best wishes, Visti.

MahaAtma Gandhi

Natal Chart

October 2, 1869Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 4:39:00 (East of

GMT)Longitude: 69 E 49' 00"Latitude: 21 N 37' 00"

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|Moo Rah || | |AL ||

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Rasi |-----------||Ket GL | |

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||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |Sat HL |Asc

Mar |Sun || | |Mer Ven | || A5

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Ven |Sun GL || | | | ||

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|Glk || | | ||

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Navamsa |-----------||Mer Sat | |HL ||

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||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc JupR |Mnd |Rah

|AL || (AK) | | | ||

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Sudharsan Srinivasan

sjvc

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:31 PM

Re: [sjvc] Mantra for Ishta Devata and Dasa of 8th Lord-Visti

Hare Rama Krishna Jaya Jagannatha Dear Visti, I need some help with the concept

of Ishta Devata. I have the 12th (Sagittarius) from Karakamsa (Capricorn) empty

with its Lord Jupiter with Mars in Taurus. According to an earlier post since

the sign is empty we take Griha Dristhi and I have Moon in Pisces and Sun in

Virgo aspecting, which indicates Lord Shiva and Parvathi Devi.But my doubt is

that my deep attraction is toward Shri Krishna and everything to do with

emancipation and the Vaishnava sampradya as a whole. My doubts are as to how is

that explained? I have definitely prayed to Lord Shiva and Parvathi in the past

but it was very short lived.Likewise the Ishta of Shri Ramakrishna was Siva but

he was a great devotee of Maha Kali. Can u kindly throw some light on this ?

Only if needed my DOB is 03/23/1968, TOB 20:20:32 and Place Coimbatore. Thanks

in advance Hare Krishna Sudharsan Visti Larsen wrote:

Vyam Vyasaadevaaaya Namah

Dear Sattva,

Jupiter in the 12th from Karakamsa is a great blessing and indicator of praying

to the allmighty god in the form of Nirguna Narayana.

Your Mantra is: Om Gurave Namah.

For those who can avoid telling a lie, Om Tat Sat is the one.

As for 8th lord Dasas. It depends.. learn how to predict it first. Saturn is the Karaka of debt.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

sattvasoma

sjvc

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:15 PM

[sjvc] Mantra for Ishta Devata and Dasa of 8th Lord

Dear Esteemed Gurus,Would you please help me with a mantra for my Ishat Devata

(Jupiter isin 12 in D-9 from AK Saturn)?My birth data: Oct. 23, 19583:51 p.m.

(zone = +4) 71W04, 42N21 Also, does the Maha dasa of the 8th lord often mean

indebtedness? Do the Maha dasas of the nodes take on the characteristics of

theirdispositors?Thank you and blessins to all,SattvaYour use of

is subject to the Your use of is subject

to the

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of is subject to the

August 20, 2002

Ohm Sri Lakshmi Hayavadana Parabrehmane Namaha !

HARE RAMA KRISHNA !

Dear Visti,

I too have the similar question regarding Ista

Devata.After seeing most of my friends charts i came

to know that the lord of 12th from Karakamsa dominates

in deciding one's Ista devata.I may be worng but i

want to share this with u.

Even though the native initially prays the deity

of other planets which occupy/aspects the 12th from

karakamsa,finally she/he stops with the deity

indicated by the lord of 12th from karakamsa.

In my case,Karakamsa being Aquaris and Sani being

the lord of Karakamsa and its 12th house,placed in

Karakamsa with Kethu.12th from karakamsa(capricon) has

Moon,Ven and Sun. Jupiter & Raghu has Rasi Dristi on

12th from karakamsa and Neecha Mangal has Graha Dristi

on 12th from karakamsa.

Initially i prayed Sri Subramaniya ,then Lord

Ganesh and then Divine mother.Finally i stopped with

Sri Lakshmi Hayagriva(a form of Sri Maha Vishnu).Now

Regularly i say Sri Hayagriva's Sthothrams and Sri

Dhakshinamoorthy's Astagam (may be due to Jupiter rasi

aspect on 12th from karakamsa & Raghu's Rasi Aspect on

12th from Karakamsa where Sun is also placed ).

Though i pray all the gods right now,i love to pray

Sri Hayagriva.

So ,if time permits,pls provide all the hidden rules

for identifying the Ista Devata and pls guide us how

to use those.

After seeing ur reply i checked my A5 in Rasi which

is combined with AL and has Sani and Surya in it.i

understood that Sani(my AK) makes me to pray a form of

Sri Vishne(Sri Hayagriva) and Surya makes me to Pray

Sri Dakshinamoorthy.Ur statement is 100 % correct and

Pls explain me how to use Vimsamsa for identifying

Ista devata.

HARE RAMA KRISHNA !

Thanks And Regards,

Krithi

--- Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108 wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Visti,

> I need some help with the concept of Ishta Devata. I

> have the 12th (Sagittarius) from Karakamsa

> (Capricorn) empty with its Lord Jupiter with Mars in

> Taurus. According to an earlier post since the sign

> is empty we take Griha Dristhi and I have Moon in

> Pisces and Sun in Virgo aspecting, which indicates

> Lord Shiva and Parvathi Devi.But my doubt is that my

> deep attraction is toward Shri Krishna and

> everything to do with emancipation and the Vaishnava

> sampradya as a whole. My doubts are as to how is

> that explained? I have definitely prayed to Lord

> Shiva and Parvathi in the past but it was very short

> lived.Likewise the Ishta of Shri Ramakrishna was

> Siva but he was a great devotee of Maha Kali.

> Can u kindly throw some light on this ? Only if

> needed my DOB is 03/23/1968, TOB 20:20:32 and Place

> Coimbatore.

> Thanks in advance

> Hare Krishna

> Sudharsan

> Visti Larsen wrote:Vyam Vyasaadevaaaya Namah

>

> Dear Sattva,Jupiter in the 12th from Karakamsa is a

> great blessing and indicator of praying to the

> allmighty god in the form of Nirguna Narayana.Your

> Mantra is: Om Gurave Namah.For those who can avoid

> telling a lie, Om Tat Sat is the one. As for 8th

> lord Dasas. It depends.. learn how to predict it

> first. Saturn is the Karaka of debt. Best wishes,

> Visti. - sattvasoma

> sjvc Tuesday, August 20,

> 2002 6:15 PM[sjvc] Mantra for Ishta Devata

> and Dasa of 8th Lord

> Dear Esteemed Gurus,

>

> Would you please help me with a mantra for my Ishat

> Devata (Jupiter is

> in 12 in D-9 from AK Saturn)?

>

> My birth data:

>

> Oct. 23, 1958

> 3:51 p.m. (zone = +4)

> 71W04, 42N21

>

> Also, does the Maha dasa of the 8th lord often mean

> indebtedness?

>

> Do the Maha dasas of the nodes take on the

> characteristics of their

> dispositors?

>

> Thank you and blessins to all,

>

> Sattva

>

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August 21, 2002

Dear Visti-ji, Sudharsan, Gurus and fellow members,

I was looking at Sudharsan's chart and curious to see why he is a devotee of Sri Krishna.

Fellow students and Gurus please correct any misunderstandings on my part in this post.

As discussed in the previous post we find the Ishta Devata, the deity that will

guide his soul to emancipation by the 12H from karakamsa (Saturn).

Sagittarius being unoccupied we look ultimately to it's lord Jupiter or planets

aspecting Sagittarius by rasi dristi can guide the person to the actual ishta

devata. Jupiter being a sattvic planet indicates Mahavishnu or God in an

undifferentiated form such as Narayana. Aspecting Sagittarius by rasi dristi

is Sun in the first drekkana of a dual sign which can represent Lord Shiva's

younger son, Kartikeya, and a waning Moon which can represent the Divine Mother

in the form of Kali Mata.

The dharma devata is seen at the 9H from the karakamsa which is Virgo occupied

by the Sun again representing Kartikeya.

Looking at his Palana devata, 6th from the Amatyakaraka ( Venus), we find an

unoccupied Cancer with again the waning Moon representing Kali Mata. Cancer is

aspected by Venus, Rahu and Mercury from Aquarius and Jupiter and Mars from

Taurus. So any of those deities can be worshipped including Mercury in a fixed

sign representing Sri Krishna, but I'm wondering if the strongest planet

aspecting is Rahu in it's own sign representing Durga.

But as in Sri Ramakrishna's chart, were we see is supreme bhakti for Kali from

the Bhratrikaraka ( a New Moon ) we see that Sudharsan's Bhratrikaraka is

Mercury is a fixed sign in both rasi and navamsha indicating Sri Krishna. I

only question why the other planets that Mercury is with, Rahu in it's own

house, or Venus which more advanced in degrees didn't give another deity.

However, if you look at his Vimsamsa (D-20), you see that mercury is exalted in

the second with the house indicating his Kula devata. Mercury is also with

Saturn the AK. Sudharsan, does your family also worship Sri Krishna?

The mantra pada, A5 in rasi chart is Aries with it's lord Mars. How does this

show what mantra he will be attracted to?

Would it indicate a mantra for Kartikeya?

I will be out of town for a week [not at the SJVC USA West conference (

]starting tomorrow and will be unable to reply until I return.

Best Wishes,

Karen

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August 21, 2002

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Karen,

IMO the following definitely provides a clue.My comments are in bold after Karen's.

However, if you look at his Vimsamsa (D-20), you see that mercury is exalted in

the second with the house indicating his Kula devata. Mercury is also with

Saturn the AK. Sudharsan, does your family also worship Sri Krishna?

My family Deity is Vishnu...in the Narayana Form. Take a look at the fourth from

Virgo which is my fifth house in D-20. That represents the Deity that I would be

very attached to. The fifth from D-20 Lagna is aspected by exalted Mercury and

Saturn and could definitely represent Vishnu-tattva Deities.

The mantra pada, A5 in rasi chart is Aries with it's lord Mars. How does this

show what mantra he will be attracted to?

Mars could show an inclination toward Narasimhadeva Avatara of Krishna which Iam

also very attached to but since the mantra pada recives Rashi Dristhi from Mer,

ven and Jupiter, again indicating the inclination toward Vishnu Tattva deities.

Maybe that explains the Ishta. Just a thought that ran through my head...when we

see the Moon and Sun in Dual(Vishnu)signs can we assume that they represent Lord

Krishna and Lord Rama as opposed to the Divine Mother and Lord Shiva.

Any thoughts or comments ?

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

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August 21, 2002

Vyam Vyasaadevaaya Namah

Dear Krithi,

Theres much truth in your statements.

There is more to this, and i will take the advice of my guru in not going too

deep, otherwise we may get confused quickly.

Some basics of Vimsamsa.

2nd house indicates Kula(family) Devata.

4th house indicates Grama/Sthana(town) Devata.

5th house/lord will indicate ones favorite deity.

But first and foremost, see the AK and Istha Devata, and note them down before

looking at the chart. You will see spiritual connections between these planets

in the chart.

Example: My Istha Devata is Mercury, 3rd drekkana: Sri Krishna. Mercury is

joined with 5th(divine vision) and 2nd(vaak) lord Jupiter(Astrology), in the

12th(meditation and foreign lands). Furthermore Mercury is itself 8th and 11th

lord.

You will notice that the 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th houses are kendra to each other.

Infact these are called the Panaphara and are necessary for speaking(2),

seeing(5), being(8), and learning(11) about spirituality and rebirth(8th)

respectively.

Hence by doing astrology, i am doing the work of my Istha Devata.. Jagannath Krishna.

So check the AK and Istha Devatas in the chart. There will be very important

connections with the persons life. Usually theres a connection between AK &

11th house in astrologers charts.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

Krithi

sjvc

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:20 AM

Re: [sjvc] Mantra for Ishta Devata and Dasa of 8th Lord-Visti

Ohm Sri Lakshmi Hayavadana Parabrehmane Namaha !HARE RAMA KRISHNA !Dear Visti,

I too have the similar question regarding IstaDevata.After seeing most of my

friends charts i cameto know that the lord of 12th from Karakamsa dominatesin

deciding one's Ista devata.I may be worng but iwant to share this with u.

Even though the native initially prays the deityof other planets which

occupy/aspects the 12th fromkarakamsa,finally she/he stops with the

deityindicated by the lord of 12th from karakamsa. In my case,Karakamsa being

Aquaris and Sani beingthe lord of Karakamsa and its 12th house,placed

inKarakamsa with Kethu.12th from karakamsa(capricon) hasMoon,Ven and Sun.

Jupiter & Raghu has Rasi Dristi on12th from karakamsa and Neecha Mangal has

Graha Dristion 12th from karakamsa. Initially i prayed Sri Subramaniya ,then

LordGanesh and then Divine mother.Finally i stopped withSri Lakshmi Hayagriva(a

form of Sri Maha Vishnu).NowRegularly i say Sri Hayagriva's Sthothrams and

SriDhakshinamoorthy's Astagam (may be due to Jupiter rasiaspect on 12th from

karakamsa & Raghu's Rasi Aspect on12th from Karakamsa where Sun is also placed

). Though i pray all the gods right now,i love to praySri Hayagriva. So ,if

time permits,pls provide all the hidden rulesfor identifying the Ista Devata

and pls guide us howto use those. After seeing ur reply i checked my A5 in

Rasi whichis combined with AL and has Sani and Surya in it.iunderstood that

Sani(my AK) makes me to pray a form ofSri Vishne(Sri Hayagriva) and Surya makes

me to PraySri Dakshinamoorthy.Ur statement is 100 % correct andPls explain me

how to use Vimsamsa for identifyingIsta devata.HARE RAMA KRISHNA !Thanks And

Regards,Krithi--- Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108 > wrote:> > Hare

Rama Krishna> Jaya Jagannatha> Dear Visti,> I need some help with the concept

of Ishta Devata. I> have the 12th (Sagittarius) from Karakamsa> (Capricorn)

empty with its Lord Jupiter with Mars in> Taurus. According to an earlier post

since the sign> is empty we take Griha Dristhi and I have Moon in> Pisces and

Sun in Virgo aspecting, which indicates> Lord Shiva and Parvathi Devi.But my

doubt is that my> deep attraction is toward Shri Krishna and> everything to do

with emancipation and the Vaishnava> sampradya as a whole. My doubts are as to

how is> that explained? I have definitely prayed to Lord> Shiva and Parvathi in

the past but it was very short> lived.Likewise the Ishta of Shri Ramakrishna

was> Siva but he was a great devotee of Maha Kali.> Can u kindly throw some

light on this ? Only if> needed my DOB is 03/23/1968, TOB 20:20:32 and Place>

Coimbatore.> Thanks in advance> Hare Krishna> Sudharsan> Visti Larsen

wrote:Vyam Vyasaadevaaaya Namah> > Dear

Sattva,Jupiter in the 12th from Karakamsa is a> great blessing and indicator of

praying to the> allmighty god in the form of Nirguna Narayana.Your> Mantra is:

Om Gurave Namah.For those who can avoid> telling a lie, Om Tat Sat is the one.

As for 8th> lord Dasas. It depends.. learn how to predict it> first. Saturn is

the Karaka of debt. Best wishes,> Visti. -

sattvasoma> sjvc Tuesday, August 20,> 2002 6:15

PM[sjvc] Mantra for Ishta Devata> and Dasa of 8th Lord> Dear Esteemed

Gurus,> > Would you please help me with a mantra for my Ishat> Devata (Jupiter

is> in 12 in D-9 from AK Saturn)?> > My birth data: > > Oct. 23, 1958> 3:51

p.m. (zone = +4) > 71W04, 42N21 > > Also, does the Maha dasa of the 8th lord

often mean> indebtedness? > > Do the Maha dasas of the nodes take on the>

characteristics of their> dispositors?> > Thank you and blessins to all,> >

Sattva> > > > > Terms of

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August 21, 2002

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sudharsan,

As you know I am just your fellow student so please take my posts as such.

My thoughts are that the astrological rules we learn are just guideline and

have to take into account the background of the person. For example my family

is Christian and even though my Ishta devata indicates Kali Mata I worshipped

the Virgin Mary before learning about Kali. Mexican Catholics even have a form

of Mother Mary known as the Virgin of Guadalupe who is dark complexioned and

fought the demons. The soul knows who the ishta is, the astrological chart just

confirms it. Vaishnavas, like yourself, will see the planets as Vishnu avatars,

Shaivites may see the planets as the various Jyotirlingams and Sikhs may see

ishta as the 10 Gurus. The importance is not who to worship but just to

worship and the soul will naturally be guided to the Ishta.

You made very good points about your 5th house in D20 and Matrapada being

aspected by Mercury (Vishnu avatar) and Saturn (Narayana) so it makes sense

that Mars represents Narasimhadeva to you.

Best Wishes,

Karen

August 21, 2002

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Karen,

Your points do have a lot of intuitive appeal. I agree its very important to

gauge one's background etc before recommending a manthra or Deity . As you

noticed I was approaching the subject in the context of Rasi's providing the

general theme which would influence the grahas. That is if the Sun was in a

Fixed(Shiva) sign could we say that it represents Lord Shiva while if it were

to be in a Dual(Vishnu) sign would it be taken as Lord Rama. That is something

which needs to be kindly clarified by the Gurus as to whether Parasara or

Jaimini had such a classification.Thanks for your comments, they were very

insightful indeed.

Visti has suggested a very close association of the AK and the Ishta ,that makes

a lot of sense as AK represents the atma.In this regard the AK plays the most

important role.

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

Karen Skoler wrote: