Guidance!!!

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respected gurujis and list members,

 

its my honor to join this list. since my childhood i was a keen

follower of Sri Ram. but since last 8-10 years i got attracted to Sri

Krishna through Bhagwad Geeta. But these days i feel deviated and

wish to have a specific way/method/deity to realize the supreme

power. Please guide how can i in a best way come close to The God and

have adhyatmik satisfaction to overcome worldly diffilties and to be

sure of my path.

 

regards,

 

LP Shrivastava

[Guest guest]

//OM SHREE GANESHAYANAMHA//

 

Dear Shrivastava,

I also joined the list recently. I got this spontaneous urge to share my

experience with you when I read your message. I was in the same situation

few years ago, then I met my Guru and since then I get up at 4 AM almost

every day and do chanting of OM twenty-one ties, one mala of jap of Guru

mantra, pranayam, and then meditation. This has helped me to increase my

confidence and now I am convinced that I am on a path leading to The God.

 

If this experience of mine is nothing new for you, please forgive me.

 

Regards,

Sadashiv.

 

>

> lpshrivastava2002 [sMTP:lpshrivastava2002]

> Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:37 PM

> sjvc

> [sjvc] Guidance!!!

>

> respected gurujis and list members,

>

> its my honor to join this list. since my childhood i was a keen

> follower of Sri Ram. but since last 8-10 years i got attracted to Sri

> Krishna through Bhagwad Geeta. But these days i feel deviated and

> wish to have a specific way/method/deity to realize the supreme

> power. Please guide how can i in a best way come close to The God and

> have adhyatmik satisfaction to overcome worldly diffilties and to be

> sure of my path.

>

> regards,

>

> LP Shrivastava

>

>

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

[Guest guest]

I do agree with your views but you seem to be far from reality. One need not to

rise early in the morning and do japas to attain confidence. You should know

that God has confirmed the best Yogi who always remember within himself with

full devotion. Please consult last shloka of 6th discourse of Bhagwad Geeta "

Yoginaam....... yukttamomatah". You have to remember God every moment to have

yoga with the God. This will also make sure to perform every Karma with

expertness. Geeta has every answer to every query but with another new query.

Sada Dharwarkar <sada.dharwarkar (AT) teklogix (DOT) com> wrote: //OM SHREE

GANESHAYANAMHA//Dear Shrivastava,I also joined the list recently. I got this

spontaneous urge to share myexperience with you when I read your message. I was

in the same situationfew years ago, then I met my Guru and since then I get up

at 4 AM almostevery day and do chanting of OM twenty-one ties, one mala of jap

of Gurumantra, pranayam, and then meditation. This has helped me to increase

myconfidence and now I am convinced that I am on a path leading to The God.If

this experience of mine is nothing new for you, please forgive

me.Regards,Sadashiv. > > lpshrivastava2002

[sMTP:lpshrivastava2002 ]> Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:37 PM>

sjvc> [sjvc] Guidance!!!> > respected

gurujis and list members,> > its my honor to join this list. since my childhood

i was a keen > follower of Sri Ram. but since last 8-10 years i got attracted to

Sri > Krishna through Bhagwad Geeta. But these days i feel deviated and > wish

to have a specific way/method/deity to realize the supreme > power. Please

guide how can i in a best way come close to The God and > have adhyatmik

satisfaction to overcome worldly diffilties and to be > sure of my path.> >

regards,> > LP Shrivastava > > > > > > Your use of is subject to

> Your use of is subject to the

 

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Dear Shrivastava,

Thank you so much for the eye opening comments. I had never thought of it

that way. I was only thinking in terms of sadhana and I was told that

sadhana should be done not at our convenience.

 

Thanks again,

Regards,

Sadashiv.

 

>

> Lalta Prasad Shrivastava [sMTP:lpshrivastava2002]

> Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:36 PM

> sjvc

> RE: [sjvc] Guidance!!!

>

> Dear Sadashiva,

>

> I do agree with your views but you seem to be far from reality. One need

> not to rise early in the morning and do japas to attain confidence. You

> should know that God has confirmed the best Yogi who always remember

> within himself with full devotion. Please consult last shloka of 6th

> discourse of Bhagwad Geeta " Yoginaam....... yukttamomatah". You have to

> remember God every moment to have yoga with the God. This will also make

> sure to perform every Karma with expertness.

>

> Geeta has every answer to every query but with another new query.

>

> Sada Dharwarkar <sada.dharwarkar wrote:

>

> //OM SHREE GANESHAYANAMHA//

>

> Dear Shrivastava,

> I also joined the list recently. I got this spontaneous urge to

> share my

> experience with you when I read your message. I was in the same

> situation

> few years ago, then I met my Guru and since then I get up at 4 AM

> almost

> every day and do chanting of OM twenty-one ties, one mala of jap of

> Guru

> mantra, pranayam, and then meditation. This has helped me to

> increase my

> confidence and now I am convinced that I am on a path leading to The

> God.

>

> If this experience of mine is nothing new for you, please forgive

> me.

>

> Regards,

> Sadashiv.

>

> >

> > lpshrivastava2002 [sMTP:lpshrivastava2002]

> > Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:37 PM

> > sjvc

> > [sjvc] Guidance!!!

> >

> > respected gurujis and list members,

> >

> > its my honor to join this list. since my childhood i was a keen

> > follower of Sri Ram. but since last 8-10 years i got attracted to

> Sri

> > Krishna through Bhagwad Geeta. But these days i feel deviated and

> > wish to have a specific way/method/deity to realize the supreme

> > power. Please guide how can i in a best way come close to The God

> and

> > have adhyatmik satisfaction to overcome worldly diffilties and to

> be

> > sure of my path.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > LP Shrivastava

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

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> >

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Dear Lalitha Prasad

Jaya Jagannath

 

Great- you seem to share kUMBHAKARNAS PHILOSOPHY. WE CAN SLEEP FOR HALF THE YEAR

WHY TALK OF WAKING UP AT ALL IN THE DAY. and that too 4 am!! If we sleep we

cause no sin, and if we cause no sin we go to heaven, so let us sleep and go to

heaven!! That is the ultimate end to that logic and reality of yours.

Now what Dharwarkar is suggesting nis exactly the opposite ti this and requires

spiritual disciplene.

Who is right - you or him?

Sanjay Rath

Lalta Prasad Shrivastava

[lpshrivastava2002 ]Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:06 PMTo:

sjvcSubject: RE: [sjvc] Guidance!!!

Dear Sadashiva, I do agree with your views but you seem to be far from reality.

One need not to rise early in the morning and do japas to attain confidence.

You should know that God has confirmed the best Yogi who always remember within

himself with full devotion. Please consult last shloka of 6th discourse of

Bhagwad Geeta " Yoginaam....... yukttamomatah". You have to remember God every

moment to have yoga with the God. This will also make sure to perform every

Karma with expertness. Geeta has every answer to every query but with another

new query. Sada Dharwarkar <sada.dharwarkar (AT) teklogix (DOT) com> wrote: //OM SHREE

GANESHAYANAMHA//Dear Shrivastava,I also joined the list recently. I got this

spontaneous urge to share myexperience with you when I read your message. I was

in the same situationfew years ago, then I met my Guru and since then I get up

at 4 AM almostevery day and do chanting of OM twenty-one ties, one mala of jap

of Gurumantra, pranayam, and then meditation. This has helped me to increase

myconfidence and now I am convinced that I am on a path leading to The God.If

this experience of mine is nothing new for you, please forgive

me.Regards,Sadashiv. > > lpshrivastava2002

[sMTP:lpshrivastava2002 ]> Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:37 PM>

sjvc> [sjvc] Guidance!!!> > respected

gurujis and list members,> > its my honor to join this list. since my childhood

i was a keen > follower of Sri Ram. but since last 8-10 years i got attracted to

Sri > Krishna through Bhagwad Geeta. But these days i feel deviated and > wish

to have a specific way/method/deity to realize the supreme > power. Please

guide how can i in a best way come close to The God and > have adhyatmik

satisfaction to overcome worldly diffilties and to be > sure of my path.> >

regards,> > LP Shrivastava > > > > > > Your use of is subject to

> Your use of is subject to the

 

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subject to the

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalitha Prasad

Jaya Jagannath

 

Great- you seem to share kUMBHAKARNAS PHILOSOPHY. WE CAN SLEEP FOR HALF THE YEAR

WHY TALK OF WAKING UP AT ALL IN THE DAY. and that too 4 am!! If we sleep we

cause no sin, and if we cause no sin we go to heaven, so let us sleep and go to

heaven!! That is the ultimate end to that logic and reality of yours.

Now what Dharwarkar is suggesting nis exactly the opposite ti this and requires

spiritual disciplene.

Who is right - you or him?

Sanjay Rath

Lalta Prasad Shrivastava

[lpshrivastava2002 ]Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:06 PMTo:

sjvcSubject: RE: [sjvc] Guidance!!!

Dear Sadashiva, I do agree with your views but you seem to be far from reality.

One need not to rise early in the morning and do japas to attain confidence.

You should know that God has confirmed the best Yogi who always remember within

himself with full devotion. Please consult last shloka of 6th discourse of

Bhagwad Geeta " Yoginaam....... yukttamomatah". You have to remember God every

moment to have yoga with the God. This will also make sure to perform every

Karma with expertness. Geeta has every answer to every query but with another

new query. Sada Dharwarkar <sada.dharwarkar (AT) teklogix (DOT) com> wrote: //OM SHREE

GANESHAYANAMHA//Dear Shrivastava,I also joined the list recently. I got this

spontaneous urge to share myexperience with you when I read your message. I was

in the same situationfew years ago, then I met my Guru and since then I get up

at 4 AM almostevery day and do chanting of OM twenty-one ties, one mala of jap

of Gurumantra, pranayam, and then meditation. This has helped me to increase

myconfidence and now I am convinced that I am on a path leading to The God.If

this experience of mine is nothing new for you, please forgive

me.Regards,Sadashiv. > > lpshrivastava2002

[sMTP:lpshrivastava2002 ]> Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:37 PM>

sjvc> [sjvc] Guidance!!!> > respected

gurujis and list members,> > its my honor to join this list. since my childhood

i was a keen > follower of Sri Ram. but since last 8-10 years i got attracted to

Sri > Krishna through Bhagwad Geeta. But these days i feel deviated and > wish

to have a specific way/method/deity to realize the supreme > power. Please

guide how can i in a best way come close to The God and > have adhyatmik

satisfaction to overcome worldly diffilties and to be > sure of my path.> >

regards,> > LP Shrivastava > > > > > > Your use of is subject to

> Your use of is subject to the

 

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subject to the Your use of is subject to

the

Mr Rath

Thanx for your reply, though i m not convinced either by KUMBH KARAN nor COCK ,

who wake up every morning at 4 am to make a specific voice (mantra). I hve seen

so many GURU's who preach their dsciples as per their conventional traditions

without realizing the natural tendencies & demands for the individuals.

In whole of "Geeta" Lord KRISHNA or the writer has never given any specific time

or discipline by which he will be available to share his actions & reactions. In

eigths discorse (annaya cheta yo mam smiriti nityasaha tasya ham sulabh parth

nitya uktasya yoginya) which implies, internet internet connection to GOD is

available at all time & is alwys Online & he is powerful enuff to tell

something whenm you are asleep. or you attain the position of Samadhi.

On the contrary, when you are awaken your all "INDRIYA's" works & GOD is not the

matter of your INDRIYA's. You can have something only when you are too GUNA TIT

(i.e. beyond three guna's).

Anyway, I humbly request you to kindly let me know whether anybody can be "MY

GURU" who has really done "ATAM SAKCHHATKAR".

Regards

LPS

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I do agree with your views. Can I expect you to help me to approach shri

Jagannath so that I could know about my Guru and the path? I also heard that

one can decide his shta/granth/deity/guru/path on the basis of sanskars. Though

I dont believe in Astrology a bit. May be my restlessness is due to the fact

that till now I never met any Guru who can satisfy me spritually and show me

the right path in every field of life. I do apologize if my words hurt anybody.

But when you dont get what you have expected, it is the obvious outcome. Also,

are we bound to undergo difficulties in life as written in fate or we could

change or check the mishappenings by worshipping or otherwise?

Regards,

LP Shrivastava

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay,

I must thank you for this message. We should protect Dharma

vigorously and against all onslaughts, one of such is the

Aristotelianism.

 

Let me clarify this:

 

 

Let us take this line: Kumbha Karna was Yogi.

 

These sunken aristotelian logical mind applied their logic

rule "converting specific one to universalization aka

changing the Existential quantifier to Universal quantifier", which

lead to "every human is yogi"

 

Kumbha karna is yogi(Existential quantifier) "become"

Every human is yogi(Universal quantifier)

 

This one is coupled with "Mr X is human", ended up with Mr X is Yogi

by using Their sunken RULES of Inference, which is like their first

line in the Logic handbook:

 

Proposition A: All humans are mortals.

Proposition B: Chandra Levy is a human

 

Thus, Chandra Levy is mortal.

 

Astrology is superstition in Aristotle logic of DUALITY. Their life

ends with so-called Incompleteness Theorem in passive formal system.

 

Our spiritual system is Infinite active system(Ananta sayana).

 

 

Best Regards,

Venkateswara Reddy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Dear Lalitha Prasad

> Jaya Jagannath

>

> Great- you seem to share kUMBHAKARNAS PHILOSOPHY. WE CAN SLEEP FOR

HALF THE

> YEAR WHY TALK OF WAKING UP AT ALL IN THE DAY. and that too 4 am!!

If we

> sleep we cause no sin, and if we cause no sin we go to heaven, so

let us

> sleep and go to heaven!! That is the ultimate end to that logic and

reality

> of yours.

> Now what Dharwarkar is suggesting nis exactly the opposite ti this

and

> requires spiritual disciplene.

> Who is right - you or him?

> Sanjay Rath

>

> Lalta Prasad Shrivastava [lpshrivastava2002]

> Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:06 PM

> sjvc

> RE: [sjvc] Guidance!!!

>

>

> Dear Sadashiva,

>

> I do agree with your views but you seem to be far from reality.

One need

> not to rise early in the morning and do japas to attain confidence.

You

> should know that God has confirmed the best Yogi who always

remember within

> himself with full devotion. Please consult last shloka of 6th

discourse of

> Bhagwad Geeta " Yoginaam....... yukttamomatah". You have to

remember God

> every moment to have yoga with the God. This will also make sure to

perform

> every Karma with expertness.

>

> Geeta has every answer to every query but with another new query.

>

> Sada Dharwarkar <sada.dharwarkar@t...> wrote:

>

> //OM SHREE GANESHAYANAMHA//

>

> Dear Shrivastava,

> I also joined the list recently. I got this spontaneous urge to

share my

> experience with you when I read your message. I was in the same

> situation

> few years ago, then I met my Guru and since then I get up at 4

AM almost

> every day and do chanting of OM twenty-one ties, one mala of

jap of Guru

> mantra, pranayam, and then meditation. This has helped me to

increase my

> confidence and now I am convinced that I am on a path leading

to The

> God.

>

> If this experience of mine is nothing new for you, please

forgive me.

>

> Regards,

> Sadashiv.

>

> >

> > lpshrivastava2002 [sMTP:lpshrivastava2002]

> > Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:37 PM

> > sjvc

> > [sjvc] Guidance!!!

> >

> > respected gurujis and list members,

> >

> > its my honor to join this list. since my childhood i was a

keen

> > follower of Sri Ram. but since last 8-10 years i got

attracted to Sri

> > Krishna through Bhagwad Geeta. But these days i feel deviated

and

> > wish to have a specific way/method/deity to realize the

supreme

> > power. Please guide how can i in a best way come close to The

God and

> > have adhyatmik satisfaction to overcome worldly diffilties

and to be

> > sure of my path.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > LP Shrivastava

[Guest guest]

Hello LP shrivastav :

 

 

<<Can I expect you to help me to approach shri Jagannath so that I

could know about my Guru and the path? >>

I belive you would have atleast partially answered that question

before you had joined the group. You may have doubts and gurus try to

clear it, but If you question the success of the outcome even before

you start, the success may be hampered.

 

Indeed there are many ways to reach god. Based on reading and

knowledge alone may not help. It needs to be realized and practiced.

 

The doubt you placed on getting up early in the morning and doing

the nitya kriyas suggested (like prayer, recitation etc) are to tone

up the mind. The Mind is very volatile. One needs to control it to

attain success and focus the energy.

 

You belief or non belief in astrology may not be a concern to attain

the lord's grace.

 

 

 

<<I also heard that one can decide his shta/granth/deity/guru/path on

the basis of sanskars >>

 

True, provided we know to take the correct choices, (here you may

still need some one to tell the selection is correct, generally

during childhood it is the parents or teachers etc, You have to place

complete trust on somebody's judgement)

 

 

<<May be my restlessness is due to the fact that till now I never met

any Guru who can satisfy me spritually and show me the right path in

every field of life.>>

 

It could also be due to the fact that your mental (logical reasoning)

is not in agreement with your mind. If you read or listen to most of

the lectures from gurus or leaders, they usually say "practice".

 

English saying goes "Practice makes man perfect"

 

Dohe, Maybe Nirgun Bhakti, which does not attribute form to worship

says

 

"Karath Karath Abhyas ke jadumathi hoth sujaan"

"Rasri Awath Jaath ke Sil par parath nishaan"

 

Doing practice not so intelligent person (may also mean lazy I

believe) becomes knowledgable

as the rope brushes on the stone it leaves the mark (If you noticed

in villages they use ropes to pull water out)

 

Bhagavad Geeta also has a few shlokas on practice. And it also says

practice will take away the doubts.

 

<<I do apologize if my words hurt anybody. But when you dont get what

you have expected, it is the obvious outcome.>>

 

In the path of learning you need patience. If everything comes easy,

the world woulb not be at this stage. Guidance from gurus and other

students and people and helping other teaches these things.

 

<<Also, are we bound to undergo difficulties in life as written in

fate or we could change or check the mishappenings by worshipping or

otherwise? >>

 

Depends on how you see it ? You could look at it both ways. The

things in life happen or do not happen because we did or did not do

some things at the appropriate time. The person who did or did not do

the action is us.

 

If you look at the teachings by Bhagawad geeta or Lectures by swami

vivekananda, It all says there is some part of divine in us, and we

have realize the divine in us to overcome all adversities, but to

know and not realize, is wasting away the potential.

 

Gold or Iron or even mud(clay) as such is useless, It needs the

goldsmith or blacksmith or the potter to give it some shape or do

somethinh useful out of it. Conside the same with a guru, who clears

our doubts and shows us the correct way. But you also have to trust

the guru and cannot as for guarantees, It is us who control the

outcome.

 

You can consider the guru to show you the way and probably show the

steps to climb. You will have to climb up yourself, (unfortunately

there are no escalators there). It is also the same with having food,

Finally for the energy we have to eat and digest it.

 

I hope what I mentioned clears some of your doubts (and also raised

new ones). I also hope I have not mentioned any thing out of context.

If I am wrong in mentioning any thing, please correct me.

 

Ishwar