Lesson on Phonemes - Valerie's question

May 6, 2002

Dear Sajayji,

I'm very sorry for intervention.

Could you correct my analysis for one name with different pronunciation (if you

have some time for it):

1) Youry -> you - riy = 2 phoneme -> the movable signs are strong

2) Yuri -> yu(1) - ri(0) = 1 pheneme -> is it correct? Which is it sign - Dual?

3) Yuriy -> yu - riy = 2 pheneme -> the movable signs are strong

4) Youriy -> you - riy = 2 phoneme -> the movable signs are strong

Could we analyse of our surname too (for example Khme - lev - ski = 2-> movable

or Khme - lev - skiy - 3-> dual )? Could we increase of our Rashi by changing

of name spelling?

I have La in movable sign. Does it mean, that it's better to use name (and last

name?) with 2 pheneme? For example, Youry or Yuriy (and Last Name ->

Khme-lev-ski, but not Khme-lev-sky) ?

Sorry for intervention again,

Youry

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Mon, 6 May 2002 10:14:48 +0530

"Sanjay Rath" <srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com>

Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Valerie's question

Om Gurave Namah

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Dear Valerie,

perfectly fine. They who shall speak their mind truthfully shall be able to

learn, and you fit into this category..Akshara means syllables and phoneme as

well. In the present context, it means phoneme or sounds created by the coming

together of two or more syllables. The number of such phoneme in any name is

very important. Lets take a look at your name..Valerie. Now, we braek this into

the syllables - va, a, la, ae, ra and e. Of these syllables, va and a combine to

give the long form vaa which is one phoneme. la and ae combine to give the long

phoneme lae and ra & e combine to give the phoneme re. Thus, you have 3

phonemes in your name.

Now, the rule: If there are 2 phoneme, the movable signs are strong, 3 phonemes,

dual signs are strong and 4 phonemes shows that the fixed signs are strong.

This rule has been extensively used in naming purposes in ancient India where

the number of syllables in a name would depend on the strongest sign in a

chart. Both Sri Ram and His younger brother Bharat had very strong

ascendants.So, their names were based on their Lagna promising undying fame.

India is named Bhaarat and this land is always serving /worshipping Sri Ram

just as His brother had done so many years back. Now, Rama has two phonemes Ra

& Ma showing that the movable signs were strong and this was true for Ram as

His ascendant was Cancer (Movable). The name Bharat has 3 phonemes - Bha, Ra &

Ta indicating strong dual signs. Bharat's ascendant was Pisces (Dual sign).

Even if you do not know sanskrit, you can still learn this procedure easily. The

simple steps are as follows:

STEP 1: Write the name (in english) and draw vertical lines over the vowels (a,

e, i, o, u). However, if the name starts or ends with one or more vowels, then

do not draw a vertical line over these vowels.

STEP 2: If two lines are adjacent to each other then, rub out or cut one line.

STEP 3: Count the number of segments created. This is the number of phoneme.

In the final analysis, the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes

should not be altered in the mantra by an incorrect pronunciation. So long as

this does not happen, the error is not perceivable and perfection comes through

practise of mantra japa. Beejakshara and Kutas are slightly more complicated as

the consonants 'M' or 'T' ending the words are also to be considered as vowels.

Example:

1. Determine the numebr of phoneme in the name VALERIE.

Step 1: Draw vertical lines over 'A' (between V & L) and E (between L & E).

Lines cannot be drawn over I & E at the end of the name.

Step 2: None of the lines are adjacent

Step 3: Three segments are formed by two lines (normally the number of segments

= number of lines + 1). Thus there are 3 phonemes making the dual signs strong.

2. Determine the number of phoneme in the name SANJAY

Step 1: Draw vertical lines over A (between S & N) and A (between J & Y).

Step 2: none of the lines are adjacent.

Step 3: 2 lines and hence, 3 segments are formed. 3 phones indicates strong dual signs.

Assignment:

1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences:

(a) (i) Solai (ii) Phyllis (iii) Phyl (iv) Narasimha (v) Robert (vi) Patraka (vii) Brendan

(b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in

the chart of Bill Clinton.

India & Bharat or any other example.

2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra:

(a) Om namo bhagavate vasudevaaya

(b) Om namo Naarayanaya

phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya

(d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight &

akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya

namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah

Best Regards,

Sanjay Rath

Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

May 6, 2002

Namaste Sanjay Guru ji,

On going through this lesson, I am beset with the following doubts and request

your clarifications:

1. How do we deal with the words whose phoneme value is less thatn 2 or

greater than 4. Since the Movable/ Dual/ Fixed values start with 2, we cannot

have a repeating cycle.

Examples:

Shri – it will have phoneme value of 1.

Constantinople – it’s phoneme value will be 5

2. If a vowel is pronounced like a full-fledged phoneme, does it get a

value of 1.

Examples:

America –will it have phoneme value of 3 or 4 [ if the 1st ‘a’ is given value of 1, total becomes 4.

Russia – since it is pronounced as ‘ru’ +’shi’ + ‘aa’, shold it get a value

of 3?

Ethopia- here we have full-sound vowels ad both ends, i.e. ‘ee’

+’tho’+’pi’+’aa’. As per normal rules, the value will be 2 but going by

pronunciation, it can be 4.

Kindly elaborate on the above points.

With sincere regards,

Shailesh

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Sanjay Rath

sjvc

Cc: Varahamihira

Monday, May 06, 2002 10:14 AM

[sjvc] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Valerie's question

Om Gurave Namah------------------------Dear Valerie,