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Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

I know this is inexplicable. In Kerala too we have a temple at Chottanikkara for

Shree Rajarajeshwari - she is worshipped as Mookambika (Saraswati) in the

morning, Lakshmi in the afternoon and Shree Parvati in the evening. This temple

was established by Shree Sankaracharya and according to legend - he brought the

devi from Kollur. This devi is also said to a sister to Poornathrayesa (Maha

Vishnu) in the town of Thripunithura near by. I have asked about this to many

but have not got any satisfactory explanation.

My logic tells me that God is formless and we humans worship assuming some form.

So isn't all the Gods and Godesses the same Supreme who is formless? So I do not

ponder too much on this. Just worship your Ishta devata and He/She would help

and guide you.

ThanksJayakrishnan

>"Nisha M."

>sjvc >sjvc >[sjvc]

Krishna and Parvati >Mon, 6 May 2002 00:13:28 -0700 (PDT) > >In

Shankracharya's Meenakshi Panch Strotam, it is inscribed that Sri Krishna and

Maa Parvati (Meenakshi) are siblings? Its universal that one is from dwapar

yuga and another treta (not confirmed but from the perspective of Ramayana we

could say that)? Is there any leela attached with this? We all know about the

Subhadra being Krishna's sister then how come Parvati maa could be attached in

this form? If anybody has any idea about this please let us know. > >

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HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH

 

Dear Jaykrishnanji and Gurus,

Your comment on formless nature of the Supreme Lord is advaitic

and this list which is inspired by Sri Acyuta Das , a disciple of

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu , who staunchly refuted advaita. According to

Mahaprabhu's teachings, the Supreme Lord has form (for he is refered

to as Purusha - a person), and the formless nature of the Supreme

Lord corresponds to the Brahman realization whereas there are 2 more

realizations of the Supreme Lord as Paramatma and Bhagavan(vadanti

tat tattva vidas tattvam yad jnanam advayam.brahmeti paramatmeti,

bhagavniti uchyathe - Srimad bhagavatham).This has often been

explained by taking the example of the effulgence of the sun, the

reflection of sun in the water pots on the Earth and the deity - lord

of sun within the sun for Brahman, Paramatman and Bhagavan

respectively. In this context, the usage of Nirguna Brahman in the

vedic scriptures refers to the Supreme Lord not influenced by the 3

gunas and the Saguna Brahman refers to the Supreme Lord with a form

of sat, chit and ananda. With this background, we can go back to the

initial verses in BPHS (verses 13-15 in chap1) inwhich it is said

that the perciptible nature of the lord has Sri Sakti(Lakshmi), Bhoo

Sakthi(Saraswati) and Neela Sakti .I know Durga and Radha belong to

Neela Sakthi, but don't know about Goddess Parvati. If that is the

case (Parvati is also Neela Sakti) , then in Chottanikara temple,

they are worshiping the energy of the Lord who is always serving the

Lord in various ways.This is also the case with the Hare krishna Maha

mantra in which we pray to mother Hara to engage us in the service of

Hari(Krishna).The times of worship of these 3 saktis at 3 different

times could have implication for jyotish. Creative faculty and those

activities that require growth such as learning and farming are best

done in the morning, sattvic activites such as initiation into

mantra , pujas etc are best done in the middle portion of the day(say

noon) - and tamasic activities are best done at night/evening - say

opening of liquor shop, sleeping etc.This raises another question,

what about the turiya gayatri - (12:00 night).As per Gurudeva Sanjay

Rath's mail this is ideal for spiritual practice(or is it mystic

practice).At this point , I am getting confused. I request the Gurus

to kindly guide me and correct my understanding if the above

statements are wrong.

 

Your sisya

K.N.Sriram

 

sjvc, "Jayakrishnan Menon" <jk_menon@h...> wrote:

Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

 

I know this is inexplicable. In Kerala too we have a temple at

Chottanikkara for Shree Rajarajeshwari - she is worshipped as

Mookambika (Saraswati) in the morning, Lakshmi in the afternoon and

Shree Parvati in the evening. This temple was established by Shree

Sankaracharya and according to legend - he brought the devi from

Kollur. This devi is also said to a sister to Poornathrayesa (Maha

Vishnu) in the town of Thripunithura near by. I have asked about this

to many but have not got any satisfactory explanation.

 

My logic tells me that God is formless and we humans worship assuming

some form. So isn't all the Gods and Godesses the same Supreme who is

formless? So I do not ponder too much on this. Just worship your

Ishta devata and He/She would help and guide you.

 

Thanks

Jayakrishnan

 

>

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Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

Beautiful explanation. But my refernce to the advaitic priciple of formlessness

was more in the sense that mere mortals require a form to pray to - relate to -

surrender to. So doesn't this mean that all these forms are all the same one

Shakthi/Purusha. Actually we cannot attribute even a gender to him. Devi

Mahatmayam says the Devi is the source of creation, Bhagvatham says its it is

Shree Mahavishnu who did this and Shiva Purana attributes this to Shiva. So who

is right? Who decides it? Doesn't this mean that it is we mortals who have

written these thinking of the form that we want to visualize our GOD as. Isn't

it a paradox that Shree Shankaracharya the greatest proponent of advaita also

laid down the panchayatna practices, established so many temples, gave his

mother a glimpse of the Paramatma? These were purely my musings from what I

have read and heard. I asm no proponent of advaita. I definitely have not

reached that level of consciouness to pray the Supreme as Nirguna. I need a

Saguna roop for which I have chosen Shree Ganesha.

ThanksJayakrishnan

>"snk110"

>sjvc >sjvc >[sjvc] Re:

Krishna and Parvati >Tue, 07 May 2002 14:59:25 -0000 > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA

>OM GURAVE NAMAH > >Dear Jaykrishnanji and Gurus, > Your comment on formless

nature of the Supreme Lord is advaitic >and this list which is inspired by Sri

Acyuta Das , a disciple of >Chaitanya Mahaprabhu , who staunchly refuted

advaita. According to >Mahaprabhu's teachings, the Supreme Lord has form (for

he is refered >to as Purusha - a person), and the formless nature of the

Supreme >Lord corresponds to the Brahman realization whereas there are 2 more

>realizations of the Supreme Lord as Paramatma and Bhagavan(vadanti >tat tattva

vidas tattvam yad jnanam advayam.brahmeti paramatmeti, >bhagavniti uchyathe -

Srimad bhagavatham).This has often been >explained by taking the example of the

effulgence of the sun, the >reflection of sun in the water pots on the Earth and

the deity - lord >of sun within the sun for Brahman, Paramatman and Bhagavan

>respectively. In this context, the usage of Nirguna Brahman in the >vedic

scriptures refers to the Supreme Lord not influenced by the 3 >gunas and the

Saguna Brahman refers to the Supreme Lord with a form >of sat, chit and ananda.

With this background, we can go back to the >initial verses in BPHS (verses

13-15 in chap1) inwhich it is said >that the perciptible nature of the lord has

Sri Sakti(Lakshmi), Bhoo >Sakthi(Saraswati) and Neela Sakti .I know Durga and

Radha belong to >Neela Sakthi, but don't know about Goddess Parvati. If that is

the >case (Parvati is also Neela Sakti) , then in Chottanikara temple, >they are

worshiping the energy of the Lord who is always serving the >Lord in various

ways.This is also the case with the Hare krishna Maha >mantra in which we pray

to mother Hara to engage us in the service of >Hari(Krishna).The times of

worship of these 3 saktis at 3 different >times could have implication for

jyotish. Creative faculty and those >activities that require growth such as

learning and farming are best >done in the morning, sattvic activites such as

initiation into >mantra , pujas etc are best done in the middle portion of the

day(say >noon) - and tamasic activities are best done at night/evening - say

>opening of liquor shop, sleeping etc.This raises another question, >what about

the turiya gayatri - (12:00 night).As per Gurudeva Sanjay >Rath's mail this is

ideal for spiritual practice(or is it mystic >practice).At this point , I am

getting confused. I request the Gurus >to kindly guide me and correct my

understanding if the above >statements are wrong. > >Your sisya >K.N.Sriram >

>sjvc, "Jayakrishnan Menon" wrote: >Shree Ganeshaya Namah, > >I

know this is inexplicable. In Kerala too we have a temple at >Chottanikkara for

Shree Rajarajeshwari - she is worshipped as >Mookambika (Saraswati) in the

morning, Lakshmi in the afternoon and >Shree Parvati in the evening. This

temple was established by Shree >Sankaracharya and according to legend - he

brought the devi from >Kollur. This devi is also said to a sister to

Poornathrayesa (Maha >Vishnu) in the town of Thripunithura near by. I have

asked about this >to many but have not got any satisfactory explanation. > >My

logic tells me that God is formless and we humans worship assuming >some form.

So isn't all the Gods and Godesses the same Supreme who is >formless? So I do

not ponder too much on this. Just worship your >Ishta devata and He/She would

help and guide you. > >Thanks >Jayakrishnan > > > > Chat with friends online,

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thanks a lot for such precious information and quenching my doubts. but the

thirst of knowledge is increasing exponentially day by day. since i joined this

list i read about choosing ishta devata and palan devata according to one's

chart. but my father always told me that according to Geeta "Vasudev Sarvam"

and unanimously "Krishnam vande jagatgurum" then why we should go for different

deities and change our mode of pooja/araadhya just bcoz our horo says so? If

one's ishta is hanumanji then would praying to Sri Krishna would be less

effective as praying to hanumanji or laxmiji? I am confused why only the

horoscopes' ishta would let u ahead in life? Please guide. Solai Kannan

<solai (AT) ihb (DOT) net> wrote:

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Nisha,

 

Meenakshi is a special Parvathi stationed at Madurai, middle of Tamil Nadu in

India. As you know many places we use interchangeably Krishna name to refer

Vishnu. Here also it is used in that sense.

 

In this context there is a puranic ancient story about Meenakshi and it is still

celebrated as Mega annual festival in south Tamil Nadu. It is still a family

function among thousands of families in and around Madurai.

 

The story is: Meenakshi (Parvathi) is the sister of Alagar (Vishnu), who is

residing at 20 KM away from Madurai. Meenakshi fell in love with Sokkar (Shiva)

and they decided to marry in Madurai city and sent a messenger to inform Alagar.

Alagar started his journey to attend the marriage. However, he was little bit

delayed and the muhurta fixed for the marriage has approached. As a customary,

the father or brother of the bride should officially hand over the bride to the

bridegroom. As the time was running out for muhurta, they asked Meenakshi's

uncle, Perumal (again another Vishnu expansion) to hand over. Later by hearing

this, Alagar got angry and he took bath in Vaigai river and without going the

Madurai city he roamed around and he reached his place after two months.

 

All these three deities have their own temples and the same story scenes are

repeated every year. Even now, people carry Alagar in palanquin by walk. Most

thrilling event is the Alagar taking bath in the river, which happens on the

Chitra Poornima (Full moon in Aries month). This year event has just been

finished.

 

So, in India there are so many branch Puranic stories apart from the great epics

of Ramayan and Mahabarat. One among them is this sister - brother relationship

of Vishnu and Parvathi.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

Mother's Day is May 12th!

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HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH

 

Hello Ms.Nisha,

Please allow me the liberty to answer your question to Solai

Gurudev.Unlike the material world, in the spiritual world, everybody

is an enthusiast and loving servant of the Supreme Lord ,Krishna. The

different deities(demi-gods) function as members of His executive. In

the material world, some people prefer to meet the CEO directly and

some prefer to go through the administration department to get their

work done. All decisions happen under the sanction of the CEO. The

case is the same in the spiritual world except that unlike the

material world where the subordinates always scheme to overthrow

their superiors, in the spiritual world everyone is engaged in

serving Krishna.So, even if a person prays to Shiva and he reaches

Shivaloka, after reaching there, Lord Siva becomes Dakshinamurthi and

gives knowledge of the Supreme Lord Krishna to the devotees and He

helps them to reach the Vaikuntha planets.The reason why the

horoscope points out to different ishta-devathas is because of the

different tendencies of the soul. Not everybody has the tendency to

go along the path of least distance.All fingers are not equal.Jyotish

remedies have to be given taking this into consideration.

 

Please correct my understanding if i have misrepresented.

 

Thanks

K.N.Sriram

 

 

sjvc, "Nisha M." <nishu_indiia> wrote:

>

> respected solaiji and other list members,

> thanks a lot for such precious information and quenching my doubts.

but the thirst of knowledge is increasing exponentially day by day.

since i joined this list i read about choosing ishta devata and palan

devata according to one's chart. but my father always told me that

according to Geeta "Vasudev Sarvam" and unanimously "Krishnam vande

jagatgurum" then why we should go for different deities and change

our mode of pooja/araadhya just bcoz our horo says so? If one's ishta

is hanumanji then would praying to Sri Krishna would be less

effective as praying to hanumanji or laxmiji? I am confused why only

the horoscopes' ishta would let u ahead in life? Please guide.

> Solai Kannan <solai@i...> wrote: OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAHJAYA

JAGANNATHA Namaste Nisha, Meenakshi is a special Parvathi stationed

at Madurai, middle of Tamil Nadu in India. As you know many places we

use interchangeably Krishna name to refer Vishnu. Here also it is

used in that sense. In this context there is a puranic ancient story

about Meenakshi and it is still celebrated as Mega annual festival in

south Tamil Nadu. It is still a family function among thousands of

families in and around Madurai. The story is: Meenakshi (Parvathi) is

the sister of Alagar (Vishnu), who is residing at 20 KM away from

Madurai. Meenakshi fell in love with Sokkar (Shiva) and they decided

to marry in Madurai city and sent a messenger to inform Alagar.

Alagar started his journey to attend the marriage. However, he was

little bit delayed and the muhurta fixed for the marriage has

approached. As a customary, the father or brother of the bride should

officially hand over the bride to the bridegroom. As the time was

running out for muhurta, they asked Meenakshi's uncle, Perumal (again

another Vishnu expansion) to hand over. Later by hearing this, Alagar

got angry and he took bath in Vaigai river and without going the

Madurai city he roamed around and he reached his place after two

months. All these three deities have their own temples and the same

story scenes are repeated every year. Even now, people carry Alagar

in palanquin by walk. Most thrilling event is the Alagar taking bath

in the river, which happens on the Chitra Poornima (Full moon in

Aries month). This year event has just been finished. So, in India

there are so many branch Puranic stories apart from the great epics

of Ramayan and Mahabarat. One among them is this sister - brother

relationship of Vishnu and Parvathi. ThanksSolai Kannan

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> Mother's Day is May 12th!