Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh/ VIM DASA

[Guest guest]

Dear Dasgupta ji,

 

If you have access to Narsimha Rao's VAIA, ch#16 delas exclusively with

Vim-dasa. Also, in Varahamihira archieves, Leeson#7 deals with Vim-dasa, but at

a higher level.

 

As I understand it, it a general purpose Phailta Dasa and is used for prediction

of every type, though SJVC tradition suggests that, being a Nakshatra based

Dasa, it reflects native's mental status, and his mental response to his

environments.

 

I am sure that you are aware of several variation of Vim-dasa prescribed in

BPHS, which Sanjay ji strongly suggests that we should experiment with to get a

total picture.

 

I am afraid that I am not much helpful here because, the fact remains that, I am

only a beginner & have no practicel experience in chart-analysis and application

of jyotish principles.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:50 AM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh,

 

very good logic. can you tell something on vim dasa, why it is used and where

some materials on this is available?

 

regards

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 9:08 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

Dear Dasgupta ji & list,

 

I, based on my recollection of mails on this, and Varahamihira list, would be

inclined to take the 'natural' age of planets, not the 'maturation' age.

 

As per SJVC lesson#4, these ages for VE & RA are 16 & 100, respectively.

However, in COVA these are mentioned as 25/26 & 35/36 respectively ( COVA also

mentions secondary ages as 6 & 52 for VE, 39 & 82 for SA).

 

Between SA & VE, VE is more likely to break the KSY. My reasoning is:

VE is at the head of the Sarpa, conj, RA, which controls the KSY. VE is stronger

because it recieves rasi drishti from both JU & ME, and is a Kevala-yogada (or

is it maha-yogada too, as it lords 7th from lagna??). Most important - IMHO -

natural age of VE comes before SA, hence it would have broken the Yoga before

SA gets its turn.

However, for Sarbani, SA vim dasa comes before VE & CP Narayana Dasa comes

before CN. This last fact may have some bearing, which I cannot figure-out.

 

Again, this is as per my thinking - I hope if there are errors, Guru's will correct me.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 4:10 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh and other list members,

 

in sarbani's case - who will break the yoga? venus or saturn?

 

see that sat is in close conjunction with ketu-but retro. i.e moving away from

ketu. does it have any effect? saturn is slower that ketu. so ketu will come

and conjunct with sat - so ketu desire to take saturn also in its grip while

saturn desires to move away. while venus is not in close conjunction with rahu

but in the same house just few dgrees away. venus is moving towards rahu-may be

with intention to break the yoga. or whether retro or not, it is the conjuction

that matters.

 

though very far stretched imagination but this funny logic strikes me at this moment.

 

while venus matures at 25 years, saturn matures at 36 years. from various mails

of sarbani it seems that her KSY might have just broken. in that case it would

be due to saturn.

 

another doubt, is it necessary that the planet breaking the yoga should be

outside the rahu-ketu axis?

 

reagrds

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:59 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani,

 

The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes -

natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

dear sarbaniji,

 

sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office.

 

yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it

is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one

beautifull mail from visti,

 

quote==========

Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames.

Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught

inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for

help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no

relief.

 

Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather

laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural

Malefics)

 

But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural

Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it

also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga)

 

The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different,

as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts

and becomes liquid that quelches the flames.

unquote================

 

so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is

your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how

and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help.

 

but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2

planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in

the list shall please clear this doubt.

 

regards,

 

dasgupta

 

[Guest guest]

dear shailesh,

 

i see that lesson#7 in varahamihira archieve deals with "sayanadi avastha" of

planets. by any chance, do you mean vimsottory dasa by vim-dasa?

 

regards

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:29 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh/ VIM DASA

Dear Dasgupta ji,

 

If you have access to Narsimha Rao's VAIA, ch#16 delas exclusively with

Vim-dasa. Also, in Varahamihira archieves, Leeson#7 deals with Vim-dasa, but at

a higher level.

 

As I understand it, it a general purpose Phailta Dasa and is used for prediction

of every type, though SJVC tradition suggests that, being a Nakshatra based

Dasa, it reflects native's mental status, and his mental response to his

environments.

 

I am sure that you are aware of several variation of Vim-dasa prescribed in

BPHS, which Sanjay ji strongly suggests that we should experiment with to get a

total picture.

 

I am afraid that I am not much helpful here because, the fact remains that, I am

only a beginner & have no practicel experience in chart-analysis and application

of jyotish principles.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:50 AM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh,

 

very good logic. can you tell something on vim dasa, why it is used and where

some materials on this is available?

 

regards

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 9:08 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

Dear Dasgupta ji & list,

 

I, based on my recollection of mails on this, and Varahamihira list, would be

inclined to take the 'natural' age of planets, not the 'maturation' age.

 

As per SJVC lesson#4, these ages for VE & RA are 16 & 100, respectively.

However, in COVA these are mentioned as 25/26 & 35/36 respectively ( COVA also

mentions secondary ages as 6 & 52 for VE, 39 & 82 for SA).

 

Between SA & VE, VE is more likely to break the KSY. My reasoning is:

VE is at the head of the Sarpa, conj, RA, which controls the KSY. VE is stronger

because it recieves rasi drishti from both JU & ME, and is a Kevala-yogada (or

is it maha-yogada too, as it lords 7th from lagna??). Most important - IMHO -

natural age of VE comes before SA, hence it would have broken the Yoga before

SA gets its turn.

However, for Sarbani, SA vim dasa comes before VE & CP Narayana Dasa comes

before CN. This last fact may have some bearing, which I cannot figure-out.

 

Again, this is as per my thinking - I hope if there are errors, Guru's will correct me.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 4:10 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh and other list members,

 

in sarbani's case - who will break the yoga? venus or saturn?

 

see that sat is in close conjunction with ketu-but retro. i.e moving away from

ketu. does it have any effect? saturn is slower that ketu. so ketu will come

and conjunct with sat - so ketu desire to take saturn also in its grip while

saturn desires to move away. while venus is not in close conjunction with rahu

but in the same house just few dgrees away. venus is moving towards rahu-may be

with intention to break the yoga. or whether retro or not, it is the conjuction

that matters.

 

though very far stretched imagination but this funny logic strikes me at this moment.

 

while venus matures at 25 years, saturn matures at 36 years. from various mails

of sarbani it seems that her KSY might have just broken. in that case it would

be due to saturn.

 

another doubt, is it necessary that the planet breaking the yoga should be

outside the rahu-ketu axis?

 

reagrds

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:59 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani,

 

The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes -

natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

dear sarbaniji,

 

sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office.

 

yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it

is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one

beautifull mail from visti,

 

quote==========

Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames.

Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught

inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for

help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no

relief.

 

Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather

laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural

Malefics)

 

But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural

Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it

also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga)

 

The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different,

as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts

and becomes liquid that quelches the flames.

unquote================

 

so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is

your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how

and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help.

 

but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2

planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in

the list shall please clear this doubt.

 

regards,

 

dasgupta

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of is subject to the

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Dear Dsagupta ji,

 

Sorry for the typo, I mean Ch 8.

 

And yes, I mean Vimshottari Dasa. I hope that is what you wanted.

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:27 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh/ VIM DASA

dear shailesh,

 

i see that lesson#7 in varahamihira archieve deals with "sayanadi avastha" of

planets. by any chance, do you mean vimsottory dasa by vim-dasa?

 

regards

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:29 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh/ VIM DASA

Dear Dasgupta ji,

 

If you have access to Narsimha Rao's VAIA, ch#16 delas exclusively with

Vim-dasa. Also, in Varahamihira archieves, Leeson#7 deals with Vim-dasa, but at

a higher level.

 

As I understand it, it a general purpose Phailta Dasa and is used for prediction

of every type, though SJVC tradition suggests that, being a Nakshatra based

Dasa, it reflects native's mental status, and his mental response to his

environments.

 

I am sure that you are aware of several variation of Vim-dasa prescribed in

BPHS, which Sanjay ji strongly suggests that we should experiment with to get a

total picture.

 

I am afraid that I am not much helpful here because, the fact remains that, I am

only a beginner & have no practicel experience in chart-analysis and application

of jyotish principles.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:50 AM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh,

 

very good logic. can you tell something on vim dasa, why it is used and where

some materials on this is available?

 

regards

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 9:08 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

Dear Dasgupta ji & list,

 

I, based on my recollection of mails on this, and Varahamihira list, would be

inclined to take the 'natural' age of planets, not the 'maturation' age.

 

As per SJVC lesson#4, these ages for VE & RA are 16 & 100, respectively.

However, in COVA these are mentioned as 25/26 & 35/36 respectively ( COVA also

mentions secondary ages as 6 & 52 for VE, 39 & 82 for SA).

 

Between SA & VE, VE is more likely to break the KSY. My reasoning is:

VE is at the head of the Sarpa, conj, RA, which controls the KSY. VE is stronger

because it recieves rasi drishti from both JU & ME, and is a Kevala-yogada (or

is it maha-yogada too, as it lords 7th from lagna??). Most important - IMHO -

natural age of VE comes before SA, hence it would have broken the Yoga before

SA gets its turn.

However, for Sarbani, SA vim dasa comes before VE & CP Narayana Dasa comes

before CN. This last fact may have some bearing, which I cannot figure-out.

 

Again, this is as per my thinking - I hope if there are errors, Guru's will correct me.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 4:10 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh and other list members,

 

in sarbani's case - who will break the yoga? venus or saturn?

 

see that sat is in close conjunction with ketu-but retro. i.e moving away from

ketu. does it have any effect? saturn is slower that ketu. so ketu will come

and conjunct with sat - so ketu desire to take saturn also in its grip while

saturn desires to move away. while venus is not in close conjunction with rahu

but in the same house just few dgrees away. venus is moving towards rahu-may be

with intention to break the yoga. or whether retro or not, it is the conjuction

that matters.

 

though very far stretched imagination but this funny logic strikes me at this moment.

 

while venus matures at 25 years, saturn matures at 36 years. from various mails

of sarbani it seems that her KSY might have just broken. in that case it would

be due to saturn.

 

another doubt, is it necessary that the planet breaking the yoga should be

outside the rahu-ketu axis?

 

reagrds

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:59 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani,

 

The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes -

natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

dear sarbaniji,

 

sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office.

 

yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it

is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one

beautifull mail from visti,

 

quote==========

Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames.

Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught

inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for

help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no

relief.

 

Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather

laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural

Malefics)

 

But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural

Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it

also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga)

 

The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different,

as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts

and becomes liquid that quelches the flames.

unquote================

 

so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is

your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how

and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help.

 

but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2

planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in

the list shall please clear this doubt.

 

regards,

 

dasgupta

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dear shailesh,

 

i thought vim-dasa was something else. sorry for giving you so much trouble.

 

thanks and regards,

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:30 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh/ VIM DASA

Dear Dsagupta ji,

 

Sorry for the typo, I mean Ch 8.

 

And yes, I mean Vimshottari Dasa. I hope that is what you wanted.

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:27 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh/ VIM DASA

dear shailesh,

 

i see that lesson#7 in varahamihira archieve deals with "sayanadi avastha" of

planets. by any chance, do you mean vimsottory dasa by vim-dasa?

 

regards

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:29 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh/ VIM DASA

Dear Dasgupta ji,

 

If you have access to Narsimha Rao's VAIA, ch#16 delas exclusively with

Vim-dasa. Also, in Varahamihira archieves, Leeson#7 deals with Vim-dasa, but at

a higher level.

 

As I understand it, it a general purpose Phailta Dasa and is used for prediction

of every type, though SJVC tradition suggests that, being a Nakshatra based

Dasa, it reflects native's mental status, and his mental response to his

environments.

 

I am sure that you are aware of several variation of Vim-dasa prescribed in

BPHS, which Sanjay ji strongly suggests that we should experiment with to get a

total picture.

 

I am afraid that I am not much helpful here because, the fact remains that, I am

only a beginner & have no practicel experience in chart-analysis and application

of jyotish principles.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:50 AM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh,

 

very good logic. can you tell something on vim dasa, why it is used and where

some materials on this is available?

 

regards

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 9:08 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

Dear Dasgupta ji & list,

 

I, based on my recollection of mails on this, and Varahamihira list, would be

inclined to take the 'natural' age of planets, not the 'maturation' age.

 

As per SJVC lesson#4, these ages for VE & RA are 16 & 100, respectively.

However, in COVA these are mentioned as 25/26 & 35/36 respectively ( COVA also

mentions secondary ages as 6 & 52 for VE, 39 & 82 for SA).

 

Between SA & VE, VE is more likely to break the KSY. My reasoning is:

VE is at the head of the Sarpa, conj, RA, which controls the KSY. VE is stronger

because it recieves rasi drishti from both JU & ME, and is a Kevala-yogada (or

is it maha-yogada too, as it lords 7th from lagna??). Most important - IMHO -

natural age of VE comes before SA, hence it would have broken the Yoga before

SA gets its turn.

However, for Sarbani, SA vim dasa comes before VE & CP Narayana Dasa comes

before CN. This last fact may have some bearing, which I cannot figure-out.

 

Again, this is as per my thinking - I hope if there are errors, Guru's will correct me.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 4:10 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh

dear shailesh and other list members,

 

in sarbani's case - who will break the yoga? venus or saturn?

 

see that sat is in close conjunction with ketu-but retro. i.e moving away from

ketu. does it have any effect? saturn is slower that ketu. so ketu will come

and conjunct with sat - so ketu desire to take saturn also in its grip while

saturn desires to move away. while venus is not in close conjunction with rahu

but in the same house just few dgrees away. venus is moving towards rahu-may be

with intention to break the yoga. or whether retro or not, it is the conjuction

that matters.

 

though very far stretched imagination but this funny logic strikes me at this moment.

 

while venus matures at 25 years, saturn matures at 36 years. from various mails

of sarbani it seems that her KSY might have just broken. in that case it would

be due to saturn.

 

another doubt, is it necessary that the planet breaking the yoga should be

outside the rahu-ketu axis?

 

reagrds

 

dasgupta

-

Shailesh

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:59 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani,

 

The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes -

natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC.

 

Best wishes,

 

Shailesh

-

j.k. dasgupta

sjvc

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM

Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra -

dear sarbaniji,

 

sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office.

 

yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it

is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one

beautifull mail from visti,

 

quote==========

Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames.

Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught

inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for

help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no

relief.

 

Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather

laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural

Malefics)

 

But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural

Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it

also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga)

 

The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different,

as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts

and becomes liquid that quelches the flames.

unquote================

 

so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is

your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how

and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help.

 

but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2

planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in

the list shall please clear this doubt.

 

regards,

 

dasgupta

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