Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 dear shailesh and other list members, in sarbani's case - who will break the yoga? venus or saturn? see that sat is in close conjunction with ketu-but retro. i.e moving away from ketu. does it have any effect? saturn is slower that ketu. so ketu will come and conjunct with sat - so ketu desire to take saturn also in its grip while saturn desires to move away. while venus is not in close conjunction with rahu but in the same house just few dgrees away. venus is moving towards rahu-may be with intention to break the yoga. or whether retro or not, it is the conjuction that matters. though very far stretched imagination but this funny logic strikes me at this moment. while venus matures at 25 years, saturn matures at 36 years. from various mails of sarbani it seems that her KSY might have just broken. in that case it would be due to saturn. another doubt, is it necessary that the planet breaking the yoga should be outside the rahu-ketu axis? reagrds dasgupta - Shailesh sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:59 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani, The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes - natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC. Best wishes, Shailesh - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - dear sarbaniji, sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office. yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one beautifull mail from visti, quote========== Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames. Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no relief. Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural Malefics) But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga) The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different, as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts and becomes liquid that quelches the flames. unquote================ so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help. but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2 planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in the list shall please clear this doubt. regards, dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:41 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dasguptaji,Please correct me, but I think I remember reading on this list that ifthere are planets associated with the nodes, the KSY gets broken.Perhaps Venus performs that function in my chart, but I am not quitesure.Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printable Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Dear Dasgupta ji & list, I, based on my recollection of mails on this, and Varahamihira list, would be inclined to take the 'natural' age of planets, not the 'maturation' age. As per SJVC lesson#4, these ages for VE & RA are 16 & 100, respectively. However, in COVA these are mentioned as 25/26 & 35/36 respectively ( COVA also mentions secondary ages as 6 & 52 for VE, 39 & 82 for SA). Between SA & VE, VE is more likely to break the KSY. My reasoning is: VE is at the head of the Sarpa, conj, RA, which controls the KSY. VE is stronger because it recieves rasi drishti from both JU & ME, and is a Kevala-yogada (or is it maha-yogada too, as it lords 7th from lagna??). Most important - IMHO - natural age of VE comes before SA, hence it would have broken the Yoga before SA gets its turn. However, for Sarbani, SA vim dasa comes before VE & CP Narayana Dasa comes before CN. This last fact may have some bearing, which I cannot figure-out. Again, this is as per my thinking - I hope if there are errors, Guru's will correct me. Best wishes, Shailesh - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 4:10 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh dear shailesh and other list members, in sarbani's case - who will break the yoga? venus or saturn? see that sat is in close conjunction with ketu-but retro. i.e moving away from ketu. does it have any effect? saturn is slower that ketu. so ketu will come and conjunct with sat - so ketu desire to take saturn also in its grip while saturn desires to move away. while venus is not in close conjunction with rahu but in the same house just few dgrees away. venus is moving towards rahu-may be with intention to break the yoga. or whether retro or not, it is the conjuction that matters. though very far stretched imagination but this funny logic strikes me at this moment. while venus matures at 25 years, saturn matures at 36 years. from various mails of sarbani it seems that her KSY might have just broken. in that case it would be due to saturn. another doubt, is it necessary that the planet breaking the yoga should be outside the rahu-ketu axis? reagrds dasgupta - Shailesh sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:59 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani, The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes - natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC. Best wishes, Shailesh - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - dear sarbaniji, sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office. yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one beautifull mail from visti, quote========== Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames. Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no relief. Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural Malefics) But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga) The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different, as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts and becomes liquid that quelches the flames. unquote================ so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help. but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2 planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in the list shall please clear this doubt. regards, dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:41 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dasguptaji,Please correct me, but I think I remember reading on this list that ifthere are planets associated with the nodes, the KSY gets broken.Perhaps Venus performs that function in my chart, but I am not quitesure.Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printable Terms of Service. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 dear shailesh, very good logic. can you tell something on vim dasa, why it is used and where some materials on this is available? regards dasgupta - Shailesh sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 9:08 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh Dear Dasgupta ji & list, I, based on my recollection of mails on this, and Varahamihira list, would be inclined to take the 'natural' age of planets, not the 'maturation' age. As per SJVC lesson#4, these ages for VE & RA are 16 & 100, respectively. However, in COVA these are mentioned as 25/26 & 35/36 respectively ( COVA also mentions secondary ages as 6 & 52 for VE, 39 & 82 for SA). Between SA & VE, VE is more likely to break the KSY. My reasoning is: VE is at the head of the Sarpa, conj, RA, which controls the KSY. VE is stronger because it recieves rasi drishti from both JU & ME, and is a Kevala-yogada (or is it maha-yogada too, as it lords 7th from lagna??). Most important - IMHO - natural age of VE comes before SA, hence it would have broken the Yoga before SA gets its turn. However, for Sarbani, SA vim dasa comes before VE & CP Narayana Dasa comes before CN. This last fact may have some bearing, which I cannot figure-out. Again, this is as per my thinking - I hope if there are errors, Guru's will correct me. Best wishes, Shailesh - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 4:10 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - shailesh dear shailesh and other list members, in sarbani's case - who will break the yoga? venus or saturn? see that sat is in close conjunction with ketu-but retro. i.e moving away from ketu. does it have any effect? saturn is slower that ketu. so ketu will come and conjunct with sat - so ketu desire to take saturn also in its grip while saturn desires to move away. while venus is not in close conjunction with rahu but in the same house just few dgrees away. venus is moving towards rahu-may be with intention to break the yoga. or whether retro or not, it is the conjuction that matters. though very far stretched imagination but this funny logic strikes me at this moment. while venus matures at 25 years, saturn matures at 36 years. from various mails of sarbani it seems that her KSY might have just broken. in that case it would be due to saturn. another doubt, is it necessary that the planet breaking the yoga should be outside the rahu-ketu axis? reagrds dasgupta - Shailesh sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:59 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani, The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes - natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC. Best wishes, Shailesh - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - dear sarbaniji, sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office. yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one beautifull mail from visti, quote========== Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames. Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no relief. Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural Malefics) But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga) The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different, as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts and becomes liquid that quelches the flames. unquote================ so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help. but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2 planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in the list shall please clear this doubt. regards, dasgupta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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