Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear Sarabani, I am delighted to see such intelligent and enlightened students at SJVC. This is the great blessing of Sri Rama in my life that i shall have the best students without bothering to advertise! (Mantrapada with the Guru -Mangala dharma karmadhipati Yoga). You are right about Narasimha & Visti. they have surrendered to the teaching and hence they soaked in all the knowledge like a dry sponge drinking the Ganga jala. You seem more thirsty than any student I have met so far in that your desire is for the highest flame of Jyotish and will not compromise in this. Good. Since you have taken some steps, I am onliged to walk along....do read my views under yours. > Dear Sanjayji, > > Thank you for taking the time and commenting on the post and giving your > guidance. I have noted all that you have directed and will try to learn > further and follow those leads. Specifically, I would be very interested > to learn about the correlation of the dasamahavidyas with the navagrahas > and the vimshottari dasha system. Rath: Not getting into the philosophy as yet, the thumb rule to use Shakti mantra is that the planet dasa/Vimsottari dasa should be causing great pain and suffering. Pain and suffering are related to the consciousness of the mind and hence hot/cold and all such relative terms come into being at this level. It is at this point that we remember the Mother. All babies cry for the Mother when they suffer. To alleviate the suffering, the Mother takes various forms of which the most potent are the Dasa mahavidya. For example if a person is having Sun (Antardasa - note Not dasa) and is suffering, then we advise the use of the Matangi Mantra and worship of Matangi as She is the Mother of the Sun. Sun - Matangi Moon - Bhubaneswari Mars - Bagalamukhi Mercury - Tripurasundari Jupiter - Ugratara Venus - Kamalatmika Saturn - Mahakali Rahu - Chinnamasta Ketu - Dhoomavati Lagna - Bhairavi Whereas the Shakti of the Grahas are worshipped at the begining of the antardasa to remove blemish and for protection during the antardasa, the Shakti os Lagna i.e. Bhairavi is worshipped at all times for ensuring that the path is right. Again, bhairavi does not have an independant existance and blends with the Shakti of the Lagna lord. Just as there cannot be antardasa without a dasa, Kali cannot come into being without Shiva (your explanation was good, what I wanted to see was the Jyotish correlation). Thus the Dasa themselves represnt the different forms of Shiva. Remember my basic foundationof the tripod of life - [Paradigm-1] Sun, Moon & Lagna or [Paradigm-2] Atmakaraka, Arudha Lagna & Lagna Thakurs Tapasya has a lot to teach us. Correlate his life events with the dasa and the effect of poojas he performed. This will help you to learn more. The more you study the life of Thakur (Rama Krishna Pramhamsa) the better you will understand the dasa mahavidya. In tantra, you can compel a graha to give good results. What are the implications of this keeping in view that Graha represent people coming into one's life. This is a part of jyotish which > fascinates me and I would like to delve into this direction. I was > totally unaware of the correlation between the planets and the gods till > I joined the sjvc/va circuit and when I read Visti and Narasimha hold > forth on these topics at length. The fact that planets can indicate > ishta devatas, was a novel concept for me and I have just bought your > VRIA, though of course have not read it yet. I got the hint about the > Shodasi and the moon link from one of Swami Pragyanananda's (RKM) books. Rath: The learned Swami ji - excellent. You must bear in mind that these references are more allegorical than scientific reality. they are meant to stress a point and are not to be taken literally. be careful in what you absorb and the point stressed by him would mean that that the strength of phases of Tripura are based on the kala's of the Moon. > And it kind of clicked on me. Maybe both the akshara and the moon > linkages are true. I will do some home work on it and let you know. Rath: Fine I will look forward to this. Can > the dasamahavidyas be linked to the dasavatars be linked to the > navagrahas be linked to the kalas of the moon? Rath: Leave the kalas of Moon alone till you are in a position to discuss the Chandra kala nadi. There is a definite link between the Das Avatar, Das mahavidya, Ekadasa Rudra, Dwadas aditya, etc. I am unaware of any specific link to the Chandra kala. Krishna ashtami, Ram > navami, Narayan as amavasya, the nirguna consciousness and Lakshmi as > the full moon? So will both the dasamahavidya and dasavatars teach us > about the evolution of the soul (Thank you Dasguptaji) and we can map it > on the planets and as they appear on our respective horoscopes, thereby > teaching us our own evolution in our karmic path on the way to moksha? > At another level will this divine correlation of the planets tell us > more about the nature of the Divine. Rath: Yes. There is a great depth to the concept of the path, knowledge and goal. start with the path. Look for the various linkages to the 12th from karakamsa (aspects also count here as these are paths). These are the paths that can take us to the Ista devata. In the bhagavatam, this becomes clearer as the forms and their fruits are clearly stated. Vishnu (avatar) are the granters of Moksha, Shiva gives the knowledge and so on. Some years back I had to read the > Caraka Samhita for a paper I was writing on medicinal plants and there I > came across the linkage of how the human body was a microcosm of the > earth and the cosmic elements. Now I found the missing part: how the > human being is a microcosm of the cosmos, nay Kalpurusha himself. Rath: Good. SJVC has proved to be the best forum for learning. To > your question about the path and the goal, for me moksha is the goal but > followed in the correct path. By correct I mean that which is true for > me. I can write at length to Dasguptaji about Chhinnamasta (and she is > very crucial for our understanding of Brahmagyan), but I can never pray > to her. I have never prayed to Kali (only occasionally during visits to > peethasthans). Rath: Why can you not pray to Chinnamasta or to kali? What prevents you from accepting the truth that this world is not a bed of roses. What tells you that by closig your eyes, the truth that some women become prostitutes and others become impure by hurting their spouses/guru's will change? Kali's tongue is red from the blood oozing out as she bit it when she unwittingly stepped on Maheswara and to say that this is the pose She will prefer to be in, amounts to distorting the truth. We all make mistakes and Kali represnts those mistalkes we have made that are as terrible as stepping on the chest of Shiva. That is the real truth behind the particular pose that kali occupies and in remember Her in that form, we should realise that we deserve to be punished like those beheaded ones adorning Her garland. In her mercy, She shall help us to get over these sins represented by saturn and rise. This is the correct attitude (you will agree that the right attitude is very vital in this worship). As regards Chinnamasta, tell me one person in this world who at some point of time has not lost his/her head on some foolish matter. This is the meaning of Chinnamasta and we atone for it when we lose our Ahamkara (symbolised by the head). Thus, there is a DEEP SATWIK, RAJASIK OR TAMASIK ATTITUDE that can be attached to each worship of the Mother. What matters is the attitude of the Guru and how he teaches these subjects. If the worship is right then like a lotus it shall help us to spring out of the quagmire of the filth of past karma. You are too intelligent for anyone to give you stories.So read and keep reading. Remember you Ista mantra and keep reading and then the knowledge will be yours, pure and clear and Satwik right through. Just a last point to help clear all doubts - Kali Krishna swaroopa..the worship of Kali in Her satwik manners/attitude will surely give you Krishna consciousness very quickly. For example Kali refers to any lady who has been wronged and called Kalankini even when She is attached to Krishna. One such fine Satwik example is Radhika or Radha. Radha is a perfect example of Kali. She suffered atrocities, anger and what not all, but struck to the right goal. Hence those who shall worship Radha automaticalle end up worshipping Kali. another example is Meera bai. But I have always been taught to pray to the devi who is > 'sarva mangala', who is saumya never rudra. This is a bit difficult for > me to write as I am speaking of something very personal in a public > space. Yes, I pray to her as the Bhavani you speak of Sanjayji: na > janaami daanang na cha dhyanayogang, na janaami tantrang na cha > stotramantram, na janaami pujang na cha nyasayogang, gatisvam gatisvam > tvameka bhavani. This is what she means to me. I pray to her as > Bhabatarini, Karunamayee, Mangalmayee, Brahmamayee. As mother. I have > been taught to abnegate myself at her lotus feet and that She will take > care of everything. That is what the Devi means to us. The Kali songs of > Bengal are songs of extreme bhakti and love, capable of bringing tears > to one's eyes. So this is the rup that we have before us. I think > Dasguptaji can vouch for it. She is Siddhidhatri, Jagadishwari, > Jagganmata. In my thoughts and consciousness, this is how she appears, > this is how she has been handed down through generations of a living > tradition. Similarly with Shiv, my ishta devata (I discovered a week ago > he is so astrologically too, 12th from karakamsha etc.! Quite amazing). Rath: Imagine the difference now that you have the knowledge that Ista is very clear in any chart...What is the specific form of Shiva in your chart? > I have been taught that he is sat-cit-ananda and that I should remind > myself over and over again 'chidanandarupam shivohang shivoham'. Rath:..Yes, the great Viveka.. As you > rightly say, 'nityaya, shuddhaya', and may I add 'shaswatam', > 'shantam', 'nirakaram'. 'Namaste, namaste vibho vishwamurte, namaste > namaste chidanandamurte, namaste namaste tapoyogyagamya, namaste namaste > shrutigyanagamya' - this is the way I perceive him, pray to him, as he > appears before me. It's interesting how shiva tandava stotra never > formed a part of my cosmos. Its only now that I foray into all this much > more, that I have learnt of Ravana's great stuti. Its not prachalita in > Bengal. It may also be that my father's father was a follower of > Chaitnaya Mahaprabhu and a ghor Vaishnav (my father's family hails from > Nadia) and such influences have seeped into me, though I have never met > him. How does one fit all this into the complete picture? Rath: Start with the Dwadasamsa, then move to the Vimsamsa along with the Rasi & Navamsa fixed in your mind. The picture will become even clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Dear Sanjayji, This is another very rare gift and I am indeed very honoured to receive this from you. Thank you ever so much. I am very fortunate and obviously Saturn's current transit through my janma nakshatra is suiting me well, and through this others in the list shall also benefit. I want to mull over what you have written here before I reply, so I will get back to you on this mail in another day or two. I hope you do not mind. Sarbani Sanjay Rath wrote: Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear Sarabani, I am delighted to see such intelligent and enlightened students at SJVC. This is the great blessing of Sri Rama in my life that i shall have the best students without bothering to advertise! (Mantrapada with the Guru -Mangala dharma karmadhipati Yoga). You are right about Narasimha & Visti. they have surrendered to the teaching and hence they soaked in all the knowledge like a dry sponge drinking the Ganga jala. You seem more thirsty than any student I have met so far in that your desire is for the highest flame of Jyotish and will not compromise in this. Good. Since you have taken some steps, I am onliged to walk along....do read my views under yours. > Dear Sanjayji, > > Thank you for taking the time and commenting on the post and giving your > guidance. I have noted all that you have directed and will try to learn > further and follow those leads. Specifically, I would be very interested > to learn about the correlation of the dasamahavidyas with the navagrahas > and the vimshottari dasha system. Rath: Not getting into the philosophy as yet, the thumb rule to use Shakti mantra is that the planet dasa/Vimsottari dasa should be causing great pain and suffering. Pain and suffering are related to the consciousness of the mind and hence hot/cold and all such relative terms come into being at this level. It is at this point that we remember the Mother. All babies cry for the Mother when they suffer. To alleviate the suffering, the Mother takes various forms of which the most potent are the Dasa mahavidya. For example if a person is having Sun (Antardasa - note Not dasa) and is suffering, then we advise the use of the Matangi Mantra and worship of Matangi as She is the Mother of the Sun. Sun - Matangi Moon - Bhubaneswari Mars - Bagalamukhi Mercury - Tripurasundari Jupiter - Ugratara Venus - Kamalatmika Saturn - Mahakali Rahu - Chinnamasta Ketu - Dhoomavati Lagna - Bhairavi Whereas the Shakti of the Grahas are worshipped at the begining of the antardasa to remove blemish and for protection during the antardasa, the Shakti os Lagna i.e. Bhairavi is worshipped at all times for ensuring that the path is right. Again, bhairavi does not have an independant existance and blends with the Shakti of the Lagna lord. Just as there cannot be antardasa without a dasa, Kali cannot come into being without Shiva (your explanation was good, what I wanted to see was the Jyotish correlation). Thus the Dasa themselves represnt the different forms of Shiva. Remember my basic foundationof the tripod of life - [Paradigm-1] Sun, Moon & Lagna or [Paradigm-2] Atmakaraka, Arudha Lagna & Lagna Thakurs Tapasya has a lot to teach us. Correlate his life events with the dasa and the effect of poojas he performed. This will help you to learn more. The more you study the life of Thakur (Rama Krishna Pramhamsa) the better you will understand the dasa mahavidya. In tantra, you can compel a graha to give good results. What are the implications of this keeping in view that Graha represent people coming into one's life. This is a part of jyotish which > fascinates me and I would like to delve into this direction. I was > totally unaware of the correlation between the planets and the gods till > I joined the sjvc/va circuit and when I read Visti and Narasimha hold > forth on these topics at length. The fact that planets can indicate > ishta devatas, was a novel concept for me and I have just bought your > VRIA, though of course have not read it yet. I got the hint about the > Shodasi and the moon link from one of Swami Pragyanananda's (RKM) books. Rath: The learned Swami ji - excellent. You must bear in mind that these references are more allegorical than scientific reality. they are meant to stress a point and are not to be taken literally. be careful in what you absorb and the point stressed by him would mean that that the strength of phases of Tripura are based on the kala's of the Moon. > And it kind of clicked on me. Maybe both the akshara and the moon > linkages are true. I will do some home work on it and let you know. Rath: Fine I will look forward to this. Can > the dasamahavidyas be linked to the dasavatars be linked to the > navagrahas be linked to the kalas of the moon? Rath: Leave the kalas of Moon alone till you are in a position to discuss the Chandra kala nadi. There is a definite link between the Das Avatar, Das mahavidya, Ekadasa Rudra, Dwadas aditya, etc. I am unaware of any specific link to the Chandra kala. Krishna ashtami, Ram > navami, Narayan as amavasya, the nirguna consciousness and Lakshmi as > the full moon? So will both the dasamahavidya and dasavatars teach us > about the evolution of the soul (Thank you Dasguptaji) and we can map it > on the planets and as they appear on our respective horoscopes, thereby > teaching us our own evolution in our karmic path on the way to moksha? > At another level will this divine correlation of the planets tell us > more about the nature of the Divine. Rath: Yes. There is a great depth to the concept of the path, knowledge and goal. start with the path. Look for the various linkages to the 12th from karakamsa (aspects also count here as these are paths). These are the paths that can take us to the Ista devata. In the bhagavatam, this becomes clearer as the forms and their fruits are clearly stated. Vishnu (avatar) are the granters of Moksha, Shiva gives the knowledge and so on. Some years back I had to read the > Caraka Samhita for a paper I was writing on medicinal plants and there I > came across the linkage of how the human body was a microcosm of the > earth and the cosmic elements. Now I found the missing part: how the > human being is a microcosm of the cosmos, nay Kalpurusha himself. Rath: Good. SJVC has proved to be the best forum for learning. To > your question about the path and the goal, for me moksha is the goal but > followed in the correct path. By correct I mean that which is true for > me. I can write at length to Dasguptaji about Chhinnamasta (and she is > very crucial for our understanding of Brahmagyan), but I can never pray > to her. I have never prayed to Kali (only occasionally during visits to > peethasthans). Rath: Why can you not pray to Chinnamasta or to kali? What prevents you from accepting the truth that this world is not a bed of roses. What tells you that by closig your eyes, the truth that some women become prostitutes and others become impure by hurting their spouses/guru's will change? Kali's tongue is red from the blood oozing out as she bit it when she unwittingly stepped on Maheswara and to say that this is the pose She will prefer to be in, amounts to distorting the truth. We all make mistakes and Kali represnts those mistalkes we have made that are as terrible as stepping on the chest of Shiva. That is the real truth behind the particular pose that kali occupies and in remember Her in that form, we should realise that we deserve to be punished like those beheaded ones adorning Her garland. In her mercy, She shall help us to get over these sins represented by saturn and rise. This is the correct attitude (you will agree that the right attitude is very vital in this worship). As regards Chinnamasta, tell me one person in this world who at some point of time has not lost his/her head on some foolish matter. This is the meaning of Chinnamasta and we atone for it when we lose our Ahamkara (symbolised by the head). Thus, there is a DEEP SATWIK, RAJASIK OR TAMASIK ATTITUDE that can be attached to each worship of the Mother. What matters is the attitude of the Guru and how he teaches these subjects. If the worship is right then like a lotus it shall help us to spring out of the quagmire of the filth of past karma. You are too intelligent for anyone to give you stories.So read and keep reading. Remember you Ista mantra and keep reading and then the knowledge will be yours, pure and clear and Satwik right through. Just a last point to help clear all doubts - Kali Krishna swaroopa..the worship of Kali in Her satwik manners/attitude will surely give you Krishna consciousness very quickly. For example Kali refers to any lady who has been wronged and called Kalankini even when She is attached to Krishna. One such fine Satwik example is Radhika or Radha. Radha is a perfect example of Kali. She suffered atrocities, anger and what not all, but struck to the right goal. Hence those who shall worship Radha automaticalle end up worshipping Kali. another example is Meera bai. But I have always been taught to pray to the devi who is > 'sarva mangala', who is saumya never rudra. This is a bit difficult for > me to write as I am speaking of something very personal in a public > space. Yes, I pray to her as the Bhavani you speak of Sanjayji: na > janaami daanang na cha dhyanayogang, na janaami tantrang na cha > stotramantram, na janaami pujang na cha nyasayogang, gatisvam gatisvam > tvameka bhavani. This is what she means to me. I pray to her as > Bhabatarini, Karunamayee, Mangalmayee, Brahmamayee. As mother. I have > been taught to abnegate myself at her lotus feet and that She will take > care of everything. That is what the Devi means to us. The Kali songs of > Bengal are songs of extreme bhakti and love, capable of bringing tears > to one's eyes. So this is the rup that we have before us. I think > Dasguptaji can vouch for it. She is Siddhidhatri, Jagadishwari, > Jagganmata. In my thoughts and consciousness, this is how she appears, > this is how she has been handed down through generations of a living > tradition. Similarly with Shiv, my ishta devata (I discovered a week ago > he is so astrologically too, 12th from karakamsha etc.! Quite amazing). Rath: Imagine the difference now that you have the knowledge that Ista is very clear in any chart...What is the specific form of Shiva in your chart? > I have been taught that he is sat-cit-ananda and that I should remind > myself over and over again 'chidanandarupam shivohang shivoham'. Rath:..Yes, the great Viveka.. As you > rightly say, 'nityaya, shuddhaya', and may I add 'shaswatam', > 'shantam', 'nirakaram'. 'Namaste, namaste vibho vishwamurte, namaste > namaste chidanandamurte, namaste namaste tapoyogyagamya, namaste namaste > shrutigyanagamya' - this is the way I perceive him, pray to him, as he > appears before me. It's interesting how shiva tandava stotra never > formed a part of my cosmos. Its only now that I foray into all this much > more, that I have learnt of Ravana's great stuti. Its not prachalita in > Bengal. It may also be that my father's father was a follower of > Chaitnaya Mahaprabhu and a ghor Vaishnav (my father's family hails from > Nadia) and such influences have seeped into me, though I have never met > him. How does one fit all this into the complete picture? Rath: Start with the Dwadasamsa, then move to the Vimsamsa along with the Rasi & Navamsa fixed in your mind. The picture will become even clearer. Terms of Service. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dear Sanjayji, This is a direct lesson in jyotisha which I am extremely privileged to receive from you and I am glad that it will benefit everyone in the list too. I have noted all that you have said, from the two paradigms to the relationship between the Divinity and jyotish. The response to this post can only come through my learning over the next few years on the subject and I pray that my attempts be honest and fruitful. Nevertheless I have tried to respond to you below: Rath: Not getting into the philosophy as yet, the thumb rule to use Shakti mantra is that the planet dasa/Vimsottari dasa should be causing great pain and suffering. Pain and suffering are related to the consciousness of the mind and hence hot/cold and all such relative terms come into being at this level. It is at this point that we remember the Mother. All babies cry for the Mother when they suffer. To alleviate the suffering, the Mother takes various forms of which the most potent are the Dasa mahavidya. For example if a person is having Sun (Antardasa - note Not dasa) and is suffering, then we advise the use of the Matangi Mantra and worship of Matangi as She is the Mother of the Sun. Sun - Matangi Moon - Bhubaneswari Mars - Bagalamukhi Mercury - Tripurasundari Jupiter - Ugratara Venus - Kamalatmika Saturn - Mahakali Rahu - Chinnamasta Ketu - Dhoomavati Lagna - Bhairavi Whereas the Shakti of the Grahas are worshipped at the begining of the antardasa to remove blemish and for protection during the antardasa, the Shakti os Lagna i.e. Bhairavi is worshipped at all times for ensuring that the path is right. Again, bhairavi does not have an independant existance and blends with the Shakti of the Lagna lord. Just as there cannot be antardasa without a dasa, Kali cannot come into being without Shiva (your explanation was good, what I wanted to see was the Jyotish correlation). Thus the Dasa themselves represnt the different forms of Shiva. Remember my basic foundationof the tripod of life - [Paradigm-1] Sun, Moon & Lagna or [Paradigm-2] Atmakaraka, Arudha Lagna & Lagna Thakurs Tapasya has a lot to teach us. Correlate his life events with the dasa and the effect of poojas he performed. This will help you to learn more. The more you study the life of Thakur (Rama Krishna Pramhamsa) the better you will understand the dasa mahavidya. Sarbani: This is really exciting Sanjayji. I get my direction from this. The fact that the dasha and antardasha lords are inseparable like Shiv and Shakti is a mind blowing concept. I will need some time to read, think and map out this juxtaposition between Shiv, Shakti, Narayan in the inter-relations between the planets, bha-chakra, rashi chakra and the nakshtras. It appears that the 'leela' of the Divine is played out in a microcosmic way on the astrological plane. And the microcosm of the astrological plane is reflected in the human being and other living beings. It's like a two-tier system of mirroring. This is fascinating. I have now no doubts left that I have taken the right decision in joining sjvc (though I must concede that the initial push had come from Partha). I will seek to learn what you have indicated above and learn jyotisha keeping this only in mind. In that sense I am indebted to you. Badhakasthan, or no Badhakasthan, Jupiter has once again proved to me that he always takes me to the right gurus/teachers, however late and however with difficulty. So when Ketu will make me fall out with you and sjvc, I will always carry this gift of knowledge within me wherever I am, and pursue this line. Perhaps once I finish my sjvc lessons, I can exclusively work on this. This is what I would truly desire from the bottom of my heart. In fact, I would have to learn the technical aspects of jyoti and pursue the deeper aspects side by side, till I can submerge myself into the deeper/spiritual aspects completely. Rath: In tantra, you can compel a graha to give good results. What are the implications of this keeping in view that Graha represent people coming into one's life. Sarbani: So we exercise our free will when we decide how we wish to elate to these people in our lives, and thereby influence the grahas and hence our lives? Rath: The learned Swami ji - excellent. You must bear in mind that these references are more allegorical than scientific reality. they are meant to stress a point and are not to be taken literally. be careful in what you absorb and the point stressed by him would mean that that the strength of phases of Tripura are based on the kala's of the Moon. Sarbani: I will. Rath: Leave the kalas of Moon alone till you are in a position to discuss the Chandra kala nadi. There is a definite link between the Das Avatar, Das mahavidya, Ekadasa Rudra, Dwadas aditya, etc. I am unaware of any specific link to the Chandra kala. Sarbani: As I mentioned above, the analogy between this and jyotish is what I seek to learn. Rath: Yes. There is a great depth to the concept of the path, knowledge and goal. start with the path. Look for the various linkages to the 12th from karakamsa (aspects also count here as these are paths). These are the paths that can take us to the Ista devata. In the bhagavatam, this becomes clearer as the forms and their fruits are clearly stated. Vishnu (avatar) are the granters of Moksha, Shiva gives the knowledge and so on. Sarbani: These linkage are with Jupiter in Pisces, Rahu in Sagittarius and with Arudha Lagna in Virgo. The 12th is also Mercury' sign. Mercury is also my AK. Hence there is a predominance of Mercury here. Pointing to Narayana? With a dash of Jupitarean influence, hence Nirguna Narayana? Please don't laugh at my attempts at jyotisha. Rath: Why can you not pray to Chinnamasta or to kali? What prevents you from accepting the truth that this world is not a bed of roses. What tells you that by closig your eyes, the truth that some women become prostitutes and others become impure by hurting their spouses/guru's will change? Kali's tongue is red from the blood oozing out as she bit it when she unwittingly stepped on Maheswara and to say that this is the pose She will prefer to be in, amounts to distorting the truth. We all make mistakes and Kali represnts those mistalkes we have made that are as terrible as stepping on the chest of Shiva. That is the real truth behind the particular pose that kali occupies and in remember Her in that form, we should realise that we deserve to be punished like those beheaded ones adorning Her garland. In her mercy, She shall help us to get over these sins represented by saturn and rise. This is the correct attitude (you will agree that the right attitude is very vital in this worship). As regards Chinnamasta, tell me one person in this world who at some point of time has not lost his/her head on some foolish matter. This is the meaning of Chinnamasta and we atone for it when we lose our Ahamkara (symbolised by the head). Thus, there is a DEEP SATWIK, RAJASIK OR TAMASIK ATTITUDE that can be attached to each worship of the Mother. What matters is the attitude of the Guru and how he teaches these subjects. If the worship is right then like a lotus it shall help us to spring out of the quagmire of the filth of past karma. You are too intelligent for anyone to give you stories.So read and keep reading. Remember you Ista mantra and keep reading and then the knowledge will be yours, pure and clear and Satwik right through. Just a last point to help clear all doubts - Kali Krishna swaroopa..the worship of Kali in Her satwik manners/attitude will surely give you Krishna consciousness very quickly. For example Kali refers to any lady who has been wronged and called Kalankini even when She is attached to Krishna. One such fine Satwik example is Radhika or Radha. Radha is a perfect example of Kali. She suffered atrocities, anger and what not all, but struck to the right goal. Hence those who shall worship Radha automaticalle end up worshipping Kali. another example is Meera bai. Sarbani: You have said it so beautifully, what more can I comment? I accept with grace what you say about the terrible forms of the Devi and know it in my heart about the 'right approach'. All I can say is, when I recite the Chandi (in my own incorrect way) and when I write about and perceive the Devi, it is with the attitude of Krishna consciousness. After hearing you, I am more strengthened to know that I am on the right path and will follow it more intensely. Also thank you for showing me to the room with two doors: Kali and Krishna, Krishna and Kali. It resonates deep within. Rath: Imagine the difference now that you have the knowledge that Ista is very clear in any chart...What is the specific form of Shiva in your chart? Sarbani: I was looking at Gemini in the rashi chart. I have done so for this long in life. Maybe its time to look at Gemini in navamsha? Rath: Start with the Dwadasamsa, then move to the Vimsamsa along with the Rasi & Navamsa fixed in your mind. The picture will become even clearer. Sarbani: I did the above for ishta devata. This is a hurried appraisal to know whether I am on the right track or not. I have written about the navamsha in an earlier post following your lead. So I am not repeating it here. In all four, one factor stands out clearly: the close relationship between saturn ® and ketu (together in all four) with Mercury and a triadic relationship between Saturn, Mercury and Jupiter. I could not read the Dwadasamsa properly, but badahakesh once again Saturn aspecting the badhakasthan 9H, which is also the arudha lagna. A5 is in Cancer with Saturn and Ketu. Saturn aspects Jupiter in 5H. Jupiter is in Mercury's sign (Virgo). Rashi is also in Mercury's sign, Gemini. In Vimsamsa, badhakesh is in 12H, which is also A9. The concentration is on 9H, Pisces, which has Saturn, Ketu and Mercury. This is also the arudha lagna. Lagna lord Moon is in Mercury's sign, Gemini once more. Saturn aspects Jupiter, who is in Saggitarius. Saturn, Ketu, Jupiter and Mercury are unquestionably linked. Mercury is my AK. Gemini stands out as a sign; it is my Arudha Lagna in Rashi, again Mercury's sign. Pisces is strong in 3 of the charts: D9-Jupiter, D12-Venus, D20-9th house. In rashi: Saturn and Ketu are 9th from AK Mercury and Moon. Mercury and Moon 12th from Arudha Lagna (Gemini). 9th lord Jupiter in badhakasthan in Saturn's domain. Somewhere in all this, as a sidekick, Venus and Moon figure, but I don't know how. I know this is a bit confusing, but its my first attempt at something like this. So its Kali-Vishnu/Krishna-Narayana/Brahman. Sarbani Terms of Service. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 sarvaniji, u are blessed, so can easily digest what Sanjayji wants to communicate. regards, dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:00 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dear Sanjayji,This is a direct lesson in jyotisha which I am extremely privileged to receive from you and I am glad that it will benefit everyone in the list too. I have noted all that you have said, from the two paradigms to the relationship between the Divinity and jyotish. The response to this post can only come through my learning over the next few years on the subject and I pray that my attempts be honest and fruitful. Nevertheless I have tried to respond to you below: Rath: Not getting into the philosophy as yet, the thumb rule to use Shakti mantra is that the planet dasa/Vimsottari dasa should be causing great pain and suffering. Pain and suffering are related to the consciousness of the mind and hence hot/cold and all such relative terms come into being at this level. It is at this point that we remember the Mother. All babies cry for the Mother when they suffer. To alleviate the suffering, the Mother takes various forms of which the most potent are the Dasa mahavidya. For example if a person is having Sun (Antardasa - note Not dasa) and is suffering, then we advise the use of the Matangi Mantra and worship of Matangi as She is the Mother of the Sun. Sun - Matangi Moon - Bhubaneswari Mars - Bagalamukhi Mercury - Tripurasundari Jupiter - Ugratara Venus - Kamalatmika Saturn - Mahakali Rahu - Chinnamasta Ketu - Dhoomavati Lagna - Bhairavi Whereas the Shakti of the Grahas are worshipped at the begining of the antardasa to remove blemish and for protection during the antardasa, the Shakti os Lagna i.e. Bhairavi is worshipped at all times for ensuring that the path is right. Again, bhairavi does not have an independant existance and blends with the Shakti of the Lagna lord. Just as there cannot be antardasa without a dasa, Kali cannot come into being without Shiva (your explanation was good, what I wanted to see was the Jyotish correlation). Thus the Dasa themselves represnt the different forms of Shiva. Remember my basic foundationof the tripod of life - [Paradigm-1] Sun, Moon & Lagna or [Paradigm-2] Atmakaraka, Arudha Lagna & Lagna Thakurs Tapasya has a lot to teach us. Correlate his life events with the dasa and the effect of poojas he performed. This will help you to learn more. The more you study the life of Thakur (Rama Krishna Pramhamsa) the better you will understand the dasa mahavidya.Sarbani: This is really exciting Sanjayji. I get my direction from this. The fact that the dasha and antardasha lords are inseparable like Shiv and Shakti is a mind blowing concept. I will need some time to read, think and map out this juxtaposition between Shiv, Shakti, Narayan in the inter-relations between the planets, bha-chakra, rashi chakra and the nakshtras. It appears that the 'leela' of the Divine is played out in a microcosmic way on the astrological plane. And the microcosm of the astrological plane is reflected in the human being and other living beings. It's like a two-tier system of mirroring. This is fascinating. I have now no doubts left that I have taken the right decision in joining sjvc (though I must concede that the initial push had come from Partha). I will seek to learn what you have indicated above and learn jyotisha keeping this only in mind. In that sense I am indebted to you. Badhakasthan, or no Badhakasthan, Jupiter has once again proved to me that he always takes me to the right gurus/teachers, however late and however with difficulty. So when Ketu will make me fall out with you and sjvc, I will always carry this gift of knowledge within me wherever I am, and pursue this line. Perhaps once I finish my sjvc lessons, I can exclusively work on this. This is what I would truly desire from the bottom of my heart. In fact, I would have to learn the technical aspects of jyoti and pursue the deeper aspects side by side, till I can submerge myself into the deeper/spiritual aspects completely. Rath: In tantra, you can compel a graha to give good results. What are the implications of this keeping in view that Graha represent people coming into one's life. Sarbani: So we exercise our free will when we decide how we wish to elate to these people in our lives, and thereby influence the grahas and hence our lives? Rath: The learned Swami ji - excellent. You must bear in mind that these references are more allegorical than scientific reality. they are meant to stress a point and are not to be taken literally. be careful in what you absorb and the point stressed by him would mean that that the strength of phases of Tripura are based on the kala's of the Moon.Sarbani: I will. Rath: Leave the kalas of Moon alone till you are in a position to discuss the Chandra kala nadi. There is a definite link between the Das Avatar, Das mahavidya, Ekadasa Rudra, Dwadas aditya, etc. I am unaware of any specific link to the Chandra kala.Sarbani: As I mentioned above, the analogy between this and jyotish is what I seek to learn. Rath: Yes. There is a great depth to the concept of the path, knowledge and goal. start with the path. Look for the various linkages to the 12th from karakamsa (aspects also count here as these are paths). These are the paths that can take us to the Ista devata. In the bhagavatam, this becomes clearer as the forms and their fruits are clearly stated. Vishnu (avatar) are the granters of Moksha, Shiva gives the knowledge and so on.Sarbani: These linkage are with Jupiter in Pisces, Rahu in Sagittarius and with Arudha Lagna in Virgo. The 12th is also Mercury' sign. Mercury is also my AK. Hence there is a predominance of Mercury here. Pointing to Narayana? With a dash of Jupitarean influence, hence Nirguna Narayana? Please don't laugh at my attempts at jyotisha. Rath: Why can you not pray to Chinnamasta or to kali? What prevents you from accepting the truth that this world is not a bed of roses. What tells you that by closig your eyes, the truth that some women become prostitutes and others become impure by hurting their spouses/guru's will change? Kali's tongue is red from the blood oozing out as she bit it when she unwittingly stepped on Maheswara and to say that this is the pose She will prefer to be in, amounts to distorting the truth. We all make mistakes and Kali represnts those mistalkes we have made that are as terrible as stepping on the chest of Shiva. That is the real truth behind the particular pose that kali occupies and in remember Her in that form, we should realise that we deserve to be punished like those beheaded ones adorning Her garland. In her mercy, She shall help us to get over these sins represented by saturn and rise. This is the correct attitude (you will agree that the right attitude is very vital in this worship). As regards Chinnamasta, tell me one person in this world who at some point of time has not lost his/her head on some foolish matter. This is the meaning of Chinnamasta and we atone for it when we lose our Ahamkara (symbolised by the head). Thus, there is a DEEP SATWIK, RAJASIK OR TAMASIK ATTITUDE that can be attached to each worship of the Mother. What matters is the attitude of the Guru and how he teaches these subjects. If the worship is right then like a lotus it shall help us to spring out of the quagmire of the filth of past karma. You are too intelligent for anyone to give you stories.So read and keep reading. Remember you Ista mantra and keep reading and then the knowledge will be yours, pure and clear and Satwik right through. Just a last point to help clear all doubts - Kali Krishna swaroopa..the worship of Kali in Her satwik manners/attitude will surely give you Krishna consciousness very quickly. For example Kali refers to any lady who has been wronged and called Kalankini even when She is attached to Krishna. One such fine Satwik example is Radhika or Radha. Radha is a perfect example of Kali. She suffered atrocities, anger and what not all, but struck to the right goal. Hence those who shall worship Radha automaticalle end up worshipping Kali. another example is Meera bai.Sarbani: You have said it so beautifully, what more can I comment? I accept with grace what you say about the terrible forms of the Devi and know it in my heart about the 'right approach'. All I can say is, when I recite the Chandi (in my own incorrect way) and when I write about and perceive the Devi, it is with the attitude of Krishna consciousness. After hearing you, I am more strengthened to know that I am on the right path and will follow it more intensely. Also thank you for showing me to the room with two doors: Kali and Krishna, Krishna and Kali. It resonates deep within. Rath: Imagine the difference now that you have the knowledge that Ista is very clear in any chart...What is the specific form of Shiva in your chart?Sarbani: I was looking at Gemini in the rashi chart. I have done so for this long in life. Maybe its time to look at Gemini in navamsha? Rath: Start with the Dwadasamsa, then move to the Vimsamsa along with the Rasi & Navamsa fixed in your mind. The picture will become even clearer.Sarbani: I did the above for ishta devata. This is a hurried appraisal to know whether I am on the right track or not. I have written about the navamsha in an earlier post following your lead. So I am not repeating it here. In all four, one factor stands out clearly: the close relationship between saturn ® and ketu (together in all four) with Mercury and a triadic relationship between Saturn, Mercury and Jupiter. I could not read the Dwadasamsa properly, but badahakesh once again Saturn aspecting the badhakasthan 9H, which is also the arudha lagna. A5 is in Cancer with Saturn and Ketu. Saturn aspects Jupiter in 5H. Jupiter is in Mercury's sign (Virgo). Rashi is also in Mercury's sign, Gemini. In Vimsamsa, badhakesh is in 12H, which is also A9. The concentration is on 9H, Pisces, which has Saturn, Ketu and Mercury. This is also the arudha lagna. Lagna lord Moon is in Mercury's sign, Gemini once more. Saturn aspects Jupiter, who is in Saggitarius. Saturn, Ketu, Jupiter and Mercury are unquestionably linked. Mercury is my AK. Gemini stands out as a sign; it is my Arudha Lagna in Rashi, again Mercury's sign. Pisces is strong in 3 of the charts: D9-Jupiter, D12-Venus, D20-9th house. In rashi: Saturn and Ketu are 9th from AK Mercury and Moon. Mercury and Moon 12th from Arudha Lagna (Gemini). 9th lord Jupiter in badhakasthan in Saturn's domain. Somewhere in all this, as a sidekick, Venus and Moon figure, but I don't know how. I know this is a bit confusing, but its my first attempt at something like this. So its Kali-Vishnu/Krishna-Narayana/Brahman. Sarbani Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dear Dasguptaji, Easily digest Sanjayji's comments? No, no. Just taking cues from him. It is like manna from heaven. But ultimately it will depend how hard I can work upon them. For ultimately nothing matters but hard work. I have no clue about rashi dashas, so I cannot comment on them, but obviously Jup-Sun which has just started, is auguring well so far. I also received some good offers professionally on Sunday and today. Sarbani "j.k. dasgupta" wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 dear sarvaniji, as per the chart you sent to the list, your jup-sun will start from 8.11.02 - and your sade sati is on. lot of tension-i suppose. you were running jup-ven-sat which has just ended. there is a parivartana between exaulet moon & ven (2nd and 4th house). moon is your Pik and ven is your Amk. just for academic interest, can you please tell what was it's effect between march'2000 and oct'2000? specially between july'2000 and dec'2000 while you were in Ta-Cn, Ta-Ge and Ta-Ta rashi dasa? regards dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:00 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dear Dasguptaji,Easily digest Sanjayji's comments? No, no. Just taking cues from him. Itis like manna from heaven. But ultimately it will depend how hard I canwork upon them. For ultimately nothing matters but hard work. I have noclue about rashi dashas, so I cannot comment on them, but obviouslyJup-Sun which has just started, is auguring well so far. I also receivedsome good offers professionally on Sunday and today.Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printableYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Dear Dasguptaji, The timing that I wrote for commencement of my Jup-Sun, is according to the settings I have in JHL. The time that you give, November, 2002, is what I get from other software. I feel the setting in JHL is more accurate. 2000 was bad, but 2001 was worse, specially financially and professionally. I observed very closely, that the long Mars transit in 2001 from February to August in my 8H, finished everything off me. Now you may like to explain this through rashi dashas or by other astrological factors. I renewed my energy September 2001 onwards, first (would you believe it?) by joining a gym and 'working out'. This gave me the stamina to rebuild my mental energy and I am persisting in trying to rebuild my live. I have done it many times before, but this time round has been specially tough. Jupiter's transit in Aries was horrible, in Taurus bad (gave me accidents), in Gemini has got me relief. Jup-ketu dasha was horrid again, though that's when I got involved with jyotish. Jup-ven problematic and bad again (6/8 relationship). I am mentally more peaceful now. I read in Sanjayji's post somewhere that Saturn's transit in arudha lagna is terrible. Well Saturn will begin transit of my AL this July, the last leg of my Sade sathi. Also someone else on either on sjvc or va had mentioned that the ashtakavarga strength in the different houses also contributes in determining the efect of sadesathi. My saturn has 5 points in gemini. Does all this mean that Saturns' tranist in AL, Gemini will be very bad for me? I have just jot JHL 4 so maybe now I can try to understand Narayana Dasha as well. Dasguptaji you are extremely kind. Sarbani "j.k. dasgupta" wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 dear sarvaniji, i am also using jhl4.1, and i checked your chart as per ealier version jlite also. the dasa periods are same. please check the ayamansa you are using. i do not understand transits well-but jup is in star of rahu (in 4H). might be that is why its transit in 1H and 2H gave you problems. i suppose family problems. as i understand if sat gives more that 4 points in any house - its transit over that house gives good result. so its transit in gemini should not be that bad. other learned members may correct me on this. but in general jup mahadasa should give rise to dharma as it is 9th from sun. it is also 9L and 12L from asc. so your expences also might have increased. as per jhl4.1 you were in jup-ven-rah from feb'2001 to june'2001. no wonder it has given you lot of trouble. in 2000 also during aug, sept and then in dec might have been tough for you. just trying to find out which dasa timings are more logical. i alos do not know much about rashi dasas. but when i check your varsha charts - yes 2000 and 2001 was bad and from june'2002 will be very good. varsha asc is in Cn and muntha is in 2nd from it. so "fame, honour, happyness, increase in income etc" are indicated. and you are already getting the indications. regards dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:57 AM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dear Dasguptaji,The timing that I wrote for commencement of my Jup-Sun, is according tothe settings I have in JHL. The time that you give, November, 2002, iswhat I get from other software. I feel the setting in JHL is moreaccurate. 2000 was bad, but 2001 was worse, specially financially andprofessionally. I observed very closely, that the long Mars transit in2001 from February to August in my 8H, finished everything off me. Nowyou may like to explain this through rashi dashas or by otherastrological factors. I renewed my energy September 2001 onwards, first(would you believe it?) by joining a gym and 'working out'. This gave methe stamina to rebuild my mental energy and I am persisting in trying torebuild my live. I have done it many times before, but this time roundhas been specially tough. Jupiter's transit in Aries was horrible, inTaurus bad (gave me accidents), in Gemini has got me relief. Jup-ketudasha was horrid again, though that's when I got involved with jyotish.Jup-ven problematic and bad again (6/8 relationship). I am mentally morepeaceful now. I read in Sanjayji's post somewhere that Saturn's transitin arudha lagna is terrible. Well Saturn will begin transit of my ALthis July, the last leg of my Sade sathi. Also someone else on either onsjvc or va had mentioned that the ashtakavarga strength in the differenthouses also contributes in determining the efect of sadesathi. My saturnhas 5 points in gemini. Does all this mean that Saturns' tranist in AL,Gemini will be very bad for me? I have just jot JHL 4 so maybe now I cantry to understand Narayana Dasha as well. Dasguptaji you are extremelykind.Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printable Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Dear Dasguptaji, My JHL 3 (I don't know how to write the version 4 file on to the version 3 one as yet) shows you are correct as per Lahiri, Jup-Ven-Sat just ended 4-5 days back and Jup-Ven-Merc started. Whichever calculation you take, its the beginning of a change in dasha. According to both my new phase began from 28th April. Following Lahiri its Jup-Ven-Merc. Following whatever the setting in JHL 4, its Jup-Sun. No, the problem is always related to profession, money, inter-personal relationships, problems within groups, rivalry, enemies etc. I am sure my problems within sjvc and va will begin in a year's time, unless I maintain a very low key, loner approach. It has happened so till the past 40 years of my life, I don't see any reason for it to change. Till then let me enjoy your company. Family problems have always been there for me. Rahu dasha and beginning of Jupiter dasha it was at a peak. Over the last 2-3 years it has not become worse, rather is at status quo. Dec 2000 was bad yes. 2000 was bad except for Aug-Nov and 2001 as I mentioned earlier was terrible. Now its much better, in the sense I am mentally at peace. Dasguptaji you are a good person, that is why you wish me well. But I have only minimal expectations from life these days, have accepted my karmic trends and I am relaxed about it. As long as nothing more cataclysmic occurs and I am able to work and create. Sarbani "j.k. dasgupta" wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 dear sarbaniji, on a closer look at your chart-i find that you have KSY with saturn just out of it, but having close conjuction with ketu. the yoga is in 4:10 axis. i also have KAY in 4:10 axis. i feel that this matured at my age of 50. till then condition was `too much efforts and too little results' as well as problems all arround. now things are improving garadually. Gurus or learned members may be able to through more light on this - but KSY should mature at the age of 45. one strange thing - till few years ago also, i used to see snake dream regularly. that too, two mutihooded very very big snakes - one male and one female. i never knew what did these mean. some body told me to do puja at Trambyakeswar Shiva Temple at Nasik. i did it but - nothing improved at that point of time. last 2-3 years i did not have any such dream. in your case, badhaka sthana is 11th house having yogi planet jup in it. so jup may creat obstructions but will never harm. in navamsa also both jup and badhaka lord sat are in dual house. so obstructions will go with your efforts. badhaka lord sat is in 10th having UL, A7 & A6 - so you might be facing problems on interpersonal relations etc. after all what is the charm in life - if there is no challenge? we all learn from our past for our future and it is a continuous process. you shall understand it better, as you are such a spiritual person. regards dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:50 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dear Dasguptaji,My JHL 3 (I don't know how to write the version 4 file on to the version3 one as yet) shows you are correct as per Lahiri, Jup-Ven-Sat justended 4-5 days back and Jup-Ven-Merc started. Whichever calculation youtake, its the beginning of a change in dasha. According to both my newphase began from 28th April. Following Lahiri its Jup-Ven-Merc.Following whatever the setting in JHL 4, its Jup-Sun. No, the problem isalways related to profession, money, inter-personal relationships,problems within groups, rivalry, enemies etc. I am sure my problemswithin sjvc and va will begin in a year's time, unless I maintain a verylow key, loner approach. It has happened so till the past 40 years of mylife, I don't see any reason for it to change. Till then let me enjoyyour company. Family problems have always been there for me. Rahu dashaand beginning of Jupiter dasha it was at a peak. Over the last 2-3 yearsit has not become worse, rather is at status quo. Dec 2000 was bad yes.2000 was bad except for Aug-Nov and 2001 as I mentioned earlier wasterrible. Now its much better, in the sense I am mentally at peace.Dasguptaji you are a good person, that is why you wish me well. But Ihave only minimal expectations from life these days, have accepted mykarmic trends and I am relaxed about it. As long as nothing morecataclysmic occurs and I am able to work and create.Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printable Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Dasguptaji, Please correct me, but I think I remember reading on this list that if there are planets associated with the nodes, the KSY gets broken. Perhaps Venus performs that function in my chart, but I am not quite sure. Sarbani "j.k. dasgupta" wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 dear sarbaniji, sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office. yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one beautifull mail from visti, quote========== Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames. Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no relief. Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural Malefics) But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga) The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different, as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts and becomes liquid that quelches the flames. unquote================ so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help. but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2 planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in the list shall please clear this doubt. regards, dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:41 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dasguptaji,Please correct me, but I think I remember reading on this list that ifthere are planets associated with the nodes, the KSY gets broken.Perhaps Venus performs that function in my chart, but I am not quitesure.Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printable Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Dasguptaji, That is indeed a beautiful quote from Visti. I think from my own experience: the KS tightens its noose, but somehow I am always saved in the last minute, though with heavy bruises. But I do not wish to be presumptuous. There are so many other factors which interplay with each other to produce certain results. But how do you determine the discerning factor I wonder? Sarbani "j.k. dasgupta" wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Dear Dasguptaji & Sarbani, The break is said to come at the natural age of the planet joining the nodes - natural ages were given in Lesson#4 of SJVC. Best wishes, Shailesh - j.k. dasgupta sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - dear sarbaniji, sorry for answering late. my computer is in office and today i just reached office. yes, you are correct. i overlooked that venus is not inside the rah-ket axis-it is about 4d outside. so KSY is broken. in this matter i am quoting one beautifull mail from visti, quote========== Picture that the Kala Sarpa Yoga is a wall of flames. Now picture that 10 children(grahas), are playing and 9 of them are caught inside the wall of flames.. Now if that one child is outside it can go run for help.. thus the wall is broken. But if it too is caught in it, then there is no relief. Also if an evil child is caught outside it won't break the flames, but rather laugh at its burning counterparts, or not even care and go its own way.(Natural Malefics) But if a good child, is outside, it will immediately run for help.(Natural Benefics)If one of the children is protected by the other children, then it also won't feel the burn of the flames.(Subhakartari Yoga) The same counts for Kala Amrita Yoga, the outcome of the burn is just different, as One burns and becomes ashes that blends with the dirt, and the other melts and becomes liquid that quelches the flames. unquote================ so in your case saturn and venus both should help to brake the yoga. Saturn is your MK and Venus is your AmK. most probably these persons shall do it. but how and when - i cannot tell. other learned members may please help. but till then - should the planets inside the rah-ket axis suffer or as 2 planets are outside, KSY is not there at all? i do not know. i hope somebody in the list shall please clear this doubt. regards, dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:41 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dasguptaji,Please correct me, but I think I remember reading on this list that ifthere are planets associated with the nodes, the KSY gets broken.Perhaps Venus performs that function in my chart, but I am not quitesure.Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Shailesh, I have not moved an inch beyond Lesson 1 and it appears it will be like this for another month or so! Simply cannot make the time. So, I am the baby here! Bottom of the class. Sarbani Shailesh wrote: > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 dear sarbaniji, same experience with me also. everywhere i had to fight and come out by own effort. regards, dasgupta - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 12:07 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Dasguptaji,That is indeed a beautiful quote from Visti. I think from my ownexperience: the KS tightens its noose, but somehow I am always saved inthe last minute, though with heavy bruises. But I do not wish to bepresumptuous. There are so many other factors which interplay with eachother to produce certain results. But how do you determine thediscerning factor I wonder?Sarbani"j.k. dasgupta" wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printableYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Sarbani, If I may digress slightly from Jyotish, a foreigner made this comment about Indian villagers: THESE PEOPLE MAY BE ILLITERATE BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT UNEDUCATED. You think it is applicable here?? Shailesh - Sarbani Sarkar sjvc Friday, May 03, 2002 4:01 PM Re: [sjvc] Ista Devata Mantra - Shailesh, I have not moved an inch beyond Lesson 1 and it appears itwill be like this for another month or so! Simply cannot make the time.So, I am the baby here! Bottom of the class.SarbaniShailesh wrote:> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)> Encoding: quoted-printable------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4and no minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/XUWolB/TM---~->Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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