query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

April 28, 2002

Longitude is 76E39' 00'' Latitude is 10 N 47' 00'' I hope you will enlighten me

with the details I asked in my previous main. However I wish to reproduce the

same massage below "I was favoured with your answers and while thanking you

both for enlightening me with the information on sade sati and kandaka sani,

one more doubt is remaining still " you told that all results are to be studied

from moon, sun and lagna as well", it is giving me little bit confusion. Would

you please advise me whether houses are to be counted from Moon or Lagna.

Because I saw so many articles and monthly predction os various astrologers in

India they they are calculating the sade sathi and kandaka sani from moon rasi.

So in this for example: My younger daughter is born in 02-05-1995 at 7.45 am in

Trichur, Kerala state India. Her moon rasi is Taurus as well as Lagna placed in

Taurus. So according to your information whether is affected by sada sati?.

Even in my case my moon rasi is Aquarius (DOB 16-4-1960, at 3.37 pm at

palakkad, kerala India) so I am too affected by Kandaka sani? since Sani is

residing in Taurus till coming 23rd July". Would you please give me more

details. I am very interested to know more about this. If my findings are wrong

please correct me. Also if you could advise me suitable mantra or astrological

remedy to get rid of the evil effect of theise Sade sati and Kandaka sani.

Thanks and regards, Suresh

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April 28, 2002

Dear Visti and respected members,

Let me share my few cents, which I learned from Vaidika. I extracted

the following excerpt from the email, I received.

nAsadIya sooktam's first five mantra-s which convey:

That One as Indescribable beyond words such as sat, asat, raja,

vyOma, mR`tyu, amR`tam, etc.; from such Indescribable state came

tama, then salilam (not water, but primordial matter, idiot! What

does modern cosmology say? - some indescribable uniform fundamental

matter sea from a mathematical singularity, it it not? Read the most

respected cosmologist in CalTech groping just as R`shi-s did); then

aekam mahimAn, desire, multiplicity, universe, etc.).

And countless more R`ks scattered all over the Veda-s point to who

That Indescribable is, this universe is, we are, relationally, etc.

And the brAhmaNa, AraNyaka commentaries substantiate this theme -

from That One we and all things manifested, That exists IN

COMPLETENESS and FULLNESS in the tiniest of the tiniest to the

largest of the largest. That One in us alone connects you and me.

This is 100% contradictory to Aristotelian logic of duality, THE

base of western culture & religions, which is INCOMPLETE(cf: Godel's

Incompleteness Theorem). This is the core difference in the debate

between two opposing thought systems in humanity since the time of

the Great Buddha.

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> ---------------------

> Dear Shashank,

> The Supreme Lord finds great enjoyment, in making us believe, that

the universe was created by nothing, and that we alone are the master

of our actions.

>

> I will be blunt. If you do not believe in God, then you cannot

believe in astrology. Hence you allready believe in God.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> Shashank Gupta

> sjvc

> Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:41 AM

> Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

>

> Dear Visti ji,

>

> sorry to say but i dont believe in god........i dont know why i

started learning astrology probably because it fascinated

me...........before joining this group i thought astrology is a

science..... our actions, thoughts are maneuvered by gravitational

attraction of planetary bodies but am still trying to find out the

*truth*...........same is the case with vedic remedies .......because

one cant see the other side of picture its hard to analyze whether

something happened naturally or through vedic remedies.....

>

> shashank is in search of excellence ( god ??)

>

> regards,

> ~Jaiho

> -

> Visti Larsen

> sjvc

> Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:42 PM

> Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

>

> Om Namo Naraayanaya

> -----------------

> Dear ~Jaiho,

> They had Sade Sathi in the other Yugas as well.

> Why are you waiting for Kalki, when he's right there in front

of you.. go to him; Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> Shashank Gupta

> sjvc

> Saturday, April 27, 2002 1:01 PM

> Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> because transits are to be seen from moon and sade sathi is

transit phenomenon of saturn........i guess sade sathi is to be seen

only from moon.......

>

> lets say moon is 4th house for a particular

person..........and he is running sade sathi (seeing from

lagna)......as soon as sade sathi ends .....another 71/2 cycle of

saturn will start (now from moon)..............15 years of continous

suffering.......then we have kanataka sani both from moon and

lagna ...........when will this suffering end ..........it means

transit of saturn is always bad..........only god can save us from

saturn........as sanjay ji pointed out in his previous

mail ......this is KALI yug ........we have to suffer.......eagerly

waiting for last *avatar* of lord vishnu.......only he can save us

>

> regards,

> ~Jaiho

> -

> Visti Larsen

> sjvc

> Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

> Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

sani

>

> Om Namo Naraayanaya

> -----------------

> Dear ~Jaiho,

> See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will have more

bearing on the person in this life.

>

> Same with Kanataka Sani.

>

> Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the Sun.

>

> Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara, and other

authors.

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> Shashank Gupta

> sjvc

> Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

> Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

sani

>

> Dear Visti and Ash,

>

> Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says --

>

> "All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

(Mind, Spirit

> and Physical Body"

>

> I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen from Moon

only. Checking it from moon, sun and lagna will make life difficult

for natives who have sun and moon in different houses but not in

lagna.

>

> pls clarify.

>

> ~Jaiho

>

> -

> Visti Larsen

> sjvc

> Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

> Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani &

Kandaka sani

>

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> -----------------------

----

> Dear Ash,

> Brilliant!

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> ashsam73

> sjvc

> Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

> [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

sani

>

> Dear Suresh,

>

> When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd house

it is called

> Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit

these house.

> Now Check the AV strength of Shani. If it has less

than 3 bindus and

> if any planet is giving 0 points in Sarvashatakavarga

table for the

> 12th house then the effect of shani will be felt very

severely.

> Lower the bindu of shani the higher the effect will

be. The reason

> for this is that that for eg. if Shani has 1 bindu in

AV, it means

> that only 1 planet or lagna is helping it so the

other planets are

> not favouring shani (or opposing its natural

tendencies to delay or

> depart a person) hence in the significance of that

planet shani cant

> cause havoc. If shani has 3 bindus or greater the

effect will be

> felt but it will be way better that shani having 1

bindu.

> Check the strenght of shani for its results.

>

> As you know that the natural tendency of Shani is to

delay matters,

> so apply yourself for the other houses. In the 8th

house it is in

> the house of longetivity for lagna, so depending on

the strength of

> Shani, lagna etc it may cause problems. 4th house is

that of Sukha

> sthan and Shani in 4th can delay or deny or depart

the signifhcance

> of 4th house etc etc....

>

> All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and

Lagna, (Mind, Spirit

> and Physical Body).

>

> Hope that helps,

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> sjvc, suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960>

wrote:

> >

> > Pranam Gurudev,

> > I read in one article regarding aspect of Sani that

> > "When sani resides in 12th, 1st and 2nd house it is

7 1/2 Sani,

> when in the fourth house its Arthastama Sani, When in

the 8th house

> it is Asthama Sani. So I wish to know whether these

houses are

> calculated from Lagna or Moon rasi? and What is the

effect of 7 1/2

> Sani and Khandaka Sani?

> > I expect reply from you,

> > Suresh

> >

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April 28, 2002

Dear Shashank, Ash and respected members:

> Jyotish is a science with intution (Art) and belief.

Jyotisha is SCIENCE, but wont fit into The framework of Duality Logic.

Our mindset in India is contaminated by these INCOMPLETE logical

systems. It is time to induce our Veda-s, Shaastra-s, PuraaNas in the

present school system. Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi is trying to that.

But our slaves to Indology, collected by tribes Max Muller et al had

done enough in this modern texts in this school. We would have been

in better position, if we were studied Tarka(Vedic Logic) et al.

> You are

> touching on a long debate on fate vs free will. What is written in

> the chart v/s what can be changed by our karma during this life

> time. And how much ?

Pls. read the article by Sanjay

http://www.sjvcusa.org/Articles/Freewill.htm

> If you are a man of science and beleive in science then why is it

THese present day Sciences are self-correcting.Why? Why are not they

perfect?. This is due to limitations(Asuri) imposed by the finite

formal systems. We usally see tons of contradictions in these so-

called Sciences. Somebody say something on yesterday might not be

TRUE in the long run. This is the Science, we studied in the schools

(irrespective of where you study, which is dominated by western, as

opposed to Guru kulam), is just wastge of time, like 18 years in my

case. How many of us, who use IBM machines are aware of IBM founder?.

Still, we are remembering Rama, Kr`sna, Paras'ara, Valmiki, Jaimini,

Vas'ishta and sages of yore. This is cycle. Yadbhootam yadbhavati.

Impact of Kali. These materialistic(asuri) modern seers walking on

the footsteps filled with filth. On other day, I saw a journal on

Yoga in local store here in Bay area, which has written Article on

Karma. That author starts that article with " The webster marriam

dictionary gives the meaning of Karma.....". And our brethern goes

with this rubbish. The meanings of Samskr'ta words is in Veda-s.

80% of current Samskr`ta words are in the Veda-s, and Veda-s go

to lot of extent using every word to describe That One Indescribable

permeating everything indivisibly and completely. However, all

secondary or tertiary or later causes are not directly from That but

from physical laws that were set in motion during creation.

For those who know SamskR`tam, India's traditions, and practice Veda-

s, use intelligence to seek the deeper Truth from which it came, it

is a different matter altogether: hamsaH = aham saH, not swan, etc.

And what is aham? See dEvIsUktam - Rik mandala 10, sUktam 125.

Of course primitive indology dictionaries will give the normal silly

meanings. SamskR`ta(that, which is perfect), samskR`ti show up in

samskAra!

PandiTa Sanjay ask us to "Forgive and Forget". But, it is the time to

change the mindset of fellow brethern, before their minds are going

to be contaminated with asuri works.

> that in the charts of so many enginners we have saturn aspect mars

> or vice versa ? or why is it that Shani in the 5th house invariably

> delays marriage ? If it is aspected by Guru then the delay is

> reduced ? If you study further you will notice a trend with

> commonolity. Only if you are in the search of the truth and

> excellence only then you can go into the root or the moola of

things

> and then with time who knows you might be able solve the enigma of

> the Ananyamsa or so many other facts of jyotish that different

First, Let us study the evolution of THESE SO CALLED SCIENCES at the

schools, evoloved from greeko-roman schools of Thought. Flat fixed

earth, sinned life, terrible fate, harsh destiny, I dont know idiot,

perfectly fit into this Incomplete logical system. Flat fixed earth,

geo-centric theory to Helio-centric Theory.Before Aristotle - 340 BC -

Thales, Ionians, etc. It was perfectly flat, fixed, and center of

universe! For the Greeks, it was Aristotle who first tried to educate

that earth was sort of round (not "perfectly" round like the heavenly

bodies as he pictured them), but it was 13th century when Europe

accepted this notion (after translating Arabic works on ancient India

and Greece). Flat is not divine, round and smooth in heavens is

divine, etc. as per our shaastra-s. It may take thousands of years

for us, who are in this present day schools, to evolve into Vedic

level. Hence, the current muddle with respect to Vaidikia Shaastra-s.

> > sorry to say but i dont believe in god

See, my other mail about The One That is Indesribable.

Best Regards,

Venkates'wara Reddy

April 28, 2002

Dear Venkates'wara,

Its my belief that Jyotish is a SCIENCE and an ART.

SCIENCE Part : The Science part is to understand and comphrehend and

compute what the planets are telling us part,

ART : is communicating the SCIENCE and translate into and relate it

most accurately in a way that person can understand to the querist

is an ART.

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

sjvc, "venkateshwara_reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy>

wrote:

> Dear Shashank, Ash and respected members:

>

> > Jyotish is a science with intution (Art) and belief.

>

> Jyotisha is SCIENCE, but wont fit into The framework of Duality

Logic.

> Our mindset in India is contaminated by these INCOMPLETE logical

> systems. It is time to induce our Veda-s, Shaastra-s, PuraaNas in

the

> present school system. Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi is trying to that.

> But our slaves to Indology, collected by tribes Max Muller et al

had

> done enough in this modern texts in this school. We would have

been

> in better position, if we were studied Tarka(Vedic Logic) et al.

>

> > You are

> > touching on a long debate on fate vs free will. What is written

in

> > the chart v/s what can be changed by our karma during this life

> > time. And how much ?

>

> Pls. read the article by Sanjay

>

> http://www.sjvcusa.org/Articles/Freewill.htm

>

> > If you are a man of science and beleive in science then why is

it

>

> THese present day Sciences are self-correcting.Why? Why are not

they

> perfect?. This is due to limitations(Asuri) imposed by the finite

> formal systems. We usally see tons of contradictions in these so-

> called Sciences. Somebody say something on yesterday might not be

> TRUE in the long run. This is the Science, we studied in the

schools

> (irrespective of where you study, which is dominated by western,

as

> opposed to Guru kulam), is just wastge of time, like 18 years in

my

> case. How many of us, who use IBM machines are aware of IBM

founder?.

> Still, we are remembering Rama, Kr`sna, Paras'ara, Valmiki,

Jaimini,

> Vas'ishta and sages of yore. This is cycle. Yadbhootam yadbhavati.

> Impact of Kali. These materialistic(asuri) modern seers walking on

> the footsteps filled with filth. On other day, I saw a journal on

> Yoga in local store here in Bay area, which has written Article on

> Karma. That author starts that article with " The webster marriam

> dictionary gives the meaning of Karma.....". And our brethern goes

> with this rubbish. The meanings of Samskr'ta words is in Veda-s.

> 80% of current Samskr`ta words are in the Veda-s, and Veda-s go

> to lot of extent using every word to describe That One

Indescribable

> permeating everything indivisibly and completely. However, all

> secondary or tertiary or later causes are not directly from That

but

> from physical laws that were set in motion during creation.

> For those who know SamskR`tam, India's traditions, and practice

Veda-

> s, use intelligence to seek the deeper Truth from which it came,

it

> is a different matter altogether: hamsaH = aham saH, not swan,

etc.

> And what is aham? See dEvIsUktam - Rik mandala 10, sUktam 125.

> Of course primitive indology dictionaries will give the normal

silly

> meanings. SamskR`ta(that, which is perfect), samskR`ti show up in

> samskAra!

>

> PandiTa Sanjay ask us to "Forgive and Forget". But, it is the time

to

> change the mindset of fellow brethern, before their minds are

going

> to be contaminated with asuri works.

>

> > that in the charts of so many enginners we have saturn aspect

mars

> > or vice versa ? or why is it that Shani in the 5th house

invariably

> > delays marriage ? If it is aspected by Guru then the delay is

> > reduced ? If you study further you will notice a trend with

> > commonolity. Only if you are in the search of the truth and

> > excellence only then you can go into the root or the moola of

> things

> > and then with time who knows you might be able solve the enigma

of

> > the Ananyamsa or so many other facts of jyotish that different

>

> First, Let us study the evolution of THESE SO CALLED SCIENCES at

the

> schools, evoloved from greeko-roman schools of Thought. Flat fixed

> earth, sinned life, terrible fate, harsh destiny, I dont know

idiot,

> perfectly fit into this Incomplete logical system. Flat fixed

earth,

> geo-centric theory to Helio-centric Theory.Before Aristotle - 340

BC -

> Thales, Ionians, etc. It was perfectly flat, fixed, and center of

> universe! For the Greeks, it was Aristotle who first tried to

educate

> that earth was sort of round (not "perfectly" round like the

heavenly

> bodies as he pictured them), but it was 13th century when Europe

> accepted this notion (after translating Arabic works on ancient

India

> and Greece). Flat is not divine, round and smooth in heavens is

> divine, etc. as per our shaastra-s. It may take thousands of years

> for us, who are in this present day schools, to evolve into Vedic

> level. Hence, the current muddle with respect to Vaidikia Shaastra-

s.

>

> > > sorry to say but i dont believe in god

>

> See, my other mail about The One That is Indesribable.

>

> Best Regards,

> Venkates'wara Reddy

April 29, 2002

Om Gurave Namah

------------------------

Dear Sai

My wife and I also got married during sade sati. Both have Kumbha Rasi and

saturn was in Capricorn. Both left their homes to come to delhi and tied the

knot in a small religious ceremony. Karmic from the past life, is what I will

call this.

Best Regards,

Sanjay Rath

Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

-

"saikumar" <astrossk

<sjvc>

Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:43 AM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> Namasthe all and Ash

>

> Hope this will help you in your analysis. In fact I

> got married in my 7 1/2 years Sani and incidentally my

> wife was also running 7 1/2 years. She is just 2 1/2

> years behind me as mine is Kumbha rasi and her's Meena

> rasi.

>

> Let me know if you need further information or charts

> for your analysis.

>

> Regards

> Saikumar

> --- suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960 wrote:

> >

> > Dear ash,

> > Please do not feel that you have made any confusion

> > to any one. Every body is sharing there knowledge.

> > I was really happy to get your answer and I look

> > forward to the information / advise on this query

> > from you and visti as well. I wish to get your

> > advise and answer for my doubts which I posted

> > today just while ago to you, to Visti and to the

> > group aswell. I hope you will not refrain from

> > giving information and advise. thanks once again,

> > I remain,

> > Sincerely Yours

> > SURESH

> >

> > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear

> > Shashank,

> >

> > Shani by its nature is Malefic, and cause delays in

> > events.

> > Sometimes Aspect of Shani may not be bad, as it can

> > even Delay Death.

> > Shani can also be a great blessing.

> > Shani tends to delay matters by its Graha Dristi.

> > Let us take Shani

> > in 12th. Shani in 12th aspects 2nd house (wealth,

> > family etc), 6th

> > house (individuality, status, etc) and 9th house

> > (luck, father, etc)

> > When Shani transits 12th house then Matters

> > regarding these are

> > delayed.

> > When we consider aspect of Sade Sati over moon sign

> > we are seeing

> > its effect on Mana and how mana reacts to the

> > delays, pressures

> > etc. Also check for the 6th house and Lagna strength

> > to see how the

> > native reacts and how strong is his individuality to

> > face those

> > problems. Everything is inter related. If a person

> > does not have

> > the strenght to face the problems.. then he may

> > attempt suicide etc,

> > but if a person is strong and strong willed person

> > then he will take

> > it in his stride, learn from the experience and will

> > be a better

> > person in the long run. I guess that is why they say

> > that Shani is

> > the greatest teacher.

> > I said check the events from Sun that is what I was

> > trying to get at

> > to check the spirit of the person and from langa was

> > how physical

> > body reacts.

> >

> > There was in interesting anicdote that I had read

> > somewhere.

> > "When there is a storm, some people run and take

> > shelter, whereas

> > some build a windmill".

> >

> > On the Same grounds, Do people not get married

> > during Sade Sati, or

> > get job promotions or have children ? If they do

> > then there is much

> > more to just the transit of Saturn over 12th, 1st

> > and 2nd house.

> >

> > Ponder over this, and I shall do the same and when I

> > have some

> > information on the same I will write more.

> >

> > These were just my thoughts.

> >

> > If I have caused any confusion, then I am sorry for

> > the same.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" wrote:

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > because transits are to be seen from moon and sade

> > sathi is

> > transit phenomenon of saturn........i guess sade

> > sathi is to be seen

> > only from moon.......

> > >

> > > lets say moon is 4th house for a particular

> > person..........and he

> > is running sade sathi (seeing from lagna)......as

> > soon as sade sathi

> > ends .....another 71/2 cycle of saturn will start

> > (now from

> > moon)..............15 years of continous

> > suffering.......then we

> > have kanataka sani both from moon and lagna

> > ...........when will

> > this suffering end ..........it means transit of

> > saturn is always

> > bad..........only god can save us from

> > saturn........as sanjay ji

> > pointed out in his previous mail ......this is KALI

> > yug ........we

> > have to suffer.......eagerly waiting for last

> > *avatar* of lord

> > vishnu.......only he can save us

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > ~Jaiho

> > > -

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > sjvc

> > > Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

> > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani &

> > Kandaka sani

> > >

> > > Om Namo Naraayanaya

> > > -----------------

> > > Dear ~Jaiho,

> > > See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will

> > have more

> > bearing on the person in this life.

> > >

> > > Same with Kanataka Sani.

> > >

> > > Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the

> > Sun.

> > >

> > > Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara,

> > and other

> > authors.

> > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > -

> > > Shashank Gupta

> > > sjvc

> > > Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

> > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani &

> > Kandaka sani

> > >

> > > Dear Visti and Ash,

> > >

> > > Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says

> > --

> > >

> > > "All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and

> > Lagna,

> > (Mind, Spirit

> > > and Physical Body"

> > >

> > > I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen

> > from Moon

> > only. Checking it from moon, sun and lagna will make

> > life difficult

> > for natives who have sun and moon in different

> > houses but not in

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > pls clarify.

> > >

> > > ~Jaiho

> > >

> > > -

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > sjvc

> > > Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

> > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani &

> > Kandaka sani

> > >

> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > >

> >

> ---------------------------

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > Brilliant!

> > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > -

> > > ashsam73

> > > sjvc

> > > Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

> > > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani &

> > Kandaka sani

> > >

> > > Dear Suresh,

> > >

> > > When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd

> > house it

> > is called

> > > Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit

> > these

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Dear Ash

Sade Sati actually occurs over each Graha. {THINK..} and what matters is 'what

does it represent' and what are its implications. If for example, Moon is in

Capricorn/Aquarius or in some manner related to Saturn, then Sade sati can give

marriage. In fact those people who are spiritual and have always thought about

renunciation etc are the ones to get married during sade sati. Those people who

were thinking of happiness and marital bliss etc get the opposite. The moot

point is that either way the people DO NOT GET WHAT THEY WANT. Net result is

that they are sad.

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Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:01 PM

[sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> Dear Shashank,

>

> Shani by its nature is Malefic, and cause delays in events.

> Sometimes Aspect of Shani may not be bad, as it can even Delay Death.

> Shani can also be a great blessing.

> Shani tends to delay matters by its Graha Dristi. Let us take Shani

> in 12th. Shani in 12th aspects 2nd house (wealth, family etc), 6th

> house (individuality, status, etc) and 9th house (luck, father, etc)

> When Shani transits 12th house then Matters regarding these are

> delayed.

> When we consider aspect of Sade Sati over moon sign we are seeing

> its effect on Mana and how mana reacts to the delays, pressures

> etc. Also check for the 6th house and Lagna strength to see how the

> native reacts and how strong is his individuality to face those

> problems. Everything is inter related. If a person does not have

> the strenght to face the problems.. then he may attempt suicide etc,

> but if a person is strong and strong willed person then he will take

> it in his stride, learn from the experience and will be a better

> person in the long run. I guess that is why they say that Shani is

> the greatest teacher.

> I said check the events from Sun that is what I was trying to get at

> to check the spirit of the person and from langa was how physical

> body reacts.

>

> There was in interesting anicdote that I had read somewhere.

> "When there is a storm, some people run and take shelter, whereas

> some build a windmill".

>

> On the Same grounds, Do people not get married during Sade Sati, or

> get job promotions or have children ? If they do then there is much

> more to just the transit of Saturn over 12th, 1st and 2nd house.

>

> Ponder over this, and I shall do the same and when I have some

> information on the same I will write more.

>

> These were just my thoughts.

>

> If I have caused any confusion, then I am sorry for the same.

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > because transits are to be seen from moon and sade sathi is

> transit phenomenon of saturn........i guess sade sathi is to be seen

> only from moon.......

> >

> > lets say moon is 4th house for a particular person..........and he

> is running sade sathi (seeing from lagna)......as soon as sade sathi

> ends .....another 71/2 cycle of saturn will start (now from

> moon)..............15 years of continous suffering.......then we

> have kanataka sani both from moon and lagna ...........when will

> this suffering end ..........it means transit of saturn is always

> bad..........only god can save us from saturn........as sanjay ji

> pointed out in his previous mail ......this is KALI yug ........we

> have to suffer.......eagerly waiting for last *avatar* of lord

> vishnu.......only he can save us

> >

> > regards,

> > ~Jaiho

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > sjvc

> > Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > Om Namo Naraayanaya

> > -----------------

> > Dear ~Jaiho,

> > See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will have more

> bearing on the person in this life.

> >

> > Same with Kanataka Sani.

> >

> > Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the Sun.

> >

> > Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara, and other

> authors.

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > Shashank Gupta

> > sjvc

> > Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > Dear Visti and Ash,

> >

> > Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says --

> >

> > "All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> (Mind, Spirit

> > and Physical Body"

> >

> > I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen from Moon

> only. Checking it from moon, sun and lagna will make life difficult

> for natives who have sun and moon in different houses but not in

> lagna.

> >

> > pls clarify.

> >

> > ~Jaiho

> >

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > sjvc

> > Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > ---------------------------

> > Dear Ash,

> > Brilliant!

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > ashsam73

> > sjvc

> > Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

> > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > Dear Suresh,

> >

> > When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd house it

> is called

> > Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit these

> house.

> > Now Check the AV strength of Shani. If it has less than 3

> bindus and

> > if any planet is giving 0 points in Sarvashatakavarga

> table for the

> > 12th house then the effect of shani will be felt very

> severely.

> > Lower the bindu of shani the higher the effect will be.

> The reason

> > for this is that that for eg. if Shani has 1 bindu in AV,

> it means

> > that only 1 planet or lagna is helping it so the other

> planets are

> > not favouring shani (or opposing its natural tendencies to

> delay or

> > depart a person) hence in the significance of that planet

> shani cant

> > cause havoc. If shani has 3 bindus or greater the effect

> will be

> > felt but it will be way better that shani having 1 bindu.

> > Check the strenght of shani for its results.

> >

> > As you know that the natural tendency of Shani is to delay

> matters,

> > so apply yourself for the other houses. In the 8th house

> it is in

> > the house of longetivity for lagna, so depending on the

> strength of

> > Shani, lagna etc it may cause problems. 4th house is that

> of Sukha

> > sthan and Shani in 4th can delay or deny or depart the

> signifhcance

> > of 4th house etc etc....

> >

> > All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> (Mind, Spirit

> > and Physical Body).

> >

> > Hope that helps,

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > sjvc, suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960> wrote:

> > >

> > > Pranam Gurudev,

> > > I read in one article regarding aspect of Sani that

> > > "When sani resides in 12th, 1st and 2nd house it is 7

> 1/2 Sani,

> > when in the fourth house its Arthastama Sani, When in the

> 8th house

> > it is Asthama Sani. So I wish to know whether these

> houses are

> > calculated from Lagna or Moon rasi? and What is the effect

> of 7 1/2

> > Sani and Khandaka Sani?

> > > I expect reply from you,

> > > Suresh

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dear visti,

am not atheist but at the same time i dont believe in god.......anyways i dont

want to hurt sentiments of people here because of our discussion on this

topic......

with due respect,

~Jaiho

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sjvc

Sunday, April 28, 2002 2:44 PM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

---------------------

Dear Shashank,

The Supreme Lord finds great enjoyment, in making us believe, that the universe

was created by nothing, and that we alone are the master of our actions.

I will be blunt. If you do not believe in God, then you cannot believe in

astrology. Hence you allready believe in God.

Best wishes, Visti.

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sjvc

Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:41 AM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Dear Visti ji,

sorry to say but i dont believe in god........i dont know why i started learning

astrology probably because it fascinated me...........before joining this group

i thought astrology is a science..... our actions, thoughts are maneuvered by

gravitational attraction of planetary bodies but am still trying to find out

the *truth*...........same is the case with vedic remedies .......because one

cant see the other side of picture its hard to analyze whether something

happened naturally or through vedic remedies.....

shashank is in search of excellence ( god ??)

regards,

~Jaiho

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sjvc

Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:42 PM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Om Namo Naraayanaya

-----------------

Dear ~Jaiho,

They had Sade Sathi in the other Yugas as well.

Why are you waiting for Kalki, when he's right there in front of you.. go to

him; Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Best wishes, Visti.

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sjvc

Saturday, April 27, 2002 1:01 PM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Dear Visti,

because transits are to be seen from moon and sade sathi is transit phenomenon

of saturn........i guess sade sathi is to be seen only from moon.......

lets say moon is 4th house for a particular person..........and he is running

sade sathi (seeing from lagna)......as soon as sade sathi ends .....another

71/2 cycle of saturn will start (now from moon)..............15 years of

continous suffering.......then we have kanataka sani both from moon and lagna

............when will this suffering end ..........it means transit of saturn is

always bad..........only god can save us from saturn........as sanjay ji pointed

out in his previous mail ......this is KALI yug ........we have to

suffer.......eagerly waiting for last *avatar* of lord vishnu.......only he can

save us

regards,

~Jaiho

-

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sjvc

Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Om Namo Naraayanaya

-----------------

Dear ~Jaiho,

See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will have more bearing on the person in this life.

Same with Kanataka Sani.

Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the Sun.

Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara, and other authors.

Best wishes, Visti.

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sjvc

Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Dear Visti and Ash,

Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says --

"All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna, (Mind, Spirit and Physical Body"

I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen from Moon only. Checking it from

moon, sun and lagna will make life difficult for natives who have sun and moon

in different houses but not in lagna.

pls clarify.

~Jaiho

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sjvc

Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

---------------------------

Dear Ash,

Brilliant!

Best wishes, Visti.

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sjvc

Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

[sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

Dear Suresh,When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd house it is called

Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit these house.Now Check the AV

strength of Shani. If it has less than 3 bindus and if any planet is giving 0

points in Sarvashatakavarga table for the 12th house then the effect of shani

will be felt very severely. Lower the bindu of shani the higher the effect

will be. The reason for this is that that for eg. if Shani has 1 bindu in AV,

it means that only 1 planet or lagna is helping it so the other planets are

not favouring shani (or opposing its natural tendencies to delay or depart a

person) hence in the significance of that planet shani cant cause havoc. If

shani has 3 bindus or greater the effect will be felt but it will be way better

that shani having 1 bindu.Check the strenght of shani for its results. As you

know that the natural tendency of Shani is to delay matters, so apply yourself

for the other houses. In the 8th house it is in the house of longetivity for

lagna, so depending on the strength of Shani, lagna etc it may cause problems.

4th house is that of Sukha sthan and Shani in 4th can delay or deny or depart

the signifhcance of 4th house etc etc....All results are to be studied from

Moon, Sun and Lagna, (Mind, Spirit and Physical Body).Hope that helps,Cheers

!!!Ashsjvc, suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960> wrote:> > Pranam

Gurudev,> I read in one article regarding aspect of Sani that> "When sani

resides in 12th, 1st and 2nd house it is 7 1/2 Sani, when in the fourth house

its Arthastama Sani, When in the 8th house it is Asthama Sani. So I wish to

know whether these houses are calculated from Lagna or Moon rasi? and What is

the effect of 7 1/2 Sani and Khandaka Sani?> I expect reply from you,> Suresh>

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April 29, 2002

Dear Ash,

am also an engineer but in my chart saturn is neither aspecting mars nor

mars is aspecting saturn.......pls not that mars is in my 10h....->engineer.

your intution (art) is working ........my navamsa lagna is

capricorn.........pls find attached chart

~jaiho

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<sjvc>

Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:34 PM

[sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> Dear Shashank,

> I appologise for interveining in your reply to Visti.

> Jyotish is a science with intution (Art) and belief. You are

> touching on a long debate on fate vs free will. What is written in

> the chart v/s what can be changed by our karma during this life

> time. And how much ?

> If you are a man of science and beleive in science then why is it

> that in the charts of so many enginners we have saturn aspect mars

> or vice versa ? or why is it that Shani in the 5th house invariably

> delays marriage ? If it is aspected by Guru then the delay is

> reduced ? If you study further you will notice a trend with

> commonolity. Only if you are in the search of the truth and

> excellence only then you can go into the root or the moola of things

> and then with time who knows you might be able solve the enigma of

> the Ananyamsa or so many other facts of jyotish that different

> astrologers opine differently and that is purely science.

> Its refreshing to know that you do not take things on face value and

> are enthusiastic to go into the deapth of things. Thats always an

> asset.

>

> ps :

> 1) Could you please confirm that in your chart if your Navamsa lagna

> is a saturnian sign or sun or moon are in the navamsa of shani and

> also could you check where Moon, Sun and Rasi Lagna are falling in

> which sign.

>

> Just an instinct.

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

> sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Visti ji,

> >

> > sorry to say but i dont believe in god........i dont know why i

> started learning astrology probably because it fascinated

> me...........before joining this group i thought astrology is a

> science..... our actions, thoughts are maneuvered by gravitational

> attraction of planetary bodies but am still trying to find out the

> *truth*...........same is the case with vedic

> remedies .......because one cant see the other side of picture its

> hard to analyze whether something happened naturally or through

> vedic remedies.....

> >

> > shashank is in search of excellence ( god ??)

> >

> > regards,

> > ~Jaiho

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > sjvc

> > Saturday, April 27, 2002 10:42 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > Om Namo Naraayanaya

> > -----------------

> > Dear ~Jaiho,

> > They had Sade Sathi in the other Yugas as well.

> > Why are you waiting for Kalki, when he's right there in front of

> you.. go to him; Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > Shashank Gupta

> > sjvc

> > Saturday, April 27, 2002 1:01 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > because transits are to be seen from moon and sade sathi is

> transit phenomenon of saturn........i guess sade sathi is to be seen

> only from moon.......

> >

> > lets say moon is 4th house for a particular

> person..........and he is running sade sathi (seeing from

> lagna)......as soon as sade sathi ends .....another 71/2 cycle of

> saturn will start (now from moon)..............15 years of continous

> suffering.......then we have kanataka sani both from moon and

> lagna ...........when will this suffering end ..........it means

> transit of saturn is always bad..........only god can save us from

> saturn........as sanjay ji pointed out in his previous

> mail ......this is KALI yug ........we have to suffer.......eagerly

> waiting for last *avatar* of lord vishnu.......only he can save us

> >

> > regards,

> > ~Jaiho

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > sjvc

> > Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > Om Namo Naraayanaya

> > -----------------

> > Dear ~Jaiho,

> > See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will have more

> bearing on the person in this life.

> >

> > Same with Kanataka Sani.

> >

> > Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the Sun.

> >

> > Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara, and other

> authors.

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > Shashank Gupta

> > sjvc

> > Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> sani

> >

> > Dear Visti and Ash,

> >

> > Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says --

> >

> > "All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> (Mind, Spirit

> > and Physical Body"

> >

> > I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen from Moon

> only. Checking it from moon, sun and lagna will make life difficult

> for natives who have sun and moon in different houses but not in

> lagna.

> >

> > pls clarify.

> >

> > ~Jaiho

> >

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > sjvc

> > Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

> > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> sani

> >

> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > ------------------------

> ---

> > Dear Ash,

> > Brilliant!

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > ashsam73

> > sjvc

> > Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

> > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> sani

> >

> > Dear Suresh,

> >

> > When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd house

> it is called

> > Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit

> these house.

> > Now Check the AV strength of Shani. If it has less

> than 3 bindus and

> > if any planet is giving 0 points in Sarvashatakavarga

> table for the

> > 12th house then the effect of shani will be felt very

> severely.

> > Lower the bindu of shani the higher the effect will

> be. The reason

> > for this is that that for eg. if Shani has 1 bindu in

> AV, it means

> > that only 1 planet or lagna is helping it so the

> other planets are

> > not favouring shani (or opposing its natural

> tendencies to delay or

> > depart a person) hence in the significance of that

> planet shani cant

> > cause havoc. If shani has 3 bindus or greater the

> effect will be

> > felt but it will be way better that shani having 1

> bindu.

> > Check the strenght of shani for its results.

> >

> > As you know that the natural tendency of Shani is to

> delay matters,

> > so apply yourself for the other houses. In the 8th

> house it is in

> > the house of longetivity for lagna, so depending on

> the strength of

> > Shani, lagna etc it may cause problems. 4th house is

> that of Sukha

> > sthan and Shani in 4th can delay or deny or depart the

> signifhcance

> > of 4th house etc etc....

> >

> > All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and

> Lagna, (Mind, Spirit

> > and Physical Body).

> >

> > Hope that helps,

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > sjvc, suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Pranam Gurudev,

> > > I read in one article regarding aspect of Sani that

> > > "When sani resides in 12th, 1st and 2nd house it is

> 7 1/2 Sani,

> > when in the fourth house its Arthastama Sani, When in

> the 8th house

> > it is Asthama Sani. So I wish to know whether these

> houses are

> > calculated from Lagna or Moon rasi? and What is the

> effect of 7 1/2

> > Sani and Khandaka Sani?

> > > I expect reply from you,

> > > Suresh

> > >

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April 29, 2002

dear ash,

i respect your thoughts but probably we have taken different path .........

we were discussing whether to see sade sathi from moon or from lagna, sun

and moon....

Sanjay sir has cleared this issue in his earlier mail. As name implies

Sanjay sir can see what we blind people cant see in this *mahabhartha*.

~Jaiho

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<sjvc>

Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:50 PM

[sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> Dear Shashank,

> By general psychology of a human, no one wants to face struggle all

> their lives and I absolutely agree with you. On the same token they

> want to make their lives more comfortable and this fact I guess goes

> thru all Yugas, including Kali. If there was no Shani then there

> would not be a challenging environment and we would not evolve

> through the times.

> A simple anology : When its too hot, humans invented the Air

> conditioner. When its too cold, humans invented the heater, so

> makeing a long story short, Without Shani we would not evolve.

>

> Why are you only looking at Sade Sati. Shani is traversing all 12

> signs and is going to put forward challenging conditions in

> different aspects of life. The astrologers have given a name for a

> subset where it highlights troublesome areas when shani transits

> 12,1st,2nd houses from moon and 1st house from Lagna and Arudha

> lagna. Similarly for Kantaka Shani (Thorn). They have corelated

> Kantaka term to show at a glance of the effects of shani when it is

> traversing 8th from lagna ?

>

> Shashank, Don't be under the impression that Sade Sati is the only

> place to watch out Shani's influence and challenge in a chart, he is

> there and is traversing through all 12 houses and he has 3 Graha

> dristi so just apply yourself and things will get clear.

>

> Thaking you for listening,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > i completely agree with you. ......struggle makes person more

> mature and

> > cogent in his thoughts but who will like to struggle for whole life

> > time..........i guess am clear this time.......we dont want saturn

> > (struggle.......sade sati) to rule our life.

> >

> > ~Jaiho

> >

> > -

> > "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...>

> > <sjvc>

> > Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:01 PM

> > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> >

> > > Dear Shashank,

> > >

> > > Shani by its nature is Malefic, and cause delays in events.

> > > Sometimes Aspect of Shani may not be bad, as it can even Delay

> Death.

> > > Shani can also be a great blessing.

> > > Shani tends to delay matters by its Graha Dristi. Let us take

> Shani

> > > in 12th. Shani in 12th aspects 2nd house (wealth, family etc),

> 6th

> > > house (individuality, status, etc) and 9th house (luck, father,

> etc)

> > > When Shani transits 12th house then Matters regarding these are

> > > delayed.

> > > When we consider aspect of Sade Sati over moon sign we are seeing

> > > its effect on Mana and how mana reacts to the delays, pressures

> > > etc. Also check for the 6th house and Lagna strength to see how

> the

> > > native reacts and how strong is his individuality to face those

> > > problems. Everything is inter related. If a person does not

> have

> > > the strenght to face the problems.. then he may attempt suicide

> etc,

> > > but if a person is strong and strong willed person then he will

> take

> > > it in his stride, learn from the experience and will be a better

> > > person in the long run. I guess that is why they say that Shani

> is

> > > the greatest teacher.

> > > I said check the events from Sun that is what I was trying to

> get at

> > > to check the spirit of the person and from langa was how physical

> > > body reacts.

> > >

> > > There was in interesting anicdote that I had read somewhere.

> > > "When there is a storm, some people run and take shelter, whereas

> > > some build a windmill".

> > >

> > > On the Same grounds, Do people not get married during Sade Sati,

> or

> > > get job promotions or have children ? If they do then there is

> much

> > > more to just the transit of Saturn over 12th, 1st and 2nd house.

> > >

> > > Ponder over this, and I shall do the same and when I have some

> > > information on the same I will write more.

> > >

> > > These were just my thoughts.

> > >

> > > If I have caused any confusion, then I am sorry for the same.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > because transits are to be seen from moon and sade sathi is

> > > transit phenomenon of saturn........i guess sade sathi is to be

> seen

> > > only from moon.......

> > > >

> > > > lets say moon is 4th house for a particular

> person..........and he

> > > is running sade sathi (seeing from lagna)......as soon as sade

> sathi

> > > ends .....another 71/2 cycle of saturn will start (now from

> > > moon)..............15 years of continous suffering.......then we

> > > have kanataka sani both from moon and lagna ...........when will

> > > this suffering end ..........it means transit of saturn is always

> > > bad..........only god can save us from saturn........as sanjay ji

> > > pointed out in his previous mail ......this is KALI

> yug ........we

> > > have to suffer.......eagerly waiting for last *avatar* of lord

> > > vishnu.......only he can save us

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > ~Jaiho

> > > > -

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > sjvc

> > > > Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

> > > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> > > >

> > > > Om Namo Naraayanaya

> > > > -----------------

> > > > Dear ~Jaiho,

> > > > See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will have more

> > > bearing on the person in this life.

> > > >

> > > > Same with Kanataka Sani.

> > > >

> > > > Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the Sun.

> > > >

> > > > Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara, and other

> > > authors.

> > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > > -

> > > > Shashank Gupta

> > > > sjvc

> > > > Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

> > > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> sani

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti and Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says --

> > > >

> > > > "All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> > > (Mind, Spirit

> > > > and Physical Body"

> > > >

> > > > I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen from Moon

> > > only. Checking it from moon, sun and lagna will make life

> difficult

> > > for natives who have sun and moon in different houses but not in

> > > lagna.

> > > >

> > > > pls clarify.

> > > >

> > > > ~Jaiho

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > sjvc

> > > > Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

> > > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> sani

> > > >

> > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > > > ------------------------

> ---

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > Brilliant!

> > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > > -

> > > > ashsam73

> > > > sjvc

> > > > Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

> > > > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> sani

> > > >

> > > > Dear Suresh,

> > > >

> > > > When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd house

> it

> > > is called

> > > > Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit

> these

> > > house.

> > > > Now Check the AV strength of Shani. If it has less

> than 3

> > > bindus and

> > > > if any planet is giving 0 points in Sarvashatakavarga

> > > table for the

> > > > 12th house then the effect of shani will be felt very

> > > severely.

> > > > Lower the bindu of shani the higher the effect will be.

> > > The reason

> > > > for this is that that for eg. if Shani has 1 bindu in

> AV,

> > > it means

> > > > that only 1 planet or lagna is helping it so the other

> > > planets are

> > > > not favouring shani (or opposing its natural

> tendencies to

> > > delay or

> > > > depart a person) hence in the significance of that

> planet

> > > shani cant

> > > > cause havoc. If shani has 3 bindus or greater the

> effect

> > > will be

> > > > felt but it will be way better that shani having 1

> bindu.

> > > > Check the strenght of shani for its results.

> > > >

> > > > As you know that the natural tendency of Shani is to

> delay

> > > matters,

> > > > so apply yourself for the other houses. In the 8th

> house

> > > it is in

> > > > the house of longetivity for lagna, so depending on the

> > > strength of

> > > > Shani, lagna etc it may cause problems. 4th house is

> that

> > > of Sukha

> > > > sthan and Shani in 4th can delay or deny or depart the

> > > signifhcance

> > > > of 4th house etc etc....

> > > >

> > > > All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> > > (Mind, Spirit

> > > > and Physical Body).

> > > >

> > > > Hope that helps,

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > sjvc, suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pranam Gurudev,

> > > > > I read in one article regarding aspect of Sani that

> > > > > "When sani resides in 12th, 1st and 2nd house it is 7

> > > 1/2 Sani,

> > > > when in the fourth house its Arthastama Sani, When in

> the

> > > 8th house

> > > > it is Asthama Sani. So I wish to know whether these

> > > houses are

> > > > calculated from Lagna or Moon rasi? and What is the

> effect

> > > of 7 1/2

> > > > Sani and Khandaka Sani?

> > > > > I expect reply from you,

> > > > > Suresh

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April 29, 2002

Dear Gurudev,

Pranam,

I am blessed by your answer. Thank you.

Gurudev, I guess I am trying to say the same thing all Im trying to

do is relate it to Ashtakavarga.

If Shani is strong (cummulative Ashtakavarga strength) and if its the

lord of 6th or 10th house upachaya house from the 7th house from

Lagna or if it is strong (AV strength again cummulative) then Shani

can furnish marriage. This would happen for Libra, Scorpio,

Capricorn or Pisces Ascendent, where Shani rules either 4th or 12th

house from lagna and is upachaya for 7th house. In such cases Shani

would furnish Marriage.

I do know that your lagna is Pisces so Shani could furnish Marriage,

the quality you are correct is a differnt topic altogether.

I hope that I am making progress.

IF there is any flaw in my thinking please feel free to correct me

and point out my mistakes like you always do .

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

sjvc, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> ------------------------

> Dear Ash

> Sade Sati actually occurs over each Graha. {THINK..} and what

matters is 'what does it represent' and what are its implications. If

for example, Moon is in Capricorn/Aquarius or in some manner related

to Saturn, then Sade sati can give marriage. In fact those people who

are spiritual and have always thought about renunciation etc are the

ones to get married during sade sati. Those people who were thinking

of happiness and marital bliss etc get the opposite. The moot point

is that either way the people DO NOT GET WHAT THEY WANT. Net result

is that they are sad.

> Best Regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> -

> "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...>

> <sjvc>

> Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:01 PM

> [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

>

> > Dear Shashank,

> >

> > Shani by its nature is Malefic, and cause delays in events.

> > Sometimes Aspect of Shani may not be bad, as it can even Delay

Death.

> > Shani can also be a great blessing.

> > Shani tends to delay matters by its Graha Dristi. Let us take

Shani

> > in 12th. Shani in 12th aspects 2nd house (wealth, family etc),

6th

> > house (individuality, status, etc) and 9th house (luck, father,

etc)

> > When Shani transits 12th house then Matters regarding these are

> > delayed.

> > When we consider aspect of Sade Sati over moon sign we are seeing

> > its effect on Mana and how mana reacts to the delays, pressures

> > etc. Also check for the 6th house and Lagna strength to see how

the

> > native reacts and how strong is his individuality to face those

> > problems. Everything is inter related. If a person does not

have

> > the strenght to face the problems.. then he may attempt suicide

etc,

> > but if a person is strong and strong willed person then he will

take

> > it in his stride, learn from the experience and will be a better

> > person in the long run. I guess that is why they say that Shani

is

> > the greatest teacher.

> > I said check the events from Sun that is what I was trying to get

at

> > to check the spirit of the person and from langa was how physical

> > body reacts.

> >

> > There was in interesting anicdote that I had read somewhere.

> > "When there is a storm, some people run and take shelter, whereas

> > some build a windmill".

> >

> > On the Same grounds, Do people not get married during Sade Sati,

or

> > get job promotions or have children ? If they do then there is

much

> > more to just the transit of Saturn over 12th, 1st and 2nd house.

> >

> > Ponder over this, and I shall do the same and when I have some

> > information on the same I will write more.

> >

> > These were just my thoughts.

> >

> > If I have caused any confusion, then I am sorry for the same.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > because transits are to be seen from moon and sade sathi is

> > transit phenomenon of saturn........i guess sade sathi is to be

seen

> > only from moon.......

> > >

> > > lets say moon is 4th house for a particular person..........and

he

> > is running sade sathi (seeing from lagna)......as soon as sade

sathi

> > ends .....another 71/2 cycle of saturn will start (now from

> > moon)..............15 years of continous suffering.......then we

> > have kanataka sani both from moon and lagna ...........when will

> > this suffering end ..........it means transit of saturn is always

> > bad..........only god can save us from saturn........as sanjay ji

> > pointed out in his previous mail ......this is KALI

yug ........we

> > have to suffer.......eagerly waiting for last *avatar* of lord

> > vishnu.......only he can save us

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > ~Jaiho

> > > -

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > sjvc

> > > Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

> > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> > >

> > > Om Namo Naraayanaya

> > > -----------------

> > > Dear ~Jaiho,

> > > See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will have more

> > bearing on the person in this life.

> > >

> > > Same with Kanataka Sani.

> > >

> > > Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the Sun.

> > >

> > > Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara, and other

> > authors.

> > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > -

> > > Shashank Gupta

> > > sjvc

> > > Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

> > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

sani

> > >

> > > Dear Visti and Ash,

> > >

> > > Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says --

> > >

> > > "All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> > (Mind, Spirit

> > > and Physical Body"

> > >

> > > I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen from Moon

> > only. Checking it from moon, sun and lagna will make life

difficult

> > for natives who have sun and moon in different houses but not in

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > pls clarify.

> > >

> > > ~Jaiho

> > >

> > > -

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > sjvc

> > > Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

> > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

sani

> > >

> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > > -------------------------

--

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > Brilliant!

> > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > -

> > > ashsam73

> > > sjvc

> > > Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

> > > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

sani

> > >

> > > Dear Suresh,

> > >

> > > When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd house

it

> > is called

> > > Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit

these

> > house.

> > > Now Check the AV strength of Shani. If it has less

than 3

> > bindus and

> > > if any planet is giving 0 points in Sarvashatakavarga

> > table for the

> > > 12th house then the effect of shani will be felt very

> > severely.

> > > Lower the bindu of shani the higher the effect will

be.

> > The reason

> > > for this is that that for eg. if Shani has 1 bindu in

AV,

> > it means

> > > that only 1 planet or lagna is helping it so the other

> > planets are

> > > not favouring shani (or opposing its natural tendencies

to

> > delay or

> > > depart a person) hence in the significance of that

planet

> > shani cant

> > > cause havoc. If shani has 3 bindus or greater the

effect

> > will be

> > > felt but it will be way better that shani having 1

bindu.

> > > Check the strenght of shani for its results.

> > >

> > > As you know that the natural tendency of Shani is to

delay

> > matters,

> > > so apply yourself for the other houses. In the 8th

house

> > it is in

> > > the house of longetivity for lagna, so depending on the

> > strength of

> > > Shani, lagna etc it may cause problems. 4th house is

that

> > of Sukha

> > > sthan and Shani in 4th can delay or deny or depart the

> > signifhcance

> > > of 4th house etc etc....

> > >

> > > All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> > (Mind, Spirit

> > > and Physical Body).

> > >

> > > Hope that helps,

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > sjvc, suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pranam Gurudev,

> > > > I read in one article regarding aspect of Sani that

> > > > "When sani resides in 12th, 1st and 2nd house it is 7

> > 1/2 Sani,

> > > when in the fourth house its Arthastama Sani, When in

the

> > 8th house

> > > it is Asthama Sani. So I wish to know whether these

> > houses are

> > > calculated from Lagna or Moon rasi? and What is the

effect

> > of 7 1/2

> > > Sani and Khandaka Sani?

> > > > I expect reply from you,

> > > > Suresh

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April 29, 2002

Dear Shashank,

Thank you. Yes Gurudev has clarifed this. Which I have mentioned in

my write up.

Anyways this was a very refreshing exchange and a very good learning

experience for me atleast.

Cheers !!!

Ash

sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> dear ash,

>

> i respect your thoughts but probably we have taken different

path .........

> we were discussing whether to see sade sathi from moon or from

lagna, sun

> and moon....

>

> Sanjay sir has cleared this issue in his earlier mail. As name

implies

> Sanjay sir can see what we blind people cant see in this

*mahabhartha*.

>

> ~Jaiho

>

> -

> "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...>

> <sjvc>

> Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:50 PM

> [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

>

> > Dear Shashank,

> > By general psychology of a human, no one wants to face struggle

all

> > their lives and I absolutely agree with you. On the same token

they

> > want to make their lives more comfortable and this fact I guess

goes

> > thru all Yugas, including Kali. If there was no Shani then there

> > would not be a challenging environment and we would not evolve

> > through the times.

> > A simple anology : When its too hot, humans invented the Air

> > conditioner. When its too cold, humans invented the heater, so

> > makeing a long story short, Without Shani we would not evolve.

> >

> > Why are you only looking at Sade Sati. Shani is traversing all 12

> > signs and is going to put forward challenging conditions in

> > different aspects of life. The astrologers have given a name for

a

> > subset where it highlights troublesome areas when shani transits

> > 12,1st,2nd houses from moon and 1st house from Lagna and Arudha

> > lagna. Similarly for Kantaka Shani (Thorn). They have corelated

> > Kantaka term to show at a glance of the effects of shani when it

is

> > traversing 8th from lagna ?

> >

> > Shashank, Don't be under the impression that Sade Sati is the only

> > place to watch out Shani's influence and challenge in a chart, he

is

> > there and is traversing through all 12 houses and he has 3 Graha

> > dristi so just apply yourself and things will get clear.

> >

> > Thaking you for listening,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > i completely agree with you. ......struggle makes person more

> > mature and

> > > cogent in his thoughts but who will like to struggle for whole

life

> > > time..........i guess am clear this time.......we dont want

saturn

> > > (struggle.......sade sati) to rule our life.

> > >

> > > ~Jaiho

> > >

> > > -

> > > "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...>

> > > <sjvc>

> > > Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:01 PM

> > > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> > >

> > > > Dear Shashank,

> > > >

> > > > Shani by its nature is Malefic, and cause delays in events.

> > > > Sometimes Aspect of Shani may not be bad, as it can even Delay

> > Death.

> > > > Shani can also be a great blessing.

> > > > Shani tends to delay matters by its Graha Dristi. Let us take

> > Shani

> > > > in 12th. Shani in 12th aspects 2nd house (wealth, family

etc),

> > 6th

> > > > house (individuality, status, etc) and 9th house (luck,

father,

> > etc)

> > > > When Shani transits 12th house then Matters regarding these

are

> > > > delayed.

> > > > When we consider aspect of Sade Sati over moon sign we are

seeing

> > > > its effect on Mana and how mana reacts to the delays,

pressures

> > > > etc. Also check for the 6th house and Lagna strength to see

how

> > the

> > > > native reacts and how strong is his individuality to face

those

> > > > problems. Everything is inter related. If a person does not

> > have

> > > > the strenght to face the problems.. then he may attempt

suicide

> > etc,

> > > > but if a person is strong and strong willed person then he

will

> > take

> > > > it in his stride, learn from the experience and will be a

better

> > > > person in the long run. I guess that is why they say that

Shani

> > is

> > > > the greatest teacher.

> > > > I said check the events from Sun that is what I was trying to

> > get at

> > > > to check the spirit of the person and from langa was how

physical

> > > > body reacts.

> > > >

> > > > There was in interesting anicdote that I had read somewhere.

> > > > "When there is a storm, some people run and take shelter,

whereas

> > > > some build a windmill".

> > > >

> > > > On the Same grounds, Do people not get married during Sade

Sati,

> > or

> > > > get job promotions or have children ? If they do then there

is

> > much

> > > > more to just the transit of Saturn over 12th, 1st and 2nd

house.

> > > >

> > > > Ponder over this, and I shall do the same and when I have some

> > > > information on the same I will write more.

> > > >

> > > > These were just my thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > If I have caused any confusion, then I am sorry for the same.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > sjvc, "Shashank Gupta" <shashankmail@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > >

> > > > > because transits are to be seen from moon and sade sathi is

> > > > transit phenomenon of saturn........i guess sade sathi is to

be

> > seen

> > > > only from moon.......

> > > > >

> > > > > lets say moon is 4th house for a particular

> > person..........and he

> > > > is running sade sathi (seeing from lagna)......as soon as sade

> > sathi

> > > > ends .....another 71/2 cycle of saturn will start (now from

> > > > moon)..............15 years of continous suffering.......then

we

> > > > have kanataka sani both from moon and lagna ...........when

will

> > > > this suffering end ..........it means transit of saturn is

always

> > > > bad..........only god can save us from saturn........as

sanjay ji

> > > > pointed out in his previous mail ......this is KALI

> > yug ........we

> > > > have to suffer.......eagerly waiting for last *avatar* of lord

> > > > vishnu.......only he can save us

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > ~Jaiho

> > > > > -

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > sjvc

> > > > > Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:50 PM

> > > > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

sani

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namo Naraayanaya

> > > > > -----------------

> > > > > Dear ~Jaiho,

> > > > > See Sade Sathi from Lagna and Moon.. these will have more

> > > > bearing on the person in this life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Same with Kanataka Sani.

> > > > >

> > > > > Very rarely do we respond to the Sade Sathi on the Sun.

> > > > >

> > > > > Study the Solar & Lunar Yogas given by Parasara, and other

> > > > authors.

> > > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > > > -

> > > > > Shashank Gupta

> > > > > sjvc

> > > > > Friday, April 26, 2002 8:48 PM

> > > > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> > sani

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Visti and Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > Explanation given by Ash is brilliant but he says --

> > > > >

> > > > > "All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and Lagna,

> > > > (Mind, Spirit

> > > > > and Physical Body"

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been taught that sade sati is to be seen from

Moon

> > > > only. Checking it from moon, sun and lagna will make life

> > difficult

> > > > for natives who have sun and moon in different houses but not

in

> > > > lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > pls clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > ~Jaiho

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > > sjvc

> > > > > Friday, April 26, 2002 1:53 PM

> > > > > Re: [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani &

Kandaka

> > sani

> > > > >

> > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> > > > > ---------------------

---

> > ---

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > Brilliant!

> > > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > > > -

> > > > > ashsam73

> > > > > sjvc

> > > > > Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:49 PM

> > > > > [sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka

> > sani

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suresh,

> > > > >

> > > > > When Shani is transitting the 12th, 1st and 2nd

house

> > it

> > > > is called

> > > > > Sade Sati or 7.5 years that Shani takes to transit

> > these

> > > > house.

> > > > > Now Check the AV strength of Shani. If it has less

> > than 3

> > > > bindus and

> > > > > if any planet is giving 0 points in

Sarvashatakavarga

> > > > table for the

> > > > > 12th house then the effect of shani will be felt

very

> > > > severely.

> > > > > Lower the bindu of shani the higher the effect will

be.

> > > > The reason

> > > > > for this is that that for eg. if Shani has 1 bindu

in

> > AV,

> > > > it means

> > > > > that only 1 planet or lagna is helping it so the

other

> > > > planets are

> > > > > not favouring shani (or opposing its natural

> > tendencies to

> > > > delay or

> > > > > depart a person) hence in the significance of that

> > planet

> > > > shani cant

> > > > > cause havoc. If shani has 3 bindus or greater the

> > effect

> > > > will be

> > > > > felt but it will be way better that shani having 1

> > bindu.

> > > > > Check the strenght of shani for its results.

> > > > >

> > > > > As you know that the natural tendency of Shani is to

> > delay

> > > > matters,

> > > > > so apply yourself for the other houses. In the 8th

> > house

> > > > it is in

> > > > > the house of longetivity for lagna, so depending on

the

> > > > strength of

> > > > > Shani, lagna etc it may cause problems. 4th house

is

> > that

> > > > of Sukha

> > > > > sthan and Shani in 4th can delay or deny or depart

the

> > > > signifhcance

> > > > > of 4th house etc etc....

> > > > >

> > > > > All results are to be studied from Moon, Sun and

Lagna,

> > > > (Mind, Spirit

> > > > > and Physical Body).

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that helps,

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > sjvc, suresh sivan <sureshshiv1960>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pranam Gurudev,

> > > > > > I read in one article regarding aspect of Sani

that

> > > > > > "When sani resides in 12th, 1st and 2nd house it

is 7

> > > > 1/2 Sani,

> > > > > when in the fourth house its Arthastama Sani, When

in

> > the

> > > > 8th house

> > > > > it is Asthama Sani. So I wish to know whether these

> > > > houses are

> > > > > calculated from Lagna or Moon rasi? and What is the

> > effect

> > > > of 7 1/2

> > > > > Sani and Khandaka Sani?

> > > > > > I expect reply from you,

> > > > > > Suresh

> > > > > >

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> >

April 29, 2002

Om Gurave Namah

------------------------

Dear Venkateshwara,

The problem is in the very definition of the english word 'Science' which has

come to mean 'accepted or logically proven facts which are measurable or

conceptually perceivable'. Problem starts when we translate a word like

'Shastra' to mean 'Science'. English is a very limited language meant for

general communication. It has the ability to grow and so many words we use today

will become a part of it. So, no point in arguing about this. From the present

definiton of Science (which many will disagree with), we cannot define God and

cannot measure Him. So, how can we say that Hora Shastra is a science. Shastra

is better interpreted as 'logically ordered body of knowledge'.

In any case, at present this argument is fruitless and let us get on with the

work of Jyotish and pray that it is accepted as a disciplene in colleges etc.

Best Regards,

Sanjay Rath

Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

-

"venkateshwara_reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy

<sjvc>

Monday, April 29, 2002 4:47 AM

[sjvc] Re: query about 7 1/2 Sani & Kandaka sani

> Dear Shashank, Ash and respected members:

>

> > Jyotish is a science with intution (Art) and belief.

>

> Jyotisha is SCIENCE, but wont fit into The framework of Duality Logic.

> Our mindset in India is contaminated by these INCOMPLETE logical

> systems. It is time to induce our Veda-s, Shaastra-s, PuraaNas in the

> present school system. Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi is trying to that.

> But our slaves to Indology, collected by tribes Max Muller et al had

> done enough in this modern texts in this school. We would have been

> in better position, if we were studied Tarka(Vedic Logic) et al.

>

> > You are

> > touching on a long debate on fate vs free will. What is written in

> > the chart v/s what can be changed by our karma during this life

> > time. And how much ?

>

> Pls. read the article by Sanjay

>

> http://www.sjvcusa.org/Articles/Freewill.htm

>

> > If you are a man of science and beleive in science then why is it

>

> THese present day Sciences are self-correcting.Why? Why are not they

> perfect?. This is due to limitations(Asuri) imposed by the finite

> formal systems. We usally see tons of contradictions in these so-

> called Sciences. Somebody say something on yesterday might not be

> TRUE in the long run. This is the Science, we studied in the schools

> (irrespective of where you study, which is dominated by western, as

> opposed to Guru kulam), is just wastge of time, like 18 years in my

> case. How many of us, who use IBM machines are aware of IBM founder?.

> Still, we are remembering Rama, Kr`sna, Paras'ara, Valmiki, Jaimini,