Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 Om Gurave namaH ================ Namaste everyone, I was analyzing my chart for Ishta Devata and had a couple of questions. My thanks to Narahari who helped me start off with this. Actually, though I am not able to attend the meetings for the Bangalore study group (as I am now in California), Narahari has always kept me updated. (Please see my attached chart) My atmakaraka is Mars. My karakamsa is Cancer. So, 12th from that is Gemini. There are no planets there. But, the Lord is mercury. So, Vishnu represents my Ishta. Now, for the questions: 1)Narahari pointed out that, the rasi aspects draw one to the Ishta. Am I right in saying that Saturn aspects Gemini? Saturn represents the common man, right? So, does that mean the common man will lead me to my Ishta???? But, what does that mean? 2) Narhari also pointed out that Vishnu is not the same as Narayana. I always thought that they were the same. What then is the difference? 3) What is mantra pada? I hope the Gurus and others can help me in finding my answers. regards, vishwa. ====================================================================== Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Vishwa.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 Dear Vishwa, Reg. your Ishta Devata, with Mercury at 9.22GE, ie first drekkana, Sri Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama will be more appropriate. Q#1. Take karakatwa represented by SA to identify who will guide you to your Ishta, Common man is one karakatwa, also consider followers, servants, subordinates, setbacks & sorrows. However, chara karakatwa is more important as this is specific to your chart - in your case SA is Purta Karaka, again representing subordinates, followers, servants etc., in addition to children. I will skip your Q#2, leaving it to Gurus to answer. Q#3. Mantra pada is the Arudha of 5th house which, in your Rasi as well as Navamsa charts, is Gemini. With best wishes, Shailesh - Vishwa Krishnamurthy sjvc Friday, April 26, 2002 12:02 PM [sjvc] ishta devata Om Gurave namaH================Namaste everyone,I was analyzing my chart for Ishta Devata and had a couple of questions. Mythanks to Narahari who helped me start off with this. Actually, though I amnot able to attend the meetings for the Bangalore study group (as I am nowin California), Narahari has always kept me updated.(Please see my attached chart)My atmakaraka is Mars.My karakamsa is Cancer. So, 12th from that is Gemini. There are no planetsthere. But, the Lord is mercury. So, Vishnu represents my Ishta.Now, for the questions:1)Narahari pointed out that, the rasi aspects draw one to the Ishta. Am Iright in saying that Saturn aspects Gemini? Saturn represents the commonman, right? So, does that mean the common man will lead me to my Ishta????But, what does that mean?2) Narhari also pointed out that Vishnu is not the same as Narayana. Ialways thought that they were the same. What then is the difference?3) What is mantra pada?I hope the Gurus and others can help me in finding my answers.regards,vishwa.======================================================================Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org_______________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4and no minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/XUWolB/TM---~->Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear Vishwa, > My atmakaraka is Mars. > My karakamsa is Cancer. So, 12th from that is Gemini. There are no planets > there. But, the Lord is mercury. So, Vishnu represents my Ishta. > > Now, for the questions: > 1)Narahari pointed out that, the rasi aspects draw one to the Ishta. Am I > right in saying that Saturn aspects Gemini? Saturn represents the common > man, right? So, does that mean the common man will lead me to my Ishta???? > But, what does that mean? Rath:Maybe, cannot rule outthe option of elder brother, elders in the family and all elderly people in general as a source of guidance to the ista. Check the karakatwa of Saturn for more info on this. > 2) Narhari also pointed out that Vishnu is not the same as Narayana. I > always thought that they were the same. What then is the difference? Rath: Just different forms, one for the younger generation full of energy (Mercury) who need a form and need to accept that He is everywhere, i.e. Sarva Vyapakeshwara Devata - Vishnu or 'All is God' and the other the older man who has realised that 'God is all' including all that which we cannot perceive. Jaimini does not differentiate and says 'Vishnu' for both Mercury and Saturn in the 12th from Karakamsa. > 3) What is mantra pada? Rath: Arudhapada of the fifth house. This is where the situation for receiving a mantra is created when Jupiter transits and aspects. If the aspect to A5 is Graha drishti, there is a desire and the mantra will not be very successful but if there is Rasi drishti from Guru in transit then the mantra will be very useful. If Rasi drishti is also there in the natal chart, then it is all the more better. The type of music that will make the mind strong and brave against all odds is seen from the strongest planet in mantrapada. If the Moon is present, then the native shall like music that soothes whereas a Mars in mantrapada makes a person like the drum beat like in soldiers marching...there is more to the mantrapada. > I hope the Gurus and others can help me in finding my answers. > > regards, > vishwa. Namaste Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 Om Gurave namaH ================ Dear Shailesh, Thanks a lot for your response. I have learnt a lot. The significance of Saturn's aspects make so much more sense to me now. You said that in my case the incarnation of Rama would be more appropriate. Do different drekannas then indicate different incarnations of Vishnu to be worshipped if Mercury represents the ishta? Is this true for all planets? Actually, what does mantra pada by itself indicate? Does it indicate the mantra to be chanted? Could this ever be different from the mantra of the ishta devata to be chanted? By the way, Sri Rama has been my ishta devata since childhood. So, I was really excited when I read that Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama should be worshipped by me. I shall continue to read the Valmiki Ramayana and sing the glories of Sri Rama and his greatest devotee Sri Hanuman! "ApadAm apahartAram dAtAram sarva sampadAm. lokAbhirAmam shri rAmam bhUyo bhUyo namAmyaham." regards, vishwa. >"Shailesh" <scchadha >sjvc ><sjvc> >Re: [sjvc] ishta devata >Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:26:27 +0530 > >Dear Vishwa, > >Reg. your Ishta Devata, with Mercury at 9.22GE, ie first drekkana, Sri >Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama will be more appropriate. > >Q#1. >Take karakatwa represented by SA to identify who will guide you to your >Ishta, Common man is one karakatwa, also consider followers, servants, >subordinates, setbacks & sorrows. > >However, chara karakatwa is more important as this is specific to your >chart - in your case SA is Purta Karaka, again representing subordinates, >followers, servants etc., in addition to children. > >I will skip your Q#2, leaving it to Gurus to answer. > >Q#3. >Mantra pada is the Arudha of 5th house which, in your Rasi as well as >Navamsa charts, is Gemini. > >With best wishes, > >Shailesh ====================================================================== Interested in Sanskrit? Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 Dear Vishwa, Sanjay ji has personally clarified your queries and given you detailed explanations reg. Mantra Pada & difference between Narayana & Vishnu. The indication on Ishta Devata changing with drekanna occupied by a planet in Rasi chart is peculiar to Mercury. As per Sanjay ji's teaching, if ME is in 1st Drekanna, Sri Rama is indicated, else Shri Krishna - both are incarnations of Sri Vishnu. As to your natural attraction to Shri Ram - well that is exactly what Sanjay ji has been teaching - one is naturally drawn towards Ishta Devata, lucky are those who find their Ishta Devata early the life. Best wishes, Shailesh - Vishwa Krishnamurthy sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:35 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Gurave namaH================Dear Shailesh,Thanks a lot for your response. I have learnt a lot. The significance ofSaturn's aspects make so much more sense to me now.You said that in my case the incarnation of Rama would be more appropriate.Do different drekannas then indicate different incarnations of Vishnu to beworshipped if Mercury represents the ishta? Is this true for all planets?Actually, what does mantra pada by itself indicate? Does it indicate themantra to be chanted? Could this ever be different from the mantra of theishta devata to be chanted?By the way, Sri Rama has been my ishta devata since childhood. So, I wasreally excited when I read that Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama should beworshipped by me. I shall continue to read the Valmiki Ramayana and sing theglories of Sri Rama and his greatest devotee Sri Hanuman!"ApadAm apahartAram dAtAram sarva sampadAm.lokAbhirAmam shri rAmam bhUyo bhUyo namAmyaham."regards,vishwa.>"Shailesh" <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>sjvc>To: <sjvc>>Re: [sjvc] ishta devata>Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:26:27 +0530>>Dear Vishwa,>>Reg. your Ishta Devata, with Mercury at 9.22GE, ie first drekkana, Sri>Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama will be more appropriate.>>Q#1.>Take karakatwa represented by SA to identify who will guide you to your>Ishta, Common man is one karakatwa, also consider followers, servants,>subordinates, setbacks & sorrows.>>However, chara karakatwa is more important as this is specific to your>chart - in your case SA is Purta Karaka, again representing subordinates,>followers, servants etc., in addition to children.>>I will skip your Q#2, leaving it to Gurus to answer.>>Q#3.>Mantra pada is the Arudha of 5th house which, in your Rasi as well as>Navamsa charts, is Gemini.>>With best wishes,>>Shailesh======================================================================Interested in Sanskrit? Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org_______________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4and no minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/XUWolB/TM---~->Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Dear Sanjay Guru, Thanks a lot for your response. Before I sent out this email I was very afraid wondering if I were doing a right thing. I was afraid that I was asking silly questions. But now, I am glad I asked them. I have really learnt a lot. >Rath:Maybe, cannot rule outthe option of elder brother, elders in the > >family and all elderly people in general as a source of guidance to >the >ista. Check the karakatwa of Saturn for more info on this. Regarding the karakatwa of Saturn you are right Sanjay Guru. I developed my liking for Sri Rama thro' my mother and grandmother. And also, I think it is "fear" which again I believe is represented by Saturn. From my childhood days, I suffered from stammering whenever I was afraid. I believed that God would help me everytime I wanted to speak. And since, I learnt about the compassionate nature of Sri Rama when I was young, I always felt He would understand my situation and help me out. >Rath: Just different forms, one for the younger generation full of >energy >(Mercury) who need a form and need to accept that He is >everywhere, i.e. >Sarva Vyapakeshwara Devata - Vishnu or 'All is God' >and the other the >older man who has realised that 'God is all' >including all that which we >cannot perceive. This was the question I was most afraid to ask. But, now I understand the difference between the two. >Rath: Arudhapada of the fifth house. This is where the situation for > >receiving a mantra is created when Jupiter transits and aspects. Sanjay Guru, does Mantra pada signify only "when" the mantra is to be given? Or does it also signify "what" Mantra is to be given. I would think that the Mantra to be given would also depend on the individual's Ishta Devata. Am I right? regards, vishwa. ====================================================================== Interested in Sanskrit? Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Om Namo Naraayanaya ---------------- Dear Shailesh, Heres what Harihara states about the various drekkana of Mercury; Movable or Dual Signs; Sri Vishnu* 1st & 2nd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Krishna Avatara 3rd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Vishnu* * = In case of Vishnu, one must check the grahas influencing or dispositing Mercury to determine exactly which avatara of Vishnu. i.e. 12th from My Karakamsa(Ak-Rahu) is lorded by Mercury. In Rasi Mercury is in the Movable sign of Libra. Mercury is joined with Jupiter in Libra. This indicates Vamana Avatara. There is however an exception in my chart due to Kala Amrita Yoga, Ketus position in Navamsa should be considered as Karakamsa, hence Vishnu in supreme form(Jupiter) is more acurate for now. Best wishes, Visti. - Shailesh sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:39 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Dear Vishwa, Sanjay ji has personally clarified your queries and given you detailed explanations reg. Mantra Pada & difference between Narayana & Vishnu. The indication on Ishta Devata changing with drekanna occupied by a planet in Rasi chart is peculiar to Mercury. As per Sanjay ji's teaching, if ME is in 1st Drekanna, Sri Rama is indicated, else Shri Krishna - both are incarnations of Sri Vishnu. As to your natural attraction to Shri Ram - well that is exactly what Sanjay ji has been teaching - one is naturally drawn towards Ishta Devata, lucky are those who find their Ishta Devata early the life. Best wishes, Shailesh - Vishwa Krishnamurthy sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:35 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Gurave namaH================Dear Shailesh,Thanks a lot for your response. I have learnt a lot. The significance ofSaturn's aspects make so much more sense to me now.You said that in my case the incarnation of Rama would be more appropriate.Do different drekannas then indicate different incarnations of Vishnu to beworshipped if Mercury represents the ishta? Is this true for all planets?Actually, what does mantra pada by itself indicate? Does it indicate themantra to be chanted? Could this ever be different from the mantra of theishta devata to be chanted?By the way, Sri Rama has been my ishta devata since childhood. So, I wasreally excited when I read that Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama should beworshipped by me. I shall continue to read the Valmiki Ramayana and sing theglories of Sri Rama and his greatest devotee Sri Hanuman!"ApadAm apahartAram dAtAram sarva sampadAm.lokAbhirAmam shri rAmam bhUyo bhUyo namAmyaham."regards,vishwa.>"Shailesh" <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>sjvc>To: <sjvc>>Re: [sjvc] ishta devata>Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:26:27 +0530>>Dear Vishwa,>>Reg. your Ishta Devata, with Mercury at 9.22GE, ie first drekkana, Sri>Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama will be more appropriate.>>Q#1.>Take karakatwa represented by SA to identify who will guide you to your>Ishta, Common man is one karakatwa, also consider followers, servants,>subordinates, setbacks & sorrows.>>However, chara karakatwa is more important as this is specific to your>chart - in your case SA is Purta Karaka, again representing subordinates,>followers, servants etc., in addition to children.>>I will skip your Q#2, leaving it to Gurus to answer.>>Q#3.>Mantra pada is the Arudha of 5th house which, in your Rasi as well as>Navamsa charts, is Gemini.>>With best wishes,>>Shailesh======================================================================Interested in Sanskrit? Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org_______________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4and no minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/XUWolB/TM---~->Your use of is subject to Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Respected Sanjayji, Pranam. I have a doubt here. In my chart A5 is in 8th house. It has no aspect from guru (AK in badhakasthana) but have grahadristi from exaulted rahu (in 4th house) and lagna lord saturn (in 6th house) as well as both rashi & graha dristi from mars (in 5th house). How to interpret it? I have attached my chart. Humble regards, dasgupta - Sanjay Rath sjvc Friday, April 26, 2002 10:28 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear Vishwa, > My atmakaraka is Mars. > My karakamsa is Cancer. So, 12th from that is Gemini. There are no planets > there. But, the Lord is mercury. So, Vishnu represents my Ishta. > > Now, for the questions: > 1)Narahari pointed out that, the rasi aspects draw one to the Ishta. Am I > right in saying that Saturn aspects Gemini? Saturn represents the common > man, right? So, does that mean the common man will lead me to my Ishta???? > But, what does that mean? Rath:Maybe, cannot rule outthe option of elder brother, elders in the family and all elderly people in general as a source of guidance to the ista. Check the karakatwa of Saturn for more info on this. > 2) Narhari also pointed out that Vishnu is not the same as Narayana. I > always thought that they were the same. What then is the difference? Rath: Just different forms, one for the younger generation full of energy (Mercury) who need a form and need to accept that He is everywhere, i.e. Sarva Vyapakeshwara Devata - Vishnu or 'All is God' and the other the older man who has realised that 'God is all' including all that which we cannot perceive. Jaimini does not differentiate and says 'Vishnu' for both Mercury and Saturn in the 12th from Karakamsa. > 3) What is mantra pada? Rath: Arudhapada of the fifth house. This is where the situation for receiving a mantra is created when Jupiter transits and aspects. If the aspect to A5 is Graha drishti, there is a desire and the mantra will not be very successful but if there is Rasi drishti from Guru in transit then the mantra will be very useful. If Rasi drishti is also there in the natal chart, then it is all the more better. The type of music that will make the mind strong and brave against all odds is seen from the strongest planet in mantrapada. If the Moon is present, then the native shall like music that soothes whereas a Mars in mantrapada makes a person like the drum beat like in soldiers marching...there is more to the mantrapada. > I hope the Gurus and others can help me in finding my answers. > > regards, > vishwa. Namaste Sanjay Rath Your use of is subject to the Attachment: (application/octet-stream) jkdg.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Dear Visti, Thanks for this information. Obviously you are doing some intense and wide-ranging reading. My knowledge, obviously, limited to what all I have read, and Sanjay ji's lessons/ teachings. Thanks once again. Shailesh - Visti Larsen sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:34 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Namo Naraayanaya ---------------- Dear Shailesh, Heres what Harihara states about the various drekkana of Mercury; Movable or Dual Signs; Sri Vishnu* 1st & 2nd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Krishna Avatara 3rd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Vishnu* * = In case of Vishnu, one must check the grahas influencing or dispositing Mercury to determine exactly which avatara of Vishnu. i.e. 12th from My Karakamsa(Ak-Rahu) is lorded by Mercury. In Rasi Mercury is in the Movable sign of Libra. Mercury is joined with Jupiter in Libra. This indicates Vamana Avatara. There is however an exception in my chart due to Kala Amrita Yoga, Ketus position in Navamsa should be considered as Karakamsa, hence Vishnu in supreme form(Jupiter) is more acurate for now. Best wishes, Visti. - Shailesh sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:39 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Dear Vishwa, Sanjay ji has personally clarified your queries and given you detailed explanations reg. Mantra Pada & difference between Narayana & Vishnu. The indication on Ishta Devata changing with drekanna occupied by a planet in Rasi chart is peculiar to Mercury. As per Sanjay ji's teaching, if ME is in 1st Drekanna, Sri Rama is indicated, else Shri Krishna - both are incarnations of Sri Vishnu. As to your natural attraction to Shri Ram - well that is exactly what Sanjay ji has been teaching - one is naturally drawn towards Ishta Devata, lucky are those who find their Ishta Devata early the life. Best wishes, Shailesh - Vishwa Krishnamurthy sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:35 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Gurave namaH================Dear Shailesh,Thanks a lot for your response. I have learnt a lot. The significance ofSaturn's aspects make so much more sense to me now.You said that in my case the incarnation of Rama would be more appropriate.Do different drekannas then indicate different incarnations of Vishnu to beworshipped if Mercury represents the ishta? Is this true for all planets?Actually, what does mantra pada by itself indicate? Does it indicate themantra to be chanted? Could this ever be different from the mantra of theishta devata to be chanted?By the way, Sri Rama has been my ishta devata since childhood. So, I wasreally excited when I read that Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama should beworshipped by me. I shall continue to read the Valmiki Ramayana and sing theglories of Sri Rama and his greatest devotee Sri Hanuman!"ApadAm apahartAram dAtAram sarva sampadAm.lokAbhirAmam shri rAmam bhUyo bhUyo namAmyaham."regards,vishwa.>"Shailesh" <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>sjvc>To: <sjvc>>Re: [sjvc] ishta devata>Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:26:27 +0530>>Dear Vishwa,>>Reg. your Ishta Devata, with Mercury at 9.22GE, ie first drekkana, Sri>Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama will be more appropriate.>>Q#1.>Take karakatwa represented by SA to identify who will guide you to your>Ishta, Common man is one karakatwa, also consider followers, servants,>subordinates, setbacks & sorrows.>>However, chara karakatwa is more important as this is specific to your>chart - in your case SA is Purta Karaka, again representing subordinates,>followers, servants etc., in addition to children.>>I will skip your Q#2, leaving it to Gurus to answer.>>Q#3.>Mantra pada is the Arudha of 5th house which, in your Rasi as well as>Navamsa charts, is Gemini.>>With best wishes,>>Shailesh======================================================================Interested in Sanskrit? Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org_______________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4and no minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/XUWolB/TM---~->Your use of is subject to Your use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Om Namo Naraayanaya --------------- Dear Shailesh, Gurudeva gave the list in Vedic-Remedies. Best wishes, Visti. - Shailesh sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:18 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Dear Visti, Thanks for this information. Obviously you are doing some intense and wide-ranging reading. My knowledge, obviously, limited to what all I have read, and Sanjay ji's lessons/ teachings. Thanks once again. Shailesh - Visti Larsen sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:34 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Namo Naraayanaya ---------------- Dear Shailesh, Heres what Harihara states about the various drekkana of Mercury; Movable or Dual Signs; Sri Vishnu* 1st & 2nd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Krishna Avatara 3rd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Vishnu* * = In case of Vishnu, one must check the grahas influencing or dispositing Mercury to determine exactly which avatara of Vishnu. i.e. 12th from My Karakamsa(Ak-Rahu) is lorded by Mercury. In Rasi Mercury is in the Movable sign of Libra. Mercury is joined with Jupiter in Libra. This indicates Vamana Avatara. There is however an exception in my chart due to Kala Amrita Yoga, Ketus position in Navamsa should be considered as Karakamsa, hence Vishnu in supreme form(Jupiter) is more acurate for now. Best wishes, Visti. - Shailesh sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:39 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Dear Vishwa, Sanjay ji has personally clarified your queries and given you detailed explanations reg. Mantra Pada & difference between Narayana & Vishnu. The indication on Ishta Devata changing with drekanna occupied by a planet in Rasi chart is peculiar to Mercury. As per Sanjay ji's teaching, if ME is in 1st Drekanna, Sri Rama is indicated, else Shri Krishna - both are incarnations of Sri Vishnu. As to your natural attraction to Shri Ram - well that is exactly what Sanjay ji has been teaching - one is naturally drawn towards Ishta Devata, lucky are those who find their Ishta Devata early the life. Best wishes, Shailesh - Vishwa Krishnamurthy sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:35 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Gurave namaH================Dear Shailesh,Thanks a lot for your response. I have learnt a lot. The significance ofSaturn's aspects make so much more sense to me now.You said that in my case the incarnation of Rama would be more appropriate.Do different drekannas then indicate different incarnations of Vishnu to beworshipped if Mercury represents the ishta? Is this true for all planets?Actually, what does mantra pada by itself indicate? Does it indicate themantra to be chanted? Could this ever be different from the mantra of theishta devata to be chanted?By the way, Sri Rama has been my ishta devata since childhood. So, I wasreally excited when I read that Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama should beworshipped by me. I shall continue to read the Valmiki Ramayana and sing theglories of Sri Rama and his greatest devotee Sri Hanuman!"ApadAm apahartAram dAtAram sarva sampadAm.lokAbhirAmam shri rAmam bhUyo bhUyo namAmyaham."regards,vishwa.>"Shailesh" <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>sjvc>To: <sjvc>>Re: [sjvc] ishta devata>Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:26:27 +0530>>Dear Vishwa,>>Reg. your Ishta Devata, with Mercury at 9.22GE, ie first drekkana, Sri>Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama will be more appropriate.>>Q#1.>Take karakatwa represented by SA to identify who will guide you to your>Ishta, Common man is one karakatwa, also consider followers, servants,>subordinates, setbacks & sorrows.>>However, chara karakatwa is more important as this is specific to your>chart - in your case SA is Purta Karaka, again representing subordinates,>followers, servants etc., in addition to children.>>I will skip your Q#2, leaving it to Gurus to answer.>>Q#3.>Mantra pada is the Arudha of 5th house which, in your Rasi as well as>Navamsa charts, is Gemini.>>With best wishes,>>Shailesh======================================================================Interested in Sanskrit? Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org_______________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4and no minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/XUWolB/TM---~->Your use of is subject to Your use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear JK The mantrapada in Virgo indicates that the Mantra shall be strong and its conjunction with Moon, Venus and Mercury shall dominate over the aspects of Saturn and Rahu. If you observe your mantras recitation carefully you will notice subtle variations brought about during the periods of the concerned planets. Mercury being the strongest indicates you will like music and such mantra that are uplifting or that give immence happiness and joy, make you smile. Like this interpret for the Moon & Venus. Offering of Naivedya (Jala tatwa - Moon & Venus) and Dhoop (prithvi tatwa - mercury) shall be important parts of your pooja. Aspect of Mars, Rahu & saturn is most undesirable in this scenario indicating Deepa dosha i.e. there is error in the lighting of the lamp (ensure that you use a diya and not a jyot at home), forgeting the order or making such errors (Saturn) and some strange negative effect due to Paapa mantra (Rahu & sat). Warning: these planets may cause you to practise Ari mantra and you should check the mantra compatibility with your chart before proceeding further as given in my books. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - "j.k. dasgupta" <dga <sjvc> Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:34 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Respected Sanjayji, Pranam. I have a doubt here. In my chart A5 is in 8th house. It has no aspect from guru (AK in badhakasthana) but have grahadristi from exaulted rahu (in 4th house) and lagna lord saturn (in 6th house) as well as both rashi & graha dristi from mars (in 5th house). How to interpret it? I have attached my chart. Humble regards, dasgupta - Sanjay Rath sjvc Friday, April 26, 2002 10:28 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear Vishwa, > My atmakaraka is Mars. > My karakamsa is Cancer. So, 12th from that is Gemini. There are no planets > there. But, the Lord is mercury. So, Vishnu represents my Ishta. > > Now, for the questions: > 1)Narahari pointed out that, the rasi aspects draw one to the Ishta. Am I > right in saying that Saturn aspects Gemini? Saturn represents the common > man, right? So, does that mean the common man will lead me to my Ishta???? > But, what does that mean? Rath:Maybe, cannot rule outthe option of elder brother, elders in the family and all elderly people in general as a source of guidance to the ista. Check the karakatwa of Saturn for more info on this. > 2) Narhari also pointed out that Vishnu is not the same as Narayana. I > always thought that they were the same. What then is the difference? Rath: Just different forms, one for the younger generation full of energy (Mercury) who need a form and need to accept that He is everywhere, i.e. Sarva Vyapakeshwara Devata - Vishnu or 'All is God' and the other the older man who has realised that 'God is all' including all that which we cannot perceive. Jaimini does not differentiate and says 'Vishnu' for both Mercury and Saturn in the 12th from Karakamsa. > 3) What is mantra pada? Rath: Arudhapada of the fifth house. This is where the situation for receiving a mantra is created when Jupiter transits and aspects. If the aspect to A5 is Graha drishti, there is a desire and the mantra will not be very successful but if there is Rasi drishti from Guru in transit then the mantra will be very useful. If Rasi drishti is also there in the natal chart, then it is all the more better. The type of music that will make the mind strong and brave against all odds is seen from the strongest planet in mantrapada. If the Moon is present, then the native shall like music that soothes whereas a Mars in mantrapada makes a person like the drum beat like in soldiers marching...there is more to the mantrapada. > I hope the Gurus and others can help me in finding my answers. > > regards, > vishwa. Namaste Sanjay Rath Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Dear Visti, Unfortunately, I have not read VRIA through. Thanks again - now I will. Shailesh - Visti Larsen sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 8:59 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Namo Naraayanaya --------------- Dear Shailesh, Gurudeva gave the list in Vedic-Remedies. Best wishes, Visti. - Shailesh sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:18 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Dear Visti, Thanks for this information. Obviously you are doing some intense and wide-ranging reading. My knowledge, obviously, limited to what all I have read, and Sanjay ji's lessons/ teachings. Thanks once again. Shailesh - Visti Larsen sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:34 PM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Namo Naraayanaya ---------------- Dear Shailesh, Heres what Harihara states about the various drekkana of Mercury; Movable or Dual Signs; Sri Vishnu* 1st & 2nd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Krishna Avatara 3rd Drekkana of fixed signs: Sri Vishnu* * = In case of Vishnu, one must check the grahas influencing or dispositing Mercury to determine exactly which avatara of Vishnu. i.e. 12th from My Karakamsa(Ak-Rahu) is lorded by Mercury. In Rasi Mercury is in the Movable sign of Libra. Mercury is joined with Jupiter in Libra. This indicates Vamana Avatara. There is however an exception in my chart due to Kala Amrita Yoga, Ketus position in Navamsa should be considered as Karakamsa, hence Vishnu in supreme form(Jupiter) is more acurate for now. Best wishes, Visti. - Shailesh sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:39 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Dear Vishwa, Sanjay ji has personally clarified your queries and given you detailed explanations reg. Mantra Pada & difference between Narayana & Vishnu. The indication on Ishta Devata changing with drekanna occupied by a planet in Rasi chart is peculiar to Mercury. As per Sanjay ji's teaching, if ME is in 1st Drekanna, Sri Rama is indicated, else Shri Krishna - both are incarnations of Sri Vishnu. As to your natural attraction to Shri Ram - well that is exactly what Sanjay ji has been teaching - one is naturally drawn towards Ishta Devata, lucky are those who find their Ishta Devata early the life. Best wishes, Shailesh - Vishwa Krishnamurthy sjvc Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:35 AM Re: [sjvc] ishta devata Om Gurave namaH================Dear Shailesh,Thanks a lot for your response. I have learnt a lot. The significance ofSaturn's aspects make so much more sense to me now.You said that in my case the incarnation of Rama would be more appropriate.Do different drekannas then indicate different incarnations of Vishnu to beworshipped if Mercury represents the ishta? Is this true for all planets?Actually, what does mantra pada by itself indicate? Does it indicate themantra to be chanted? Could this ever be different from the mantra of theishta devata to be chanted?By the way, Sri Rama has been my ishta devata since childhood. So, I wasreally excited when I read that Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama should beworshipped by me. I shall continue to read the Valmiki Ramayana and sing theglories of Sri Rama and his greatest devotee Sri Hanuman!"ApadAm apahartAram dAtAram sarva sampadAm.lokAbhirAmam shri rAmam bhUyo bhUyo namAmyaham."regards,vishwa.>"Shailesh" <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>sjvc>To: <sjvc>>Re: [sjvc] ishta devata>Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:26:27 +0530>>Dear Vishwa,>>Reg. your Ishta Devata, with Mercury at 9.22GE, ie first drekkana, Sri>Vishnu in the form of Sri Rama will be more appropriate.>>Q#1.>Take karakatwa represented by SA to identify who will guide you to your>Ishta, Common man is one karakatwa, also consider followers, servants,>subordinates, setbacks & sorrows.>>However, chara karakatwa is more important as this is specific to your>chart - in your case SA is Purta Karaka, again representing subordinates,>followers, servants etc., in addition to children.>>I will skip your Q#2, leaving it to Gurus to answer.>>Q#3.>Mantra pada is the Arudha of 5th house which, in your Rasi as well as>Navamsa charts, is Gemini.>>With best wishes,>>Shailesh======================================================================Interested in Sanskrit? Check out: http://www.samskrtam.org_______________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4and no minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/XUWolB/TM---~->Your use of is subject to Your use of is subject to the Your use of Groups is subject to the Your use of is subject to the Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 I think you could take the diety for Shani (Narayana) as it is lord of 12th from AK and is also aspecting Kumbha as well as being exalted in Thulam, so he has powerful control over Kumbha. It also seems that the Pearl for Chandra would be beneficial as ninth lord, but I don't know if it will be very helpful. Doesn't the AK indicate specific issues you have to deal with this life, in this case, related to emotions. Perhaps worship of Narayana would bring more mental peace than a perl. I hope this is helpful. (No opinion on Palana.) , <mofie@c...> wrote: > Dear Jyotisha's, > > Can anyone help me how to determine the Ishta Devata for this friend of mine. > She is suffering a lot mentally in term of her relationship at this moment.Her > AK is moon and is placed in Meena in Navamsa and the 12 from it is Kumbha which is > empty.Kumbha is aspected by Shani,Surya and Rahu in Thulam and Kethu in Mesham by > rashi dristi.I'm not sure about which is stronger to take as the Ishta. > > Regarding Palan Karta in the book VRA by Sanjay, it's mentioned that this deity > is favourable for good livelihood and financial status.It's determined from the > 6th from Amatya Karaka.Amk is Rahu and the 6th from it is Moon (waxing), so can > I ask her to worship Gauri or Durga for Palan Karta? > > Moon is also the 9th lord and is vargotamam position in Meena.Will it be good > for her to wear a pearl for good luck despite Moon being the Atmakaraka.Any > suggestion on this matter? > > Thanks & Regards > > Mofie Augustine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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