saturn

[Guest guest]

dear lakshmi

 

I think saturn has some special rules.

 

a) he will give benefic results late

b) he will punish people without any delay-i know it from personal

experience

 

c) he is slow in giving material comforts

 

d) he is fast in giving spiritual blessings, dont know why he

increases his speed when "fating out someone".

 

regards

partha

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha,

>From where did you get this info about special rules? Visti also mentioned

something similar. Let me know the source so I too can look it up. Coming to

"retribution" I too thought it was quite swift sometimes, until in the 3-4

cases I checked up it was either Saturn dasa/Antar/pratyantar or Sade Sathi

running. The link to Saturn was always there.

My premise that Saturn is Slow is based on the fact that he's huge & solid

(ghanaya), slow (manda), manda chestaya (slow actioned), lame and represents

"year" (the longest time unit) in vedic time segments (BPHS). All these

attributes certainly do not describe an agile personality. I did not find any

other reference to the contrary. Have I missed something somewhere?

But, Partha, I found another interesting reference in Sani ashtottaram...it says

"dhanurmandala samsthaaya"..how come?

Now, I have a few questions coming up. And, these are more for my enlightenment:

1) If the punishment is immediate, then rebirth is caused only because of

unfulfilled desires (Rahu) / moksha (Ketu). If this is the case, how do we

explain early deaths / infant deaths, because natives here have not obviously

fulfilled any latent desires or done any fresh karma to warrant moksha. Even in

normal cases why so much suffering for some people? Or karma is leftover in some

cases?

2) If punishment is immediate, then what happens during the three transits of

Sade sathi? What's the function of these transits? Of course the second one is

supposed to be least malefic or even benefic. That means the two really malefic

ones have how much time separating them?

3) The third round of Sade Sathi is supposed to bring death, subject to other

conditions.Visti Says that Saturn does not kill and Saturn is definitely

ayushkaraka.How do we reconcile these statements?

Regards,Lakshmi

P.S: What happens to Sagittarians like us, where he's the maraka? His companions

kill, is it?

partvinu5 <partvinu5 > wrote: dear lakshmiI think saturn has some

special rules.a) he will give benefic results lateb) he will punish people

without any delay-i know it from personal experiencec) he is slow in giving

material comfortsd) he is fast in giving spiritual blessings, dont know why he

increases his speed when "fating out someone".regardsparthaYour use of

Groups is subject to the

Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email!

[Guest guest]

dear Lakshmi

 

Honestly i dont remember in which book i read these rules. But in

practice i have seen sani doing what i had mentioned earlier.

 

i lost my job swiftly in rahu-sani only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> My premise that Saturn is Slow is based on the fact that he's huge

& solid (ghanaya), slow (manda), manda chestaya (slow actioned), lame

and represents "year" (the longest time unit) in vedic time segments

(BPHS). All these attributes certainly do not describe an agile

personality. I did not find any other reference to the contrary. Have

I missed something somewhere?

 

partha: Yes probably the fact that sani is fate, he is kaal, he is

grief, he is the shadow and he is the TERMINATOR. thus he doesnot

waste time to show his headmasterliness.

 

please give meanings for the sanskrit slokas that you quote.

 

 

1) If the punishment is immediate, then rebirth is caused only

because of unfulfilled desires (Rahu) / moksha (Ketu). If this is the

case, how do we explain early deaths / infant deaths, because natives

here have not obviously fulfilled any latent desires or done any

fresh karma to warrant moksha. Even in normal cases why so much

suffering for some people? Or karma is leftover in some cases?

 

 

ans) everyone who has taken the birth is due to the fact that he has

not attained moksha and has commited some sins, he has to pay them.

The people who are dying as infants must have indulged in abortioning

children, killing children etc, thus these fellows die so young.

 

 

> 2) If punishment is immediate, then what happens during the three

transits of Sade sathi? What's the function of these transits? Of

course the second one is supposed to be least malefic or even

benefic. That means the two really malefic ones have how much time

separating them?

 

partha: the concept of sade-saath is different. no matter what every

person who lives for minimum 30 years has to face it. the general

rules are that 1st one is bad, 2nd is progressive and 3rd one is

maraka. these are very general. But it is based on the moon sign.

what about those fellows who do not allow the "disturbances" affect

them. See in the first saade saath, my mother died and i had few

accidents, but honestly i did enjoy my life. so i cant see the point.

 

 

3) The third round of Sade Sathi is supposed to bring death, subject

to other conditions.

> Visti Says that Saturn does not kill and Saturn is definitely

ayushkaraka.

> How do we reconcile these statements?

 

 

saturn doesnot kill. he wants to grow. he wants the houses that he

aspects to live long. that is why even if i want to leave my job i am

not allowed (laughs, my saturn aspects 10th house through 3rd aspect).

mars kills, rahu can give sudden results. weak moon can give

disorders for the mind and asking him to commit suicide. saturn does

not kill. he just frustrates and delays, it is upto the individual to

take everything in his stride.

 

yes saturn is maraka, but he needs to combine. as a general rule

saturn doesnot kill , so for him he needs support of moon and venus

to and lastly mars to kill.

 

 

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

> P.S: What happens to Sagittarians like us, where he's the maraka?

His companions kill, is it?

>

>

> partvinu5 <partvinu5> wrote: dear lakshmi

>

> I think saturn has some special rules.

>

> a) he will give benefic results late

> b) he will punish people without any delay-i know it from personal

> experience

>

> c) he is slow in giving material comforts

>

> d) he is fast in giving spiritual blessings, dont know why he

> increases his speed when "fating out someone".

>

> regards

> partha

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

> Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email!

[Guest guest]

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

----------------------------

Dear Lakshmi,

 

 

>Now, I have a few questions coming up. And, these are more for my

>enlightenment:

>1) If the punishment is immediate, then rebirth is caused only because of

>unfulfilled desires (Rahu) / moksha (Ketu). If this is the case, how do we

>explain early deaths / infant deaths, because natives here have not

>obviously fulfilled any latent desires or done any fresh karma to warrant

>moksha. Even in normal cases why so much suffering for some people? Or

>karma is leftover in some cases?

>

 

Visti: If our desires are satisfied, its farely easy to get moksha. In most

cases, people do not get their desires satisfied.

 

 

>

>2) If punishment is immediate, then what happens during the three transits

>of Sade sathi? What's the function of these transits? Of course the second

>one is supposed to be least malefic or even benefic. That means the two

>really malefic ones have how much time separating them?

>

 

Visti: Gurudeva allready explained this on Vedic-Astrology list, where he

described the 3 types of Sade Sathi, where Saturn removes support from

wife(12th), Family(2nd) and in the middle part, it sits on your head and

punished you for your mistakes. Depending on the Dasa period and Karma, the

effects will be felt acordingly.

 

>

>3) The third round of Sade Sathi is supposed to bring death, subject to

>other conditions.

>Visti Says that Saturn does not kill and Saturn is definitely ayushkaraka.

>How do we reconcile these statements?

>

 

Visti: Easy. Saturn has no more longevity to give.

 

>Regards,

>Lakshmi

>P.S: What happens to Sagittarians like us, where he's the maraka? His

>companions kill, is it?

 

Visti: Functional nature is something else. 8th lord shows the type of

Rudra.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

_______________

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

[Guest guest]

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Lakshmi

Partha was only giving the general point that people are reborn (these days)

largely due to strong unfulfilled desires. Take the drunkard next door. He has

to be born so many more times because that last glass of beer is not over! That

is Karmic rebirth where Bhagavan is kind enough to let him come again and again

for that last glass, and perhaps alternating between other bodies of buffallo

and other animals ( if more fortunate).

Now, saturn also has a say in this matter and for this reason, Saturn and Gulika

(his bright eyed son so very good at preparing poison) have a strong say in

rebirth as well. Here they are used to calculate the date of conception by

reducing the tentative date by the difference between their degrees.

(Conception chart). At least one case is sure to be remembered . That of

Bhagavan Ram, and here we cannot blame it all on Rahu (Ravana) alone and Saturn

also holds the key to this. Thus when Rahu becomes the AK, I guess Rama will

come to take you back to Godhead...With best wishesSanjay RathWeb:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest:

http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/

- lakshmi ramesh

sjvc

Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:16 PM

Re: [sjvc] saturn

Om Gurave Namah Dear Partha, From where did you get this info about special

rules? Visti also mentioned something similar. Let me know the source so I too

can look it up. Coming to "retribution" I too thought it was quite swift

sometimes, until in the 3-4 cases I checked up it was either Saturn

dasa/Antar/pratyantar or Sade Sathi running. The link to Saturn was always

there.

My premise that Saturn is Slow is based on the fact that he's huge & solid

(ghanaya), slow (manda), manda chestaya (slow actioned), lame and represents

"year" (the longest time unit) in vedic time segments (BPHS). All these

attributes certainly do not describe an agile personality. I did not find any

other reference to the contrary. Have I missed something somewhere?

But, Partha, I found another interesting reference in Sani ashtottaram...it says

"dhanurmandala samsthaaya"..how come?

Now, I have a few questions coming up. And, these are more for my enlightenment:

1) If the punishment is immediate, then rebirth is caused only because of

unfulfilled desires (Rahu) / moksha (Ketu). If this is the case, how do we

explain early deaths / infant deaths, because natives here have not obviously

fulfilled any latent desires or done any fresh karma to warrant moksha. Even in

normal cases why so much suffering for some people? Or karma is leftover in some

cases?

2) If punishment is immediate, then what happens during the three transits of

Sade sathi? What's the function of these transits? Of course the second one is

supposed to be least malefic or even benefic. That means the two really malefic

ones have how much time separating them?

3) The third round of Sade Sathi is supposed to bring death, subject to other

conditions.Visti Says that Saturn does not kill and Saturn is definitely

ayushkaraka.How do we reconcile these statements?

Regards,Lakshmi P.S: What happens to Sagittarians like us, where he's the

maraka? His companions kill, is it? partvinu5 <partvinu5 > wrote:

dear lakshmiI think saturn has some special rules.a) he will give benefic

results lateb) he will punish people without any delay-i know it from personal

experiencec) he is slow in giving material comfortsd) he is fast in giving

spiritual blessings, dont know why he increases his speed when "fating out

someone".regardspartha Terms

of Service.

Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Your use

of is subject to the

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

Thanks for the replies and the references. I shall start excavating ...

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <vlarsen (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Vyam Vysadevaya

Namah----------------------------Dear

Lakshmi,>Now, I have a few questions coming up. And, these are more for my

>enlightenment:>1) If the punishment is immediate, then rebirth is caused only

because of >unfulfilled desires (Rahu) / moksha (Ketu). If this is the case,

how do we >explain early deaths / infant deaths, because natives here have not

>obviously fulfilled any latent desires or done any fresh karma to warrant

>moksha. Even in normal cases why so much suffering for some people? Or >karma

is leftover in some cases?>Visti: If our desires are satisfied, its farely easy

to get moksha. In most cases, people do not get their desires satisfied.>>2) If

punishment is immediate, then what happens during the three transits >of Sade

sathi? What's the function of these transits? Of course the second >one is

supposed to be least malefic or even benefic. That means the two >really

malefic ones have how much time separating them?>Visti: Gurudeva allready

explained this on Vedic-Astrology list, where he described the 3 types of Sade

Sathi, where Saturn removes support from wife(12th), Family(2nd) and in the

middle part, it sits on your head and punished you for your mistakes. Depending

on the Dasa period and Karma, the effects will be felt acordingly.>>3) The third

round of Sade Sathi is supposed to bring death, subject to >other

conditions.>Visti Says that Saturn does not kill and Saturn is definitely

ayushkaraka.>How do we reconcile these statements?>Visti: Easy. Saturn has no

more longevity to give.>Regards,>Lakshmi>P.S: What happens to Sagittarians like

us, where he's the maraka? His >companions kill, is it?Visti: Functional nature

is something else. 8th lord shows the type of Rudra.Best wishes,

Visti._______________Get your

FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.Your use of

is subject to the

Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email!

[Guest guest]

Shri Sanjay,

Exactly! I too was thinking of Sri Rama. And, Guruji, isn't punishment a

cumulative result? I mean, the 100th error might triggerthe "Sudarshana

chakra", but the count starts from the 1st, na? Is it the last strawor the

first few weights that "begins" to break the camel's back?

While Partha was right in saying that Saturn bestows longevity on the houseshe

aspects, what about the house where he sits? Is he not a reduction factor?BTW,

Partha raised a very interesting point about him not being able to quit the

job,because of Saturn's aspect. It could be my problem too.

Regards,Lakshmi

P.S: Interesting point about the beer n' the buffalo. That makes the species

definitely much more intriguing!

Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

 

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Lakshmi

Partha was only giving the general point that people are reborn (these days)

largely due to strong unfulfilled desires. Take the drunkard next door. He has

to be born so many more times because that last glass of beer is not over! That

is Karmic rebirth where Bhagavan is kind enough to let him come again and again

for that last glass, and perhaps alternating between other bodies of buffallo

and other animals ( if more fortunate).

Now, saturn also has a say in this matter and for this reason, Saturn and Gulika

(his bright eyed son so very good at preparing poison) have a strong say in

rebirth as well. Here they are used to calculate the date of conception by

reducing the tentative date by the difference between their degrees.

(Conception chart). At least one case is sure to be remembered . That of

Bhagavan Ram, and here we cannot blame it all on Rahu (Ravana) alone and Saturn

also holds the key to this. Thus when Rahu becomes the AK, I guess Rama will

come to take you back to Godhead...With best wishesSanjay RathWeb:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest:

http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/

- lakshmi ramesh

sjvc

Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:16 PM

Re: [sjvc] saturn

Om Gurave Namah Dear Partha, From where did you get this info about special

rules? Visti also mentioned something similar. Let me know the source so I too

can look it up. Coming to "retribution" I too thought it was quite swift

sometimes, until in the 3-4 cases I checked up it was either Saturn

dasa/Antar/pratyantar or Sade Sathi running. The link to Saturn was always

there.

My premise that Saturn is Slow is based on the fact that he's huge & solid

(ghanaya), slow (manda), manda chestaya (slow actioned), lame and represents

"year" (the longest time unit) in vedic time segments (BPHS). All these

attributes certainly do not describe an agile personality. I did not find any

other reference to the contrary. Have I missed something somewhere?

But, Partha, I found another interesting reference in Sani ashtottaram...it says

"dhanurmandala samsthaaya"..how come?

Now, I have a few questions coming up. And, these are more for my enlightenment:

1) If the punishment is immediate, then rebirth is caused only because of

unfulfilled desires (Rahu) / moksha (Ketu). If this is the case, how do we

explain early deaths / infant deaths, because natives here have not obviously

fulfilled any latent desires or done any fresh karma to warrant moksha. Even in

normal cases why so much suffering for some people? Or karma is leftover in some

cases?

2) If punishment is immediate, then what happens during the three transits of

Sade sathi? What's the function of these transits? Of course the second one is

supposed to be least malefic or even benefic. That means the two really malefic

ones have how much time separating them?

3) The third round of Sade Sathi is supposed to bring death, subject to other

conditions.Visti Says that Saturn does not kill and Saturn is definitely

ayushkaraka.How do we reconcile these statements?

Regards,Lakshmi P.S: What happens to Sagittarians like us, where he's the

maraka? His companions kill, is it? partvinu5 <partvinu5 > wrote:

dear lakshmiI think saturn has some special rules.a) he will give benefic

results lateb) he will punish people without any delay-i know it from personal

experiencec) he is slow in giving material comfortsd) he is fast in giving

spiritual blessings, dont know why he increases his speed when "fating out

someone".regardspartha Terms

of Service.

Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email! Your use

of is subject to the Your use of

Groups is subject to the

Try FREE Mail - the world's greatest free email!