Appearance vs Personality SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting

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Dear Gurus & friends

 

Could someone please correct my understanding in terms of the

DIFFERENCE in the PRIMARY significators for various commonly used/

mixed significators for appearance vs health vs personality, etc as

summarised below from my understanding (pl ignore secondary factors;

also any additional comments within each set, for how each significator

addresses DIFFERENT aspects of it, would be of help, except the obvious

ones):

 

a) Health (ie overall susceptibility to attacks): Lagna Lord, 6th lord,

Karakamsa (in d-1 & 9), AK, St (as karaka). Others= 8L, badhakesh &

other marakas = specific diseases, not overall health.

 

b) Physique = stronger of Lg vs Sn & 7th to that.

 

c) Appearance (physical features, eg fair): Lagna in charts d-1/3/esp

9.

 

d) Personality (ie perceived by others, eg jolly): strongest planet in

chart, Lagna in d-1 & d-9, Sn-sign, Mn-sign, AL.

 

e) Internal drivers/ Moral character (eg crook): 4, HL, d-27, Mn,

3/malefics(as instinctive mind), 9/Jp (as higher mind)

 

Regards

 

Nandan

 

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> ------------------------

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> Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:00 AM

> Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting

>

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

>

>

> Yes, some points which should have been mentioned in the earlier post

> are:

>

>

>

> > ego:

>

> [consensus was that SUN, the King, is significator of ego, the

> natural

> attribute of royalty.

>

>

>

> Shiv Chadha, in his book 'Significators. . . .', attributes

> 'ego,

> pride, arrogance, haughtiness' to Sun, on the authority of

> Jeevanath's Bhava

> Prakash.

>

>

>

> I may also add that SUN is Karaka for self - 'AHAM' and

> 'AHAMKAR'

> comes from misplaced importance given to 'AHAM' . Therefore, it also

> presupposes affliction to SUN for it to give rise to 'AHAMKAR'

>

>

>

> However, you have mentioned that ego is a function Rahu,

> quoting CoVA.

>

>

>

> I hope Gurus will clarify the point, especially whether it is

> so only

> for D-27 or in all charts & D-charts]

>

>

>

> RATH: The Karaka for the self is the Sun and this is not ego. It is

> the

> individual atma. The consciousness of the existence of the individual

> as

> different from others is brought about by the Mana. The Mana believes

> that

> say 'Sailesh' is a different and unique personality - different from

> Sanjay

> or Lakshmi and others. This perception of the self as being different

> from

> others is Ahamkara. Thus, Mana gives birth to Ahamkara and this has

> been

> explained in the initial teachings on Creation. This Ahamkara is

> different

> from Atma and hence Sun cannot be its indicator as the Sun is very

> truthful

> and of Satwik disposition. The Sun will not lie, and instead will

> shed light

> that will unveil all untruth, lies and falsehood.

>

> Having accepted that Ahamkara is different from the Atma and is a

> function of the Mana, let us study the Mana Karaka Moon that is

> subject to

> this 'disease' that prevents emancipation from the cycle of rebirth.

> The

> Moon has various motion of which a very important motion is its

> relative

> motion in the vertical direction from the equatorial plane of the

> earth.

> This is the Latitude. The points of intersection of the lunar plane

> with the

> equitorial plane are called NODES and in jyotish they are Rahu and

> Ketu.

>

> The Moon's motion can be divided into two parts i.e. (a) from

> Ketu to

> Rahu when it is in the northern latitude and (b) from Rahu to ketu

> when it

> is in the southern latitude. There are various ways to know the Gati

> (movement or direction) as being towards Rahu (Bhoga - enjoyments and

> living

> in the delusion of EGO) or as being towards Ketu (Moksha -

> renunciation and

> living without this delusion of self importance). I will leave this

> for a

> later date.

>

> Thus, it is the Rahu & Ketu and their trines that show ego

> basking or

> spiritual upliftment respectively. That is why in COVA I had

> mentioned that

> Rahu causes egoism and a egotist - obsession with the self and mental

> gratification.

>

>

>

> > Karaka for DHARMA

>

> [sun or Jup. - consensus being that JUP, the Rajguru, is the

> interpretor/

> perceptor and SUN, as the King, is upholder of Dharma]

>

> RATH: The ninth house is the Dharma Bhava. Now, treat this as the

> first

> house for Dharma and we have two Karaka - first is the father from

> whom the

> Dharma comes. The first Karaka is the Sun. Thus a baby is reborn into

> a

> religion based on that adopted by his natural or foster father. I am

> a hindu

> simply because my father is a hindu. This is the first rule and the

> Sun is

> the first Karaka.

>

> Then comes learning of the dharma i.e. principles which guide life.

> The

> teachers of these will be the priests, guru's, mullah's etc depending

> on the

> religion for which the Karaka is Jupiter. Jupiter is a friend of the

> Sun and

> hence these priests etc will normally belong to the same religion as

> that of

> the father. This is the second rule for which the Karaka is Jupiter.

>

>

> > Physical characteristics & physique:

>

> [The main issue was that the native is pretty & fair, but very slim

> and

> narrow framed, which is totally contrary to TA nativity.

>

>

>

> Partha mentioned, and others agreed, that it could be due to the

> excessive

> influence of SUN on the lagna lord.

>

> RATH: The Lagna is the Physical personality and not the Lagna Lord

> unless

> the lord is in Lagna itself. Secondly, you seem to have ignored

> Drekkana and

> Navamsa Lagna completely. Please study these aspects for describing

> the

> physical personality.

>

>

>

> As an afterthought, I seek Guru ji's comments on the following logic:

>

>

>

> Arudha Lagna indicates how a person is perceived by others -

> therefore is it

> correct to assume that AL is the determinator of persons appearance.

>

>

>

> If I may extend this argument a little further, can we say that AL in

> D-1

> indicates physical personality and AL in D-9 indicates spiritual/

> intrinsic

> personality.,]

>

> RATH: Perception is based on knowledge and Arudha does have some say

> on

> personlity like clothes (remember the saying clothes make a man).

> However,

> fat, slim, fair etc that are given by God is from Satya peetha i.e.

> Lagna.

>

>

>

> Let us hope that Sanjay ji and other Gurus will kindly guide us.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

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Dear Nandan,

Health and Energy at birth it ruled by Sun. Sun being the Atma and energy in

the horoscope, should not be afflicted. Hence see the enemies towards Sun,

and their influence on Lagna. Also Atmakaraka and Lagna Lord should be

treated in the same way. AK in 6th/8th in Navamsa, shows that the soul must

work really hard to attain its desires. Hence birth and health is hard/bad.

 

Appearance is usually attributed to the beuty of the skin. Skin is ruled by

Prithvi Tattwa; Mercury and all enemies of the Prithvi Tattwa; i.e. Agni &

Vayu Tattwa, will ruin the skin. Hence; Mars, Sun, Saturn and Rahu will ruin

the skin, and their influence on Lagna will hence be bad for the appearance.

 

Jala & Akasha Tattwa Grahas, give beutiful skin.

 

Personality is seen from the Lagna.

How others percieve it is seen from Arudha Lagna, and the Morals are seen

from Navamsa Lagna.

 

Best wishes, Visti

 

>Dear Gurus & friends

>

>Could someone please correct my understanding in terms of the

>DIFFERENCE in the PRIMARY significators for various commonly used/

>mixed significators for appearance vs health vs personality, etc as

>summarised below from my understanding (pl ignore secondary factors;

>also any additional comments within each set, for how each significator

>addresses DIFFERENT aspects of it, would be of help, except the obvious

>ones):

>

>a) Health (ie overall susceptibility to attacks): Lagna Lord, 6th lord,

>Karakamsa (in d-1 & 9), AK, St (as karaka). Others= 8L, badhakesh &

>other marakas = specific diseases, not overall health.

>

>b) Physique = stronger of Lg vs Sn & 7th to that.

>

>c) Appearance (physical features, eg fair): Lagna in charts d-1/3/esp

>9.

>

>d) Personality (ie perceived by others, eg jolly): strongest planet in

>chart, Lagna in d-1 & d-9, Sn-sign, Mn-sign, AL.

>

>e) Internal drivers/ Moral character (eg crook): 4, HL, d-27, Mn,

>3/malefics(as instinctive mind), 9/Jp (as higher mind)

>

>Regards

>

>Nandan

>

> --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > om gurave namah

> > ------------------------

> > Dear Sailesh,

> > Comments given under:

> > With best wishes

> > Sanjay Rath

> > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm

> > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/

> > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/

> > -

> > Shailesh

> > sjvc

> > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:00 AM

> > Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting

> >

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, some points which should have been mentioned in the earlier post

> > are:

> >

> >

> >

> > > ego:

> >

> > [consensus was that SUN, the King, is significator of ego, the

> > natural

> > attribute of royalty.

> >

> >

> >

> > Shiv Chadha, in his book 'Significators. . . .', attributes

> > 'ego,

> > pride, arrogance, haughtiness' to Sun, on the authority of

> > Jeevanath's Bhava

> > Prakash.

> >

> >

> >

> > I may also add that SUN is Karaka for self - 'AHAM' and

> > 'AHAMKAR'

> > comes from misplaced importance given to 'AHAM' . Therefore, it also

> > presupposes affliction to SUN for it to give rise to 'AHAMKAR'

> >

> >

> >

> > However, you have mentioned that ego is a function Rahu,

> > quoting CoVA.

> >

> >

> >

> > I hope Gurus will clarify the point, especially whether it is

> > so only

> > for D-27 or in all charts & D-charts]

> >

> >

> >

> > RATH: The Karaka for the self is the Sun and this is not ego. It is

> > the

> > individual atma. The consciousness of the existence of the individual

> > as

> > different from others is brought about by the Mana. The Mana believes

> > that

> > say 'Sailesh' is a different and unique personality - different from

> > Sanjay

> > or Lakshmi and others. This perception of the self as being different

> > from

> > others is Ahamkara. Thus, Mana gives birth to Ahamkara and this has

> > been

> > explained in the initial teachings on Creation. This Ahamkara is

> > different

> > from Atma and hence Sun cannot be its indicator as the Sun is very

> > truthful

> > and of Satwik disposition. The Sun will not lie, and instead will

> > shed light

> > that will unveil all untruth, lies and falsehood.

> >

> > Having accepted that Ahamkara is different from the Atma and is a

> > function of the Mana, let us study the Mana Karaka Moon that is

> > subject to

> > this 'disease' that prevents emancipation from the cycle of rebirth.

> > The

> > Moon has various motion of which a very important motion is its

> > relative

> > motion in the vertical direction from the equatorial plane of the

> > earth.

> > This is the Latitude. The points of intersection of the lunar plane

> > with the

> > equitorial plane are called NODES and in jyotish they are Rahu and

> > Ketu.

> >

> > The Moon's motion can be divided into two parts i.e. (a) from

> > Ketu to

> > Rahu when it is in the northern latitude and (b) from Rahu to ketu

> > when it

> > is in the southern latitude. There are various ways to know the Gati

> > (movement or direction) as being towards Rahu (Bhoga - enjoyments and

> > living

> > in the delusion of EGO) or as being towards Ketu (Moksha -

> > renunciation and

> > living without this delusion of self importance). I will leave this

> > for a

> > later date.

> >

> > Thus, it is the Rahu & Ketu and their trines that show ego

> > basking or

> > spiritual upliftment respectively. That is why in COVA I had

> > mentioned that

> > Rahu causes egoism and a egotist - obsession with the self and mental

> > gratification.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Karaka for DHARMA

> >

> > [sun or Jup. - consensus being that JUP, the Rajguru, is the

> > interpretor/

> > perceptor and SUN, as the King, is upholder of Dharma]

> >

> > RATH: The ninth house is the Dharma Bhava. Now, treat this as the

> > first

> > house for Dharma and we have two Karaka - first is the father from

> > whom the

> > Dharma comes. The first Karaka is the Sun. Thus a baby is reborn into

> > a

> > religion based on that adopted by his natural or foster father. I am

> > a hindu

> > simply because my father is a hindu. This is the first rule and the

> > Sun is

> > the first Karaka.

> >

> > Then comes learning of the dharma i.e. principles which guide life.

> > The

> > teachers of these will be the priests, guru's, mullah's etc depending

> > on the

> > religion for which the Karaka is Jupiter. Jupiter is a friend of the

> > Sun and

> > hence these priests etc will normally belong to the same religion as

> > that of

> > the father. This is the second rule for which the Karaka is Jupiter.

> >

> >

> > > Physical characteristics & physique:

> >

> > [The main issue was that the native is pretty & fair, but very slim

> > and

> > narrow framed, which is totally contrary to TA nativity.

> >

> >

> >

> > Partha mentioned, and others agreed, that it could be due to the

> > excessive

> > influence of SUN on the lagna lord.

> >

> > RATH: The Lagna is the Physical personality and not the Lagna Lord

> > unless

> > the lord is in Lagna itself. Secondly, you seem to have ignored

> > Drekkana and

> > Navamsa Lagna completely. Please study these aspects for describing

> > the

> > physical personality.

> >

> >

> >

> > As an afterthought, I seek Guru ji's comments on the following logic:

> >

> >

> >

> > Arudha Lagna indicates how a person is perceived by others -

> > therefore is it

> > correct to assume that AL is the determinator of persons appearance.

> >

> >

> >

> > If I may extend this argument a little further, can we say that AL in

> > D-1

> > indicates physical personality and AL in D-9 indicates spiritual/

> > intrinsic

> > personality.,]

> >

> > RATH: Perception is based on knowledge and Arudha does have some say

> > on

> > personlity like clothes (remember the saying clothes make a man).

> > However,

> > fat, slim, fair etc that are given by God is from Satya peetha i.e.

> > Lagna.

> >

> >

> >

> > Let us hope that Sanjay ji and other Gurus will kindly guide us.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

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>

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Dear Visti,

Just a small adds..

 

> Jala & Akasha Tattwa Grahas, give beutiful skin.

>

 

Budha also may give beautiful skin if associated with Lagna, and Navamsa sign of

Chandra would give the complexion

 

>

> Personality is seen from the Lagna.

> How others percieve it is seen from Arudha Lagna, and the Morals are seen

> from Navamsa Lagna.

 

Navamsa Lagna in addition determines the physicall appearance.. That is the rule

often given in classics.

--

Zoran Radosavljevic

Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre

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