Dimensions

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Shri Sanjay,

Namaste. Yesterday while replying to Visti, I was talking about the 4th

dimension of Jupiter. And, all along I was thinking it was a clear mistake

because shouldn't the upward face (Isana) connote the fifth dimension? I

thought Visti would correct it, along with other mistakes. But he didn't and I

have this funny compulsion to put it up to you.

The worst part is Guruji, yesterday evenwhile writing that particular sentence,

I was aware of this anomaly. Yet I was unable to correct it. It's as though

something was telling me that the fifth dimension is only for Higher Beings,

who have more refined existence, hence the power to access/ understand / handle

more dimensions. For ordinary human beings, it is 2 eyes, three dimensions,

while the 4th dimension is available to the more evolved among them. For lower

beings it's usually 1 eye, two dimensions, the third again being reserved for

those spiritually advanced in that category.

It's like the dimensions/co-ordinates are directly proportionate to the rate of evolution.

I haven't read this up anywhere, nor heard it being discussed. I really do not

know from where I got this (ridiculous?) idea but it does sound logical. Is

there any truth in it?

Regards,Lakshmi

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om gurave namah------------------------Dear Lakshmi

Let us take a walk through the divisions or D Charts. The range D1 to D12 is the

physical level and even animals are conscious about their children, property

(like tigers have their areas of rulership and lions lord of given parts of

jungle..then come to the next level where D13 to D24 charts are present. Here

man has an upper edge thanks to Mercury and the Upachaya ownership of this

planet. Learning languages (D24) is definitely not for the monkey nor is using

washing machine (D16) for the dog. Then come to the range D25 to D36 where the

subconsciousness become a director and of all the strengths the two POWER TO

WILL and POWER TO UNDERSTAND makes man many times above others in this planet.

Thats D27 and D30 charts..we understand that we suffer and also why we suffer .

Imagine those poor creatures who do not know anything about karma theory and

such philosophies to understand the ways of the creation. At this level we talk

of the fourthdimension and weather it is linear is a hard question to answer. It

seems so as the past life looks like something which we have lived as we are

presently living this life..but then are you sure! So time itself is a relative

concept and if this is true than he theory of Karma needs touching based on

correction of Karma to avert a worse next life by getting back in time to do

so..since we cannot do this we need not break our heads and continue with the

assumed linear dimension of time.

Now coming to the fifth dimension, you said Isana. No, thats not right as the

dimension is not based on direction. NE direction ruled by Isana or Isa or

sadashiva need not be the fifth dimension and is a part of the linear dimension

only.

I will not comment on this philosophy further for fear of shocking too many.

Just remember that what you are confusing is the planes of consciousness with

the question of dimension and assuming that the time is a linear continuuam.

There is a spiritual dimension and that is beyond the scope of this class. read

Yogananda for more on this. Try Kriya Yoga for a change.With best wishesSanjay

RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest:

http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/

- lakshmi ramesh

sjvc

Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:32 PM

[sjvc] Dimensions

Om Gurave Namah

Shri Sanjay,

Namaste. Yesterday while replying to Visti, I was talking about the 4th

dimension of Jupiter. And, all along I was thinking it was a clear mistake

because shouldn't the upward face (Isana) connote the fifth dimension? I

thought Visti would correct it, along with other mistakes. But he didn't and I

have this funny compulsion to put it up to you.

The worst part is Guruji, yesterday evenwhile writing that particular sentence,

I was aware of this anomaly. Yet I was unable to correct it. It's as though

something was telling me that the fifth dimension is only for Higher Beings,

who have more refined existence, hence the power to access/ understand / handle

more dimensions. For ordinary human beings, it is 2 eyes, three dimensions,

while the 4th dimension is available to the more evolved among them. For lower

beings it's usually 1 eye, two dimensions, the third again being reserved for

those spiritually advanced in that category.

It's like the dimensions/co-ordinates are directly proportionate to the rate of evolution.

I haven't read this up anywhere, nor heard it being discussed. I really do not

know from where I got this (ridiculous?) idea but it does sound logical. Is

there any truth in it?

Regards,Lakshmi

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Shri Sanjay,

Thanks for your lucid reply. I will try to read Yogananda and about Kriya yoga, as suggested by you.

Guruji, the thought that I was confusing dimensions with directions crossed my

mind too. But again, the "flash" kept coming back that, like in the case of

Pancha mukheeswara, the three visible faces represent the physical, while the

4th hidden from the view shows the hidden aspect of human mind, and the 5th

upward face is above all these and represents intuition or divya drishti and a

rising above the physical & emotional constraints. And that at any point of

time a human can see only 4 dimensions and not the 5th. For that "bird's eye

view"/all encompassing view, he needs to fly above,i.e., graduate to the Higher

Beings.

I again see a logical flaw in the above, but then that's how I received it.

Anyway, Guruji, this is a very weird experience for me too, and I will try to

read up as much as possible to unravel it.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Lakshmi

Let us take a walk through the divisions or D Charts. The range D1 to D12 is the

physical level and even animals are conscious about their children, property

(like tigers have their areas of rulership and lions lord of given parts of

jungle..then come to the next level where D13 to D24 charts are present. Here

man has an upper edge thanks to Mercury and the Upachaya ownership of this

planet. Learning languages (D24) is definitely not for the monkey nor is using

washing machine (D16) for the dog. Then come to the range D25 to D36 where the

subconsciousness become a director and of all the strengths the two POWER TO

WILL and POWER TO UNDERSTAND makes man many times above others in this planet.

Thats D27 and D30 charts..we understand that we suffer and also why we suffer .

Imagine those poor creatures who do not know anything about karma theory and

such philosophies to understand the ways of the creation. At this level we talk

of the fourthdimension and weather it is linear is a hard question to answer. It

seems so as the past life looks like something which we have lived as we are

presently living this life..but then are you sure! So time itself is a relative

concept and if this is true than he theory of Karma needs touching based on

correction of Karma to avert a worse next life by getting back in time to do

so..since we cannot do this we need not break our heads and continue with the

assumed linear dimension of time.

Now coming to the fifth dimension, you said Isana. No, thats not right as the

dimension is not based on direction. NE direction ruled by Isana or Isa or

sadashiva need not be the fifth dimension and is a part of the linear dimension

only.

I will not comment on this philosophy further for fear of shocking too many.

Just remember that what you are confusing is the planes of consciousness with

the question of dimension and assuming that the time is a linear continuuam.

There is a spiritual dimension and that is beyond the scope of this class. read

Yogananda for more on this. Try Kriya Yoga for a change.With best wishesSanjay

RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest:

http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/

- lakshmi ramesh

sjvc

Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:32 PM

[sjvc] Dimensions

Om Gurave Namah

Shri Sanjay,

Namaste. Yesterday while replying to Visti, I was talking about the 4th

dimension of Jupiter. And, all along I was thinking it was a clear mistake

because shouldn't the upward face (Isana) connote the fifth dimension? I

thought Visti would correct it, along with other mistakes. But he didn't and I

have this funny compulsion to put it up to you.

The worst part is Guruji, yesterday evenwhile writing that particular sentence,

I was aware of this anomaly. Yet I was unable to correct it. It's as though

something was telling me that the fifth dimension is only for Higher Beings,

who have more refined existence, hence the power to access/ understand / handle

more dimensions. For ordinary human beings, it is 2 eyes, three dimensions,

while the 4th dimension is available to the more evolved among them. For lower

beings it's usually 1 eye, two dimensions, the third again being reserved for

those spiritually advanced in that category.

It's like the dimensions/co-ordinates are directly proportionate to the rate of evolution.

I haven't read this up anywhere, nor heard it being discussed. I really do not

know from where I got this (ridiculous?) idea but it does sound logical. Is

there any truth in it?

Regards,Lakshmi

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Shri Sanjay,

Namaste. After my previous mail, I was mulling over your reply and was visited

by my good friend "Flash" again. He clarified that what he meant by lower

beings are not the cat/canine kind, but those "who do not occupy any space". I

tentatively asked him whether he meant the astral beings and he said yes. Then

I told him that I never had any interest in interacting with (t)his kind, that

I am never into seances or mediums and that I believe only in the

power/protection of Mother and her presence in all beings.

Then he (most certainly, European?) said that I was approached precisely for the

same reasons and also for my "sensitivity, insusceptibility, ability to seep

through a porous membrane(??) and two way communication skill". He also seemed

hurt by my comments about the astral kind and said that they were also Her

creation, and the question is not whether they are malefic or benefic but that

they ARE.

I got the impression that he is an elegant, softspoken man and the conversation

was only in English though I never heard his voice. I decided he was a

shortish, gnome like man when he suddenly grew fairly tall, spectacled and

urbane. I again decided he was male, and he laughingly tried to change into a

woman, but couldn't manage it midway through. All in all he seemed a genial

chap, anxious not to scare me.

He also seemed the kind who's unable to ask for favours and I figured that he

was trying to trade "knowledge " for some help. He had this strange beseeching

look on his face. And, on occasions he was all eyes...pleading. What were they

saying?

I was quite disturbed by this experience but was hesitant to approach you. I had

decided that I troubled you enough, made a mighty fool of myself and was

reluctant to take further risks. But those plaintive eyes. They were haunting

me and I had to get away. I went to Hanuman Temple and to Raghavendra swamy's

temple and prayed for guidance. Since I am a madhwa brahmin, Guru Raghavendra

is my janma guru. I meditated for one hour hoping for Truth to manifest.

Coincidentally Satyanarayana Vratam was being performed at the temple and

luckily I could get some prasadam.

I think the troubled spirit needs your attention, Guruji, and the name's

Harryson/Harrison. Perhaps you can help him.You knew him? Sanjayji, I put

before you all that happened as it happened. It's upto you to believe it or not

believe it. Earlier, on one occasion, I withheld disclosure of my dream being

afraid of ridicule and a precious life'd been lost. Perhaps even a lifelong

atonement will not wipe away that guilt. I will not do that mistake again.

Never.

Poojyaya Raaghavendraya Satya dharma rathaayachaBhajathaam kalpavrikshaaya namathaam kaamadhenave.

Regards,Lakshmi

Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Lakshmi

Let us take a walk through the divisions or D Charts. The range D1 to D12 is the

physical level and even animals are conscious about their children, property

(like tigers have their areas of rulership and lions lord of given parts of

jungle..then come to the next level where D13 to D24 charts are present. Here

man has an upper edge thanks to Mercury and the Upachaya ownership of this

planet. Learning languages (D24) is definitely not for the monkey nor is using

washing machine (D16) for the dog. Then come to the range D25 to D36 where the

subconsciousness become a director and of all the strengths the two POWER TO

WILL and POWER TO UNDERSTAND makes man many times above others in this planet.

Thats D27 and D30 charts..we understand that we suffer and also why we suffer .

Imagine those poor creatures who do not know anything about karma theory and

such philosophies to understand the ways of the creation. At this level we talk

of the fourthdimension and weather it is linear is a hard question to answer. It

seems so as the past life looks like something which we have lived as we are

presently living this life..but then are you sure! So time itself is a relative

concept and if this is true than he theory of Karma needs touching based on

correction of Karma to avert a worse next life by getting back in time to do

so..since we cannot do this we need not break our heads and continue with the

assumed linear dimension of time.

Now coming to the fifth dimension, you said Isana. No, thats not right as the

dimension is not based on direction. NE direction ruled by Isana or Isa or

sadashiva need not be the fifth dimension and is a part of the linear dimension

only.

I will not comment on this philosophy further for fear of shocking too many.

Just remember that what you are confusing is the planes of consciousness with

the question of dimension and assuming that the time is a linear continuuam.

There is a spiritual dimension and that is beyond the scope of this class. read

Yogananda for more on this. Try Kriya Yoga for a change.With best wishesSanjay

RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest:

http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/

- lakshmi ramesh

sjvc

Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:32 PM

[sjvc] Dimensions

Om Gurave Namah

Shri Sanjay,

Namaste. Yesterday while replying to Visti, I was talking about the 4th

dimension of Jupiter. And, all along I was thinking it was a clear mistake

because shouldn't the upward face (Isana) connote the fifth dimension? I

thought Visti would correct it, along with other mistakes. But he didn't and I

have this funny compulsion to put it up to you.

The worst part is Guruji, yesterday evenwhile writing that particular sentence,

I was aware of this anomaly. Yet I was unable to correct it. It's as though

something was telling me that the fifth dimension is only for Higher Beings,

who have more refined existence, hence the power to access/ understand / handle

more dimensions. For ordinary human beings, it is 2 eyes, three dimensions,

while the 4th dimension is available to the more evolved among them. For lower

beings it's usually 1 eye, two dimensions, the third again being reserved for

those spiritually advanced in that category.

It's like the dimensions/co-ordinates are directly proportionate to the rate of evolution.

I haven't read this up anywhere, nor heard it being discussed. I really do not

know from where I got this (ridiculous?) idea but it does sound logical. Is

there any truth in it?

Regards,Lakshmi

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Shri Sanjay,

Namaste. After my previous mail, I was mulling over your reply and was visited

by my good friend "Flash" again. He clarified that what he meant by lower

beings are not the cat/canine kind, but those "who do not occupy any space". I

tentatively asked him whether he meant the astral beings and he said yes. Then

I told him that I never had any interest in interacting with (t)his kind, that

I am never into seances or mediums and that I believe only in the

power/protection of Mother and her presence in all beings.

Then he (most certainly, European?) said that I was approached precisely for the

same reasons and also for my "sensitivity, insusceptibility, ability to seep

through a porous membrane(??) and two way communication skill". He also seemed

hurt by my comments about the astral kind and said that they were also Her

creation, and the question is not whether they are malefic or benefic but that

they ARE.

I got the impression that he is an elegant, softspoken man and the conversation

was only in English though I never heard his voice. I decided he was a

shortish, gnome like man when he suddenly grew fairly tall, spectacled and

urbane. I again decided he was male, and he laughingly tried to change into a

woman, but couldn't manage it midway through. All in all he seemed a genial

chap, anxious not to scare me.

He also seemed the kind who's unable to ask for favours and I figured that he

was trying to trade "knowledge " for some help. He had this strange beseeching

look on his face. And, on occasions he was all eyes...pleading. What were they

saying?

I was quite disturbed by this experience but was hesitant to approach you. I had

decided that I troubled you enough, made a mighty fool of myself and was

reluctant to take further risks. But those plaintive eyes. They were haunting

me and I had to get away. I went to Hanuman Temple and to Raghavendra swamy's

temple and prayed for guidance. Since I am a madhwa brahmin, Guru Raghavendra

is my janma guru. I meditated for one hour hoping for Truth to manifest.

Coincidentally Satyanarayana Vratam was being performed at the temple and

luckily I could get some prasadam.

I think the troubled spirit needs your attention, Guruji, and the name's

Harryson/Harrison. Perhaps you can help him.You knew him? Sanjayji, I put

before you all that happened as it happened. It's upto you to believe it or not

believe it. Earlier, on one occasion, I withheld disclosure of my dream being

afraid of ridicule and a precious life'd been lost. Perhaps even a lifelong

atonement will not wipe away that guilt. I will not do that mistake again.

Never.

Poojyaya Raaghavendraya Satya dharma rathaayachaBhajathaam kalpavrikshaaya namathaam kaamadhenave.

Regards,Lakshmi

 

 

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Guruji,

Wonderful answer, and such humour too. I am grinning and my three replies to

your single mail show how many times I re-read your reply and my new crystal

ball tells me that there are more mails in store for you!

Regards,

Lakshmi

Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Lakshmi

Let us take a walk through the divisions or D Charts. The range D1 to D12 is the

physical level and even animals are conscious about their children, property

(like tigers have their areas of rulership and lions lord of given parts of

jungle..then come to the next level where D13 to D24 charts are present. Here

man has an upper edge thanks to Mercury and the Upachaya ownership of this

planet. Learning languages (D24) is definitely not for the monkey nor is using

washing machine (D16) for the dog. Then come to the range D25 to D36 where the

subconsciousness become a director and of all the strengths the two POWER TO

WILL and POWER TO UNDERSTAND makes man many times above others in this planet.

Thats D27 and D30 charts..we understand that we suffer and also why we suffer .

Imagine those poor creatures who do not know anything about karma theory and

such philosophies to understand the ways of the creation. At this level we talk

of the fourthdimension and weather it is linear is a hard question to answer. It

seems so as the past life looks like something which we have lived as we are

presently living this life..but then are you sure! So time itself is a relative

concept and if this is true than he theory of Karma needs touching based on

correction of Karma to avert a worse next life by getting back in time to do

so..since we cannot do this we need not break our heads and continue with the

assumed linear dimension of time.

Now coming to the fifth dimension, you said Isana. No, thats not right as the

dimension is not based on direction. NE direction ruled by Isana or Isa or

sadashiva need not be the fifth dimension and is a part of the linear dimension

only.

I will not comment on this philosophy further for fear of shocking too many.

Just remember that what you are confusing is the planes of consciousness with

the question of dimension and assuming that the time is a linear continuuam.

There is a spiritual dimension and that is beyond the scope of this class. read

Yogananda for more on this. Try Kriya Yoga for a change.With best wishesSanjay

RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices:

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest:

http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/

- lakshmi ramesh

sjvc

Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:32 PM

[sjvc] Dimensions

Om Gurave Namah

Shri Sanjay,

Namaste. Yesterday while replying to Visti, I was talking about the 4th

dimension of Jupiter. And, all along I was thinking it was a clear mistake

because shouldn't the upward face (Isana) connote the fifth dimension? I

thought Visti would correct it, along with other mistakes. But he didn't and I

have this funny compulsion to put it up to you.

The worst part is Guruji, yesterday evenwhile writing that particular sentence,

I was aware of this anomaly. Yet I was unable to correct it. It's as though

something was telling me that the fifth dimension is only for Higher Beings,

who have more refined existence, hence the power to access/ understand / handle

more dimensions. For ordinary human beings, it is 2 eyes, three dimensions,

while the 4th dimension is available to the more evolved among them. For lower

beings it's usually 1 eye, two dimensions, the third again being reserved for

those spiritually advanced in that category.

It's like the dimensions/co-ordinates are directly proportionate to the rate of evolution.

I haven't read this up anywhere, nor heard it being discussed. I really do not

know from where I got this (ridiculous?) idea but it does sound logical. Is

there any truth in it?

Regards,Lakshmi

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