AW: Question on birth time

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Namaste,

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Since

we are already at it, I would like to throw in my two pence, too. Satyacharya

adresses the question in Satya Jatakam and states that “bhu

patanam” ie.  The moment

when the baby´s full body emerges and touches the earth is the time of birth

(as opposed to the moment when the head first shows).

 

Taking

the time of cutting the umbilical chord makes sense,  but is it clearly supported by

Satyacharya? I am not sure and this is a bit confusing to me, because on the

one hand we strictly quote authorities on certain issues and then we ignore

them on others.

 

And

to make matters worse, there is yet another version: some say that the babys

independent existence starts with the first cry or the first breath. As soon as

the new born baby starts breathing on his or her own, the umbilical chord becomes

non-functional. After a few minutes the chord stops pulsating and kind of dies

off, even if it is not cut immediately. I had personal experience of this

during the birth of my second son. His head emerged at 7.17, the body emerged

at 7.18 but the chord was only cut at 7,32 and 40

seconds.

 

In

my son´s chart taking either of these birth times makes quite a difference in

the vargas. The midwife had me personally cut the

umbilical chord and when I held and cut it, it seemed to be a dead piece of

matter already. So taking the time of the first breath or cry also makes sense

to me. I am still undecided.

 

One

thing is for certain: If moment of the cutting of the cord is the real birth time,

then many, many charts will require rectification in the vargas, as most birth

times will  probably be off by a few

minutes.

 

Regards,

Arno

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Von: Nimmi Ragavan

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Februar

2002 08:06

An: sjvc

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birth time

 

Hi,

 

During a recent

conversation with a doctor, I was told that cutting the cord triggers physical

changes in the baby, almost like a shock, and that is when the baby cries. So

there seems to be a very valid physical reason as wel for Sanjay's guide.

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

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sjvc

Thursday, February

21, 2002 4:56 AM

RE: [sjvc]

Question on birth time

 

Namaste,

this approach has been *status quo* for some time, yet Sanjay has been very

specific in guiding us

to the

cutting of the cord, and the logic behind this. That is, baby on her/his own

witout mother supplying

the

essentials to remain alive.

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Jyotish [jyotish (AT) shaw (DOT) ca]

Wednesday, February 20, 2002

5:34 PM

sjvc

Re: [sjvc] Question on

birth time

Hello Jayakrishnan,

 

I believe it is the time when the

head first crowns as this is the time when the body is first exposed to the

ether and is when the rays of planets first enter the body of the baby thereby

programming its life path.

 

Regards,

Jyotish

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sjvc

Wednesday,

February 20, 2002 11:26 AM

[sjvc]

Question on birth time

 

Om Gam

Ganapathaye Namah

 

I am confused on a very

basic question. What do we take as the birth time? the time when the baby's

head appears from the womb, when it comes out completely, when it cries first

or when the umbilical cord is cut? (Are there any more possibilities?)

 

Could the respected gurus

and peers on the list shed light on this?

Thanks

Jayakrishnan

 

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