Ishtadevata & Debilitation of AK

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Namaste Guruji,

If the house of Ishta Devata(12th from karakamsa) is also the sign of

debilitation of AK, how is it to be interpreted? That AK becoming humble before

the Ishta devata is proper and augurs well for spiritual matters, but not so

well for material matters?

Regards,Lakshmi

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Pujya Gurudev, Lakshmiji and list members,

when the 12th from AK is the sign of the debilitation of the AK, does this

mean that the ishta devata will be revealed when the native is in distress.ex,

with jupiter as AK, when the native does an adharmic act the native moves

closer to ishta devata for repentance or with Saturn as AK, the ishta devata

will be revealed when something bad happens at workplace. Ofcourse, the chara

karakatwa of the planet signifying the ishta devata will indicate the person

who will lead to the ishtadevata whereas the sign reveals the

circumstances.Also, i had one more doubt.The Bhagavad Gita teaches us that the

soul is untainted.But, it is covered by the illusion of maya by the mind.So,

does the AK in the chart reveal the pure blissful soul or does it represent the

soul covered in maya? My understanding as of now is that the latter should be

true because the pure soul never grieves nor does the material world affect it.

Please correct my understanding,

Your sishya,

K.N.Sriram

 

sjvc, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave

Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > If the house of Ishta Devata(12th from karakamsa)

is also the sign of debilitation of AK, how is it to be interpreted? That AK

becoming humble before the Ishta devata is proper and augurs well for

spiritual matters, but not so well for material matters?> > Regards,> Lakshmi >

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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Sriram,

Another sishya’s perspective follows. I too hope that the gurus would guide us.

My AK is Mars with Sun in Leo, and the 12th house is Cancer, without any planet

in it. That makes Moon (AmK)-Mother - my Ishta devata. I don’t think that I

have gone to Her because I was a victim/perpetrator of violence or passion

(Mars) or because of some innate wisdom, because I was pretty young when I

turned to Her. Out of loneliness, perhaps, because I was an only child.

And, I wasn’t certainly led to her by my mother (natural karakatwa), infact it

was the other way round! To be frank, I don’t even know if I have been led to

Her by “anyone”. It’s natural gravitation, as though She has always been

there….even before I could give a name to that Presence.

Perhaps, our other friends would be of much more help here.

Incidentally, in my chart Mars is also the lagnamsa lord and the Moon is in the

12th from lagnamsa. Moon is also in the 9th house in vimsamsa, so, hopefully,

She’s my last stop.

Another offshoot of this discussion is that I noticed that my Dharma Devata’s

exaltation is in the house of my Ishta. Anyways, I find Dharma being empowered

and Self being weakened a highly desirable combination!

I feel that AK is an intermediary between “Aatma” and “Maya” and knows about the

existence of both. Aatma being pure sattwa (bliss) would be oblivious to any

maya, and Maya being pure tamas (ignorance)would be have never heard of any

aatma. Atmakaraka, because he signifies “creation of a body” would be rajas

(knowledge). His primary aim is to negate himself along with “maya” +”aatma”,

so that nothing “saguna” remains at the end. What remains is only “Nirguna Para

Brahma”.

Please do correct me.

Regards,

Lakshmi

"Sriram.N.Kizhakkemadam" <snk110 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Hare Rama KrishnaOm Gurave namah

Pujya Gurudev, Lakshmiji and list members,

when the 12th from AK is the sign of the debilitation of the AK, does this

mean that the ishta devata will be revealed when the native is in distress.ex,

with jupiter as AK, when the native does an adharmic act the native moves

closer to ishta devata for repentance or with Saturn as AK, the ishta devata

will be revealed when something bad happens at workplace. Ofcourse, the chara

karakatwa of the planet signifying the ishta devata will indicate the person

who will lead to the ishtadevata whereas the sign reveals the

circumstances.Also, i had one more doubt.The Bhagavad Gita teaches us that the

soul is untainted.But, it is covered by the illusion of maya by the mind.So,

does the AK in the chart reveal the pure blissful soul or does it represent the

soul covered in maya? My understanding as of now is that the latter should be

true because the pure soul never grieves nor does the material world affect it.

Please correct my understanding,

Your sishya,

K.N.Sriram

 

sjvc, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave

Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > If the house of Ishta Devata(12th from karakamsa)

is also the sign of debilitation of AK, how is it to be interpreted? That AK

becoming humble before the Ishta devata is proper and augurs well for

spiritual matters, but not so well for material matters?> > Regards,> Lakshmi >

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om gurave namah------------------------Dear Sriram,

12 is a very strange house and we have some very strange rules for it. The day

we understand all this totally, then we would not like to stay in this planet

for a day also. Take Bhavartha Ratnakara for change. Ramanujacharya says that a

person is fortunate w.r.t those Bhava's whose Karaka's are in the 12th house. To

this I add my experience: If the Karaka of the Bhava where Rahu is placed is in

the 12th house, then the evils of Rahu can be checked by that planet. Such

strange things exist out there. debility is in fact, a good thing in that it

makes you humble. To this add the teaching of Jaimini - Tasmin ucche neeche va

Srimantaha...

Now, to bring you out of the confusion: The Atma is neither exalted by mundane

things offered by the Rasi (Aditya) nor debilitated by the sorrows or

suffering. It merely observes. It is in a state of perpetual strength as it is

the king of the horoscope. If the king is weak can we say that the citizens or

minister etc are strong? No. similarly when the AK is in a state of weakness

(seemingly though in a particular birth), it is really not weak.

The 12th house being a sign of debility is of no particular significance for the

AK. Take Venus in Libra. Venus is debilitated in the 12th from this sign. Shall

we say that Venus is uncomfortable in Libra!! If you are not spiritual or you

become spiritual, it is NOT YOU who is making this happen. It is the aspect of

Vishnu Bhagavan as He moves in the various signs i the form of DHARMA in the

Drig dasa. The Drig Dasa Rasi is the sign where Jagannath is present TODAY. So,

see if He is looking at you, or at your Karma or at your Arudha. Try to

associate yourself with those things where the EYES OF JAGANNATH are looking as

per the Rasi drishti of the Drig dasa Rasi. that way you will get tuned to Him.

Of course the Gita is right, but although we speak its language, do we really

follow it. This should be the question we ask each moment. Look at a light

bulb. Is it giving the same radiance it did when it was bought? Not that the

light in the world has diminished, but just that a thin layer of dust has

gathered over it. All that I am telling all of you is to clean this bulb's

covering each day so that there is no obstruction to the (inner) light.

As a first step, I ask you all to try to find the bulb first, as there is some

light within your room (Brain) but you don't know where it is coming from. The

planets aspecting the 12th from AK or its Lord shall take you to this source of

light and then you will know how to clean it.With best wishes & blessings.Sanjay

Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com

- Sriram.N.Kizhakkemadam

sjvc

Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:18 PM

[sjvc] Re: Ishtadevata & Debilitation of AK

Hare Rama KrishnaOm Gurave namah

Pujya Gurudev, Lakshmiji and list members,

when the 12th from AK is the sign of the debilitation of the AK, does this

mean that the ishta devata will be revealed when the native is in distress.ex,

with jupiter as AK, when the native does an adharmic act the native moves

closer to ishta devata for repentance or with Saturn as AK, the ishta devata

will be revealed when something bad happens at workplace. Ofcourse, the chara

karakatwa of the planet signifying the ishta devata will indicate the person

who will lead to the ishtadevata whereas the sign reveals the

circumstances.Also, i had one more doubt.The Bhagavad Gita teaches us that the

soul is untainted.But, it is covered by the illusion of maya by the mind.So,

does the AK in the chart reveal the pure blissful soul or does it represent the

soul covered in maya? My understanding as of now is that the latter should be

true because the pure soul never grieves nor does the material world affect it.

Please correct my understanding,

Your sishya,

K.N.Sriram

 

sjvc, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave

Namah> > Namaste Guruji,> > If the house of Ishta Devata(12th from karakamsa)

is also the sign of debilitation of AK, how is it to be interpreted? That AK

becoming humble before the Ishta devata is proper and augurs well for

spiritual matters, but not so well for material matters?> > Regards,> Lakshmi >

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