Functional vs Natural - Vishu, Ramapriya, Vishal

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Nitish,

 

You have to read these lines in conjunction with the previous para about Jupiter

dasa in my answer. These effects will show up only during their dasa. AK wants

our soul to be cleaned and take it to Moksha, either in this birth or make the

preparation to happen in one of the future births. So, Malefic AK show us the

hard path in that direction and he is not intending to harm us.

 

As Vishwanatham said do not worry much about this. It has very little effect in

your chart. AK is well placed in navamsa. Your problem is in Saturn and Moon.

They are very very close. So, please try to calm your mind and keep the mind

always occupied with some work. I do not have time to go further on the chart.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

---Original Message-----Nitish Arya [anitish (AT) mailcity (DOT) com]12

January 2002 10:48 PMsjvcSubject: Re: [sjvc] Functional vs

Natural - Vishu, Ramapriya, Vishal

Respected Solai Ji, One of your past mails has put me in a lot of trouble.

You wrote"On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the

results will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. "

Please tell me what do you mean by "too much of trouble" here??? This is

exactly happening in my natal horoscope with Sun as AK and eighth house lord.

Even worse, its also getting 4th aspect of Mars(malefic) and 3rd aspect of 2nd

lord Saturn (maraka and natural malefic). Also its in rashi exchange with Mars.

To add to the "too much of trouble", its kashta phala is 50.2. After reading

your mail, I am feeling I am in a big trouble. I didn't realize this fact till

now that my horoscope has become a real mess because of this sun, in particular

my 11th and 5th houses are ruined. The only relief is that mahadasha of sun

will never come in my life, but what about antardasha? Though, somehow, nothing

horrible happened to me in Mars-Sun dasha but my mothers' father died

(Mars-Moon) on 3rd Jan, 2000 and my fathers' elder brother died on 27th May

1998 (Mars-Venus). Currently, I am running Rahu-Rahu and it is the worst period

of my life or anyones' life who is not getting a job even after doing BTech. in

computer science from IIT (got into IIT in Mars-Me, completed BTech. in

May,2001 and lost two campus placements and another job in 2001, now jobless).

Now I understand that all this is happening because of Rahu which is posited in

Leo as it is giving the results of Sun. I think the worst is yet to happen in

Rahu-Sun dasha. Please tell the extent to which sun can harm me and what can

I do, if at all anything can be done, to overcome this "too much of a trouble"

in my life and job, in particular. Can I expect some other planet to override

the harm that sun as AK is causing? Will Sun transfer its bundle of

maleficence to the AL and 5th house also where it is aspecting? Can I expect a

job in Rahu-Rahu or will I remain jobless till the next dasha of Rahu-Jupiter?

I have asked a lot of questions from you, but it was the frustration that I

didn't get a job after completing BTech. from IIT(except for a short term from

15-10-2001 till 5-12-2001 when the company itself got shut down) that I took to

reading astrology and see what is there in it for me. With my current knowledge

of astrology, I can make out only a very dismal picture of future and equally

bad things are happening to me in this Rahu-Rahu dasha. Will things improve in

this Rahu mahadasha of which 16 more years are yet to come? I only hope that

you will tell me all that you can see and not hide a thing, however bad. In

case you need it, my birth data is 12-12-1979 10:27am, New Delhi,India. my

sincerest thanks for your help,regards,nitish--On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:26:01

Solai Kannan wrote:>OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH>JAYA JAGANNATHA>>Namaste

Vishwanatham,>>I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or

natural>guna of a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections.

But,>functional is external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a

satwik>person becomes a Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other police. He

may>use his discretion to identify the real culprits and he may be soft

with>innocents. He may try to help the innocents within his functional

framework.>I know many auditors, who blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly,

there are>some auditors, who unearths only vital deliberate mistakes. Here

the>function is same, but the persons individual nature differentiates the

final>action.>>Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so

dreadful.>Jupiter is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points

for>Jupiter being malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments,

sufferings,>troubles. But, due to his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold

medal, nice>wife, nice children. That is all. No happiness, instead more mental

troubles>(12th from chandra lagna), no wealth (Marnakaraksthana).>>On the

contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the results>will be

worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. However, if>he is

neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.>>Ramapriya: Sun is the King, his duty is to

uphold Dharma. Agreed. A King>should have police, jail, court and defense; and

he guards the nation with>these forces from the enemies (internal and

external). Similarly, Sun as>natural atmakarak (King) guards the native from

his Shadripus, (enemies), to>make the native be dharmic. He must be strict as

the military chief.>>Vishal: You asked a relevant question in your answers to

Lesson 3. I thought>of replying in the evaluation. As it is relevant here, I

will reply. Saturn>and Ketu are tamasic. Agreed. But, they do not give

spirituality, directly.>These malefics make the losses. In material sense, it

is negative. In>spiritual sense, it is good for a saint. Loss of wealth, wife

and children>is a negative matters. But, a saint does this voluntarily. So,

look at them>in this angle.>>Thanks>Solai Kannan>> -----Original

Message----->vishwanatham [vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com]>12

January 2002 5:51 AM>sjvc>[sjvc] Functional vs

Natural>>> Hare Rama Krishna>> Namaste Ramapriya,>> Thanks for your mail,

which was well written. What you essentially say> is they(functional & natural

traits) are intertwined in a planet in a> chart.>> What i wanted to understand

is these two separately, so as to answer a> question like- when a natural

benefic like Venus (which has become a> functional malefic) gives a rasi

drishti, what to make of it? Is it> always a combinatorial effect or is there

a pre-ponderance of one> (functional/natural) over other?>> Since the

situations one gets will be numerous, an analogy could be> helpful in

understanding and applying.>> Now, regarding the planet Sun as a malefic,

recently I read a mail> from Mr Sarajit saying that the words used in BPHS are

Kroora/Saumya,> which are translated as Malefic/benefic.>> Earlier on a mail

from Guruji Solai explained it as a teacher, who> beats a student(kroora) and

one who gives lower marks (saumya).>> Since, purusha/prakriti, male/female,

malefic/benefic are given> conditions, we need only to undersand them. Hope

this sets you on> course.>> Once again thanks for your mail.>> Regards>

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Respected Solai Ji and Vishwanatham,

Thanks for the reassurance and clearing my doubts about the maleficence of

AK in my chart. I got much worried because of so many redundant bad factors

coming in at the same point in the chart. I hope that the things will improve in

near future.

Saturn and Moon, which are very close, are forming a very strong rajyoga in

the 9th house(I think it is Kali yoga, it was also in the chart of Swami

Vivekananda) as also vimshopak of Saturn is 18.2. So the problem making factor

can be moon only. Should I wear Pearl to pacify mental tensions and anxiety

arousing out of this combination? Also, Does the marakatwa of 2nd lord Saturn

and 7th lord Moon add up?

thanks again,

regards,

nitish

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:56:05

Solai Kannan wrote:

>OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

>JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

>Namaste Nitish,

>

>You have to read these lines in conjunction with the previous para about

>Jupiter dasa in my answer. These effects will show up only during their

>dasa. AK wants our soul to be cleaned and take it to Moksha, either in this

>birth or make the preparation to happen in one of the future births. So,

>Malefic AK show us the hard path in that direction and he is not intending

>to harm us.

>

>As Vishwanatham said do not worry much about this. It has very little effect

>in your chart. AK is well placed in navamsa. Your problem is in Saturn and

>Moon. They are very very close. So, please try to calm your mind and keep

>the mind always occupied with some work. I do not have time to go further on

>the chart.

>

>Thanks

>Solai Kannan

>

>---Original Message-----

>Nitish Arya [anitish]

>12 January 2002 10:48 PM

>sjvc

>Re: [sjvc] Functional vs Natural - Vishu, Ramapriya, Vishal

>

>

> Respected Solai Ji,

> One of your past mails has put me in a lot of trouble. You wrote

>

> "On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the

>results will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. "

>

> Please tell me what do you mean by "too much of trouble" here??? This

>is exactly happening in my natal horoscope with Sun as AK and eighth house

>lord. Even worse, its also getting 4th aspect of Mars(malefic) and 3rd

>aspect of 2nd lord Saturn (maraka and natural malefic). Also its in rashi

>exchange with Mars. To add to the "too much of trouble", its kashta phala is

>50.2. After reading your mail, I am feeling I am in a big trouble. I didn't

>realize this fact till now that my horoscope has become a real mess because

>of this sun, in particular my 11th and 5th houses are ruined.

> The only relief is that mahadasha of sun will never come in my life,

>but what about antardasha? Though, somehow, nothing horrible happened to me

>in Mars-Sun dasha but my mothers' father died (Mars-Moon) on 3rd Jan, 2000

>and my fathers' elder brother died on 27th May 1998 (Mars-Venus). Currently,

>I am running Rahu-Rahu and it is the worst period of my life or anyones'

>life who is not getting a job even after doing BTech. in computer science

>from IIT (got into IIT in Mars-Me, completed BTech. in May,2001 and lost two

>campus placements and another job in 2001, now jobless). Now I understand

>that all this is happening because of Rahu which is posited in Leo as it is

>giving the results of Sun. I think the worst is yet to happen in Rahu-Sun

>dasha.

> Please tell the extent to which sun can harm me and what can I do, if

>at all anything can be done, to overcome this "too much of a trouble" in my

>life and job, in particular. Can I expect some other planet to override the

>harm that sun as AK is causing? Will Sun transfer its bundle of maleficence

>to the AL and 5th house also where it is aspecting? Can I expect a job in

>Rahu-Rahu or will I remain jobless till the next dasha of Rahu-Jupiter?

> I have asked a lot of questions from you, but it was the frustration

>that I didn't get a job after completing BTech. from IIT(except for a short

>term from 15-10-2001 till 5-12-2001 when the company itself got shut down)

>that I took to reading astrology and see what is there in it for me. With my

>current knowledge of astrology, I can make out only a very dismal picture of

>future and equally bad things are happening to me in this Rahu-Rahu dasha.

>Will things improve in this Rahu mahadasha of which 16 more years are yet to

>come?

> I only hope that you will tell me all that you can see and not hide a

>thing, however bad.

> In case you need it, my birth data is 12-12-1979 10:27am, New Delhi,India.

> my sincerest thanks for your help,

> regards,

> nitish

> --

>

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:26:01

> Solai Kannan wrote:

> >OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> >JAYA JAGANNATHA

> >

> >Namaste Vishwanatham,

> >

> >I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or natural

> >guna of a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections. But,

> >functional is external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a

>satwik

> >person becomes a Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other police. He

>may

> >use his discretion to identify the real culprits and he may be soft with

> >innocents. He may try to help the innocents within his functional

>framework.

> >I know many auditors, who blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly, there

>are

> >some auditors, who unearths only vital deliberate mistakes. Here the

> >function is same, but the persons individual nature differentiates the

>final

> >action.

> >

> >Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so dreadful.

> >Jupiter is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points for

> >Jupiter being malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments, sufferings,

> >troubles. But, due to his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold medal,

>nice

> >wife, nice children. That is all. No happiness, instead more mental

>troubles

> >(12th from chandra lagna), no wealth (Marnakaraksthana).

> >

> >On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the

>results

> >will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. However,

>if

> >he is neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.

> >

> >Ramapriya: Sun is the King, his duty is to uphold Dharma. Agreed. A King

> >should have police, jail, court and defense; and he guards the nation

>with

> >these forces from the enemies (internal and external). Similarly, Sun as

> >natural atmakarak (King) guards the native from his Shadripus, (enemies),

>to

> >make the native be dharmic. He must be strict as the military chief.

> >

> >Vishal: You asked a relevant question in your answers to Lesson 3. I

>thought

> >of replying in the evaluation. As it is relevant here, I will reply.

>Saturn

> >and Ketu are tamasic. Agreed. But, they do not give spirituality,

>directly.

> >These malefics make the losses. In material sense, it is negative. In

> >spiritual sense, it is good for a saint. Loss of wealth, wife and

>children

> >is a negative matters. But, a saint does this voluntarily. So, look at

>them

> >in this angle.

> >

> >Thanks

> >Solai Kannan

> >

> >

> >vishwanatham [vishwanatham]

> >12 January 2002 5:51 AM

> >sjvc

> >[sjvc] Functional vs Natural

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Namaste Ramapriya,

> >

> > Thanks for your mail, which was well written. What you essentially say

> > is they(functional & natural traits) are intertwined in a planet in a

> > chart.

> >

> > What i wanted to understand is these two separately, so as to answer a

> > question like- when a natural benefic like Venus (which has become a

> > functional malefic) gives a rasi drishti, what to make of it? Is it

> > always a combinatorial effect or is there a pre-ponderance of one

> > (functional/natural) over other?

> >

> > Since the situations one gets will be numerous, an analogy could be

> > helpful in understanding and applying.

> >

> > Now, regarding the planet Sun as a malefic, recently I read a mail

> > from Mr Sarajit saying that the words used in BPHS are Kroora/Saumya,

> > which are translated as Malefic/benefic.

> >

> > Earlier on a mail from Guruji Solai explained it as a teacher, who

> > beats a student(kroora) and one who gives lower marks (saumya).

> >

> > Since, purusha/prakriti, male/female, malefic/benefic are given

> > conditions, we need only to undersand them. Hope this sets you on

> > course.

> >

> > Once again thanks for your mail.

> >

> > Regards

> > viswanadham

> >

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