Functional vs Natural - Vishu, Ramapriya, Vishal

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Lakshmi,

 

Thanks for your greetings and wish you the same.

 

Transit is one of the factors only. Your lagna, lagna lord and 8th lord are very

strong and Saturn can do only a very little damage. Plus, as you mentioned his

Karakatwa also will reduce due to Maranakarakasthana. But, during his dasa and

subdasa, bavas signified by his houses, will get affected. You are right about

the Dhana.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]12 January 2002 11:35 AMTo:

sjvcSubject: Re: [sjvc] Functional vs Natural - Vishu,

Ramapriya, Vishal

Om Gurave Namah Namaste Solai, A related query. In my case, Saturn is in lagna

and lords houses 2 & 3. Taken in isolation, my understanding is that Saturn

gets special maraka powers, because a)he's a malefic b) he's strong (in kendra

& retrograde) c) he's in marana karaka sthana, and there's every likelihood

that death might occur during the transits of Saturn. Am I right, or his maraka

powers are afflicted because he's in marana karaka sthana ( all the

significations of the planet placed in marana karaka sthana suffer: Sanjayji in

"Narayan Dasa"). For Dhana (2nd house) since the natural significator (Jupiter)

is strong, there may be lessening of affliction. But for longevity, Saturn is

also the natural significator, so how to interpret this? I seem to have a lot

of confusion in this regard. Please do clarify.

I am disregarding the fact that Jupiter is the lagna lord & Chandra lagna lord

as well as the Palanakarta. I wish Sanjayji, you & the list members and all

their families a very happy Makar Sankranthi. Regards, Lakshmi Solai Kannan

<solai (AT) ihb (DOT) net> wrote:

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Vishwanatham,

 

I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or natural guna of

a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections. But, functional is

external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a satwik person becomes a

Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other police. He may use his discretion

to identify the real culprits and he may be soft with innocents. He may try to

help the innocents within his functional framework. I know many auditors, who

blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly, there are some auditors, who unearths

only vital deliberate mistakes. Here the function is same, but the persons

individual nature differentiates the final action.

 

Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so dreadful. Jupiter

is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points for Jupiter being

malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments, sufferings, troubles. But, due to

his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold medal, nice wife, nice children. That

is all. No happiness, instead more mental troubles (12th from chandra lagna), no

wealth (Marnakaraksthana).

 

On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the results

will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. However, if he

is neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.

 

Ramapriya: Sun is the King, his duty is to uphold Dharma. Agreed. A King should

have police, jail, court and defense; and he guards the nation with these

forces from the enemies (internal and external). Similarly, Sun as natural

atmakarak (King) guards the native from his Shadripus, (enemies), to make the

native be dharmic. He must be strict as the military chief.

 

Vishal: You asked a relevant question in your answers to Lesson 3. I thought of

replying in the evaluation. As it is relevant here, I will reply. Saturn and

Ketu are tamasic. Agreed. But, they do not give spirituality, directly. These

malefics make the losses. In material sense, it is negative. In spiritual

sense, it is good for a saint. Loss of wealth, wife and children is a negative

matters. But, a saint does this voluntarily. So, look at them in this angle.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

 

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste Guruji Solai,

 

Many thanks for your mail.

 

I remember your example of policeman! The point of a good person

trying to be bad or a bad trying to be good is well understood by me.

 

The doubt I had was, is it like the five fold relationship of

friendship and enemity.

 

>From your mail it appears to me that it is not. Please let me know if

I inferred it wrongly.

 

Regards

your shisya

viswanadham

 

 

sjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@i...> wrote:

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Vishwanatham,

>

> I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or

natural

> guna of a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections.

But,

> functional is external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a

satwik

> person becomes a Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other

police. He may

> use his discretion to identify the real culprits and he may be soft

with

> innocents. He may try to help the innocents within his functional

framework.

> I know many auditors, who blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly,

there are

> some auditors, who unearths only vital deliberate mistakes. Here the

> function is same, but the persons individual nature differentiates

the final

> action.

>

> Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so

dreadful.

> Jupiter is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points

for

> Jupiter being malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments,

sufferings,

> troubles. But, due to his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold

medal, nice

> wife, nice children. That is all. No happiness, instead more mental

troubles

> (12th from chandra lagna), no wealth (Marnakaraksthana).

>

> On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the

results

> will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble.

However, if

> he is neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.

>

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Respected Solai Ji,

One of your past mails has put me in a lot of trouble. You wrote

 

"On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the results

will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. "

 

Please tell me what do you mean by "too much of trouble" here??? This is

exactly happening in my natal horoscope with Sun as AK and eighth house lord.

Even worse, its also getting 4th aspect of Mars(malefic) and 3rd aspect of 2nd

lord Saturn (maraka and natural malefic). Also its in rashi exchange with Mars.

To add to the "too much of trouble", its kashta phala is 50.2. After reading

your mail, I am feeling I am in a big trouble. I didn't realize this fact till

now that my horoscope has become a real mess because of this sun, in particular

my 11th and 5th houses are ruined.

The only relief is that mahadasha of sun will never come in my life, but what

about antardasha? Though, somehow, nothing horrible happened to me in Mars-Sun

dasha but my mothers' father died (Mars-Moon) on 3rd Jan, 2000 and my fathers'

elder brother died on 27th May 1998 (Mars-Venus). Currently, I am running

Rahu-Rahu and it is the worst period of my life or anyones' life who is not

getting a job even after doing BTech. in computer science from IIT (got into IIT

in Mars-Me, completed BTech. in May,2001 and lost two campus placements and

another job in 2001, now jobless). Now I understand that all this is happening

because of Rahu which is posited in Leo as it is giving the results of Sun. I

think the worst is yet to happen in Rahu-Sun dasha.

Please tell the extent to which sun can harm me and what can I do, if at all

anything can be done, to overcome this "too much of a trouble" in my life and

job, in particular. Can I expect some other planet to override the harm that sun

as AK is causing? Will Sun transfer its bundle of maleficence to the AL and 5th

house also where it is aspecting? Can I expect a job in Rahu-Rahu or will I

remain jobless till the next dasha of Rahu-Jupiter?

I have asked a lot of questions from you, but it was the frustration that I

didn't get a job after completing BTech. from IIT(except for a short term from

15-10-2001 till 5-12-2001 when the company itself got shut down) that I took to

reading astrology and see what is there in it for me. With my current knowledge

of astrology, I can make out only a very dismal picture of future and equally

bad things are happening to me in this Rahu-Rahu dasha. Will things improve in

this Rahu mahadasha of which 16 more years are yet to come?

I only hope that you will tell me all that you can see and not hide a thing,

however bad.

In case you need it, my birth data is 12-12-1979 10:27am, New Delhi,India.

my sincerest thanks for your help,

regards,

nitish

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On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:26:01

Solai Kannan wrote:

>OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

>JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

>Namaste Vishwanatham,

>

>I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or natural

>guna of a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections. But,

>functional is external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a satwik

>person becomes a Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other police. He may

>use his discretion to identify the real culprits and he may be soft with

>innocents. He may try to help the innocents within his functional framework.

>I know many auditors, who blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly, there are

>some auditors, who unearths only vital deliberate mistakes. Here the

>function is same, but the persons individual nature differentiates the final

>action.

>

>Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so dreadful.

>Jupiter is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points for

>Jupiter being malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments, sufferings,

>troubles. But, due to his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold medal, nice

>wife, nice children. That is all. No happiness, instead more mental troubles

>(12th from chandra lagna), no wealth (Marnakaraksthana).

>

>On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the results

>will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. However, if

>he is neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.

>

>Ramapriya: Sun is the King, his duty is to uphold Dharma. Agreed. A King

>should have police, jail, court and defense; and he guards the nation with

>these forces from the enemies (internal and external). Similarly, Sun as

>natural atmakarak (King) guards the native from his Shadripus, (enemies), to

>make the native be dharmic. He must be strict as the military chief.

>

>Vishal: You asked a relevant question in your answers to Lesson 3. I thought

>of replying in the evaluation. As it is relevant here, I will reply. Saturn

>and Ketu are tamasic. Agreed. But, they do not give spirituality, directly.

>These malefics make the losses. In material sense, it is negative. In

>spiritual sense, it is good for a saint. Loss of wealth, wife and children

>is a negative matters. But, a saint does this voluntarily. So, look at them

>in this angle.

>

>Thanks

>Solai Kannan

>

>

>vishwanatham [vishwanatham]

>12 January 2002 5:51 AM

>sjvc

>[sjvc] Functional vs Natural

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Namaste Ramapriya,

>

> Thanks for your mail, which was well written. What you essentially say

> is they(functional & natural traits) are intertwined in a planet in a

> chart.

>

> What i wanted to understand is these two separately, so as to answer a

> question like- when a natural benefic like Venus (which has become a

> functional malefic) gives a rasi drishti, what to make of it? Is it

> always a combinatorial effect or is there a pre-ponderance of one

> (functional/natural) over other?

>

> Since the situations one gets will be numerous, an analogy could be

> helpful in understanding and applying.

>

> Now, regarding the planet Sun as a malefic, recently I read a mail

> from Mr Sarajit saying that the words used in BPHS are Kroora/Saumya,

> which are translated as Malefic/benefic.

>

> Earlier on a mail from Guruji Solai explained it as a teacher, who

> beats a student(kroora) and one who gives lower marks (saumya).

>

> Since, purusha/prakriti, male/female, malefic/benefic are given

> conditions, we need only to undersand them. Hope this sets you on

> course.

>

> Once again thanks for your mail.

>

> Regards

> viswanadham

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