Functional vs Natural - Vishu, Ramapriya, Vishal

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Vishwanatham,

 

I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or natural guna of

a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections. But, functional is

external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a satwik person becomes a

Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other police. He may use his discretion

to identify the real culprits and he may be soft with innocents. He may try to

help the innocents within his functional framework. I know many auditors, who

blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly, there are some auditors, who unearths

only vital deliberate mistakes. Here the function is same, but the persons

individual nature differentiates the final action.

 

Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so dreadful. Jupiter

is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points for Jupiter being

malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments, sufferings, troubles. But, due to

his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold medal, nice wife, nice children. That

is all. No happiness, instead more mental troubles (12th from chandra lagna), no

wealth (Marnakaraksthana).

 

On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the results

will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. However, if he

is neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.

 

Ramapriya: Sun is the King, his duty is to uphold Dharma. Agreed. A King should

have police, jail, court and defense; and he guards the nation with these

forces from the enemies (internal and external). Similarly, Sun as natural

atmakarak (King) guards the native from his Shadripus, (enemies), to make the

native be dharmic. He must be strict as the military chief.

 

Vishal: You asked a relevant question in your answers to Lesson 3. I thought of

replying in the evaluation. As it is relevant here, I will reply. Saturn and

Ketu are tamasic. Agreed. But, they do not give spirituality, directly. These

malefics make the losses. In material sense, it is negative. In spiritual

sense, it is good for a saint. Loss of wealth, wife and children is a negative

matters. But, a saint does this voluntarily. So, look at them in this angle.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

 

vishwanatham

[vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com]12 January 2002 5:51 AMTo:

sjvcSubject: [sjvc] Functional vs Natural

Hare Rama KrishnaNamaste Ramapriya,Thanks for your mail, which was well written.

What you essentially say is they(functional & natural traits) are intertwined in

a planet in a chart.What i wanted to understand is these two separately, so as

to answer a question like- when a natural benefic like Venus (which has become

a functional malefic) gives a rasi drishti, what to make of it? Is it always a

combinatorial effect or is there a pre-ponderance of one (functional/natural)

over other?Since the situations one gets will be numerous, an analogy could be

helpful in understanding and applying. Now, regarding the planet Sun as a

malefic, recently I read a mail from Mr Sarajit saying that the words used in

BPHS are Kroora/Saumya, which are translated as Malefic/benefic.Earlier on a

mail from Guruji Solai explained it as a teacher, who beats a student(kroora)

and one who gives lower marks (saumya).Since, purusha/prakriti, male/female,

malefic/benefic are given conditions, we need only to undersand them. Hope this

sets you on course.Once again thanks for your mail.RegardsviswanadhamYour use of

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Namaste Solai,

A related query. In my case, Saturn is in lagna and lords houses 2 & 3. Taken in

isolation, my understanding is that Saturn gets special maraka powers, because

a)he's a malefic b) he's strong (in kendra & retrograde) c) he's in marana

karaka sthana, and there's every likelihood that death might occur during the

transits of Saturn.

Am I right, or his maraka powers are afflicted because he's in marana karaka

sthana ( all the significations of the planet placed in marana karaka sthana

suffer: Sanjayji in "Narayan Dasa"). For Dhana (2nd house) since the natural

significator (Jupiter) is strong, there may be lessening of affliction. But for

longevity, Saturn is also the natural significator, so how to interpret this? I

seem to have a lot of confusion in this regard. Please do clarify.

I am disregarding the fact that Jupiter is the lagna lord & Chandra lagna lord

as well as the Palanakarta. I wish Sanjayji, you & the list members and all

their families a very happy Makar Sankranthi.

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

Solai Kannan <solai (AT) ihb (DOT) net> wrote:

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Vishwanatham,

 

I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or natural guna of

a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections. But, functional is

external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a satwik person becomes a

Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other police. He may use his discretion

to identify the real culprits and he may be soft with innocents. He may try to

help the innocents within his functional framework. I know many auditors, who

blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly, there are some auditors, who unearths

only vital deliberate mistakes. Here the function is same, but the persons

individual nature differentiates the final action.

 

Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so dreadful. Jupiter

is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points for Jupiter being

malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments, sufferings, troubles. But, due to

his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold medal, nice wife, nice children. That

is all. No happiness, instead more mental troubles (12th from chandra lagna), no

wealth (Marnakaraksthana).

 

On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the results

will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. However, if he

is neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.

 

Ramapriya: Sun is the King, his duty is to uphold Dharma. Agreed. A King should

have police, jail, court and defense; and he guards the nation with these

forces from the enemies (internal and external). Similarly, Sun as natural

atmakarak (King) guards the native from his Shadripus, (enemies), to make the

native be dharmic. He must be strict as the military chief.

 

Vishal: You asked a relevant question in your answers to Lesson 3. I thought of

replying in the evaluation. As it is relevant here, I will reply. Saturn and

Ketu are tamasic. Agreed. But, they do not give spirituality, directly. These

malefics make the losses. In material sense, it is negative. In spiritual

sense, it is good for a saint. Loss of wealth, wife and children is a negative

matters. But, a saint does this voluntarily. So, look at them in this angle.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

 

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Regards,

Lakshmi

lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

Om Gurave Namah Namaste Solai, A related query. In my case, Saturn is in lagna

and lords houses 2 & 3. Taken in isolation, my understanding is that Saturn

gets special maraka powers, because a)he's a malefic b) he's strong (in kendra

& retrograde) c) he's in marana karaka sthana, and there's every likelihood

that death might occur during the transits of Saturn. Am I right, or his maraka

powers are afflicted because he's in marana karaka sthana ( all the

significations of the planet placed in marana karaka sthana suffer: Sanjayji in

"Narayan Dasa"). For Dhana (2nd house) since the natural significator (Jupiter)

is strong, there may be lessening of affliction. But for longevity, Saturn is

also the natural significator, so how to interpret this? I seem to have a lot

of confusion in this regard. Please do clarify.

I am disregarding the fact that Jupiter is the lagna lord & Chandra lagna lord

as well as the Palanakarta. I wish Sanjayji, you & the list members and all

their families a very happy Makar Sankranthi. Regards, Lakshmi Solai Kannan

<solai (AT) ihb (DOT) net> wrote:

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Vishwanatham,

 

I think, sometime back I clarified this point. The naisargika or natural guna of

a planet is inherent in all its activities or reflections. But, functional is

external and explicit. For example, if a Brahmin or a satwik person becomes a

Policeman, he may not be so cruel like other police. He may use his discretion

to identify the real culprits and he may be soft with innocents. He may try to

help the innocents within his functional framework. I know many auditors, who

blows insignificant mistakes. Similarly, there are some auditors, who unearths

only vital deliberate mistakes. Here the function is same, but the persons

individual nature differentiates the final action.

 

Normally, Jupiter dasa is benefic. But, in my case, it is so dreadful. Jupiter

is functional malefic (+ there are host of negative points for Jupiter being

malefic). So, he gave me lots of punishments, sufferings, troubles. But, due to

his inherent nature, he gave MBA with gold medal, nice wife, nice children. That

is all. No happiness, instead more mental troubles (12th from chandra lagna), no

wealth (Marnakaraksthana).

 

On the contrary, if a natural malefic become functional malefic, the results

will be worst. If he is AK, you can imagine too much of trouble. However, if he

is neecha in kendra, it is Rajayoga.

 

Ramapriya: Sun is the King, his duty is to uphold Dharma. Agreed. A King should

have police, jail, court and defense; and he guards the nation with these

forces from the enemies (internal and external). Similarly, Sun as natural

atmakarak (King) guards the native from his Shadripus, (enemies), to make the

native be dharmic. He must be strict as the military chief.

 

Vishal: You asked a relevant question in your answers to Lesson 3. I thought of

replying in the evaluation. As it is relevant here, I will reply. Saturn and

Ketu are tamasic. Agreed. But, they do not give spirituality, directly. These

malefics make the losses. In material sense, it is negative. In spiritual

sense, it is good for a saint. Loss of wealth, wife and children is a negative

matters. But, a saint does this voluntarily. So, look at them in this angle.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

 

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