Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 HARE KRISHNA Respected Gurujis This is vyshakh . I have a few doubts about 9th 5th 12th houses and their relationships. Mistakes may be plenty so kindly pardon this beginner an correct me 1)sir,the 12th house ruling losses is 2nd from 11th and 11th from 2nd does this mean anything (may be some gains aprt from losses) 2)12th house is understandably called moksha house as it is in 4th(home) of 9th(religion,dharma) but why do 4th and 8th belong to mokshatrikona .Since they are in losses to dharma houses(esp 8th) wont they cause loss in dharma which would adversely affect moksha 3)the 12th is in the 8th (death)from 5th .Does this mean that the soul has to lose all poorvakarma (may be punya/papa) to become eligible to return back to Godhead also what are the effects if the 5th lord is placed in 12th 4)Sani has the karakatwa of 12 and 8th houses .his placement in 8th is deemed good for longevity(against the dictum karaka nashayo bhav)what about his placemant in 12th does the same principle apply 5)the 12th is a dusthana .What happens when the 12th lord also owns a trikona and is strongly posited in lagna like mars in dhanus and venus in mithuna lagna Buddha in tula and guru in mesha lagna Sani in kumbha lagna 6)sir I do not own bphs or cova and I don’t have the resources to buy them could you suggest any site which provides for free downloading of books thanking you vyshakh Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 Jaya Jagannath! Dear Vyshakh, I have given comments below: > 1)sir,the 12th house ruling losses is 2nd from 11th > and 11th from 2nd does this mean anything (may be some > gains aprt from losses) ZORAN: 12th house rules expences and investments and sales. So there may be gains from good investments,sales, foreigners, and isolated(hospitals) and far-off areas. Many other things depends on the lagnas. For example,12th lord may rule good house from Arudha Lagna and he would fetch the gains accordingly > 2)12th house is understandably called moksha house as > it is in 4th(home) of 9th(religion,dharma) but why do > 4th and 8th belong to mokshatrikona .Since they are in > losses to dharma houses(esp 8th) wont they cause loss > in dharma which would adversely affect moksha ZORAN: 12th house corresponds to the 12th sign of the zodiac, which includes the far travelling of the soul after death. 12th house has argala over 9th house of religion. Natural 12th ruler is Guru, while pisces holds multrikon sign of ketu which is mokshakarak. 4th house is the strongest of moksha trikona,and the only Kendra. Trikonas follow the same dharma.4th house according to Parashara rules beleif and faith. These are some hints... > > 3)the 12th is in the 8th (death)from 5th .Does this > mean that the soul has to lose all poorvakarma (may be > punya/papa) to become eligible to return back to > Godhead > also what are the effects if the 5th lord is placed in > 12th > ZORAN: 5th house rules inclincations of the mind, knowledge and intelligence, mantra and yantra. 8th house rules transformations and field of occult, and future prognostications. Think about such interaction. > 4)Sani has the karakatwa of 12 and 8th houses .his > placement in 8th is deemed good for longevity(against > the dictum karaka nashayo bhav)what about his > placemant in 12th does the same principle apply > ZORAN: Not at all. Shani is well placed in 12th house for Yoga and spiritual life and living in foreign places. However, this is too general. For taurus lagna, shani in 12th house would give rise to Raja Yoga. Generally, shani is not well placed in 12th house. Examine the argalas and aspects > 5)the 12th is a dusthana .What happens when the 12th > lord also owns a trikona and is strongly posited in > lagna like > mars in dhanus and venus in mithuna lagna > Buddha in tula and guru in mesha lagna > Sani in kumbha lagna > ZORAN: According to Laghu Parashari, trikona prevails, particularly if multrikon sign is placed in better house.12th lord is neutral and depends on associations. So the places you mentioned are good. > 6)sir I do not own bphs or cova and I don’t have the > resources to buy them could you suggest any site which > provides for free downloading of books > > vyshakh > ZORAN: I can send you some classical texts and BPHS, but not COVA I will do it after the New Years Eve Best wishes and much happiness, health and spiritual progress in 2002 Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 HARAKRISHNA RESPECTED ZORANJI, thanks for the replies a few more doubts on the same topic 1)regarding sanis placement in the 12th -if it is good for spiritual life why bad efeects like -sinful,spends on immoral habits,having vices are given same for jupiter -why effects (vices,immoral) given if it conducive for spiritual life also sir wont sani(though good for spiritual life)in the 12 hinder the journey of the soul and push the soul into hell(tamisra,andhatamisra)or to patalalokas 2)regarding 12th+trikana ownershhip among the examples only buddha for tula has 12th as moolatrikana so does buddha have more 12th house significations for tula waiting for your replies thanking you vyshakh --- ahimsa wrote: > Jaya Jagannath! > Dear Vyshakh, > I have given comments below: > > > 1)sir,the 12th house ruling losses is 2nd from > 11th > > and 11th from 2nd does this mean anything (may be > some > > gains aprt from losses) > > ZORAN: > 12th house rules expences and investments and sales. > So there may > be gains from good investments,sales, foreigners, > and isolated(hospitals) and > far-off > areas. Many other things depends on the lagnas. For > example,12th lord may > rule good > house from Arudha Lagna and he would fetch the gains > accordingly > > > 2)12th house is understandably called moksha house > as > > it is in 4th(home) of 9th(religion,dharma) but why > do > > 4th and 8th belong to mokshatrikona .Since they > are in > > losses to dharma houses(esp 8th) wont they cause > loss > > in dharma which would adversely affect moksha > > ZORAN: > 12th house corresponds to the 12th sign of the > zodiac, which includes the > far travelling of the soul after death. 12th house > has argala over 9th house > of > religion. Natural 12th ruler is Guru, while pisces > holds multrikon sign of > ketu > which is mokshakarak. 4th house is the strongest of > moksha trikona,and the > only > Kendra. Trikonas follow the same dharma.4th house > according to Parashara > rules > beleif and faith. These are some hints... > > > > > 3)the 12th is in the 8th (death)from 5th .Does > this > > mean that the soul has to lose all poorvakarma > (may be > > punya/papa) to become eligible to return back to > > Godhead > > also what are the effects if the 5th lord is > placed in > > 12th > > > > ZORAN: > 5th house rules inclincations of the mind, knowledge > and intelligence, mantra > and yantra. > 8th house rules transformations and field of occult, > and future > prognostications. Think about > such interaction. > > > 4)Sani has the karakatwa of 12 and 8th houses .his > > placement in 8th is deemed good for > longevity(against > > the dictum karaka nashayo bhav)what about his > > placemant in 12th does the same principle apply > > > > ZORAN: > Not at all. Shani is well placed in 12th house for > Yoga and spiritual life > and > living in foreign places. However, this is too > general. For taurus lagna, > shani > in 12th house would give rise to Raja Yoga. > Generally, shani is not well > placed in > 12th house. Examine the argalas and aspects > > > 5)the 12th is a dusthana .What happens when the > 12th > > lord also owns a trikona and is strongly posited > in > > lagna like > > mars in dhanus and venus in mithuna lagna > > Buddha in tula and guru in mesha lagna > > Sani in kumbha lagna > > > > ZORAN: > According to Laghu Parashari, trikona prevails, > particularly if multrikon > sign > is placed in better house.12th lord is neutral and > depends on associations. > So the places you mentioned are good. > > > 6)sir I do not own bphs or cova and I don’t have > the > > resources to buy them could you suggest any site > which > > provides for free downloading of books > > > > vyshakh > > > > ZORAN: > I can send you some classical texts and BPHS, but > not COVA > I will do it after the New Years Eve > Best wishes > and much happiness, health and spiritual progress in > 2002 > Zoran > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Jaya Jagannath! Dear Vhshakh, Here are the comments: > 1)regarding sanis placement in the 12th -if it is good > for spiritual life why bad efeects like -sinful,spends > on immoral habits,having vices are given > same for jupiter -why effects (vices,immoral) given if > it conducive for spiritual life > Shani when afflicted can give a person of very low deeds such as a thief, however when strong and dignified, a worshiper of Shiva is born. Shani would have argala over 9th house of Dharmic deeds, so when afflicted in 12th house it can destroy one's dharma. However when well placed, ruling benefic houses, under the influence of Guru, it can give ascetic habits.The same holds for Guru. However, guru as benefic is well placed in 12th house for meditation and spending on good causes, such as charities etc > also sir wont sani(though good for spiritual life)in > the 12 hinder the journey of the soul and push the > soul into hell(tamisra,andhatamisra)or to patalalokas > Only when afflicted and in company with malefics. > 2)regarding 12th+trikana ownershhip among the examples > only buddha for tula has 12th as moolatrikana so does > buddha have more 12th house significations for tula > waiting for your replies Yes. when budha strongly accentuates 12th house matters due to his multrikona placement there. However, he also lords 9th house of fortuene and is friend of Shukra lagnesh. When budha being neutral is well placed and associated with shani or shukra, he would reveal more of his good qualities. When strong he would act more as 9th house lord, while when weak or afflicted, he would shed his ownership of 12th house fully, Best wishes, Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 HAREKRISHNA Respected Zoranji this is vyshakh sir,thanks for your replies i feel like asking more and more questions to you i hope you dont mind continuing on the same topic 1)sir,apart from the planets in the 12th house how important are other considerations for a good journey of the soul after death like a)karakamsa being in meena and ketu or benefics in the 12th from karakamsa b)the strength(shadbala) of the 12th lord and its association with lagna or lagnesh c)are there any other houses(2nd?9th?4th?8th?) or their lords influencing the fate of the soul after death 2)sir you told sani with malefics in 12th can be bad what about its association with malefocs with good spiritual significations like ketu or sun and their malefic nature reduced with conjunction with good benefics sir i am talking about combinations like saturn jup ketu or st jp sun etc waiting for your replies thanking you vyshakh -- - ahimsa wrote: > Jaya Jagannath! > Dear Vhshakh, > Here are the comments: > > > 1)regarding sanis placement in the 12th -if it is > good > > for spiritual life why bad efeects like > -sinful,spends > > on immoral habits,having vices are given > > same for jupiter -why effects (vices,immoral) > given if > > it conducive for spiritual life > > > > Shani when afflicted can give a person of very low > deeds such as a thief, > however when strong and dignified, a worshiper of > Shiva is born. Shani would > have argala over 9th house of Dharmic deeds, so when > afflicted in 12th house > it can destroy one's dharma. However when well > placed, ruling benefic houses, > under the influence of Guru, it can give ascetic > habits.The same holds for > Guru. However, guru as benefic is well placed in > 12th house for meditation > and spending on good causes, such as charities etc > > > also sir wont sani(though good for spiritual > life)in > > the 12 hinder the journey of the soul and push the > > soul into hell(tamisra,andhatamisra)or to > patalalokas > > > > Only when afflicted and in company with malefics. > > > 2)regarding 12th+trikana ownershhip among the > examples > > only buddha for tula has 12th as moolatrikana so > does > > buddha have more 12th house significations for > tula > > waiting for your replies > > Yes. when budha strongly accentuates 12th house > matters due to his multrikona > placement there. However, he also lords 9th house of > fortuene and is friend > of Shukra lagnesh. When budha being neutral is well > placed and associated > with shani or shukra, he would reveal more of his > good qualities. When strong > he would act more as 9th house lord, while when weak > or afflicted, he would > shed his ownership of 12th house fully, > Best wishes, > Zoran > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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