Evaluation of Lesson - 2 - Part II

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OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Pranaam Gurudeva and Jyotisha,

 

Here is the 2nd part of the evaluation. My apologies for delay in submitting this.

 

 

43.Vishal:- Good replies.

 

44. Nimmi Ragavan:-

 

You wrote: “..I do not really have a clear concept called

'God'…” But, your understanding is perfect and very clear. As

Gurudeva recently mentioned, no body knows what is the exact roopam of Sri

Rama. So, feeling and perceiving god is once own individuality. You gone into

depth and thought about it. That is all.

 

You wrote: “… I do not really to any particular concept of

God…” All those concepts are all meant for attracting the people

towards God. But, for one who has already felt the God you need not bother

about the conceptions. You might be knowing Kannapa Nayanar, he felt and

perceived God in some odd manner and he showed his love by presenting meat to

God. But, the unadulterated pure devotion of him towards Shiva is far more

superior than any concepts.

Answer (1). Clear understanding. Answer (2). Think more on your answer 1 and

find the ways to become closer. “closer” is not a correct

terminology. But, we all know what is meant by this term “closer”.

Based on your thought find your own ways. Ans (4). What you wrote about Priest

is very good. Regarding Jyotisha, no, he has the intermediary role also. But,

in practice, living Jyotishas are not doing this. But, Jyotisha has a much

bigger intermediary role by explaining in a scientific manner about the

happening to client. This is what our Gurudeva wants us to learn from this

question. This forgotten role must be assumed by the Jyotishas of

SJVC.45.Vishwanatham:- No. I saw your reply. Since, Gurudeva has already

commented on your reply, I didn’t mention you name. My apologies for not

mentioning this. You wrote:- “… I love him and to some extent fear

him also (fear him for he may take back all that he has given me, including

this life)…” Why there is a fear? Because, you have not surrendered

to God, completely. If you feel that he is one who created you, he is the one

who gives you food and material things, if he takes away, he has the better

reason for that. So, why should you worry? Other answers are very good.

 

46.Sureshbabu chandra:- Answer 1. Your understanding is perfect. Answer 2. Well,

that is very good. Regarding your service to poor:- I very much appreciate this

effort and pray to Shri Ragavendra and Jagannatha to get you all your needs in

this endeavor. But, please keep in mind two things. 1. Never allow Ahamkara to

intervene in the service. 2. You may be insulted by many in this effort, ignore

them all. Keep up the good work. Answer 3 & 4. Good replies.

 

47.Chitra Wijewickrama:- You wrote:”… It is hard to communicate what

I feel…” Yes it is true. It is completely internal and personal.

But, by asking this question, we want the members to think more deep.

 

Answer 1. Your expression and feeling is very very good. But, Love is one main

portion. Love is the end result of all our spiritual pursuit. But, God is much

above the love. If we talk about only love, then how will we justify the cruel

killing and hatred. Yes. Love is the beginning. Answer 2 & 3. Good. Answer 4.

Priest also conduct yajnas for the material benefit of the bakta.

 

48.Alexandra Solomon:- Answer 1. No. We do not have the power to become

co-creator. We do not have the choice. Even our mind is controlled or preset by

the God. If you remove the “I” in some of the places in your reply,

you can see there is no meaning. In fact this “I” is attached to

only Alexandra and not to your soul. Answer 4. Read answers given by others.

 

49.Katti Narahari:-

 

Answer 1. OK you are engulfed by the social conditioning. There are people, who

are never been introduced the concept of God and any set of cultures. For

those, how can we define the role of God. Yes, I agree with you, we should not

be carried away by the prejudices set for years, without proper reasoning. But,

that is only one step. Let us look at it again after 6 months.

 

Answer 2. You wrote: “…Seeking and coming closer to god cannot be

done by a particular method…” Then you wrote: “…For me

i think god can be known when i am aware of myself. When i master the process

of identifying the process of my thought…” Here the steps taken

towards the “awareness” and “mastering the process” are

the methods. As I mentioned to Chitra, Love cultivation is the 1st step. Assume

you mastered all your thought processes or you have spiritually grown, but if

you are not able to love your neighbor, what is use of all these learning and

spiritual training. I know, many people, who do all the rituals dutifully and

sincerely, but hate the neighbor or gossip about the neighbors. Surrendering

means, surrendering the “I” feeling. If you start thinking of

eradicating the “I”, we will never be able to do. It is similar to

cancer, if you cut, it grows faster. But, when you are surrendering your

Ahamkara to god, it is done as an offering. The terminologies are different,

but the meaning are all same. Answer 3 & 4 are perfect.

 

26 (a) Vivek Shetty:- No. you didn’t sound teaching or arguing. This

lesson and questions are to make ourselves clearer. Very good presentation.

But, as you said, the sense of being is not constant through out. It disappears

in sleep, coma and under anesthesia and after death the sense of being is not

there. This sense of being cannot be related to cosmic or eternal subject.

 

If you are referring to soul, as per your second part of this presentation,

saying it is nothing and it cannot be a thing. OK it is understandable.

 

Finally you wrote: “…'This' sense of BEINGNESS is always 'Here' and

'Now'…” and if you truly feel such an “oneness” within

you, then you are an exalted person. We want to reach this stage and we are

taking steps to reach this stage and we call these steps as “coming

closer”. We are aware that God is within us. But, we have to take a lot

more steps to reach that stage.

 

37 (a) Beau Binder:- Good attempt at the Sanskrit words.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste Guruji Solai,

 

Many thanks for your comments.

 

>>Regarding. You wrote:- "… I love him and to some extent fear him

also (fear him for he may take back all that he has given me,

including this life)…" Why there is a fear? Because, you have not

surrendered to God, completely. If you feel that he is one who

created you, he is the one who gives you food and material things, if

he takes away, he has the better reason for that. So, why should you

worry? <<

 

I am trying to practice your advice. As a first step, I was speaking

out my weakness. Thanks for your kind words.

 

Regards

your sisya

viswanadham

sjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@i...> wrote:

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Pranaam Gurudeva and Jyotisha,

>

> Here is the 2nd part of the evaluation. My apologies for delay in

submitting

> this.

>

>

> 43.Vishal:- Good replies.

>

> 44. Nimmi Ragavan:-

>

> You wrote: "..I do not really have a clear concept called 'God'…"

But, your

> understanding is perfect and very clear. As Gurudeva recently

mentioned, no

> body knows what is the exact roopam of Sri Rama. So, feeling and

perceiving

> god is once own individuality. You gone into depth and thought

about it.

> That is all.

>

> You wrote: "… I do not really to any particular concept

of God…"

> All those concepts are all meant for attracting the people towards

God. But,

> for one who has already felt the God you need not bother about the

> conceptions. You might be knowing Kannapa Nayanar, he felt and

perceived God

> in some odd manner and he showed his love by presenting meat to

God. But,

> the unadulterated pure devotion of him towards Shiva is far more

superior

> than any concepts.

>

> Answer (1). Clear understanding. Answer (2). Think more on your

answer 1 and

> find the ways to become closer. "closer" is not a correct

terminology. But,

> we all know what is meant by this term "closer". Based on your

thought find

> your own ways. Ans (4). What you wrote about Priest is very good.

Regarding

> Jyotisha, no, he has the intermediary role also. But, in practice,

living

> Jyotishas are not doing this. But, Jyotisha has a much bigger

intermediary

> role by explaining in a scientific manner about the happening to

client.

> This is what our Gurudeva wants us to learn from this question. This

> forgotten role must be assumed by the Jyotishas of SJVC.

>

> 45.Vishwanatham:- No. I saw your reply. Since, Gurudeva has already

> commented on your reply, I didn't mention you name. My apologies

for not

> mentioning this. You wrote:- "… I love him and to some extent fear

him also

> (fear him for he may take back all that he has given me, including

this

> life)…" Why there is a fear? Because, you have not surrendered to

God,

> completely. If you feel that he is one who created you, he is the

one who

> gives you food and material things, if he takes away, he has the

better

> reason for that. So, why should you worry? Other answers are very

good.

>

> 46.Sureshbabu chandra:- Answer 1. Your understanding is perfect.

Answer 2.

> Well, that is very good. Regarding your service to poor:- I very

much

> appreciate this effort and pray to Shri Ragavendra and Jagannatha

to get you

> all your needs in this endeavor. But, please keep in mind two

things. 1.

> Never allow Ahamkara to intervene in the service. 2. You may be

insulted by

> many in this effort, ignore them all. Keep up the good work. Answer

3 & 4.

> Good replies.

>

> 47.Chitra Wijewickrama:- You wrote:"… It is hard to communicate

what I

> feel…" Yes it is true. It is completely internal and personal.

But, by

> asking this question, we want the members to think more deep.

>

> Answer 1. Your expression and feeling is very very good. But, Love

is one

> main portion. Love is the end result of all our spiritual pursuit.

But, God

> is much above the love. If we talk about only love, then how will

we justify

> the cruel killing and hatred. Yes. Love is the beginning. Answer 2

& 3.

> Good. Answer 4. Priest also conduct yajnas for the material benefit

of the

> bakta.

>

> 48.Alexandra Solomon:- Answer 1. No. We do not have the power to

become

> co-creator. We do not have the choice. Even our mind is controlled

or preset

> by the God. If you remove the "I" in some of the places in your

reply, you

> can see there is no meaning. In fact this "I" is attached to only

Alexandra

> and not to your soul. Answer 4. Read answers given by others.

>

> 49.Katti Narahari:-

>

> Answer 1. OK you are engulfed by the social conditioning. There are

people,

> who are never been introduced the concept of God and any set of

cultures.

> For those, how can we define the role of God. Yes, I agree with

you, we

> should not be carried away by the prejudices set for years, without

proper

> reasoning. But, that is only one step. Let us look at it again

after 6

> months.

>

> Answer 2. You wrote: "…Seeking and coming closer to god cannot be

done by a

> particular method…" Then you wrote: "…For me i think god can be

known when i

> am aware of myself. When i master the process of identifying the

process

> of my thought…" Here the steps taken towards the "awareness" and

"mastering

> the process" are the methods. As I mentioned to Chitra, Love

cultivation is

> the 1st step. Assume you mastered all your thought processes or you

have

> spiritually grown, but if you are not able to love your neighbor,

what is

> use of all these learning and spiritual training. I know, many

people, who

> do all the rituals dutifully and sincerely, but hate the neighbor

or gossip

> about the neighbors. Surrendering means, surrendering the "I"

feeling. If

> you start thinking of eradicating the "I", we will never be able to

do. It

> is similar to cancer, if you cut, it grows faster. But, when you are

> surrendering your Ahamkara to god, it is done as an offering. The

> terminologies are different, but the meaning are all same. Answer 3

& 4 are

> perfect.

>

> 26 (a) Vivek Shetty:- No. you didn't sound teaching or arguing.

This lesson

> and questions are to make ourselves clearer. Very good

presentation. But, as

> you said, the sense of being is not constant through out. It

disappears in

> sleep, coma and under anesthesia and after death the sense of being

is not

> there. This sense of being cannot be related to cosmic or eternal

subject.

>

> If you are referring to soul, as per your second part of this

presentation,

> saying it is nothing and it cannot be a thing. OK it is

understandable.

>

> Finally you wrote: "…'This' sense of BEINGNESS is always 'Here' and

'Now'…"

> and if you truly feel such an "oneness" within you, then you are

an exalted

> person. We want to reach this stage and we are taking steps to

reach this

> stage and we call these steps as "coming closer". We are aware that

God is

> within us. But, we have to take a lot more steps to reach that

stage.

>

> 37 (a) Beau Binder:- Good attempt at the Sanskrit words.

>

> Thanks

> Solai Kannan

[Guest guest]

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Vishwanatham,

 

I very much appreciate this frank and openness. It is not your weakness.

Survival instinct is basic for all the living things. So, I was just diverting

that feeling towards god.

 

As you said, acknowledging the weaknesses is itself a bravery and it is the

first step in spiritual process.

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

vishwanatham

[vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com]30 December 2001 11:12 AMTo:

sjvcSubject: [sjvc] Re: Evaluation of Lesson - 2 - Part IIHare

Rama KrishnaNamaste Guruji Solai,Many thanks for your comments. >>Regarding.

You wrote:- "... I love him and to some extent fear him also (fear him for he

may take back all that he has given me, including this life)..." Why there is a

fear? Because, you have not surrendered to God, completely. If you feel that he

is one who created you, he is the one who gives you food and material things,

if he takes away, he has the better reason for that. So, why should you worry?

<<I am trying to practice your advice. As a first step, I was speaking out my

weakness. Thanks for your kind words.Regardsyour sisyaviswanadham--- In

sjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@i...> wrote:> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH>

JAYA JAGANNATHA> > Pranaam Gurudeva and Jyotisha,> > Here is the 2nd part of

the evaluation. My apologies for delay in submitting> this.> > > 43.Vishal:-

Good replies.> > 44. Nimmi Ragavan:-> > You wrote: "..I do not really have a

clear concept called 'God'..." But, your> understanding is perfect and very

clear. As Gurudeva recently mentioned, no> body knows what is the exact roopam

of Sri Rama. So, feeling and perceiving> god is once own individuality. You

gone into depth and thought about it.> That is all.> > You wrote: "... I do not

really to any particular concept of God..."> All those concepts are

all meant for attracting the people towards God. But,> for one who has already

felt the God you need not bother about the> conceptions. You might be knowing

Kannapa Nayanar, he felt and perceived God> in some odd manner and he showed

his love by presenting meat to God. But,> the unadulterated pure devotion of

him towards Shiva is far more superior> than any concepts.> > Answer (1). Clear

understanding. Answer (2). Think more on your answer 1 and> find the ways to

become closer. "closer" is not a correct terminology. But,> we all know what

is meant by this term "closer". Based on your thought find> your own ways. Ans

(4). What you wrote about Priest is very good. Regarding> Jyotisha, no, he has

the intermediary role also. But, in practice, living> Jyotishas are not doing

this. But, Jyotisha has a much bigger intermediary> role by explaining in a

scientific manner about the happening to client.> This is what our Gurudeva

wants us to learn from this question. This> forgotten role must be assumed by

the Jyotishas of SJVC.> > 45.Vishwanatham:- No. I saw your reply. Since,

Gurudeva has already> commented on your reply, I didn't mention you name. My

apologies for not> mentioning this. You wrote:- "... I love him and to some

extent fear him also> (fear him for he may take back all that he has given me,

including this> life)..." Why there is a fear? Because, you have not

surrendered to God,> completely. If you feel that he is one who created you, he

is the one who> gives you food and material things, if he takes away, he has the

better> reason for that. So, why should you worry? Other answers are very good.>

> 46.Sureshbabu chandra:- Answer 1. Your understanding is perfect. Answer 2.>

Well, that is very good. Regarding your service to poor:- I very much>

appreciate this effort and pray to Shri Ragavendra and Jagannatha to get you>

all your needs in this endeavor. But, please keep in mind two things. 1.> Never

allow Ahamkara to intervene in the service. 2. You may be insulted by> many in

this effort, ignore them all. Keep up the good work. Answer 3 & 4.> Good

replies.> > 47.Chitra Wijewickrama:- You wrote:"... It is hard to communicate

what I> feel..." Yes it is true. It is completely internal and personal. But,

by> asking this question, we want the members to think more deep.> > Answer 1.

Your expression and feeling is very very good. But, Love is one> main portion.

Love is the end result of all our spiritual pursuit. But, God> is much above

the love. If we talk about only love, then how will we justify> the cruel

killing and hatred. Yes. Love is the beginning. Answer 2 & 3.> Good. Answer 4.

Priest also conduct yajnas for the material benefit of the> bakta.> >

48.Alexandra Solomon:- Answer 1. No. We do not have the power to become>

co-creator. We do not have the choice. Even our mind is controlled or preset>

by the God. If you remove the "I" in some of the places in your reply, you> can

see there is no meaning. In fact this "I" is attached to only Alexandra> and not

to your soul. Answer 4. Read answers given by others.> > 49.Katti Narahari:-> >

Answer 1. OK you are engulfed by the social conditioning. There are people,> who

are never been introduced the concept of God and any set of cultures.> For

those, how can we define the role of God. Yes, I agree with you, we> should not

be carried away by the prejudices set for years, without proper> reasoning. But,

that is only one step. Let us look at it again after 6> months.> > Answer 2. You

wrote: "...Seeking and coming closer to god cannot be done by a> particular

method..." Then you wrote: "...For me i think god can be known when i> am

aware of myself. When i master the process of identifying the process> of my

thought..." Here the steps taken towards the "awareness" and "mastering> the

process" are the methods. As I mentioned to Chitra, Love cultivation is> the

1st step. Assume you mastered all your thought processes or you have>

spiritually grown, but if you are not able to love your neighbor, what is> use

of all these learning and spiritual training. I know, many people, who> do all

the rituals dutifully and sincerely, but hate the neighbor or gossip> about the

neighbors. Surrendering means, surrendering the "I" feeling. If> you start

thinking of eradicating the "I", we will never be able to do. It> is similar to

cancer, if you cut, it grows faster. But, when you are> surrendering your

Ahamkara to god, it is done as an offering. The> terminologies are different,

but the meaning are all same. Answer 3 & 4 are> perfect.> > 26 (a) Vivek

Shetty:- No. you didn't sound teaching or arguing. This lesson> and questions

are to make ourselves clearer. Very good presentation. But, as> you said, the

sense of being is not constant through out. It disappears in> sleep, coma and

under anesthesia and after death the sense of being is not> there. This sense

of being cannot be related to cosmic or eternal subject.> > If you are

referring to soul, as per your second part of this presentation,> saying it is

nothing and it cannot be a thing. OK it is understandable.> > Finally you

wrote: "...'This' sense of BEINGNESS is always 'Here' and 'Now'..."> and if

you truly feel such an "oneness" within you, then you are an exalted> person.

We want to reach this stage and we are taking steps to reach this> stage and we

call these steps as "coming closer". We are aware that God is> within us. But,

we have to take a lot more steps to reach that stage.> > 37 (a) Beau Binder:-

Good attempt at the Sanskrit words.> > Thanks> Solai KannanYour use of

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