Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 JAGANNATHAH SWAMI NAYANA PATHAGAMI BHABATU ME ---------------------- Dear Dasgupta-da Namaskar Thanks for your list you have sent to all of us. I also request our respected Gurus to look into it and add/modify it for the benefit of beginners like us. It would be also useful if Gurus help us understand how these results are modified . Regards Dilip. - J.K.Dasgupta sjvc Saturday, December 22, 2001 5:40 AM Re: [sjvc] Relationship between planets Dear Nandan, I think you are talking about a list as follows. The following list I copied from a book and reproduced here with some minor additions/alterations from other books. This is definitely not exaustive and a very general one. But this type of list may benifit many new comer like me. Regards, J.K. Dasgupta p.s. Solaiji and Gaurangaji, Please go through it and give your valuable comments. It will help us if you please correct the same also. ============================================================================ EFFECTS FOR VARIOUS PLACEMENTS OF LORDS Lord of 1st house in- 1st : Denotes a fortunate life & power over enemies 2nd : Denotes riches by own efforts 3rd : Denotes many voluntary journeys 4th : Denotes lands & inheritance,good parentage 5th : Denotes propensity to pleasure & many children 6th : Denotes much sickness 7th : Denotes many public enemies 8th : Denotes legacies or riches by wife, chances of suicide 9th : Denotes religious, learned & traveller 10th: Denotes great honour & preferments by real merits 11th: Denotes friends, the native is also friend of himself 12th: Denotes danger of imprisonment & much unhappinessIn Lord of 2nd house in- 1st : Denotes born to riches & good fortune 2nd : Denotes much welth 3rd : Denotes wealth by virtue of brothers, neighbours & travelling 4th : Denotes wealth by virtue of mother 5th : Denotes wealth by speculation or children 6th : Denotes wealth by dealing in cattle 7th : Denotes wealth by virtue of women or marriage 8th : Denotes wealth by legacies or by virtue of marriage 9th : Denotes wealth by religion, learning or foreign journey 10th: Denotes wealth by preferment, trade, merchandies or father 11th: Denotes wealth by virtue of friends 12th: Denotes wealth by virtue of great cattle, also loss of wealth Lord of 3rd house in- 1st : Denotes pleasure & profit in travelling 2nd : Denotes riches by traveling 3rd : Denotes good brothers & journey 4th : Denotes travelling to take possession of an estate 5th : Denotes travelling for pleasure 6th : Denotes sickness in journey 7th : Denotes meeting with wife or thieves in journey 8th : Denotes death in journey 9th : Denotes missionary journey or journey as religious preacher 10th: Denotes journey for trade & preferment 11th: Denotes travelling for improvement 12th: Denotes improsonment or great misfortune in journey Lord of 4th house in- 1st : Denotes a good inheritance 2nd : Denotes an estate by purchase 3rd : Denotes inheritance by brothers 4th : Denotes a healthy long lived mother or a good estate 5th : Denotes estate to be passed on to children 6th : Denotes estate gained by physic or wasted by sickness 7th : Denotes estate by wife 8th : Denotes estate by wives, legacies or gifts 9th : Denotes property by voyage, religion or science 10th: Denotes property by some office or dignity 11th: Denotes property by friendship 12th: Denotes property by dealing in black cattle or loss by treachery Lord of 5th house in- 1st : Denotes affectionate & dutiful children 2nd : Denotes riches increased or diminished by children 3rd : Denotes journeys on account of children 4th : Denotes estate divided among children or given to them by their grand father 5th : Denotes children, prudent, healthy, fortunate & happy 6th : Denotes disagreement with children- causing sickness or affliction 7th : Denotes open enemity between native & his/her children 8th : Denotes many evils from children so as to shorten life 9th : Denotes assistance from children in learning & travelling 10th: Denotes great honour or disgrace by children depending on 5th lord & its nature, affliction etc 11th: Denotes great attachment with children 12th: Denotes that children are native's private enemies & sources of much uneasiness and often ruin Lord of 6th house in- 1st : Denotes sickness by native's irregularities 2nd : Denotes waste of property by sickness or by servants 3rd : Denotes sickness by journey 4th : Denotes sickness by vexation & losses of inheritance 5th : Denotes loss from bad children & profligate love for pleasure 6th : Denotes good servants & severe sickness 7th : Denotes sickness by quarrels, fighting & women 8th : Denotes dangerous sickness & danger of some untimely death 9th : Denotes sickness abroad or at sea/ service requiring frequent travel 10th: Denotes sickness from shame & disgrace 11th: Denotes sickness on account of friends or ill treatment 12th: Denotes sickness by imprisonment & deep vexation Lord of 7th house in- 1st : Denotes very good saving wife or loss by enemies 2nd : Denotes riches or poverty by marriage depending on 7th lord 3rd : Denotes quarrels with brothers or neighbours 4th : Denotes inheritance or lands by marriage 5th : Denotes pleasing wife, many children & enemity with children 6th : Denotes an ill disposed wife- the cause of sickness & affliction 7th : Denotes a very creditable wife with property 8th : Denotes a rich wife and the native is well dignified or a poor wife and the native is ill dignified 9th : Denotes one who shall be seperated from spouse by the sea 10th: Denotes great honour & profit or disgrace & loss by wives/ enemies, depending on 7th lord charachter, affliction etc. 11th: Denotes a friendly loving wife or enemies among friends 12th: Denotes great miseries by marriage, quarrels, law suits etc. Lord of 8th house in- 1st : Denotes death by irregularity or suicide 2nd : Denotes much riches by legacies 3rd : Denotes danger from short journeys or being murdered 4th : Denotes death through vexation or loss of property 5th : Denotes death by drinking & debauchery or by bad children 6th : Denotes incurable disease 7th : Denotes death by suicide, quarrel, thieves or violent passion 8th : Denotes rich wife & natural death 9th : Denotes death by drowning 10th: Denotes death by sentence of a judge 11th: Denotes legacies by friends 12th: Denotes death in prison Lord of 9th house in- 1st : Denotes piety, learning & a great travelling 2nd : Denotes riches by sea, religion or learning 3rd : Denotes that the native will be a sectarian or dissenter 4th : Denotes inheritance & lands, religious gain 5th : Denotes free lancer and little piety 6th : Denotes religious but ill health in foreign country 7th : Denotes religious enemies and alwayas at sea 8th : Denotes death or persecution for religion or on a board 9th : Denotes traveller, religious guide, great scolar 10th: Denotes relogious, great honour abroad 11th: Denotes many friends, fortunate voyage 12th: Denotes great vexation & persecution in religion or travelling Lord of 10th house in- 1st : Denotes honours & prosperity 2nd : Denotes purchase of honour & riches by trade 3rd : Denotes fortunate & much respected 4th : Denotes lands & inheritance 5th : Denotes honourable persuits & creditable children 6th : Denotes sickness by aiming at greatness 7th : Denotes honourable wife, increase by trade & property 8th : Denotes gain through. Sometimes a violent death depending on 10th lord's character, afflictions etc. 9th : Denotes honour by religion, learning or by voyages 10th: Denotes great success & well known 11th: Denotes noble friends 12th: Denotes disgrace, ruin & imprisonment Lord of 11th house in- 1st : Denotes real friends 2nd : Denotes riches by friends 3rd : Denotes friendship among kindred, fortunate journeys 4th : Denotes love for mother, good inheritance 5th : Denotes loving children & honourable wife 6th : Denotes faithful servant, little sickness 7th : Denotes loving wife, few enemies 8th : Denotes an easy death 9th : Denotes great fortune in voyages, learning 10th: Denotes great honour & preferment by great happiness 11th: Denotes great fortune from proffession 12th: Denotes decetiful friends, much sufferings Lord of 12th house in- 1st : Denotes disgrace, ruin, folly & cosequent misery 2nd : Denotes poverty & ruin 3rd : Denotes false kindred, great disappointments 4th : Denotes envious parents, loss of estate 5th : Denotes infamous children 6th : Denotes vile servants, disease among cattle, much sickness 7th : Denotes vile enemies, law suits, ill wife, much harm from enemies of all kind 8th : Denotes miserable death, great misfortune 9th : Denotes shipwreck, imprisonment, loss, ignorance, ruin 10th: Denotes sad disgrace, ruin by envy, an untimely death, much expence on proffessional matters 11th: Denotes deceitful friends, great disappointments 12th: Denotes powerfull enemies THE ABOVE RESULTS ARE FURTHER MODIFIED FOR PLACEMENT OF PLANETS AS FOLLOWS: Planets in 1st house: moon: When moon waxing: Strong, beautiful eyes, spiritualistic. If rashi is Vrishava/Karkat then native is rich. If rashi is Mesha then plenty of children indicated When moon waning: Inert,phlegmatic,defective speech. mercury: Sweet tongued,learned,disciplined,wealthy by own efforts,long lived venus: Long lived,loves wife & children,romantic sun: Tall,sparse hair,short tempered,ease loving,courageous,delay in undertakings. If rashi is Simha or Karkat defect in the eye indicated mars: Scarse in body,easilyangered,tactful but hot tempered jup: Beautiful,scholarly,fearless,well behaved,wealthy,long lived rahu: Strong,pale,possessed,few children ketu: Lovely faced,valiant,well behaved,few children sat: If rashi is Tula/Makara/Kumbha or Mina Lustful & lazy to some extent as well as short memory Period during Sani dasa may be favourable depending upon planet's strength. For other rashis indications are Invalid,lustful,lazy,short memory,sorrowful Planets in 2nd house: moon: Welthy,well behaved,romantic,enjoying life,glamorous,gifted tongue, pleasing mercury: Good speaker,self earned,wealthy,loves good meal,poet,has a loving family venus: Romantic,has a dutiful spouse,wealthy,educated,long lived,poet or artist sun: Happy,wise,plenty of cattle,tries to make money but fails mars: Industrious,short tempered,strict,unfinished education,perverted in arguments,agriculturist jup: Plenty of money,scholar,beautiful face,enjoys good meal,charitable minded rahu: Stammering,facial disease,extremely sensitive,will get money from the state ketu: Vile tongued,likes hot food,little educated sat: Poor,ugly faced,lying,unfaithful,likes unwholesome food Planets in 3rd house: moon: Strong,devoted to spouse,dutiful to brothers & sisters mercury: Poor,sensitive,cunning,loves brothers,overcomes foes venus: Easily upset,poor comforts at home,may have too many brothers/sisters, unsatisfactory wife sun: Strong,courageous,imposing personality,wealthy,serves an evil master, inimical to brothers & sisters mars: Good natured,capable,wealthy,detrimental to brothers & sisters,has an unhappy spouse jup: Wins women easily,rather miser,has desirable brothers,dutiful to his proteges,has a quick grasp of details rahu: Long lived, ill disposed to brothers & sisters,has a steady mind,sensitive ketu: Good natured,capable,highly intellectual sat: Wealthy,famous,has a loving spouse,eats but little,long loved Planets in 4th house: moon: Landed property,enjoys life,educated,has a sacrificial spirit,has many friends,happy(these effects shall be marked in waxing moon) mercury: Owns landed property,charming conversationalist,enjoys life,dislikes relativeshers venus: Learned,famous,wealthy,owns landed property,enjoys flirtation sun: Bad for mother,gets but little income from agriculture,no peace of mind, dislike relatives,usually lives in the house of birth mars: Owns lands,vehicles or houses,mother afflicted, dislikes friendship jup: Exceedingly good for mother,has loving friends & relatives,devoted servants, excellent domestic life,high education,own vehicles rahu: Sorrowful,hates relatives & friends,bad for mother ketu: Invalid,bad for mother sat: Detrimental to mother's health,has no landed property,ailing in childhood.Effects are magnified if the planet is well aspected or well placed Planets in 5th house: moon: Scholar,prolific in issues,makes an ideal minister,steady mercury: God fearing,has taste of magic,a few children,famous,learned,loves a good life venus: Romantic,blessed with lovely children,wealthy,of astute mind sun: Success in speculation,loss of children,loves forest life,sickly,wealthy friends mars: Inimical to children,wicked,small minded,invites trouble jup: Well versed in classics,has good children,successful in speculation, minister,priest or judge rahu: Trouble for first child (specialy for male issue),stomach trouble,hard hearted,speaks well ketu: Latent occult faculties,of unsteady mind sat: Of unsteady mind,detrimental to issues,easily satisfied,indiscriminate crooked talent,devoid of knowledge,danger by speculation Planets in 6th house: moon: Not coducive to long life specially if weak moon,abdominal trouble,small hearted mercury: Lazy,harsh tongued,terrible in argument,has secret foes,short tempered venus: Inconsistent,poor,despised or disliked by women,has enemies sun: Deadly unto foes,famous,lucky,has good food & carriage,dresses well,has devoted servants mars: Lucky,famous,wealthy,proof against ill health jup: Adept in black art,destroy foes,dull and has but poor comfort rahu: Long lived,wealthy,wild,trouble in eyes,leprosy in the worst aspect, dumbness sometimes,disharmony in love life ketu: Lucky,has no enemy sat: Courageous,decent,deadly to foes,wealthy & helps the needy Planets in 7th house: moon: Phlegmatic complaints,has a charming spouse,inclined to philandering, gentle, courageous mercury: Not a very responsive wife or husband,good natured,wealthy,learned venus: Romantic,philanderer,highly successful in society,wealthy sun: Bodily ailment,termagant of a wife,success in public life or bussiness, friendship of highly placed men and money from them mars: Inimical to wife or partner,disease in private parts,public agitation against the native,trouble from women,succeptible to fights jup: Ideal member of the society,beloved of parents,has dutiful spouse,has an enjoyable life,vehicles,friendship of great men rahu: Harm to spouse,psychological abnormality of partner,money burnt on women, small minded,efficient ketu: Dissolute sex life,sneaky,selfish sat: If afflicted: Has undesirable spouse, recluse, deceitful, harm from women, poor, itinerant. If lagnalord the native shall have faithful spouse,disciplined,hard working,very good or exaulted| period in saturn dasa Planets in 8th house: moon: Money by wife,loss of personal wealth,eye trouble,danger from water,prone to asthma mercury: High executive,long lived,meritorious,brings credit to the family,liable to cold venus: Something wrong with partner,involved in clandestine affairs,exciting life, miser,wealthy sun: If afflicted: Middle aged,poor,eye defect,disliked by master,unhappy life If lagnalord: Long life,gain trough legacies,father's will,good education to children If exaulted: income through partners in govt/high office mars: Inimical to spouse,threatens life of partner,subject to surgical operation of serious nature,suffers from heat,blamed for what he is not responsible jup: Wealthy,long lived,servant,visits house of ill fame,ailment of children rahu: Few children,prone to leprosy or rheumatism,unclean,likes a travelling life,danger of poisoning ketu: Mystic,inclined to black art,invalid sat: Marries in poor family,sorrowful,sickly,argumentative Planets in 9th house: moon: Highly successful in life,enjoys health,wealth,good natured,charity minded, blessed with fine children,might proceed overseas mercury: Learned,good speaker or writer,efficient,disciplinarian,well behaved venus: Honoured by state,loving wife & children,pleasant journeys,artistic nature, benefits from marriage sun: Wealthy,God fearing,easily angered,dislikes relatives,enjoys confidence of superiors,has but poor issues,affliction of parents mars: Proud,over bearing,not beautiful,wealthy,harsh,sensitive,has invalid father jup: Well read,of expansive nature,acquires fame/wealth,makes ideal minister rahu: Servant,few children,goes on pilgrimage,humorist,famous,interested in rural uplift work ketu: Afflicts father's life,saintly,goes in quest of self knowledge sat: Interest in occult sciences,danger in voyages,poor,disliked,cross grained" Planets in 10th house: moon: If strong-augurs well for bussiness,successful in share market & metal market,good wishes from powerful women mercury: Ideal merchant,craetive ability,writer or journalist,quick witted,reliable If rashi is Mithuna or Tula or Kumbha then (being in airy sign) a good orator venus: Artist by profession,marries well,plenty of friends & relatives,wealthy sun: Highly successful life,unexpected lifts & preferments in jobs,has connection with government. mars: Dynamic personality,inaxhaustible energy/drive,capable of great things, short tempered,unthinking jup: If strong: Millionare,highly placed in life,head of religious community,expansive, makes an good advisor. If weak : Wealthy,highly placed in life,religious,expansive,an good advisor rahu: Few children,servant,goes on pilgrimage,social transgressor ketu: Highly developed intellect but perverted sat: Highly placed in life & disgraced in later years or vice-versa,intuitive, sensitive,occupies sensitive position,go giver Planets in 11th house: moon: If strong: Reliable friends,gain by speculation,plenty of money,children and servants If weak : Above effects are minimised mercury: Long lived,good friends,gain from business,truthful,scholarly venus: Friends highly placed in life,romantic,lovely children sun: Detrimental to father,powerful friends,long lived,joyful,competent mars: Bad for father,deceitful friends,joyous in life,rich jup: faithful friends,fearless,famous & rich,has but few children rahu: Healthy,wealthy & joyful,has ear trouble,good natured,detrimental to life of father ketu: Intellectual or saintly sat: Long lived,undesirable friends,good eater,energetic,healthy,earns a good lot Planets in 12th house: moon: Susceptible to cold,intellectual,efficient,lives in foreign countries, spendthrift,sorrowful,shameful mercury: Lying,harsh tongued,little educated,shameful,lucky venus: Romantic,illicit connections,lucky,little educated,intelligent sun: Inimical to father,little or no issue,courageous,alaways moving about devoted servants mars: Tyrant,does forbidden things,industrious,charitable,has neither wife nor riches jup: Scholar,spendthrift,servant,does forbidden things,defective children,lucky rahu: Harm from water or poison,spendthrift,has secret income ketu: Reasoning power,highly developed soul,rich,expensive sat: Defective or sickly body,little money,shameless,trouble from foes,rash fear of imprisonment EFFECTS OF NATAL MOON NAKHSATRA Aswini: Beautiful appearance,love for adornment,liked by all,clever,accomplished,wealthy & unperturbed. Bharani: Steady,truthful,healthy,enjoying life,learned,wealthy Kratika: Gluttonous,lustful,strong,deceitful,famed,connected in royal or high official circle. Rohini: Truthful,good conversationalist,steady mind,charitable,very large eye. Mrigashirsha: Persevering nature,good talker,wealthy,loves easy life,suffers from inferiority complex,loves good bath. Aadra: Insincere,selfish,proud,ungrateful,wicked,easily angered. Punarvasu: Well behaved,tactful,invalid,drinks too much water,uses harsh words,clever,cunning. Pushya: Lawyer,dutiful son,good natured,learned,wealthy,popular,righteous unperturbed. Ashlesha: Strong,joyful,learned,ungrateful,deceitful,multi tongued Magha: Wealthy,god fearing,highly enthusiastic,itinerant,loves flowers & fragrance,has many servants. Purva-Falguni: Charitable,sweet tongued,officer,far-seeing,apt to use harsh words, unsteady,successful merchant. Uttara-Falguni: Intellectual,truthful,short tempered,healthy minded,bad appetite. Hasta: Learned,courageous,enthusiastic,grateful,wealthy towards later part of life,merciless,shameless,potential thief. Chitra: Lovely eyes,shapely figure,good natured,fond of ornaments,deliberate Swati: Well behaved,charitable,god fearing,scholarly,dutiful to parents,has self-mastery,sweet tongued,officer of state. Vishakha: Jealous,miserly,prying,careful in speech,short tempered,god fearing servant. Anuradha: Wealthy,honoured by the great,dutiful to parents,rides on elephants, has beutiful hair,red eye lashes,loves tambul,has a flair for the fair sex,alaways travels or lives in foreign soil. Jayestha: Violently angry,uses harsh words,poor,lying,charitable,few friends, word juggler,joyful. Mula: Proud,rich,steady mind,ease loving,short tempered,harsh,hates relatives, loves discipline PurvaShadha: Tall,proud,has a loving wife,far-seeing,kind to mother,truthful,loves travel,beloved of women & wealthy friends UttraShadha: Strong,mascular,long nose,grateful,popular,humple,god fearing,beloved of his parents,loves wholesome meals,has great regards to relatives, has clear knowledge of good and bad. Shravan: Scholarly,famous,circumspective,beloved of the other sex,loves perfume, infectiously enthusiastic,perfect gentleman. Dhanistha: Fearless,independent,noble,valiant,highly opinionated,esteemed by the elderly,loves music. Shatbhisha: Lawyer,uncompromising,truthful,harsh tongued,learned,courageous,tactful, dependent,loved by kings. PurvaBhadrapada: Sad,easily won over by women,inherits money through women,has a gifted tongue,learned,godless,avaricious,jealous. Uttara-Bhadrapada: Charitable,talkative,tactful,deceitful,deadly in argument,prolific in procreation,has an aptitude for learning. Revathi: Perfect bodied,extremely popular,heroic,scorns others' money,has a,easily swayed,weakness for women,tactful speaker,leaves no room for blame. - nandan.chakraborty (AT) ilfsindia (DOT) com sjvc Friday, December 21, 2001 11:50 AM [sjvc] Relationship between planets Dear Solai GuruI was trying to go back to basics & read up to understand the basicmeanings of relationships between planets. I started reading 3 approaches,in all of which for simplicity, other considerations (ie house placement &lordship being ignored):1. BPHS: Planets in signs2. BPHS: Dasa-Antar results for planetary pairs3. Saravali: Conjunctions of planetary pairsI find that the basic meanings everywhere revolve mainly around a mergingof their separate natural significations, which are easy to understand, egSn-Ma or Sn in Ma's signs or their mutual dasa-bhuktis being to do withforceful stuff.HOWEVER, in the individual paras in the classics, strangely, I find severediversions from standard friend-enemy relations, which I would normallyexpect to have been incorporated in the individual paras relating to eachplanetary pair. Also, there are MANY MANY other inexplicable factsmentioned, strewn thru'out. There IS something missing in all this, whichprevents someone uninitiated trying to draw a method in all this. The otheroption is to mug all the divergences, which approach, Pt Rath has beat meon the knuckles for, previously. For example Pt Rath mentions Ve (Lakshmi)does well in the Guru Jp's lap (Sg= thighs), not with Ra/ St, whichasura-malefics carry her on their heads, & thus, while they gain wealth dueto natural friendship, they lose it ultimately. OTOH, in standard classics,these combinations are given as very good for wealth. What I mean is, thisis just one instance. There are many many inexplicable statements.Basically, what I am saying is: is it possible to have a detailed lesson onthis. I think this is THE fundamental lesson in basic astrology, & mostconfusions later, START from a wrong undrestanding of this.Note that house-placement & lordship-related interpretations are actuallymuch easier to understand than the above. And after that, is a whole hostof techniques & rules & caveats on all types of things in astrology. Butthis lesson is the ROOT of astrology. I wonder if you could think about alesson or more on this. Another humble suggestion: as many students in SJVC(unlike varahamihira) are more beginners (OR at least, desire to focus moreon the basic fundamentals first): in future lessons, could we allconcentrate on the SAME chart, unlike in advanced varahamihira List whereeach one uses & analyses a different example. Here, I personally feel, itwill be easier to fixate (& thus, probe deeper) into a single chart, fromeach other's interpretations, totruly fixate fundamentals instead offlitting chart paradigms to understand the plethora of factors instead,which IS the rightful focus of the varahamihira List.Due to certain personal reasons, I dont know, starting Feb 2002, whether Iwill get any time to spend on astrology or these Lists for atleast thefirst few months, till things settle down. I was wondering if you couldeven send me any 1/2 baked lesson on all this in advance - as I do havetime now (LOTS of it), for the next 2 weeks. Or any hints for me read up &understand this Basic better.PranamsNandanYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH JAYA JAGANNATHA Namaste Nandan, I understand your frustration. I will note some portions of the problems cited by you and try to solve it in the coming lessons, also I will note some of the points mentioned by Mr.Beau. But, I can do only to some extent. My and our biggest problem is Sanskrit. We have only the translations. They are insufficient. Because, Sanskrit is a special language, it has many meanings. It has many ways to interpret those meanings. We have to acknowledge this drawback. The translations, we have today are very poor in many aspects. With my very very poor Hindi (not Sanskrit) knowledge I can see many mistakes in the translations. Dhana is poorly translated as wealth, but its true meaning is more than wealth. Similarly, Artha, has many meanings, which one to be considered at a particular time depends on the prefix and suffix of a sloka. This is only one aspect of difficulty we face in interpreting the meaning. But, this can be rectified or improved by our own understanding of the basics. Let us look at the example you have given. When, no chart reference is given and other placement is not considered, apart from the natural Karakatwa and natural tatwa, we have to see the natural zodiac as reference. Mars is the 5th lord from the moon sign of cancer in the natural Zodiac and both of them have mutual sign aspect. So, it brings the happiness from children. Bilious illness to mother and self is because of the bilious malefic nature of Mars with Moon karaka for self (Janma rasi & mind) and mother. Mars is the yogakaraka for cancer and Aries aspects the 2nd house from cancer, plus Aries is a chara rasi and many sources of wealth is indicated. So, it all depends on the application. Thanks Solai Kannan nandan.chakraborty (AT) ilfsindia (DOT) com [nandan.chakraborty (AT) ilfsindia (DOT) com]24 December 2001 8:04 AMTo: sjvcSubject: Re: [sjvc] Relationship between planets Dear Mr Dasgupta & other friendsThank you for the list. Actually I was talking about PURE relationshipsbetween planets & undiluted by effects of lordships & house-placements,which your list is actually about. Pure planetary relationships includemeanings from classics in 3 areas: a) planetary positions in various signs(which is similar to being disposited by various planets), OR b)conjunctions between planets, or c) mutual dasa-antar effects.However, the point of writing THIS mail is different. Without meaning to inany way, detract from your effort in compiling your list of planets invarious houses, & as lords, for the benefit of all of us, I MUST URGE mostof us NOT to use lists like these at all. I wish to reiterate the pointmade in my previous e-mail. In all such meanings given, there are usually 3basic rules: (note I am ignoring placement & ALL house-related matters,whether placement in a house, or a lordship, all of which would incorporateyogas, etc etc: That is, let's just take plain planet X in sign Y OR planetX conjoined to planet Y OR X's maha dasa with Y's antar, all these INISOLATION):a) natural friendships, etc Sn in Arb) being in own/ exaltation, etc: eg Ma deb in Cnc) a merger of their natural meanings, eg fiery Sn with fiery Ma ignites Mainto say anger/ courage/ injury (as both natural malefics)The point is, there are MANY many things written in such definitions in theclassics, which provide meanings which are inexplicable OR even contra, ifyou just use the above 3 generic rules. I cant even begin to enumerate thedivergences. If u read these in any classic, u will find it yourself. So,there IS much that we do NOT understand, in finding a method to all this.It actually becomes much SIMPLER to explain, when u add on thecomplications of houses & placements. But just try reading the simpledefinitions of the 3 instances in the classics, & u will know what I amsaying.OK. Let me give an example. Mars dasa lord with Moon antar, where a typicaldefinition goes: hapiness fm children & friends; wealth from different &many sources, bilious trouble to self or mother. Lets analyse this.Ma (bile, anger, fiery, etc) with Moon (mother, wealth, watery, etc). Theyare mutual natural friends, inimical tattwas, for a start. Can u decipherALL aspects of the above definition from any stretch of imagination,knowing what u do know about the 2 planets (IGNORE placements, lordships,etc, as the definition also ignores it). Why is the wealth from DIFFERENTsources, why is the happiness from CHILDREN ?And u will find this road-block whatever part of the classics u read. Sothere IS something we need guidance on, not lists. Something missing inour approach to learningBest wishesNandanYour use of is subject to the -------------------------- Please note the new International Hospital of Bahrain Email address. It is changed from user (AT) theihb (DOT) com to user (AT) ihb (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2001 Report Share Posted December 24, 2001 Guru Solani Ji, I agree to you that multiplicity of meanings in sanskrit language and a gap of understanding between modern and ancient people are our biggest problems in Jyotish. Regarding your reply, I feel that the questions asked by Mr. Nandan are still not answered entirely. So I would pose a few more queries on the explanation given by you so that the problem Mr. Nandan and starters like me are facing is cleared. I would humbly suggest you to read the entire mail as a whole and then answer it in parts. As you said in your previous mail, >Mars is the 5th lord from the moon sign of cancer in the natural >Zodiac and both of them have mutual sign aspect. So, it brings the >happiness from children. Here, you have taken into account the significations that Mars fructifies (in Mars-Moon dasha) by being related to Moon as the 5th lord from the Cancer. There are many questions at this point which are confusing me. Does this relationship of Mars and Moon produce results during Mars-Moon dasha, inspite of there being other stronger relationships between Mars and Moon in a particular horoscope? Which one of these numerous relationships between Mars and Moon will actually fructify during say Mars-Moon dasha and if all of them fructify according to their relative strengths, How are they distributed throughout the Mars-Moon dasha...(say First-half and latter-half, or day and night, or according to Hora of Mars and Moon during a day, or according to weekday lordship)? Also, Whether the result will be different for Moon-Mars dasha (not considering the house lordship effects as Mr. Nandan pointed out)? What I want to emphatically ask is :- 1.) How many "different relations" (both actual and derived) can exist or are "recognized to exist", in the classical texts, between two different planets such that these "different relations" affect the "actual fructification that happens" in the corresponding dasha-antar ? (e.g. rashi dispositorship, nakshatra dispositorship, aspect, rashi/nakshatra exchange, relative position of two planets (like mutual kendra/kon..), relative position of their rashis, badhaka, karaka, mutual tatwa, mutual swabhava, are a few relations that, I know, can exist between two planets). If possible, please list all possible relationships that can exist between two planets and also explain what they are for and how they affect the natural signification of either of the two planets? 2.) Do these "different relations" affect the "actual fructification" in a mutually exclusive way or strengthen/weaken the affects of each other? 3.) Which of these "different relations" between the two planets will fructify in dasha-antar of two planets? As a hint to my view of this question, I have following to say: [some of the books, that I have read, say that the "common factor" between the two planets will fructify in dasha-antar of the two planets; Is it true? Which of the "different relationships" between two planets should we use to find the "common factor"? What are the rest of the relationships for?] 4.) What will be the result of the dasha-antar of the planets that are in "no way related" according to the "different relations" listed in the classical texts? Do classical texts say anything about such "non-related" planets? Though my queries are not yet finished, I want to be more realistic by modifying my other queries according to your answer to the above queries. Please, quote the dictums from the classical texts to prove your point, if possible, because that would help us starters to get a feel of what actually is happening rather than being overwhelmed by the sheer content of information given in ancient texts without significantly gaining any predictive power? Waiting for your reply, regards, nitish -- On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:42:20 Solai Kannan wrote: >OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH >JAYA JAGANNATHA > >Namaste Nandan, > >I understand your frustration. I will note some portions of the problems >cited by you and try to solve it in the coming lessons, also I will note >some of the points mentioned by Mr.Beau. But, I can do only to some extent. >My and our biggest problem is Sanskrit. We have only the translations. They >are insufficient. Because, Sanskrit is a special language, it has many >meanings. It has many ways to interpret those meanings. We have to >acknowledge this drawback. The translations, we have today are very poor in >many aspects. With my very very poor Hindi (not Sanskrit) knowledge I can >see many mistakes in the translations. Dhana is poorly translated as wealth, >but its true meaning is more than wealth. Similarly, Artha, has many >meanings, which one to be considered at a particular time depends on the >prefix and suffix of a sloka. This is only one aspect of difficulty we face >in interpreting the meaning. > >But, this can be rectified or improved by our own understanding of the >basics. > >Let us look at the example you have given. When, no chart reference is given >and other placement is not considered, apart from the natural Karakatwa and >natural tatwa, we have to see the natural zodiac as reference. > >Mars is the 5th lord from the moon sign of cancer in the natural Zodiac and >both of them have mutual sign aspect. So, it brings the happiness from >children. > >Bilious illness to mother and self is because of the bilious malefic nature >of Mars with Moon karaka for self (Janma rasi & mind) and mother. > >Mars is the yogakaraka for cancer and Aries aspects the 2nd house from >cancer, plus Aries is a chara rasi and many sources of wealth is indicated. > >So, it all depends on the application. > >Thanks >Solai Kannan > > >nandan.chakraborty >[nandan.chakraborty] >24 December 2001 8:04 AM >sjvc >Re: [sjvc] Relationship between planets > > > > Dear Mr Dasgupta & other friends > > Thank you for the list. Actually I was talking about PURE relationships > between planets & undiluted by effects of lordships & house-placements, > which your list is actually about. Pure planetary relationships include > meanings from classics in 3 areas: a) planetary positions in various signs > (which is similar to being disposited by various planets), OR b) > conjunctions between planets, or c) mutual dasa-antar effects. > > However, the point of writing THIS mail is different. Without meaning to >in > any way, detract from your effort in compiling your list of planets in > various houses, & as lords, for the benefit of all of us, I MUST URGE most > of us NOT to use lists like these at all. I wish to reiterate the point > made in my previous e-mail. In all such meanings given, there are usually >3 > basic rules: (note I am ignoring placement & ALL house-related matters, > whether placement in a house, or a lordship, all of which would >incorporate > yogas, etc etc: That is, let's just take plain planet X in sign Y OR >planet > X conjoined to planet Y OR X's maha dasa with Y's antar, all these IN > ISOLATION): > > a) natural friendships, etc Sn in Ar > b) being in own/ exaltation, etc: eg Ma deb in Cn > c) a merger of their natural meanings, eg fiery Sn with fiery Ma ignites >Ma > into say anger/ courage/ injury (as both natural malefics) > > The point is, there are MANY many things written in such definitions in >the > classics, which provide meanings which are inexplicable OR even contra, if > you just use the above 3 generic rules. I cant even begin to enumerate the > divergences. If u read these in any classic, u will find it yourself. So, > there IS much that we do NOT understand, in finding a method to all this. > It actually becomes much SIMPLER to explain, when u add on the > complications of houses & placements. But just try reading the simple > definitions of the 3 instances in the classics, & u will know what I am > saying. > > OK. Let me give an example. Mars dasa lord with Moon antar, where a >typical > definition goes: hapiness fm children & friends; wealth from different & > many sources, bilious trouble to self or mother. Lets analyse this. > Ma (bile, anger, fiery, etc) with Moon (mother, wealth, watery, etc). They > are mutual natural friends, inimical tattwas, for a start. Can u decipher > ALL aspects of the above definition from any stretch of imagination, > knowing what u do know about the 2 planets (IGNORE placements, lordships, > etc, as the definition also ignores it). Why is the wealth from DIFFERENT > sources, why is the happiness from CHILDREN ? > > And u will find this road-block whatever part of the classics u read. So > there IS something we need guidance on, not lists. Something missing in > our approach to learning > > Best wishes > > Nandan > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > >-\ ------------------------- >Please note the new International Hospital of Bahrain Email address. It is changed from >user to user -- Click here for your very own create-a-date adventure from MatchMaker Go to http://ecard.matchmaker.com/dating.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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