Lesson 2 - Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

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HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH.

 

Pujya Gurudeva and List members,

This email is in response to Shri VeniVas' reply.

 

sjvc, "VeniVas" <shreetri> wrote:

> As everybody knows we have not yet fully entered Kali period,

 

THERE ARE DIFFERENT TIME SYSTEMS WHICH OFTEN HAVE COMMON NAMES.AS PER

THE SCRIPTURES, KALI YUGA STARTED AROUND 3200 B.C, THE EXACT DATE AND

TIME OF WHICH IS NOT COMPLETELY RESOLVED FOR THE AYANAMSHA

QUESTION.HOW DO I KNOW THIS? NOT FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT FROM THE

SCRIPTURES AND THEIR TRANSLATIONS BY BONAFIDE DEVOTEES SUCH AS SRILA

PRABHUPADA.IN THE VARAHAMIHIRA GROUP, GURUDEV SANJAY RATH SAID THAT

WE HAVE ENTERED THE SATYA SANATANA YUGA AS PER SRI ACHYUTA DAS'

BOOKS.THIS IS A DIFFERENT CYCLE AND GURUDEV WILL BE ABLE TO TELL

ABOUT THIS AS I HAVE VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS. THIS SATYA

SANATANA YUGA IS ALSO MENTIONED BY OTHER SAINTS LIKE PARAMAHAMSA

YOGANANDA(AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI).

 

so the Avataar of Budhha is taken as in the transition or "Sandhi"

between Dwaapara yuga and Kali. This is also one the reasons that

Shri Krishna gets prominence in all references vis-a-vis Budhha, as

this incarnation is the closest to a past Maha yuga ( Shri

Krishnaavataara being in the main Dwaapara yuga ) also because

Buddha's incarnation was totally different from the other

incarnations of Shri Vishnu. So in Kaliyuga the ONLY incarnation will

be that of Shri Kalki ( please do not equate to the now popular Kalki

proponents ). So Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu being an incarnation of

Shri Vishnu is a wrong interpretation. Like other great Shri Krishna

devotees he is also an intimate devotee of Shri Krishna or Shri

Vishnu. Period.

 

I COULDN'T DIGEST YOUR WORDS THAT CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU IS NOT AN

INCARNATION OF GOD. ARE YOU GIVING THIS STATEMENT AFTER THOROUGHLY

STUDYING THE SCRIPTURES OR BY THE WORDS OF A BONFIDE SPIRITUAL

MASTER ? TO SETTLE THIS MATTER WE HAVE TO TAKE REFUGE OF THE

SCRIPTURES AND THE GURU AND ACCORDINGLY I QUOTE FROM THEM BELOW :

 

CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU IS THE GOLDEN INCARNATION OF KALI YUGA AND HIS

TAKING THIS SPECIFIC FORM FOR EXPERIENCING RADHA'S LOVE TO KRISHNA IS

GIVEN IN THE SCRIPTURES.

GARGA MUNI HAD INDICATED ABOUT CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU AT THE NAME-

GIVING CEREMONY OF LORD KRISHNA AS

"asan varnas trayo hy asya grhnato `nuyugam tanuh

suklo raktastatha pita idanim krsnatam gatah

 

"This boy, Krsna, has three other colors: white, red, and yellow as

He appears in different ages. Now, in this Dvarpa-yuga, He has

appeared in a transcendental blackish color." (Srimad Bhagavatham.

10.8.13)

 

"

 

IN THE ATHARVA VEDA (PURUSHA-BODINI UPANISHAD) IT IS SAID:

 

SAPTAME GAURA-VARNA-VISHNOR ITY ANENA SVA-SHAKTYA CAIKYAM ETYA PRANTE

PRATAR AVATIRYA SAHA SVAIH SVA-MANUM SHIKSHAYATI

 

"IN THE SEVENTH MANVANTARA, THE SUPREME LORD WILL, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS

OWN ASSOCIATES, DESCEND IN A GOLDEN FORM. HE WILL TEACH THE CHANTING

OF HIS OWN HOLY NAMES."

 

IT IS FURTHER STATED IN THE ATHARVA VEDA:

 

ITO 'HAM KRITA-SANNYASO 'VATARISHYAMI SA-GUNO NIRVEDO NISHKAMO BHU-

GIRBANAS TIRA-STHO 'LAKANANDAYAH KALAU CATUH-SAHASRABDHOPARI PANCA-

SAHASRABHYANTARE GAURA-VARNO DIRGHANGAH SARVA-LAKSHANA-YUKTA ISHVARA-

PRARTHITO NIJA-RASASVADO BHAKTA-RUPO MISHRAKHYO VIDITA-YOGAH SYAM

 

"THE SUPREME LORD HIMSELF SAYS: WHEN BETWEEN FOUR THOUSAND AND FIVE

THOUSAND YEARS OF KALI-YUGA HAVE PASSED, I WILL DESCEND TO THE EARTH

IN A PLACE BY THE GANGES' SHORE. I WILL BE A TALL, SAINTLY BRAHMANA

DEVOTEE OF THE LORD, AND HAVE A GOLDEN COMPLEXION. I WILL BE

RENOUNCED AND FREE FROM ALL DESIRE. I WILL ACCEPT THE ORDER OF

RENUNCIATION (SANNYASA). I WILL BE A DEVOTEE ADVANCED IN BHAKTI-YOGA.

I WILL CHANT THE HOLY NAMES OF THE LORD. I WILL TASTE THE SWEET

MELLOWS OF MY OWN DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. ONLY THE GREAT DEVOTEES WILL

UNDERSTAND ME."

 

IN THE SAMA VEDA THE LORD STATES:

 

TATHAHAM KRITA-SANNYASO BHU-GIRBANO 'VATARISYE TIRE 'LAKANANDAYAH

PUNAH PUNAR ISHVARA-PRARTHITAH SA-PARIVARO NIRALAMBO NIRDHUTEH KALI-

KALMASHA-KAVALITA-JANAVALAMBANAYA

 

"TO DELIVER THE PEOPLE DEVOURED BY THE SINS OF KALI-YUGA, I WILL,

ACCOMPANIED BY MY ASSOCIATES, DESCEND TO THE EARTH IN A PLACE BY THE

GANGES SHORE. I WILL BE A BRAHMANA AVADHUTA SANNYASI. AGAIN AND AGAIN

I WILL CHANT THE HOLY NAMES OF THE LORD."

 

 

IN THE ELEVENTH CANTO OF SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM THE FOLLOWING VERSE IS

FOUND:

 

KRISHNA-VARNAM TVISHAKRISHNAM

SANGOPANGASTRA-PARSHADAM

YAJNAIH SANKIRTANA-PRAYAIR

YAJANTI HI SU-MEDHASAH

 

"IN THE AGE OF KALI, INTELLIGENT PERSONS PERFORM CONGREGATIONAL

CHANTING TO WORSHIP THE INCARNATION OF GODHEAD, WHO CONSTANTLY SINGS

THE NAME OF KRISHNA. ALTHOUGH HIS COMPLEXION IS NOT BLACKISH, HE IS

KRISHNA HIMSELF. HE IS ACCOMPANIED BY HIS ASSOCIATES, SERVANTS,

WEAPONS, AND CONFIDENTIAL COMPANIONS."

 

IN THE SEVENTH CANTO OF SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM IS THE FOLLOWING VERSE

DESCRIBING THE LORD'S INCARNATIONS:

 

CHANNAH KALAU YAD ABHAVA TRI-YUGO 'THA SA TVAM

 

"BECAUSE IN KALI-YUGA YOU APPEAR IN A COVERED INCARNATION, YOU ARE

THEREFORE KNOWN AS TRI-YUGA (ONE WHO APPEARS IN ONLY THREE YUGAS)."

 

THESE WERE SOME OF THE REFERENCES WHICH I FOUND AT

http://www.indiadivine.com/tattva14.htm

 

>

> We should always bear in mind that come what may seem or appear

NOBODY, NO ELEMENT, NO BEING can be Shri Vishnu or his incarnation

except those that have been detailed in the Vedas and Puraanas.

 

I AGREE WITH YOU PERECTLY IN THIS REGARD AND SO I HAVE GIVEN THE

APPROPRIATE QUOTES

 

But since there can be so many interpretations of the above said

references it bears extremely critical examination to come to an

understanding.

 

IT IS MY BELIEF THAT CRITICAL EXAMINATION IS PURELY ON THE MENTAL

LEVEL WHILE THE SUBJECT MATTER OF DISCUSSION IS THE SUPREME LORD WHO

IS ABOVE THIS (WE HAVE 3 BODIES - PHYSICAL , MENTAL AND

SPIRITUAL).THEREFORE, WE HAVE TO GET KNOWLEDGE BY SUMBITTING AT THE

FEET OF THE GURU. BUT, AS YOU IMPLY WE MUST CRITICALLY EXAMINE

WHETHER THE PERSON AT WHOSE FEET WE SUBMIT IS A BONAFIDE GURU .

 

IF KANNAN GURU AND OTHER GURUS IN THE LIST ACCEPT, I WILL WRITE ABOUT

CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU, THE SAVIOUR OF KALI YUGA, IN FUTURE.

 

 

Your sishya,

 

SRIRAM.N.KIZHAKKEMADAM

 

>

> ShreePatirMaandoNaha

>

> Shreeni

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> pvr@c...

> sjvc

> Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:19 AM

> [sjvc] Re: Lesson 2

>

>

> Dear Sriram,

>

> Matsya, Koorma, Varaaha, Nrisimha, Vaamana, Bhaargava Raama,

Raama,

> Krishna, Buddha and Kalki are the ten key incarnations

> (Dasaavataaras) mentioned in scriptures. There are other

incarnations

> that the Lord took for saving virtue and destroying vice, but

these

> are the dasaavataaras or ten prime incarnations.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > OM GURAVE NAMAH.

> >

> > Pujya Narasimhaji,

> > You had mentioned that Lord MahaVishnu has 2 incarnations in

> Kali

> > Yuga, Buddha and Kalki.What about the golden incarnation, Sri

> > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the incarnation of Radha and Krishna as a

> > devotee? His incarnation had been predicted in the Srimad

> > Bhagavatham.Including Him, there shouldn't there be 3

incarnations

> in

> > Kali Yuga?

> >

> > Your sishya,

> > Sriram.N.Kizhakkemadam

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