lesson 2

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1)Defining God's role in my life.

God is like the Sun, ever-renewing, ever-blessing my being,

creating warmth, growth, love, light. God is like the Moon, cool, rich,

fragrant, peaceful, ever blessing me. God is Lakshmi in my life,

caryying pink lotuses, offering abundance, offering moksha. God is

Venus in my life, bring poetry, music, beauty, devotion. God is Saturn,

locking me in Time, creating boundaries, decay, loss, discipline,

discernment, varaigya, detachment. God is also Jupiter, the teacher,

and Mercury, the intelligence, the messenger. God is so many things to

me I can not name them all, the raison d'etre of my existence.

 

2) In the past year--

I ventured into Kriya yoga, studied the Bhagavad Gita and the

Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. I did a surrender practice as outlined by the

mother of the Sri Aurobindo Ashram and altered my course in life,

hearing a call to study Ayurveda full time. In the past year I left a

job that did not serve me even though it paid very well and gave great

security. I have tried to follow God's path to the best of my ability.

I surrendered to the Divine Mother, to God, to Lakshmi, in the past

year that my words, actions, and presence might be more directed by

Divine Will.

 

3)All is God is more relevant as a statement--

As the sufis say--La illah ha illa' lah-- There is not God but

God, or there is only God everywhere. In the light of Bhakti, of

beholding God in all beings and things, the perception can come that

everything is God beneath the outer appearances of this world.

If one says, "God is all," one might fall into duality, thinking,

for example, this pain in my body is nothing, is illusion, God is the

only thing that matters. In this way the mind may make too many

distinctions and divisions, saying the only thing that is important is

God, and contrasting God "with not-God."

 

4)The role of the Jyotish is to read the karmic roadmap of the

birthchart and to offer assitance, to help the being to minimize

malefic influences and draw upon the higher Will. The role of the

priest is to lift the mind of the person into Sattva guna but with less

of a roadmap than the Jyotish. The priest is not dedicating himself in

the same way as the jyotish. The offerings of prayers, mantrums that

the priest gives will lift a person. The penetrating eye of the Vedas,

or Jyotish, will give the person a self-understanding and insight into

his karma, a kind of engineering of the soul

 

Peace, David Burrow

[Guest guest]

HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH.

 

Pujya Narasimhaji,

You had mentioned that Lord MahaVishnu has 2 incarnations in Kali

Yuga, Buddha and Kalki.What about the golden incarnation, Sri

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the incarnation of Radha and Krishna as a

devotee? His incarnation had been predicted in the Srimad

Bhagavatham.Including Him, there shouldn't there be 3 incarnations in

Kali Yuga?

 

Your sishya,

Sriram.N.Kizhakkemadam

 

sjvc, pvr@c... wrote:

> Dear Virgilio,

>

> > I follow the Tibetan Buddhism .

> > In fundamental Buddhism, the emphasis is on seeing Truth, on

> knowing it,

> > and on understanding it. The emphasis is NOT on BLIND faith. The

> teaching

> > of Buddhism is on "come and see" but never on come and believe.

> Buddhism is

> > rational and requires personal effort, stating that by only one's

> own

> > efforts can Perfect Wisdom be realized. Each individual is

> responsible for

> > his or her own emancipation from anguish and suffering.

> > Buddhism allows each individual to study and observe Truth

> internally and

> > requires no blind faith before acceptance. Buddhism advocates no

> dogmas, no

> > creeds, no rites, no ceremonies, no sacrifices, no penances, all

of

> which

> > must usually be accepted on blind faith. Buddhism is not a system

> of faith

> > and worship but rather it is merely a Path to Supreme

Enlightenment.

> > The Buddha referred to his teaching as simply a raft to leave

this

> shore of

> > suffering and impermanence, and to get to the other shore of

bliss

> and

> > safety, True Permanent Reality, Nirvana. Upon realization of

> Nirvana, the

> > raft is no longer needed.

>

> Thank you for the beautiful words.

>

> Sri Maha Vishnu is the Supreme deity of Hindus and he took twn main

> incarnations. He has two incarnations in Kali yuga. One is Buddha

at

> the beginning of Kali yuga and the other is Kalki at the end of

Kali

> Yuga. Buddha's teachings are nothing but Maha Vishnu's teachings

for

> the fallen ones of Kali yuga. Sadly, many Hindus today engage in

> rituals and procedures which they do not really understand and

which

> they perform mechanically. The real knowledge is gone and only

> symbols are left.

>

> I appreciate what you wrote about blind faith. Though things

changed

> in the last few millennia, ancient Hindu philosphical approach is

> also consistent with what you mentioned. We respect Guru as a form

of

> god and listen to him with bhakti (devotion). However, the real

> meaning of what a guru teaches can be 'experienced' by one only

when

> one tries hard to understand. Hindu seers are so open-minded that

> seemingly contradictory theories are accepted. The 'Absolute Truth'

> is so complicated that it cannot be passed on or taught. It can

only

> be 'realized' or 'experienced'. One can only realize different

parts

> of the big picture that the 'absolute truth' is. Sometimes

differents

> parts of it seem contradictory to a simplistic observer.

>

> There was a lot of corruption in Hindu philosophy and Maha Vishnu

> came to this earth as Lord Buddha to reset the focus of people who

> were lost in symbols, rituals and procedures and forgot the meaning

> and purpose.

>

> May God bless your search for Truth and everyone else's.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Guess I will not be ejected from this group for saying this.

 

As Narasimhaji has rightly said there are 10 main incarnations of Lord Vishnu.

With many auxiliary appearances which are not necessarily referenced as

"Avataar"s. As everybody knows we have not yet fully entered Kali period, so

the Avataar of Budhha is taken as in the transition or "Sandhi" between

Dwaapara yuga and Kali. This is also one the reasons that Shri Krishna gets

prominence in all references vis-a-vis Budhha, as this incarnation is the

closest to a past Maha yuga ( Shri Krishnaavataara being in the main Dwaapara

yuga ) also because Buddha's incarnation was totally different from the other

incarnations of Shri Vishnu. So in Kaliyuga the ONLY incarnation will be that

of Shri Kalki ( please do not equate to the now popular Kalki proponents ). So

Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu being an incarnation of Shri Vishnu is a wrong

interpretation. Like other great Shri Krishna devotees he is also an intimate

devotee of Shri Krishna or Shri Vishnu. Period.

 

We should always bear in mind that come what may seem or appear NOBODY, NO

ELEMENT, NO BEING can be Shri Vishnu or his incarnation except those that have

been detailed in the Vedas and Puraanas. But since there can be so many

interpretations of the above said references it bears extremely critical

examination to come to an understanding.

 

ShreePatirMaandoNaha

 

Shreeni

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sjvc

Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:19 AM

[sjvc] Re: Lesson 2

Dear Sriram,Matsya, Koorma, Varaaha, Nrisimha, Vaamana, Bhaargava Raama, Raama,

Krishna, Buddha and Kalki are the ten key incarnations (Dasaavataaras)

mentioned in scriptures. There are other incarnations that the Lord took for

saving virtue and destroying vice, but these are the dasaavataaras or ten prime

incarnations.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> HARE RAMA KRISHNA> OM

GURAVE NAMAH.> > Pujya Narasimhaji,> You had mentioned that Lord MahaVishnu

has 2 incarnations in Kali > Yuga, Buddha and Kalki.What about the golden

incarnation, Sri > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the incarnation of Radha and Krishna

as a > devotee? His incarnation had been predicted in the Srimad >

Bhagavatham.Including Him, there shouldn't there be 3 incarnations in > Kali

Yuga? > > Your sishya,> Sriram.N.KizhakkemadamYour use of is

subject to the

[Guest guest]

When does the Kali Yuga start? I thought we were already in it, and

that it extends to 7000AD or so.

 

Namaste,

David

 

 

 

sjvc, "VeniVas" <shreetri> wrote:

> Guess I will not be ejected from this group for saying this.

>

> As Narasimhaji has rightly said there are 10 main incarnations of Lord Vishnu.

With many auxiliary appearances which are not necessarily referenced as

"Avataar"s. As everybody knows we have not yet fully entered Kali period, so the

Avataar of Budhha is taken as in the transition or "Sandhi" between Dwaapara

yuga and Kali. This is also one the reasons that Shri Krishna gets prominence

in all references vis-a-vis Budhha, as this incarnation is the closest to a past

Maha yuga ( Shri Krishnaavataara being in the main Dwaapara yuga ) also because

Buddha's incarnation was totally different from the other incarnations of Shri

Vishnu. So in Kaliyuga the ONLY incarnation will be that of Shri Kalki ( please

do not equate to the now popular Kalki proponents ). So Shri Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu being an incarnation of Shri Vishnu is a wrong interpretation. Like

other great Shri Krishna devotees he is also an intimate devotee of Shri Krishna

or Shri Vishnu. Period.

>

> We should always bear in mind that come what may seem or appear NOBODY, NO

ELEMENT, NO BEING can be Shri Vishnu or his incarnation except those that have

been detailed in the Vedas and Puraanas. But since there can be so many

interpretations of the above said references it bears extremely critical

examination to come to an understanding.

>

> ShreePatirMaandoNaha

>

> Shreeni

> -

> pvr@c...

> sjvc

> Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:19 AM

> [sjvc] Re: Lesson 2

>

>

> Dear Sriram,

>

> Matsya, Koorma, Varaaha, Nrisimha, Vaamana, Bhaargava Raama, Raama,

> Krishna, Buddha and Kalki are the ten key incarnations

> (Dasaavataaras) mentioned in scriptures. There are other incarnations

> that the Lord took for saving virtue and destroying vice, but these

> are the dasaavataaras or ten prime incarnations.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > OM GURAVE NAMAH.

> >

> > Pujya Narasimhaji,

> > You had mentioned that Lord MahaVishnu has 2 incarnations in

> Kali

> > Yuga, Buddha and Kalki.What about the golden incarnation, Sri

> > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the incarnation of Radha and Krishna as a

> > devotee? His incarnation had been predicted in the Srimad

> > Bhagavatham.Including Him, there shouldn't there be 3 incarnations

> in

> > Kali Yuga?

> >

> > Your sishya,

> > Sriram.N.Kizhakkemadam

>

>

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HARE RAMA KRISHNA

OM GURAVE NAMAH

 

Pujya Narasimhaji,

Thanks for your clarification.

 

Your sishya,

K.N.Sriram

sjvc, pvr@c... wrote:

> Dear Sriram,

>

> Matsya, Koorma, Varaaha, Nrisimha, Vaamana, Bhaargava Raama, Raama,

> Krishna, Buddha and Kalki are the ten key incarnations

> (Dasaavataaras) mentioned in scriptures. There are other

incarnations

> that the Lord took for saving virtue and destroying vice, but these

> are the dasaavataaras or ten prime incarnations.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > OM GURAVE NAMAH.

> >

> > Pujya Narasimhaji,

> > You had mentioned that Lord MahaVishnu has 2 incarnations in

> Kali

> > Yuga, Buddha and Kalki.What about the golden incarnation, Sri

> > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the incarnation of Radha and Krishna as a

> > devotee? His incarnation had been predicted in the Srimad

> > Bhagavatham.Including Him, there shouldn't there be 3

incarnations

> in

> > Kali Yuga?

> >

> > Your sishya,

> > Sriram.N.Kizhakkemadam

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreeni,

 

(1) We ARE in Kali Yuga right now. Buddhaavatara of Lord Vishnu WAS

in Kali yuga (though very close to the beginning).

 

(2) We are all fortunate to be accepted into an astrological

tradition whose roots connect it to Chaitanya Mahaprabhu!

 

What is the difference between an intimate devotee and the Lord

himself? There is no need to offend the devotees of Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu by trying to draw lines.

 

Suffice to list Dasavataras as the prime incarnations and to state

that the Lord takes many other forms to save virtue and destroy vice.

 

(3) The whole thread came from some tenets of Buddhism that some

members could not appreciate. Those teachings are not alien to Hindu

philosophy and Buddha is Vishnu himself. That was the main topic. Let

us not get sidetracked into an argument about Mahatma vs Mahatma.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

sjvc, "VeniVas" <shreetri> wrote:

> Guess I will not be ejected from this group for saying this.

>

> As Narasimhaji has rightly said there are 10 main incarnations of

Lord Vishnu. With many auxiliary appearances which are not

necessarily referenced as "Avataar"s. As everybody knows we have not

yet fully entered Kali period, so the Avataar of Budhha is taken as

in the transition or "Sandhi" between Dwaapara yuga and Kali. This

is also one the reasons that Shri Krishna gets prominence in all

references vis-a-vis Budhha, as this incarnation is the closest to a

past Maha yuga ( Shri Krishnaavataara being in the main Dwaapara

yuga ) also because Buddha's incarnation was totally different from

the other incarnations of Shri Vishnu. So in Kaliyuga the ONLY

incarnation will be that of Shri Kalki ( please do not equate to the

now popular Kalki proponents ). So Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu being an

incarnation of Shri Vishnu is a wrong interpretation. Like other

great Shri Krishna devotees he is also an intimate devotee of Shri

Krishna or Shri Vishnu. Period.

>

> We should always bear in mind that come what may seem or appear

NOBODY, NO ELEMENT, NO BEING can be Shri Vishnu or his incarnation

except those that have been detailed in the Vedas and Puraanas. But

since there can be so many interpretations of the above said

references it bears extremely critical examination to come to an

understanding.

>

> ShreePatirMaandoNaha

>

> Shreeni