Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Dear Guru Solai and other list members > In that mail, one of the rules is: > > "1.2. The lord of the seventh from the debilitated planet in a > Kendra from Lagna or Moon.." Is it valid to extend the above rule like "... Kendra from Lagna, Moon, Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna"? Best Regards, Venkat > > As per this, Venus get neecha in Virgo, 7th lord from Virgo is >Pisces and its lord Jupiter must be in Kendra to Lagna or Moon. For > > her Jupiter and Moon are in lagna. Now because of this Jupiter's >placement, Venus gets Neechabanga. Hence, Jupiter is the one who >initiates this neechabanga and through its (Jupiter) Karakatwa and >through the personalities represented by its Karkatwa, Venus gets >strength. As we can understand from this the neecha >canceling planet must also be strong to make canceling more >effectively. > > Thanks > Solai Kannan > > > J.K.Dasgupta [dga@b...] > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:31 AM > sjvc > Re: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > Respected Solaiji, > > Yes, I have seen the mail. The reply states the rules under which a neecha > planet is under neechabhanga as given by Guruji Pt. Rath. > > But my doubt is which planet will come to the rescue of the neecha planet > and cause neechabhanga? Is it the depositor or the 7th lord or the lord of > the exault sign of the neecha planet or anybody else. And under which > circustances? I am not clear and may be I have some basic misconception > about neechabhanga. > > For example, in the case of Lakhsmiji 7th lord from neecha Ve is carrying > out the rescue operation. > > Regards, > > Dasgupta > > - > Solai Kannan > sjvc > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:45 AM > RE: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > Namaste Dasgupta, > > Have you seen the reply sent by Mrs.Lakshmi Ramesh in reply to Mr.Jay > Weiss? The second mail in this thread. > Wherein, she has copied Gurudeva's earlier mail regarding Neechabanga. > Please check it. > > So, the planet which gives neechabanga will come into rescue or > strengthens the Neecha planet. > > Thanks > Solai Kannan > > J.K.Dasgupta [dga@b...] > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:49 AM > sjvc > Re: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > Respected Solaiji, > > This raises a basic doubt in my mind. In case of neechabhanga, what > are the indications in a chart that, > > 1. Which planet will come to rescue of a neecha yogakaraka planet - is > it the 7th lord from the neecha planet or the depositor of the neecha planet > or a strong planet aspecting it? > > 2. Under what circumstances? > > Please guide me. > > Regards, > > Dasgupta > - > Solai Kannan > sjvc > Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:30 AM > [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > Namaste Lakshmi, > > What I remember from Gurudeva's teaching is: > > The neechabanga giving planet represents the personalities, who come > into rescue of the Neecha planet. Say in your case, Jupiter being the > neechabanga giving planet, it can be your Husband or your Guru (Teacher) or > your Senior in workplace, who come into rescue of Venus' neecha in > Karmasthana. So, as you mentioned, the neechabanga is supported through > various karakatwa of the Neechabanga giving planet. Naturally, the effect > will be more pronounced during its period. > > Thanks > Solai Kannan > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:25 AM > sjvc > [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > Om Gurave Namah > ---------------- > > Shri Sanjay and Solai, > > Namaste. Regarding Neechabhanga, I read in Dr. Raman's > "Catechism on Astrology" that the benefits of > Neechabhanga will accrue mostly during the > dasa/antardasa of the planet(s) who'd caused the > neechabhanga, since it is quite possible that > neechabhanga is caused in more than one way and by > more than one planet. > > It is also mentioned that where neechabhanga is > strong, it is almost equal to exaltation. The > situation of the neecha planet, the strength of the > planet(s) causing neechabhanga etc. would determine > the extent of neechabhanga. > > Guruji, are the results of neechabhanga solely derived > from the naisargika / functional significations of the > "neecha" planet ? > > OR > > vary/(get modified) according to the naisargika / > functional significations of the planet that caused > the neechabhanga? > > Example: > > 1) In my chart Venus is debilitated in the 10th > house(virgo), but neechabhanga is caused by > Jupiter(7th lord from Venus), who's situated in > lagna/chandra lagna, being the lagna lord. So, the > results, according to B.V. Raman would fructify more > in Guru Mahadasa/Antardasa than in Sukra Mahadasa. > Here, I also strongly feel that Venus's > significations would be heavily influenced by those of > Guru. > > 2) Now, suppose the Neechabhanga were to be caused by > Mercury (dispositor of Venus), I feel that the results > would be more influenced by the significations of > Mercury, and that there would be a marked difference > between the results output in (1) and (2) cases. > > So, with all parameters of the "neecha" planet > remaining constant, does the "hue" of neechabhanga > change in consonance with different planets (variable) > causing it? Shri Raman did not comment about this. > > Waiting for your guidance. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH JAYA JAGANNATHA Namaste Venkat, No. stretching the rules are not permitted by Gurudeva. Moreover, neecha is "one" of the strength factors. So, it is not the only deciding factor to worry. Thanks Solai Kannan sjvc, "Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy> wrote: > Dear Guru Solai and other list members > > > > In that mail, one of the rules is: > > > > "1.2. The lord of the seventh from the debilitated planet in a > > Kendra from Lagna or Moon.." > > Is it valid to extend the above rule like > > "... Kendra from Lagna, Moon, Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna"? > > Best Regards, Venkat > > > > > > As per this, Venus get neecha in Virgo, 7th lord from Virgo is > >Pisces and its lord Jupiter must be in Kendra to Lagna or Moon. For > > > her Jupiter and Moon are in lagna. Now because of this Jupiter's > >placement, Venus gets Neechabanga. Hence, Jupiter is the one who > >initiates this neechabanga and through its (Jupiter) Karakatwa and > >through the personalities represented by its Karkatwa, Venus gets > >strength. As we can understand from this the neecha > >canceling planet must also be strong to make canceling more > >effectively. > > > > Thanks > > Solai Kannan > > > > > > J.K.Dasgupta [dga@b...] > > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:31 AM > > sjvc > > Re: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > Respected Solaiji, > > > > Yes, I have seen the mail. The reply states the rules under which > a neecha > > planet is under neechabhanga as given by Guruji Pt. Rath. > > > > But my doubt is which planet will come to the rescue of the neecha > planet > > and cause neechabhanga? Is it the depositor or the 7th lord or the > lord of > > the exault sign of the neecha planet or anybody else. And under > which > > circustances? I am not clear and may be I have some basic > misconception > > about neechabhanga. > > > > For example, in the case of Lakhsmiji 7th lord from neecha Ve is > carrying > > out the rescue operation. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dasgupta > > > > - > > Solai Kannan > > sjvc > > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:45 AM > > RE: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > > Namaste Dasgupta, > > > > Have you seen the reply sent by Mrs.Lakshmi Ramesh in reply to > Mr.Jay > > Weiss? The second mail in this thread. > > Wherein, she has copied Gurudeva's earlier mail regarding > Neechabanga. > > Please check it. > > > > So, the planet which gives neechabanga will come into rescue or > > strengthens the Neecha planet. > > > > Thanks > > Solai Kannan > > > > J.K.Dasgupta [dga@b...] > > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:49 AM > > sjvc > > Re: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > Respected Solaiji, > > > > This raises a basic doubt in my mind. In case of neechabhanga, > what > > are the indications in a chart that, > > > > 1. Which planet will come to rescue of a neecha yogakaraka > planet - is > > it the 7th lord from the neecha planet or the depositor of the > neecha planet > > or a strong planet aspecting it? > > > > 2. Under what circumstances? > > > > Please guide me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dasgupta > > - > > Solai Kannan > > sjvc > > Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:30 AM > > [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > > Namaste Lakshmi, > > > > What I remember from Gurudeva's teaching is: > > > > The neechabanga giving planet represents the personalities, > who come > > into rescue of the Neecha planet. Say in your case, Jupiter being > the > > neechabanga giving planet, it can be your Husband or your Guru > (Teacher) or > > your Senior in workplace, who come into rescue of Venus' neecha in > > Karmasthana. So, as you mentioned, the neechabanga is supported > through > > various karakatwa of the Neechabanga giving planet. Naturally, the > effect > > will be more pronounced during its period. > > > > Thanks > > Solai Kannan > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > > Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:25 AM > > sjvc > > [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > ---------------- > > > > Shri Sanjay and Solai, > > > > Namaste. Regarding Neechabhanga, I read in Dr. Raman's > > "Catechism on Astrology" that the benefits of > > Neechabhanga will accrue mostly during the > > dasa/antardasa of the planet(s) who'd caused the > > neechabhanga, since it is quite possible that > > neechabhanga is caused in more than one way and by > > more than one planet. > > > > It is also mentioned that where neechabhanga is > > strong, it is almost equal to exaltation. The > > situation of the neecha planet, the strength of the > > planet(s) causing neechabhanga etc. would determine > > the extent of neechabhanga. > > > > Guruji, are the results of neechabhanga solely derived > > from the naisargika / functional significations of the > > "neecha" planet ? > > > > OR > > > > vary/(get modified) according to the naisargika / > > functional significations of the planet that caused > > the neechabhanga? > > > > Example: > > > > 1) In my chart Venus is debilitated in the 10th > > house(virgo), but neechabhanga is caused by > > Jupiter(7th lord from Venus), who's situated in > > lagna/chandra lagna, being the lagna lord. So, the > > results, according to B.V. Raman would fructify more > > in Guru Mahadasa/Antardasa than in Sukra Mahadasa. > > Here, I also strongly feel that Venus's > > significations would be heavily influenced by those of > > Guru. > > > > 2) Now, suppose the Neechabhanga were to be caused by > > Mercury (dispositor of Venus), I feel that the results > > would be more influenced by the significations of > > Mercury, and that there would be a marked difference > > between the results output in (1) and (2) cases. > > > > So, with all parameters of the "neecha" planet > > remaining constant, does the "hue" of neechabhanga > > change in consonance with different planets (variable) > > causing it? Shri Raman did not comment about this. > > > > Waiting for your guidance. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > Terms of > Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 OM GURAVE NAMAH!!! Namaste Solai and List Members, Reading the postings abot Neechbhanga a question comes to mind. Does Neechbhanga occur only during the dasa period of the planet causing Neechbhanga? Looking at my chart I have Sa in Aries and Sun in the 7th house from ascendant and Ve (lord of 7th from Ar) in its own sign (7th from Moon). Does this mean that I will see Neechbhanga results in Venus and Sun Dasa and Saturn will be Neecha for all the other dasas. -------------------------------- Natal Chart September 18, 1970 Time: 17:45:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Longitude: 88 E 22' 00" Latitude: 22 N 32' 00" Rasi +--------------+ | \ SatR / \ / | | \ Moo / \ Rah / | | \ / \ / | | \ / GL \ / | | \ / \ / | |AL x Asc x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Glk \ 12 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Mnd x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / HL \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Sun x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Mar \ / Jup \ | | / MerR Ket \ / Ven \ | +--------------+ Navamsa +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Moo \ / | | \ / \ / | |MerR x Asc x AL Ket | | / \ / \ | | / \ Mar / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 5 / \ | | / \ / \ | | x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |SatR Rah x Ven x Mnd HL | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Sun \ / GL \ | | / Jup Glk \ / \ | +--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Ven Ven 1970-04-05 Sun 1973-06-29 Moo 1974-06-19 Mar 1976-01-30 Rah 1977-03-19 Jup 1980-02-15 Sat 1982-09-17 Mer 1985-10-13 Ket 1988-07-13 Sun Sun 1989-08-30 Moo 1989-12-15 Mar 1990-06-10 Rah 1990-10-12 Jup 1991-08-27 Sat 1992-06-05 Mer 1993-05-08 Ket 1994-03-05 Ven 1994-07-07 Moo Moo 1995-06-27 Mar 1996-04-17 Rah 1996-11-10 Jup 1998-04-25 Sat 1999-08-11 Mer 2001-02-22 Ket 2002-07-09 Ven 2003-01-31 Sun 2004-09-13 Mar Mar 2005-03-09 Rah 2005-08-01 Jup 2006-08-08 Sat 2007-07-05 Mer 2008-08-01 Ket 2009-07-18 Ven 2009-12-10 Sun 2011-01-27 Moo 2011-05-31 Rah Rah 2011-12-24 Jup 2014-08-07 Sat 2016-12-04 Mer 2019-09-10 Ket 2022-03-02 Ven 2023-03-09 Sun 2026-02-04 Moo 2026-12-20 Mar 2028-06-03 Jup Jup 2029-06-10 Sat 2031-07-06 Mer 2033-12-20 Ket 2036-03-02 Ven 2037-01-27 Sun 2039-08-30 Moo 2040-06-09 Mar 2041-09-24 Rah 2042-08-21 Sat Sat 2044-12-18 Mer 2047-11-19 Ket 2050-06-30 Ven 2051-07-28 Sun 2054-08-23 Moo 2055-07-26 Mar 2057-02-06 Rah 2058-03-06 Jup 2060-12-10 Mer Mer 2063-05-26 Ket 2065-09-26 Ven 2066-09-12 Sun 2069-06-12 Moo 2070-04-09 Mar 2071-08-24 Rah 2072-08-10 Jup 2075-01-30 Sat 2077-04-13 Ket Ket 2079-11-23 Ven 2080-04-15 Sun 2081-06-03 Moo 2081-10-05 Mar 2082-04-29 Rah 2082-09-21 Jup 2083-09-28 Sat 2084-08-24 Mer 2085-09-21 Sincerely, Supriti sjvc, solai@t... wrote: > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > Namaste Venkat, > > No. stretching the rules are not permitted by Gurudeva. Moreover, > neecha is "one" of the strength factors. So, it is not the only > deciding factor to worry. > > Thanks > Solai Kannan > sjvc, "Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy> > wrote: > > Dear Guru Solai and other list members > > > > > > > In that mail, one of the rules is: > > > > > > "1.2. The lord of the seventh from the debilitated planet in a > > > Kendra from Lagna or Moon.." > > > > Is it valid to extend the above rule like > > > > "... Kendra from Lagna, Moon, Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna"? > > > > Best Regards, Venkat > > > > > > > > > > As per this, Venus get neecha in Virgo, 7th lord from Virgo is > > >Pisces and its lord Jupiter must be in Kendra to Lagna or Moon. > For > > > > her Jupiter and Moon are in lagna. Now because of this Jupiter's > > >placement, Venus gets Neechabanga. Hence, Jupiter is the one who > > >initiates this neechabanga and through its (Jupiter) Karakatwa and > > >through the personalities represented by its Karkatwa, Venus gets > > >strength. As we can understand from this the neecha > > >canceling planet must also be strong to make canceling more > > >effectively. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Solai Kannan > > > > > > > > > J.K.Dasgupta [dga@b...] > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:31 AM > > > sjvc > > > Re: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > > > > Respected Solaiji, > > > > > > Yes, I have seen the mail. The reply states the rules under > which > > a neecha > > > planet is under neechabhanga as given by Guruji Pt. Rath. > > > > > > But my doubt is which planet will come to the rescue of the > neecha > > planet > > > and cause neechabhanga? Is it the depositor or the 7th lord or > the > > lord of > > > the exault sign of the neecha planet or anybody else. And under > > which > > > circustances? I am not clear and may be I have some basic > > misconception > > > about neechabhanga. > > > > > > For example, in the case of Lakhsmiji 7th lord from neecha Ve > is > > carrying > > > out the rescue operation. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dasgupta > > > > > > - > > > Solai Kannan > > > sjvc > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:45 AM > > > RE: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > > > > Namaste Dasgupta, > > > > > > Have you seen the reply sent by Mrs.Lakshmi Ramesh in reply > to > > Mr.Jay > > > Weiss? The second mail in this thread. > > > Wherein, she has copied Gurudeva's earlier mail regarding > > Neechabanga. > > > Please check it. > > > > > > So, the planet which gives neechabanga will come into rescue > or > > > strengthens the Neecha planet. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Solai Kannan > > > > > > J.K.Dasgupta [dga@b...] > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:49 AM > > > sjvc > > > Re: [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > > > > Respected Solaiji, > > > > > > This raises a basic doubt in my mind. In case of > neechabhanga, > > what > > > are the indications in a chart that, > > > > > > 1. Which planet will come to rescue of a neecha yogakaraka > > planet - is > > > it the 7th lord from the neecha planet or the depositor of the > > neecha planet > > > or a strong planet aspecting it? > > > > > > 2. Under what circumstances? > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dasgupta > > > - > > > Solai Kannan > > > sjvc > > > Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:30 AM > > > [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > > > > Namaste Lakshmi, > > > > > > What I remember from Gurudeva's teaching is: > > > > > > The neechabanga giving planet represents the > personalities, > > who come > > > into rescue of the Neecha planet. Say in your case, Jupiter being > > the > > > neechabanga giving planet, it can be your Husband or your Guru > > (Teacher) or > > > your Senior in workplace, who come into rescue of Venus' neecha in > > > Karmasthana. So, as you mentioned, the neechabanga is supported > > through > > > various karakatwa of the Neechabanga giving planet. Naturally, > the > > effect > > > will be more pronounced during its period. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Solai Kannan > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > > > Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:25 AM > > > sjvc > > > [sjvc] Neechabhanga > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > ---------------- > > > > > > Shri Sanjay and Solai, > > > > > > Namaste. Regarding Neechabhanga, I read in Dr. Raman's > > > "Catechism on Astrology" that the benefits of > > > Neechabhanga will accrue mostly during the > > > dasa/antardasa of the planet(s) who'd caused the > > > neechabhanga, since it is quite possible that > > > neechabhanga is caused in more than one way and by > > > more than one planet. > > > > > > It is also mentioned that where neechabhanga is > > > strong, it is almost equal to exaltation. The > > > situation of the neecha planet, the strength of the > > > planet(s) causing neechabhanga etc. would determine > > > the extent of neechabhanga. > > > > > > Guruji, are the results of neechabhanga solely derived > > > from the naisargika / functional significations of the > > > "neecha" planet ? > > > > > > OR > > > > > > vary/(get modified) according to the naisargika / > > > functional significations of the planet that caused > > > the neechabhanga? > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > 1) In my chart Venus is debilitated in the 10th > > > house(virgo), but neechabhanga is caused by > > > Jupiter(7th lord from Venus), who's situated in > > > lagna/chandra lagna, being the lagna lord. So, the > > > results, according to B.V. Raman would fructify more > > > in Guru Mahadasa/Antardasa than in Sukra Mahadasa. > > > Here, I also strongly feel that Venus's > > > significations would be heavily influenced by those of > > > Guru. > > > > > > 2) Now, suppose the Neechabhanga were to be caused by > > > Mercury (dispositor of Venus), I feel that the results > > > would be more influenced by the significations of > > > Mercury, and that there would be a marked difference > > > between the results output in (1) and (2) cases. > > > > > > So, with all parameters of the "neecha" planet > > > remaining constant, does the "hue" of neechabhanga > > > change in consonance with different planets (variable) > > > causing it? Shri Raman did not comment about this. > > > > > > Waiting for your guidance. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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