Lesson 2 - Creation

[Guest guest]

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Namaste Jyotisha,

I thank and appreciate who are all responded for lesson 1. I am disappointed

that many of us are silent. These lessons are simple and easy to understand. If

you find difficult in understanding please send us your queries, instead of

being silent.

Two more additional supplementary lessons on astronomy are forthcoming.

Meanwhile, herewith attached is the CREATION lesson, which was presented in

Varahamihira list. As per Gurudeva Pt.Sanjay Rath's advise, we are sending this

lesson to SJVC. Those who have already attempted the lesson in Varahamihira can

attempt again or can leave it. But, these questions can be answered at any

time. In fact these questions are meant to review our spiritual advancement. I

think every year we have to answer for these questions and see the improvement

in our answers.

This is a very very simple and basic lesson, I want all of the quite members to

respond to this lesson.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

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Questions:

1. Lord Narayana in my life: I will let this remain personal.

2. Closer to HIM- daily practice within and without. " withdraw, then withdraw from the withdrawal"

3. What is more relevant ? "God is"

4. Jyotish different from a priest? if we are of the thought that the Jyotish is

to assist one on the path of Dharma

and to help an individual develop , then there is very little difference

other than residence and clothing being worn.

Yet the Sasthrigal that performs yajna and puja is blessed to assist the

native to move closer to Him. One established in Bhakti-rupapanna-jnana

performing yajna for the good of the individual and the family of man

brings great benefits. Would it not be most satvic to be both the Jyotisha

and the Sasthrigal ? Is it not the goal of the Jyotish and the priest to

eliminate Avidya-dosa and to bring Atmanubhava?

5. Done.

Solai Kannan [solai (AT) theihb (DOT) com] Sent:

Saturday, November 17, 2001 4:18 AMsjvcSubject: [sjvc]

Lesson 2 - Creation

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Namaste Jyotisha,

I thank and appreciate who are all responded for lesson 1. I am disappointed

that many of us are silent. These lessons are simple and easy to understand. If

you find difficult in understanding please send us your queries, instead of

being silent.

Two more additional supplementary lessons on astronomy are forthcoming.

Meanwhile, herewith attached is the CREATION lesson, which was presented in

Varahamihira list. As per Gurudeva Pt.Sanjay Rath's advise, we are sending this

lesson to SJVC. Those who have already attempted the lesson in Varahamihira can

attempt again or can leave it. But, these questions can be answered at any

time. In fact these questions are meant to review our spiritual advancement. I

think every year we have to answer for these questions and see the improvement

in our answers.

This is a very very simple and basic lesson, I want all of the quite members to

respond to this lesson.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

[Guest guest]

Dear Solai ji,

 

Namaste,

 

I had recently submitted my response to Lesson 1 (of V-Mihira list) assignment -

same as this Lesson 2 of SJVC.

 

I repeat the same - with some minor improvements (I hope)

 

With best regards.Shailesh

Question. Try to define the role of God in your life ?Answer: To me, God is the

source, the cause and the goal of life.

I sincerely believe the lessons tought to me as a child brought-up a

'practicing' Arya Samaji family that the God is Sat-Chita-Anand-swaroop, all

powerful and all-pervasive, just and pure.

In my belief, God is 'facilitator' - he has given me an opportunity to do good

by giving me this body, gave me birth in an enlightened family, benevolent

parents, great education and career, a loving and supportive wife and children

to be proud of.

God provided me with support and resources whenever and whatever I needed -

maybe after some suffering, some struggle, some frustration - but whatever I

needed always came through in one form or the other.

And when I became interested in acquiring deeper knowledge of Jyotish, I got admitted to this list.

To that God, I owe everything and my goal of the life is to get closer to him to

attain the ulimate 'VILAY' in to Him.

Question: What have you done in the past year to come closer to God ?Answer: I

am trying to become a better person - as a human being I have my failings and

shortcomongs. I am trying to identify them and overcome them.

In order to do that, I have to 'know' myself - Jyotish knowledge will give me that insight.

I am trying to live-up to these words of Yajurveda ( Sanajy ji corrected me and

pointed out that originally this is a richa from Rig Veda)- 'Om vishvaani deva,

savitur-duritaani paraasuva yata bhadram tanna aa suva' and 'Agne naya supathaa

raaye asmaana.....'

Question: Which is more relevant a) God is All or b) All is God ?

Answer: To me, there is no difference in the two statements - all beings are

'Atma' and God is 'Paramaatma'. There is a part of the God in All, therefore

All is God.

Quesiton: How is jyotish different from a priest ?

Answer: If I may put it crudely, a jyotish would be a doctor (at a spiritual

level) whereas a priest would be a chemist, and also a teacher.

When a native goes to jyotish, he expects jyotish has to diagnose and identify

the problem and suggest appropriate remedies/ solution to him.

On the other hand, the priest would help the subject to perform the specific

remedial pujas/ rituals prescribed by the jyotish. The priest would also help

in performing puja, rituals etc., and also to provides general guidance

connected with other occassions/ ceremonies etc. in the normal course of

day-to-day life.

-

Solai Kannan

sjvc

Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:47 PM

[sjvc] Lesson 2 - Creation

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Namaste Jyotisha,

I thank and appreciate who are all responded for lesson 1. I am disappointed

that many of us are silent. These lessons are simple and easy to understand. If

you find difficult in understanding please send us your queries, instead of

being silent.

Two more additional supplementary lessons on astronomy are forthcoming.

Meanwhile, herewith attached is the CREATION lesson, which was presented in

Varahamihira list. As per Gurudeva Pt.Sanjay Rath's advise, we are sending this

lesson to SJVC. Those who have already attempted the lesson in Varahamihira can

attempt again or can leave it. But, these questions can be answered at any

time. In fact these questions are meant to review our spiritual advancement. I

think every year we have to answer for these questions and see the improvement

in our answers.

This is a very very simple and basic lesson, I want all of the quite members to

respond to this lesson.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

[Guest guest]

OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH

Dear Frank,

 

You cannot play God, although we all would like to do so. The best of

Jyotisha cannot be the best Purohita because when a Purohita/ preist makes a

Samkalpa for the pooja for someone else, he has to put his heart and soul

into the Karma Kanda and for this, the awareness of the strength of the

problem is a deterrant. This is a real life situation. The purohita should

have the basic rudimentary knowledge of Jyotisha but cannot dedicate himself

to the ocean of this knowledge as then his spiritual and daily pooja will

suffer. God alone can do the varied Karma perfectly. This is true as society

evolves that the differentiation of work leads to better perfection. Of

course it would be beneficial to be the Jyotish, and the Poojari as well as

the Ayurvedic doctor as well as the Diksha Guru as well as the Yantra

sadhaka as well as so many other things. This cannot be denied, but the

level of expertise will dwindle with the varying focus.

 

Answer to 3 - Thats an escapist answer. I had expected a detailed analysis

on this from you given your high level of knowledge.

Best Regards

Sanjay Rath

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

-

"Frank in Austin" <fschmidt

<sjvc>

Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:24 PM

RE: [sjvc] Lesson 2 - Creation

 

 

Questions:

1. Lord Narayana in my life: I will let this remain personal.

2. Closer to HIM- daily practice within and without. " withdraw, then

withdraw from the withdrawal"

3. What is more relevant ? "God is"

4. Jyotish different from a priest? if we are of the thought that the

Jyotish is to assist one on the path of Dharma

and to help an individual develop , then there is very little

difference other than residence and clothing being worn.

Yet the Sasthrigal that performs yajna and puja is blessed to assist

the native to move closer to Him.

One established in Bhakti-rupapanna-jnana performing yajna for the

good of the individual and the family

of man brings great benefits.

Would it not be most satvic to be both the Jyotisha and the

Sasthrigal ? Is it not the goal of the Jyotish and

the priest to eliminate Avidya-dosa and to bring Atmanubhava?

 

5. Done.

 

Solai Kannan [solai]

Saturday, November 17, 2001 4:18 AM

sjvc

[sjvc] Lesson 2 - Creation

 

 

 

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

 

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Jyotisha,

 

I thank and appreciate who are all responded for lesson 1. I am

disappointed that many of us are silent. These lessons are simple and

easy to understand. If you find difficult in understanding please send

us your queries, instead of being silent.

 

Two more additional supplementary lessons on astronomy are forthcoming.

Meanwhile, herewith attached is the CREATION lesson, which was presented

in Varahamihira list. As per Gurudeva Pt.Sanjay Rath's advise, we are

sending this lesson to SJVC. Those who have already attempted the lesson

in Varahamihira can attempt again or can leave it. But, these questions

can be answered at any time. In fact these questions are meant to review

our spiritual advancement. I think every year we have to answer for

these questions and see the improvement in our answers.

 

This is a very very simple and basic lesson, I want all of the quite

members to respond to this lesson.

 

Thanks

 

Solai Kannan

 

 

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Namaste,

 

Here is my attempt to answer lesson 2.

 

>> 1. Try to define the role of God in your life.

Ans.1. No one will have the words to explain the role of the soul to whom he

love most. It is only he, himself, who can understand it. For me, He is

everything for me. When I was in need of a guru, I requested him, and He gave

me knowledge from Shri Bhagvad Gita in the form Shri Krishna. When I was in

need of Bhakti and wanted to get rid of lust and passion, he gave me His

protection and shield against maya from Shri Ram Charit Manas in the form of

Shri Ram. When I was in need of a friend, He gave me guidance by coming in my

dreams and giving me hints in his own way. Now, how can I share my inner heart

feelings for Him in the form of few words? I can only say He is everything for

me.

>>2 . What have you done in the past one year to come closer to God?

Ans. Firstly, I tried to gather more and more knowledge about Him. Shri Bhagwat

Gita and Shri Ram Charit Manas is the ocean of knowledge. Every new page gave

me more love for Him. While reading them, I tried my best to follow them also

in my life.

 

a) All this gave me power to be always truthful.

 

Now, when I've started reading Shri Bhagwat Gita for the second time, it is

giving me totally different experiences. After reading it for 25-30 minutes, I

feel a state of somekind of attraction for b) meditation...; a state where mind

attains peace and no idea comes in mind. A pleasant smile comes to my face as I

feel I'm in right path.

 

I, myself, is not doing anything to come closer to him. He, himself, is showing

me right path to help me to reach him.

 

>> 3. Which statement is more relevant:

(a) God is all, or(b) All is God

Ans. Both the statements carries equal weightage. God is all - God is present

everywhere. Infact, He has explained this in His Universal form, where past,

present, future, all yugas, every soul, every world is within His body. Yet he

is still present in every soul, in every particle, even the smallest particle

of this universe as all is God.

 

>> 4. How is the role of a Jyotish different from a priest?

 

There are various path that leads to supreme Godhead. Karma, Knowledge, Bhakti,

Yajna, Charity, serving mankind without expecting any results, etc. Any one of

these paths, in its complete form, has the potential to give salvation or final

emancipation. A priest will show the native the path of bhakti (pure devotion to

God) as the guiding principle to get rid of the sins which he has already

committed. But the task of astrologer is different from it. His duty is to

guide the native in such a way as to give him the knowledge about his past sins

and to show him the right path least those seeds become fruits. He should try to

guide him to get rid of illusion (maya) affecting his mind, to show him the path

of pure Karma, help him to attain more of saatwik guna and to supress raajsik

and tamsik gunas.

Ofcourse, all this is possible only when the astrologer, himself, is pure human

being and understands whatever he is suggesting to the native.

 

 

I've just tried to explain my few ideas here. Please correct me wherever I'm wrong.

 

Thanks

 

 

Gopal Krishan DodaKrishanFriend

 

Om Tat Sat

-

Solai Kannan

sjvc

Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:47 PM

[sjvc] Lesson 2 - Creation

[Guest guest]

Om Jai Rama Jai Jai Rama

Dear Sanjay - thank you for your feedback and let me reply in two areas: ( I

leave my ego at the door for both)

Regarding Jyotish and Priest

I think you make some good points, that it is difficult a best to be both

Jyotish and every thing else which dilutes the focus, yet I was hoping to answer

the question honestly and with some insight.

What of the JivanMukta when all the doors of perception are open and

perfect discrimination is at hand? The Enlightened Brahmin who has done

thorough study of Karma Kanda, Upasana Kanda and Gyana Kanda?

Intuition is at its peak and his/her abilities to help a person from Jyotish

to Ayurvedic knowledge is owned by him? This I think is the goal.

I have seen this first hand with Maharishi Meshesh Yogi...because he operates

from Unity, all knowledge is available to him.

Regarding Question 3:

Which statement is more relevant:

(a) God is all, or

(b) All is God

No I did not choose an "escapist answer" that was not my intent and I am sorry

you saw it that way.

I find the question beyond Nyaya. I found the comparison ( upamana) more of a

riddle then a question to ponder.

I think if I posed a question of this nature to stimulate thought I would have

submitted the following:

When Sri Keshava discusses his personality ( Chapt 9.4) with Arjuna Govinda says

" maya tatam idam sarvam

jagad avyaktamurtina

matsthani sarvabhutani

na ca ham tesv avasthiytah"

He tells Arjuna of yogam aisvaram - or the divine mystery...that is " I am in

you , but you are not in me"

Now this gets to the question, " God is all, or all is God" - If all is GOD or

if GOD Is all , then yes, so am I ...yet

Sri Krsna says otherwise….

"na ca matsthani bhutani

pasya me yogam aisvaram

bhutabhrn na ca bhutas ho

mama tma bhutabhavanah"

…and yet beings do not dwell in me; behold My divine mystery. My spirit is the source of all

beings sustains the beings but does not abide in them.

This, I believe is the question to ponder as a sisya or Guru

Your sisya,

Shanti, Shanti Shanti

        Frank in Austin

       , Fschmidt (AT) Austin (DOT) rr.com

 

 

Sanjay Rath [srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com]

Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:39 PM

sjvc

Re: [sjvc] Lesson 2 - Creation

OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH

Dear Frank,

You cannot play God, although we all would like to do so. The best of Jyotisha

cannot be the best Purohita because when a Purohita/ preist makes a Samkalpa

for the pooja for someone else, he has to put his heart and soul into the Karma

Kanda and for this, the awareness of the strength of the problem is a deterrant.

This is a real life situation. The purohita should have the basic rudimentary

knowledge of Jyotisha but cannot dedicate himself to the ocean of this

knowledge as then his spiritual and daily pooja will suffer. God alone can do

the varied Karma perfectly. This is true as society evolves that the

differentiation of work leads to better perfection. Of course it would be

beneficial to be the Jyotish, and the Poojari as well as the Ayurvedic doctor

as well as the Diksha Guru as well as the Yantra sadhaka as well as so many

other things. This cannot be denied, but the level of expertise will dwindle

with the varying focus.

Answer to 3 - Thats an escapist answer. I had expected a detailed analysis on

this from you given your high level of knowledge. Best Regards Sanjay Rath

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

-

"Frank in Austin" <fschmidt (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com>

<sjvc>

Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:24 PM

RE: [sjvc] Lesson 2 - Creation

Questions:

1. Lord Narayana in my life: I will let this remain personal. 2. Closer to HIM-

daily practice within and without. " withdraw, then withdraw from the

withdrawal" 3. What is more relevant ? "God is" 4. Jyotish different from a

priest? if we are of the thought that the Jyotish is to assist one on the path

of Dharma

and to help an individual develop , then there is very little difference

other than residence and clothing being worn.

Yet the Sasthrigal that performs yajna and puja is blessed to assist the

native to move closer to Him.

One established in Bhakti-rupapanna-jnana performing yajna for the good of

the individual and the family

of man brings great benefits.

Would it not be most satvic to be both the Jyotisha and the Sasthrigal ?

Is it not the goal of the Jyotish and

the priest to eliminate Avidya-dosa and to bring Atmanubhava?

5. Done.

 

Solai Kannan [solai (AT) theihb (DOT) com]

Saturday, November 17, 2001 4:18 AM

sjvc

[sjvc] Lesson 2 - Creation

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Namaste Jyotisha,

I thank and appreciate who are all responded for lesson 1. I am disappointed

that many of us are silent. These lessons are simple and easy to understand. If

you find difficult in understanding please send us your queries, instead of

being silent.

Two more additional supplementary lessons on astronomy are forthcoming.

Meanwhile, herewith attached is the CREATION lesson, which was presented in

Varahamihira list. As per Gurudeva Pt.Sanjay Rath's advise, we are sending this

lesson to SJVC. Those who have already attempted the lesson in Varahamihira can

attempt again or can leave it. But, these questions can be answered at any

time. In fact these questions are meant to review our spiritual advancement. I

think every year we have to answer for these questions and see the improvement

in our answers.

This is a very very simple and basic lesson, I want all of the quite members to

respond to this lesson.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

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Shri Sanjay and Solai,

 

Namaste. I already submitted the replies in

Varahamihira once. I repeat the same, save for a minor

"add-on" explanation.

 

Q1. Try to define the role of God in your life.

 

A1): God to me is…

 

The Truth

The Light

The Unsullied Silence

The Gentle Presence

The Caring Look

The Strong Hand

The Unseen Hug

The Warm Smile

The Deep Love

The Rest.

 

Q2. What have you done in the past one year to come

closer to God?

 

Answer: Whenever I made someone happy, someone smile,

someone less afraid, someone stronger, someone less

lonely and someone cared for, I felt closer to God.

 

Q3. Which statement is more relevant?

a. God is all, or

b. All is God.

 

A3): From my point of view,“All is God” is more

relevant.

 

I think that there is a subtle difference in emphasis

between the two statements. While the first statement

could possibly make one turn his/her back on society

and all the associated karma by saying that “God is

all”, the second statement makes one seek society and

actively serve the "Narayana" in "Nara". I personally

prefer the credo “All is God”, because it enables me

to interact more meaningfully with my environment…

with humility, respect and faith.

 

Q4. How is the role of a Jyotisha different from a

priest.

 

A4): Both are basically spiritual counselors, only the

paths differ. A priest makes the individual go

“outwards” in search of God, through Bhakti.

 

A Jyotisha helps an individual turn “inwards” to know

his true self, and realize God through self, through

karma+gyana.

 

Through both methods, over a period of “saadhana” the

relationship between the Atma and Paramatma matures

and becomes more intimate, until “dwaita” disappears

and both become One.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Solai,

 

Here are my answers to the questions of lesson 2:

For me God is life and life is God. Everything is God and God is everything. In

plain text - God is unconditionally integrated in my entity: wherever I am and

with whatever I do regardless of physical or mental state.God is my source of

strength in every single part and action in my life.

My capabilities to learn and understand human psychological nature,

incorporated with my extensive opportunity to use astrology as a tool for free

support to people in need of help have definitely brought me closer to God

during the last year.

The two statements can not be separated in my opinion as ‘God is

all’ and ‘all is God’. There can’t be anything in

between.

The social roll of a priest and Jotisha are similar in general but much

different in some ways, depending on the type of society and culture they lives

in. However, Both fill a very important SUPPORTIVE function with a common

denominator – The usage of the term ‘soul’ and the belief in

the supreme status of God as it’s ‘owner’, our creator and

been the ‘Master’ of all. Despite of using different methods,

both are functioning as counselors to other humans who rely on their

position/status in society as ‘holy people’ who possess special

gifts of knowledge and spirituality which exceed those possessed by the average

individual.

 

Kind regards

 

Jay Weiss

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna!

Pranamas to all! Here are my answers to SJVC Lesson 2:

> 1. Try to define the role of God in your life.

God is the Supreme Being, Supreme owner of everything, cause of all causes. I'm

the infinitesimal part of Him. My eternal duty is to render devotional service

to Him. Looking for answers on these three questions (who am I, who is God, and

what are relationships between us) should become ultimate business of every one

life.

> 2. What have you done in the past one year to come closer to God?

The best way to become closer to God is to associate with His bhaktas, serve

them and inquire sincerely from them about the Absolute Truth.

> 3. Which statement is more relevant:(a) God is all, or (b) All is God

Logically these two statements are equal. That is, from the first statement

second can be derived, and vice versa. And because God is all-pervading, both

statements have common sense.

> 4. How is the role of a Jyotish different from a priest?

Priest is a performer of religious rites, which can give relief from reactions

of past deads. But jyotisha is a brahmana who can explain the reasons of your

present situation.

> 5. Make a list of all Sakskrit terms in this Lesson under different starting

letters and prepare your personal dictionary of Jyotish/Sanskrit terminology.

Atma - soul

Isha - God

Jyoti - Light

Jyotish - light of knowledge

Jyotisha - vedic astrologer

Rajas - mode of passion

Satwa - mode of goodness

Tamas - mode of ignorance

Veda - knowledge

Hare Krishna!

Ignat.

[Guest guest]

Sri Gurubhyo Namah

Hari Om

 

Dear Guruji,

 

Here are my attempts in answering questions associated with lesson #2.

 

1.Try to define God in your life.

Everything to me is god. God is full of mercy, granting me what I

seek, forgiving whatever sins i commit.

God is full of love, nurturing / nurtured me and everyone around

me thus far and I believe will nurture me and everything henceforth.

If i think of god in terms of actions, all the good selfless deeds

that i have been benefited from and have done. All the lessons that

I /everyone learn from what I/ everyone perceive as unpleasant /

pleasant.

 

I am reminded of Arunagirinathar's thripugazh

"Uruvai varuvai uladai iladai

Maruvai malarai maniyai oliyai

Karuvai Uyirai gathyai vithiyai

Guruvai varuvai arulvai guhane"

 

2.What have you done in the past one year to come closer to God?

Attempting to be good, trying not to hate any one, helping others,

trying not expect anything in return for what i do. Loving everyone,

trying to cut down my desire for want of things. All these have been

trials and attempts only. I have not been very successful with them.

 

3.which is more relevant god is all or all is god.

I think they both are relevant. Either ways I understand that god is

everything, and there exists nothing that is not god.

In Gita Lord Krishna [Translation by swami vivekananda] says "I am

the intelligence of the intellects, the prowess of the powerful, but

the three gunas satva rajas, and tamas are part of me, I am not in

them but they abide in me"

 

4.how is the role of a jyotish different from a priest.

A priest (in Hindu religion) seeks god's grace on behalf of some

one

else, by praising god.

A jyotish looks into the person's birth-chart and tells the person,

what all (s)he can do to realize god, get closer to god.

 

 

Seeking your blessings,

Your Sishya,

Karthik

 

 

 

 

sjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@t...> wrote:

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

>

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Jyotisha,

>

> I thank and appreciate who are all responded for lesson 1. I am

disappointed

> that many of us are silent. These lessons are simple and easy to

understand.

> If you find difficult in understanding please send us your queries,

instead

> of being silent.

>

> Two more additional supplementary lessons on astronomy are

forthcoming.

> Meanwhile, herewith attached is the CREATION lesson, which was

presented in

> Varahamihira list. As per Gurudeva Pt.Sanjay Rath's advise, we are

sending

> this lesson to SJVC. Those who have already attempted the lesson in

> Varahamihira can attempt again or can leave it. But, these

questions can be

> answered at any time. In fact these questions are meant to review

our

> spiritual advancement. I think every year we have to answer for

these

> questions and see the improvement in our answers.

>

> This is a very very simple and basic lesson, I want all of the

quite members

> to respond to this lesson.

>

> Thanks

>

> Solai Kannan