Dear Mr Rao: Samasaptaka Ready Reckoner for Key Yogas

November 8, 2001

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Namaste Nandan,

I think Samasapthaka refers to opposite placement of planets in the

7th sign only. The good or bad depends on many other factors.

Regarding Darapada in 3/11 from AL, 3rd and 11th house are the Kama

Trikonas, so the desire or passion is high for both partners as these

are upachaya houses and therefore there is physical harmony between

the partners. But, whereas with the partnership, the level of Kama

(here it refers to material desire) will be high, in that case it

creates a greediness between the partners, which will end up in

disharmony. So, each matter is depend on the nature, karkatwa and

Aadhipathaym of the planets/houses involved. Similarly, with Ketu.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

sjvc, nandan.chakraborty@i... wrote:

>

> Dear Mr N Rao & Solai Guru

>

> Ref your Yogas' Ready Reckoner, What is Samasaptaka?: seems to be

cjn

> (oops!: conjunction) or opposition, from translating it. If so, my

real

> questions are:

>

> Is an opposition relationship good or bad? Or is it a mutual

development

> (mutual co-worker) for either good/ bad (depending on the natural &

> functional significations of the 2 planets)? In many texts, this 1/7

> relationship is mentioned as great in some contexts, & bad in

others.

> Hence, am totally confused.

>

> Lets stretch this to all of the 6 possible mutual placements of 2

planets:

> 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/1. Now lets add the confusion of

temporal

> friends & enemies to this, ie t.friends= 2/3/4/10/11/12, ie the

first 3 of

> the above placements, & t.enemies= the other 3. Which means that

these

> COMPOUND relationships based on these are actually used in many

texts. But

> WHERE are they used, & where not is very confusing. And just look

at the

> above: a mutual kon relationship is BAD. But we are exhorted to see

the

> kons to ANY planet for additional significations, as they are

mutually

> supportive placements, I thought. So where am I confusing various

issues?

>

> So, let me repeat 2 of my earlier questions in the above context:

> 1. Difference between occupying vs aspecting a house/ planet: Ref

pg 428

> CoVA: St occupying/ conjoining a house/ lord= decreases the

longevity of

> the relevant signification of the house/ lord. BUT if St graha-

aspects them

> (I suppose this holds true also for rasi-drishtis), it INCREASES

their

> longevity, as St is the natural significator for longevity. This

opposite

> result between occupying & aspecting a house, is unclear.

> Difference for different significations of the same house when

being N

> houses away from it: DaraPada in 3/11 from AL= physical

compatibility with

> partner, but bad for business prospects (why the difference?) ref

pg 253

> CoVA. Or: Ra/ Ke in 11= RajYoga & sudden gains in wealth

respectively, but

> Ke in 11 also= bad friends. Why does Ke in 11 give good wealth (4/

10 to/

> from 2, 3/ 11 from/ to 9) but bad friends?

>

> Regards

>

> Nandan

November 12, 2001

OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH

Dear Solai,

"Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two

'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other.

The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered

'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA'

relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table.

I will give two illustrations to explain my point. (1)The mutual placement

of Saturn and Mars in the 1st and 7th houses causes Unmada Yoga or madness.

Thus this position cannot be called Sama-saptaka as the planets are not only

natural enemies, but also temporal enemies. What is worse, both are in

Marana Karaka Sthana. (2) The Mutual placement of Jupiter and Mars in the

first and seventh house axis resulted in a powerful Guru-Mangala Yoga for

Bhagavan Sri Rama and He cannot be defeated in battle. This is taught by

Krishna as 'among warriors, I am Rama' - Bhagavat Gita.

Best Regards

Sanjay Rath

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

-

<solai

<sjvc>

Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:45 PM

[sjvc] Dear Mr Rao: Samasaptaka Re: [vedic astrology] Ready

Reckoner for Key Yogas

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Nandan,

>

> I think Samasapthaka refers to opposite placement of planets in the

> 7th sign only. The good or bad depends on many other factors.

>

> Regarding Darapada in 3/11 from AL, 3rd and 11th house are the Kama

> Trikonas, so the desire or passion is high for both partners as these

> are upachaya houses and therefore there is physical harmony between

> the partners. But, whereas with the partnership, the level of Kama

> (here it refers to material desire) will be high, in that case it

> creates a greediness between the partners, which will end up in

> disharmony. So, each matter is depend on the nature, karkatwa and

> Aadhipathaym of the planets/houses involved. Similarly, with Ketu.

>

> Thanks

> Solai Kannan

>

> sjvc, nandan.chakraborty@i... wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr N Rao & Solai Guru

> >

> > Ref your Yogas' Ready Reckoner, What is Samasaptaka?: seems to be

> cjn

> > (oops!: conjunction) or opposition, from translating it. If so, my

> real

> > questions are:

> >

> > Is an opposition relationship good or bad? Or is it a mutual

> development

> > (mutual co-worker) for either good/ bad (depending on the natural &

> > functional significations of the 2 planets)? In many texts, this 1/7

> > relationship is mentioned as great in some contexts, & bad in

> others.

> > Hence, am totally confused.

> >

> > Lets stretch this to all of the 6 possible mutual placements of 2

> planets:

> > 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/1. Now lets add the confusion of

> temporal

> > friends & enemies to this, ie t.friends= 2/3/4/10/11/12, ie the

> first 3 of

> > the above placements, & t.enemies= the other 3. Which means that

> these

> > COMPOUND relationships based on these are actually used in many

> texts. But

> > WHERE are they used, & where not is very confusing. And just look

> at the

> > above: a mutual kon relationship is BAD. But we are exhorted to see

> the

> > kons to ANY planet for additional significations, as they are

> mutually

> > supportive placements, I thought. So where am I confusing various

> issues?

> >

> > So, let me repeat 2 of my earlier questions in the above context:

> > 1. Difference between occupying vs aspecting a house/ planet: Ref

> pg 428

> > CoVA: St occupying/ conjoining a house/ lord= decreases the

> longevity of

> > the relevant signification of the house/ lord. BUT if St graha-

> aspects them

> > (I suppose this holds true also for rasi-drishtis), it INCREASES

> their

> > longevity, as St is the natural significator for longevity. This

> opposite

> > result between occupying & aspecting a house, is unclear.

> > Difference for different significations of the same house when

> being N

> > houses away from it: DaraPada in 3/11 from AL= physical

> compatibility with

> > partner, but bad for business prospects (why the difference?) ref

> pg 253

> > CoVA. Or: Ra/ Ke in 11= RajYoga & sudden gains in wealth

> respectively, but

> > Ke in 11 also= bad friends. Why does Ke in 11 give good wealth (4/

> 10 to/

> > from 2, 3/ 11 from/ to 9) but bad friends?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Nandan

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

November 12, 2001

Respected Sanjayji,

Pranam. If Jup and Mars are not in 1st & 7th house axis but in some other

house in 1-7 axis, say 6-12 or 2-8 axis or both are in same house then what

happens? Will the Guru Mangala yoga will operate? And what will be the

nature of the yoga?

In my rectified chart, Mangala is in 5th aspected by Guru from 9th (badhaka

sthana for Aqu asc.). Does this form any yoga? As instructed by you I once

posted my chart in "Vedic Astrology" group with my analysis of

rectification, for your review.

Please clear my doubts.

Regards,

J.K. Dasgupta

-

Sanjay Rath <srath

<sjvc>

Monday, November 12, 2001 3:55 PM

Re: [sjvc] Dear Mr Rao: Samasaptaka Re: [vedic astrology] Ready

Reckoner for Key Yogas

>

> OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH

> Dear Solai,

> "Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two

> 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other.

> The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered

> 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA'

> relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table.

> I will give two illustrations to explain my point. (1)The mutual placement

> of Saturn and Mars in the 1st and 7th houses causes Unmada Yoga or

madness.

> Thus this position cannot be called Sama-saptaka as the planets are not

only

> natural enemies, but also temporal enemies. What is worse, both are in

> Marana Karaka Sthana. (2) The Mutual placement of Jupiter and Mars in the

> first and seventh house axis resulted in a powerful Guru-Mangala Yoga for

> Bhagavan Sri Rama and He cannot be defeated in battle. This is taught by

> Krishna as 'among warriors, I am Rama' - Bhagavat Gita.

> Best Regards

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> -

> <solai

> <sjvc>

> Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:45 PM

> [sjvc] Dear Mr Rao: Samasaptaka Re: [vedic astrology] Ready

> Reckoner for Key Yogas

>

> > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> > JAYA JAGANNATHA

> >

> > Namaste Nandan,

> >

> > I think Samasapthaka refers to opposite placement of planets in the

> > 7th sign only. The good or bad depends on many other factors.

> >

> > Regarding Darapada in 3/11 from AL, 3rd and 11th house are the Kama

> > Trikonas, so the desire or passion is high for both partners as these

> > are upachaya houses and therefore there is physical harmony between

> > the partners. But, whereas with the partnership, the level of Kama

> > (here it refers to material desire) will be high, in that case it

> > creates a greediness between the partners, which will end up in

> > disharmony. So, each matter is depend on the nature, karkatwa and

> > Aadhipathaym of the planets/houses involved. Similarly, with Ketu.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Solai Kannan

> >

> > sjvc, nandan.chakraborty@i... wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr N Rao & Solai Guru

> > >

> > > Ref your Yogas' Ready Reckoner, What is Samasaptaka?: seems to be

> > cjn

> > > (oops!: conjunction) or opposition, from translating it. If so, my

> > real

> > > questions are:

> > >

> > > Is an opposition relationship good or bad? Or is it a mutual

> > development

> > > (mutual co-worker) for either good/ bad (depending on the natural &

> > > functional significations of the 2 planets)? In many texts, this 1/7

> > > relationship is mentioned as great in some contexts, & bad in

> > others.

> > > Hence, am totally confused.

> > >

> > > Lets stretch this to all of the 6 possible mutual placements of 2

> > planets:

> > > 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/1. Now lets add the confusion of

> > temporal

> > > friends & enemies to this, ie t.friends= 2/3/4/10/11/12, ie the

> > first 3 of

> > > the above placements, & t.enemies= the other 3. Which means that

> > these

> > > COMPOUND relationships based on these are actually used in many

> > texts. But

> > > WHERE are they used, & where not is very confusing. And just look

> > at the

> > > above: a mutual kon relationship is BAD. But we are exhorted to see

> > the

> > > kons to ANY planet for additional significations, as they are

> > mutually

> > > supportive placements, I thought. So where am I confusing various

> > issues?

> > >

> > > So, let me repeat 2 of my earlier questions in the above context:

> > > 1. Difference between occupying vs aspecting a house/ planet: Ref

> > pg 428

> > > CoVA: St occupying/ conjoining a house/ lord= decreases the

> > longevity of

> > > the relevant signification of the house/ lord. BUT if St graha-

> > aspects them

> > > (I suppose this holds true also for rasi-drishtis), it INCREASES

> > their

> > > longevity, as St is the natural significator for longevity. This

> > opposite

> > > result between occupying & aspecting a house, is unclear.

> > > Difference for different significations of the same house when

> > being N

> > > houses away from it: DaraPada in 3/11 from AL= physical

> > compatibility with

> > > partner, but bad for business prospects (why the difference?) ref

> > pg 253

> > > CoVA. Or: Ra/ Ke in 11= RajYoga & sudden gains in wealth

> > respectively, but

> > > Ke in 11 also= bad friends. Why does Ke in 11 give good wealth (4/

> > 10 to/

> > > from 2, 3/ 11 from/ to 9) but bad friends?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Nandan

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

November 12, 2001

-

"Sanjay Rath" <srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com>

<sjvc>

Monday, November 12, 2001 3:55 PM

Re: [sjvc] Dear Mr Rao: Samasaptaka Re: [vedic astrology] Ready Reckoner for Key Yogas

> > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH> Dear Solai,> "Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and

refers to the placement of two> 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual

one-seventh houses from each other.> The placement of two diremalefics in such

places is not considered> 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must

have at least 'SAMA'> relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of

relationship) table.> I will give two illustrations to explain my point. (1)The

mutual placement> of Saturn and Mars in the 1st and 7th houses causes Unmada

Yoga or madness.> Thus this position cannot be called Sama-saptaka as the

planets are not only> natural enemies, but also temporal enemies. What is

worse, both are in> Marana Karaka Sthana. (2) The Mutual placement of Jupiter

and Mars in the> first and seventh house axis resulted in a powerful

Guru-Mangala Yoga for> Bhagavan Sri Rama and He cannot be defeated in battle.

This is taught by> Krishna as 'among warriors, I am Rama' - Bhagavat Gita.>

Best Regards> Sanjay Rath> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> ----- Original Message

-----> <solai (AT) theihb (DOT) com>> <sjvc>> Thursday,

November 08, 2001 9:45 PM> [sjvc] Dear Mr Rao: Samasaptaka Re:

[vedic astrology] Ready> Reckoner for Key Yogas> > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA

NAMAH> > JAYA JAGANNATHA> >> > Namaste Nandan,> >> > I think Samasapthaka

refers to opposite placement of planets in the> > 7th sign only. The good or

bad depends on many other factors.> >> > Regarding Darapada in 3/11 from AL,

3rd and 11th house are the Kama> > Trikonas, so the desire or passion is high

for both partners as these> > are upachaya houses and therefore there is

physical harmony between> > the partners. But, whereas with the partnership,

the level of Kama> > (here it refers to material desire) will be high, in that

case it> > creates a greediness between the partners, which will end up in> >

disharmony. So, each matter is depend on the nature, karkatwa and> >

Aadhipathaym of the planets/houses involved. Similarly, with Ketu.> >> >

Thanks> > Solai Kannan> >> >> > sjvc, nandan.chakraborty@i...

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr N Rao & Solai Guru> > >> > > Ref your Yogas' Ready

Reckoner, What is Samasaptaka?: seems to be> > cjn> > > (oops!: conjunction) or

opposition, from translating it. If so, my> > real> > > questions are:> > >> > >

Is an opposition relationship good or bad? Or is it a mutual> > development> > >

(mutual co-worker) for either good/ bad (depending on the natural &> > >

functional significations of the 2 planets)? In many texts, this 1/7> > >

relationship is mentioned as great in some contexts, & bad in> > others.> > >

Hence, am totally confused.> > >> > > Lets stretch this to all of the 6

possible mutual placements of 2> > planets:> > > 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8,

7/1. Now lets add the confusion of> > temporal> > > friends & enemies to this,

ie t.friends= 2/3/4/10/11/12, ie the> > first 3 of> > > the above placements, &

t.enemies= the other 3. Which means that> > these> > > COMPOUND relationships

based on these are actually used in many> > texts. But> > > WHERE are they

used, & where not is very confusing. And just look> > at the> > > above: a

mutual kon relationship is BAD. But we are exhorted to see> > the> > > kons to

ANY planet for additional significations, as they are> > mutually> > >

supportive placements, I thought. So where am I confusing various> > issues?> >

>> > > So, let me repeat 2 of my earlier questions in the above context:> > > 1.

Difference between occupying vs aspecting a house/ planet: Ref> > pg 428> > >

CoVA: St occupying/ conjoining a house/ lord= decreases the> > longevity of> >

> the relevant signification of the house/ lord. BUT if St graha-> > aspects

them> > > (I suppose this holds true also for rasi-drishtis), it INCREASES> >

their> > > longevity, as St is the natural significator for longevity. This> >

opposite> > > result between occupying & aspecting a house, is unclear.> > >

Difference for different significations of the same house when> > being N> > >

houses away from it: DaraPada in 3/11 from AL= physical> > compatibility with>

> > partner, but bad for business prospects (why the difference?) ref> > pg

253> > > CoVA. Or: Ra/ Ke in 11= RajYoga & sudden gains in wealth> >

respectively, but> > > Ke in 11 also= bad friends. Why does Ke in 11 give good

wealth (4/> > 10 to/> > > from 2, 3/ 11 from/ to 9) but bad friends?> > >> > >

Regards> > >> > > Nandan> >> >> >> >> > Your use of is subject to

> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------

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November 12, 2001

Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Gurudev!

Thanks for clarifying. In most astrological books, I saw this relationship as

placement of any planet in the 7th from other. Infact your interpretation makes

more sense. I happy to note that in my horoscope, I have Jupiter in 7th from

Mer+Mar+Sun, however, from Jupiter I don't expect very good results as he is in

the Marana karaka sthana being the lagna lord and also retrograde.

Pranaam

Sarajit