Pancha tattwas and pancha maha purusha yogas?

[Guest guest]

Om Hayagreevam Upaasmahe

Namaste learned friends,

Sanjay hinted many times at pancha tattwas during

the exchange on pancha (five) mahapurusha yogas. However, I did not see

anybody present any thoughts on it. I will make a couple of points to provoke

you into thinking, as the hints Sanjay gave are very thoughtful and too

important to ignore.

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What is the significance of the order in which Parasara described pancha

mahapurusha yogas? He described them in the followinf order - Ruchaka

(Mars), Bhadra (Mercury), Hamsa

(Jupiter), Malavya (Venus) and

Sasa

(Saturn).

Why are there only 5 kinds of mahapurushas? Why not 6 or 7 (with luminaries

also considered)?

Does it have anything to do with pancha bhootas, the five basic elements

of nature?

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Parasara said earlier in BPHS:

agni bhoomi nabhas toya

vaayavah kramato dwija |

bhaumaadeenaam grahaanaam cha

tattwaaneeti yathaa kramam ||

3-20

Meaning: The five tattwas (basic

elements of nature) - fire, earth, ether, water and air - belong respectively

to Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn.

Interestingly, pancha maha purusha yogas are described exactly in the

same order!

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Does this mean that the five kinds of mahapurushas (great persons) described

by Parasara are the five kinds of people with predominantly these 5 tattwas?

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In that case, can a person with lagna, Sun and

Moon in Cancer and Mars in Capricorn

be called a great person of the element "fire"?

Though he has exalted Mars in a kendra and the yoga is technically present,

he is a person with predominant

"water"

tattwa.

If Ruchaka yoga implies a great person with agni tattwa, can Ruchaka yoga

be fully operative for this native of "water" tattwa??

Perhaps not....

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These random thoughts are just meant to provoke you into thinking. Think

and do research with your chart database!

Let me know what you think!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Namaste Narasimha,

 

> Sanjay hinted many times at pancha tattwas during the exchange

> on pancha (five) mahapurusha yogas. However, I did not see

> anybody present any thoughts on it. I will make a couple of

> points to provoke you into thinking, as the hints Sanjay gave

> are very thoughtful and too important to ignore.

 

Since I've learnt about Mahapurusha yogas, I connected them

with 5mahabhutas. Actually, description given by

anciencts of predominance of certain mahabhutas was in a way

similar to description of mahapurusha yoga effects.

 

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> In that case, can a person with lagna, Sun and Moon in Cancer

> and Mars in Capricorn be called a great person of the element

> "fire"? Though he has exalted Mars in a kendra and the yoga is

> technically present, he is a person with predominant "water"

> tattwa. If Ruchaka yoga implies a great person with agni

> tattwa, can Ruchaka yoga be fully operative for this native of

> "water" tattwa??

 

Sounds interesting... I'veremebered the chart of Shri Maharishi

Mahesh Yogi at once. His sun and moon are in fiery rashis.

Dhanus and simha respectivelly. Ruchaka Yog on lagna(capricorn)

created Mahapurusha indeed.Further more it is formed

from paka lagna as well, as arudha lagna. However, the problem

imposed is how to exactly determine the predominant

elements.In the chart of Shri Maharishi, apart from sun and

moon, jupiter,venus,and rahu are in fiery rashis. So without a

 

doubt he is of agni tattwa personality with mars representing

the agni tatwa forming mahapurusha yoga. In many occasions

sun, lagna and moon will be found in different rashis, and there

will be equlibrium or mixture of tattwas. Can we conlude than,

that eventual mahapurusha yoga would then be operative only in

cases where one tatwa dominates with corresponidng

mahapurusha yoga? Well in my own chart, venus is exalted with

predominance of watery elements.Most of the planets

are in watery signs(If you donot have my chart, I shall attach

it at request) There is the condition fulfilled. Venus

representing

Jala forms malavya mahapurusha from lagna,paka lagna, sitting on

arudha lagna, and repeteing itself in several vargas. It is

afflicted with saturn and rahu, but it is aspected by its

dispositor jupiter. Rahu and saturn are venus's friends which

mitigates

their bad effects to an extent. Venus is superiorly strong in

shadbal. So I think, venus fulfils the condition of real

mahapurusha>

Could you predict that oncoming venus mahadasha(starting at my

age of 42) will give effects of mahapurusha?

This suggestion of yours sounds very interesting and

intriguing. I still hold the view that Sun and Moon must be

strong

for triggering and maintaining the Yoga. There is a stanza in a

classical texts(I cannot think of which at the moment) that

deep debilitation of sun/moon or their debilitation navamsas

tend to destroy all auspicious yogas in the chart. In my chart

sun is somewhat weaker in shadbal, and in netural sign. Moon is

strong. If this mahapurusha fails to give its results, it will

be due to sun's inability to trigger it. Or there is another

possibility worth consideratin. Sun is ruler odf 9.house dharma

and moon is in 8.house(14.tithi of Shukla paksha)in own sign.

Sun is exalted in wimshamsha in conjunction with jupiter.

Moon is well placed in vimsamsa too. Is it possible than that

rulership and position of sun and moon in rashi, and their

well placement in vimshamsha REDIRECT the effects of mahapurusha

yogas in spiritual effects? I am just posing another

important question. Since the moon and sun(the king and the queen

in planetary cabinet) hold control over the yogas and

their manifestation, is it than possible that their rulership,

position in rashi and their strenght in Divisional charts, reveal

 

whether any favourable yoga will manifest in spiritual, material,

family or other front? To make it clear, if there is

favourable yoga in the chart promising wealth,and sun and moon,

are connected to 5.house, and attain strong positions

in saptamsa, can we conclude than that this yoga will reveal

itself through children of the native? Do you see my point?

Well it's just random thinking....

Anyway, thank you for this positng, I shall surely have this in

mind and browse through my database.

Om Namah Narayana!

Zoran

 

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> These random thoughts are just meant to provoke you into

> thinking. Think and do research with your chart database!

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> Let me know what you think!

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> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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