Guest guest Posted September 9, 1999 Report Share Posted September 9, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Narasimha, Robet and Narayana, "Sanau Che Tyeke" is difficult to interpret. My understanding is that if the influence of Saturn dominates the decision on the order, then it shall be regular or Zodiacal. This can happen if either saturn is placed in the Arambha rasi or in the Dasa rasi. These are both important as one is akin to Paka Lagna and the other akin to Lagna. Similarly for Ketu the revere applies. Thus in the case of Sarada Ma, the presence of Sani in the Paka of the dasa rasi or the Arambha Rasi shall dominate the decision of regular reckoning of antardasa. When both Saturn and Ketu influence, the situation is even more difficult to judge. If both are together in a sign, then the one with a higher longitude shall dominate. If they are in separate signs like one in dasa Rasi and the other in Arambha rasi, thentheir strenghts are to be judged as per the strengths of signs. In this manner the movement of the antardasa are to be determined. Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Narasimha Rao <pvr <vedic astrology > Sunday, September 05, 1999 4:38 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Narayana dasa rules and contradictions > Dear Robert, > > Namaste! > > Sanjay should be able to answer that better. > > I taught you exactly how I understood it from what Sanjay personally taught me. > > If Saturn/Ketu is in the stronger sign of 1st/7th from dasa sign (and not the > sign containing the lord of this stronger sign), then the exceptions apply. > Otherwise antardasas in Cp dasa will always be forward. > > In the above example on p.393, antardasas in Cp dasa should, as far as I > know/understand, proceed in the backward order from Ta and not in the forward > order as given in the book. > > However, this makes no difference as the antardasa of focus is Sc, the 7th from > Ta! Whether you go forward or backward, you get the same sign as the 7th. > > Either there was an oversight by Sanjay or I understood the rules incorrectly. > Hopefully Sanjay will correctly instruct us on these exceptions. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Namaste Narasimha, Narayan Iyer, and others experts on Narayan dasa, > > > > There is an example of Narayana dasa that is given by Sanjay in COA (Crux > > of Astrology), that contradicts one of the basic rules of calculation that > > we discussed last May. Please refer to page 393 of that book, where Sanjay > > is discussing the chart of Srimata Sarada, wife of Sri Ramakrishna > > Paramahamsa. In the last paragraph of that page, he states as follows: > > > > " TIMING MARRIAGE: The 7th house Capricorn is stronger than the ascendant. > > Hence, it shall initiate the Narayana dasas. The antaradasa (1st one) > > shall begin from Taurus occupied by Saturn, lord of Capricorn and shall be > > direct (due to Saturn). " ["Direct" here refers to forward sequential > > motion]. > > > > So this is exactly as we were instructed. In order for Saturn or Ketu to > > alter the sequence of antaradasas, they must be in the stronger of the 1st > > or 7th of the major period sign, *NOT* in the antardasa sign itself. In the > > above example of Sarada Mata's marriage dasa, Saturn should not alter the > > sequence of sub-periods, because he is not in the stronger of 1st and 7th. > > He is instead in the beginning antaradasa sign (Taurus). > > > > Why does Sanjay thus say that the AD's should go in direct order? Any > > responses from he learned list members would be appreciated. > > > ------ > MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > http://clickhere./click/805 > > > eGroups.com home: vedic astrology > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 1999 Report Share Posted September 9, 1999 Namamste Sanjay ji, Thanks for the clarification and the open-mindedness in admitting the difficulty. I shall certainly experiment with it. We all learn so much from you. Thanks Once again for the Guiding light, At your feet, narayan navagrah- wrote: original article:sjvc/?start=495 > JAYA JAGANNATH > Dear Narasimha, Robet and Narayana, > "Sanau Che Tyeke" is difficult to interpret. My understanding is that if > the influence of Saturn dominates the decision on the order, then it shall > be regular or Zodiacal. This can happen if either saturn is placed in the > Arambha rasi or in the Dasa rasi. These are both important as one is akin to > Paka Lagna and the other akin to Lagna. > Similarly for Ketu the revere applies. Thus in the case of Sarada Ma, > the presence of Sani in the Paka of the dasa rasi or the Arambha Rasi shall > dominate the decision of regular reckoning of antardasa. > When both Saturn and Ketu influence, the situation is even more > difficult to judge. If both are together in a sign, then the one with a > higher longitude shall dominate. If they are in separate signs like one in > dasa Rasi and the other in Arambha rasi, thentheir strenghts are to be > judged as per the strengths of signs. > In this manner the movement of the antardasa are to be determined. > Best Wishes, > Sanjay Rath > - > Narasimha Rao <pvr > <vedic astrology > > Sunday, September 05, 1999 4:38 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Narayana dasa rules and contradictions > > > > Dear Robert, > > > > Namaste! > > > > Sanjay should be able to answer that better. > > > > I taught you exactly how I understood it from what Sanjay personally > taught me. > > > > If Saturn/Ketu is in the stronger sign of 1st/7th from dasa sign (and not > the > > sign containing the lord of this stronger sign), then the exceptions > apply. > > Otherwise antardasas in Cp dasa will always be forward. > > > > In the above example on p.393, antardasas in Cp dasa should, as far as I > > know/understand, proceed in the backward order from Ta and not in the > forward > > order as given in the book. > > > > However, this makes no difference as the antardasa of focus is Sc, the 7th > from > > Ta! Whether you go forward or backward, you get the same sign as the 7th. > > > > Either there was an oversight by Sanjay or I understood the rules > incorrectly. > > Hopefully Sanjay will correctly instruct us on these exceptions. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, Narayan Iyer, and others experts on Narayan dasa, > > > > > > There is an example of Narayana dasa that is given by Sanjay in COA > (Crux > > > of Astrology), that contradicts one of the basic rules of calculation > that > > > we discussed last May. Please refer to page 393 of that book, where > Sanjay > > > is discussing the chart of Srimata Sarada, wife of Sri Ramakrishna > > > Paramahamsa. In the last paragraph of that page, he states as follows: > > > > > > " TIMING MARRIAGE: The 7th house Capricorn is stronger than the > ascendant. > > > Hence, it shall initiate the Narayana dasas. The antaradasa (1st one) > > > shall begin from Taurus occupied by Saturn, lord of Capricorn and shall > be > > > direct (due to Saturn). " ["Direct" here refers to forward sequential > > > motion]. > > > > > > So this is exactly as we were instructed. In order for Saturn or Ketu > to > > > alter the sequence of antaradasas, they must be in the stronger of the > 1st > > > or 7th of the major period sign, *NOT* in the antardasa sign itself. In > the > > > above example of Sarada Mata's marriage dasa, Saturn should not alter > the > > > sequence of sub-periods, because he is not in the stronger of 1st and > 7th. > > > He is instead in the beginning antaradasa sign (Taurus). > > > > > > Why does Sanjay thus say that the AD's should go in direct order? Any > > > responses from he learned list members would be appreciated. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 1999 Report Share Posted September 10, 1999 In light of this thread, O thought I would forward this daily message from Hinduism Today GG Original Message----- GURUDEVA +ADw-gurudeva-vedas+AEA-ultraviolet.org+AD4- Cc: repost-vedic-verses+AEA-spiritweb.org +ADw-repost-vedic-verses+AEA-spiritweb.org+AD4- Thursday, September 09, 1999 3:11 PM Daily Vedic Verse 245 Today's Vedic Verse: Day 245 God is, in truth, the whole universe: what was, what is and what beyond shall ever be. He is the God of life immortal and of all life that lives by food. His hands and feet are everywhere. He has heads and mouths everywhere. He sees all, He hears all. He is in all, and He Is. Krishna Yajur Veda, Svetasvatara Upanishads 3.15 The Upanishads, Juan Mascaro, 90 Sanjay Rath +ADw-srath+AEA-fnworld.com+AD4- G J List +ADw-GJList+AEA-goravani.com+AD4AOw- SJVC +ADw-sjvc+AEA-+AD4AOw- Robert A. Koch +ADw-rkoch+AEA-bendnet.com+AD4AOw- vedic astrology+AEA- +ADw-vedic astrology+AEA-+AD4- Thursday, September 09, 1999 4:51 AM +AFs-sjvc+AF0- Re: +AFs-vedic astrology+AF0- Narayana dasa rules and contradictions +AD4-JAYA JAGANNATH +AD4-Dear Narasimha, Robet and Narayana, +AD4- +ACI-Sanau Che Tyeke+ACI- is difficult to interpret. My understanding is that if +AD4-the influence of Saturn dominates the decision on the order, then it shall +AD4-be regular or Zodiacal. This can happen if either saturn is placed in the +AD4-Arambha rasi or in the Dasa rasi. These are both important as one is akin to +AD4-Paka Lagna and the other akin to Lagna. +AD4- Similarly for Ketu the revere applies. Thus in the case of Sarada Ma, +AD4-the presence of Sani in the Paka of the dasa rasi or the Arambha Rasi shall +AD4-dominate the decision of regular reckoning of antardasa. +AD4- When both Saturn and Ketu influence, the situation is even more +AD4-difficult to judge. If both are together in a sign, then the one with a +AD4-higher longitude shall dominate. If they are in separate signs like one in +AD4-dasa Rasi and the other in Arambha rasi, thentheir strenghts are to be +AD4-judged as per the strengths of signs. +AD4- In this manner the movement of the antardasa are to be determined. +AD4-Best Wishes, +AD4-Sanjay Rath +AD4-- +AD4-Narasimha Rao +ADw-pvr+AEA-mediaone.net+AD4- +AD4-+ADw-vedic astrology+AEA-+AD4- +AD4-Sunday, September 05, 1999 4:38 AM +AD4-+AFs-vedic astrology+AF0- Re: Narayana dasa rules and contradictions +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- Dear Robert, +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Namaste+ACE- +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Sanjay should be able to answer that better. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- I taught you exactly how I understood it from what Sanjay personally +AD4-taught me. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- If Saturn/Ketu is in the stronger sign of 1st/7th from dasa sign (and not +AD4-the +AD4APg- sign containing the lord of this stronger sign), then the exceptions +AD4-apply. +AD4APg- Otherwise antardasas in Cp dasa will always be forward. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- In the above example on p.393, antardasas in Cp dasa should, as far as I +AD4APg- know/understand, proceed in the backward order from Ta and not in the +AD4-forward +AD4APg- order as given in the book. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- However, this makes no difference as the antardasa of focus is Sc, the 7th +AD4-from +AD4APg- Ta+ACE- Whether you go forward or backward, you get the same sign as the 7th. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Either there was an oversight by Sanjay or I understood the rules +AD4-incorrectly. +AD4APg- Hopefully Sanjay will correctly instruct us on these exceptions. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- May Jupiter's light shine on us, +AD4APg- Narasimha +AD4APg- +AD4APg- +AD4- Namaste Narasimha, Narayan Iyer, and others experts on Narayan dasa, +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- There is an example of Narayana dasa that is given by Sanjay in COA +AD4-(Crux +AD4APg- +AD4- of Astrology), that contradicts one of the basic rules of calculation +AD4-that +AD4APg- +AD4- we discussed last May. 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In +AD4-the +AD4APg- +AD4- above example of Sarada Mata's marriage dasa, Saturn should not alter +AD4-the +AD4APg- +AD4- sequence of sub-periods, because he is not in the stronger of 1st and +AD4-7th. +AD4APg- +AD4- He is instead in the beginning antaradasa sign (Taurus). +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- Why does Sanjay thus say that the AD's should go in direct order? 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