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Dear Sanjayji,

 

Namaskar.

 

You are a Master in astrology. I am a 'nobody' compared to you.

 

Regarding your question "Where did Dr Raman say that the Kali Yuga started in

499 BC/AD?" I presume this question was prompted by the following quote that I

made from David Frawleys book, "The Astrology of the Seers" which is part of GJ

program:

 

"Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru of Paramahansa

Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both an astrologer and a

Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a 24,000

year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas. B.V. Raman's

calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are not far either.

Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate of movement around

50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of speculation."

 

The above was taken from GJ Ver 2.26, from the 'Features' section, under

'Reference Library', 'Seers', 3rd chapter '15 Seers - Ast. East/West 2'. David

Frawley talks about the various Ayanamshas and while doing so gives the

Ayanamsha for 1950 as being:

 

Lahiri 23-10

B.V. Raman 21-42

Shri Yukteswar 21-46

J.N. Bhasin 22-03

 

When David Frawley said "B.V. Raman's calculations are very close to this and

J.N. Bhasin's are not far either" I presume he was referring to the above

numbers and not to the starting period of Kali Yuga. You can read what David

Frawley says at the reference I have given above. You have a copy of GJ and

can look it up. You will be in a better position to comment on it compared to

me.

 

I have not read B.V. Raman's book "Notable Horoscopes" so I will not be able to

answer your question on this. But I do know that Shri Yukteswarji also said

the start of Kali Yuga was heralded by the demise of Lord Krishna.

 

Sanjayji, my ambition is to reach a position where I have at least one 10th of

your knowledge in vedic astrology. By the grace of God and by following the

path shown by Masters in this subject like you, I hope to be able to reach that

stage. I seek your blessings.

 

Your humble student.

 

Vidyadhar

 

V.K. Vidyadhar3 / 90 Belmore StreetWest Tamworth, NSW 2340AustraliaTel:

61-2-67-62 4711Email: vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au (home)

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<vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au>; G J List <GJList (AT) goravani (DOT) com>; Das (AT) goravani (DOT) com

<Das (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Sunday, 05 September, 1999 8:11 PMBRAHMA VIDYA

Part-2

JAYA JAGANNATHDear Vidyadharji,

Namaskar,

A few questions if you permit for my own further reading:

1. The autobiography of a Yogi is perhaps, the only genuine autobiography of its

kind. A masterpiece no doubt. I have read tthis a few times since middle school.

Any other literature? Where did I read about the administration of Castor Oil

with the Mritunjaya Mantra for reviving one almost dead..I think it was Swami

Yukteswara teaching Yogananda Maharaj in one of his real life lessons. Can you

help?

Dr B V Raman

2. Where did Dr Raman say that the Kali Yuga started in 499 BC/AD? His views on

the starting of the Kali Yuga are recorded in his book NOTABLE HOROSCOPES under

the first chart of Sri Krishna. Very correctly, Dr Raman has even differed with

his illustrious grandfather in this matter and has fixed the Year of Appearance

of Sri Krishna as 3228 B.C. Thereafter, taking the period of Residence of Sri

Krishna in this planet as 125 Years, the begining of Kali Yuga was fixed at

3102 B.C. This view has the support of scriptures like the SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM,

VISHNU PURANA, HARIVAMSA ETC.

 

3. There are considerable similarities between the Brahma Vidya and the article

you posted. However, there are many differences in the terminology and the

starting point. If we accept that the BEGINING OF KALI or the coming of Evil is

the "Disappearance of Sri Krishna", then the arguments given by Dr B V Raman

should be relied upon in his book "Notable Horoscopes" which fixes the begining

of Kali Yuga at the traditional date of 3012 BC. Do you agree?

Best Regards,Sanjay RathSri Jagannath Vedic Center152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar

Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath (AT) fnworld (DOT) comWebpage:

http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath

 

 

 

 

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V.K.Vidyadhar

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Friday, September 03, 1999 5:56 PM

Re: Dwapara Yuga

Dasji,

 

I read what you said on this subject with great interest. May I be permitted to

add my 2 cents worth please. You are a very nice person. I have a lot of

respect and admiration for you. I am a beginner to vedic astrology and my

knowledge of Indian religions is only slightly better. Despite these handicaps

I feel I need to stand up and say something in defence of Gnanavatar Swami Sri

Yukteswar Giri who was the guru of Shri Parmahansa Yogananda who is my guru.

 

The famous David Frawleys in his book, "The Astrology of the Seers" which is

part of your own GJ program says:

 

"Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru of Paramahansa

Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both an astrologer and a

Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a 24,000

year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas. B.V. Raman's

calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are not far either.

Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate of movement around

50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of speculation."

 

I realize what Swami Yukteswarji said on the subject of the Yuga Cycle does not

conform to what is the general thinking on this subject in India. But then

original ideas which are against commonly held beliefs of that time and period

are seldom accepted as correct. Take for example the view that the Earth was

the centre of the universe and that the Earth was flat. This was the commonly

held belief just a few hundred years ago. Anybody who held different views

were branded as heretics and were burnt at the stake for spreading such views

and thoughts. One of the early scientific minds of that time who believed the

Earth was not round and was not at the centre of the universe was ridiculed and

harassed to such an extent for harbouring such radical ideas that he committed

suicide.

 

I am attaching a Winword file that gives the extract of the main points raised

by Swami Yukteswar Giri in his booklet "The Holy Science". He clearly explains

his reasoning. It appears quite reasonable and convincing.

 

The following is the Foreword to "The Holy Science":

 

"Prophets of all lands and ages have succeeded in their God-quest. Enteringa

state of true illumination, nirvikalpa samadhi, these saints have realizedthe

Supreme Reality behind all names and forms. Their wisdom and spiritualcounsel

have become the scriptures of the world. These, although outwardlydiffering by

reason of the variegated cloaks of words, are all expressions -some open and

clear, others hidden or symbolic - of the same basic truth ofSpirit.My

gurudeva, Jnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar (1855-1936) of Serampore, waseminently

fitted to discern the underlying unity between the scriptures ofChristianity and

Santan Dharma. Placing the holy texts on the spotlesstable of his mind, he was

able to dissect them with the scalpel of intuitivereasoning, and to separate

interpolations and wrong interpretations ofscholars from the truths as

originally given by the prophets.It is due to Jnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar's

unerring spiritual insightthat it now becomes possible, through this book, to

establish a fundamentalharmony between the difficult Biblical chapter,

Revelation, and the Sankhyaphilosophy of India.As my Gurudeva has explained in

his Introduction, these pages were writtenby him in obedience to a request made

by Babaji, the holy gurudeva of LahiriMahasaya, who in turn was the gurudeva of

Sri Yukteswar. I have writtenabout the Christlike lives of these three great

masters in my book,Autobiography of a Yogi (London: Rider & Co).The Sanskrit

aphorisms cited in The Holy Science will shed much light on theBhagavad Gita as

well as on other great scriptures of India.PARAMAHANSA YOGANANDA249 Dwapara

(A.D. 1949)

 

 

You said: "Another understanding of why things have picked up a bit is our

Vaisnavaunderstanding, which is that Krishna comes as Sri Caitanya only

rarelyin Kali Yuga, so we should feel lucky that we're in "the one", and

afterHis divine appearance, which in our fortunate case was 500 years ago".

 

What you say above matches very well with what Swami Yukteswarji also said. 500

years ago when Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabu lived, Swami Yukteswarji also says we

were in Kali Yuga. Dwapara Yuga started only later, AFTER the demise of Shri

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

 

You said: "He may even indirectly be responsible for the enlivened state of the

Hindu sectswhich don't recognize Him, such as Sri Yukteshwar's Param Guru's

Sampradaya."

 

Sri Yukteshwar's Param Guru's Sampradaya very much recognises Lord Krishna. In

fact their lineage is taken directly from Lord Krishna himself. The prayer of

the followers of this Sampradaya starts with: "Heavenly Father, Divine Mother,

Bhagavan Shri Krishna, Mahavatar Babaji, Lahiri Mahasaya, Shri Yukteswarji,

Guru Preceptor Paramahansa Yogananda, Saints and Sages of all religions--Lead

me from ignorance to wisdom, from desires to contentment, from restlessness to

peace." The followers of this Sampradaya respect and pay obience to "Saints

and Sages of ALL religions".

 

Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was one of the avatars of Vishnu. His followers and

the Hare Krishna movement is something to be proud of.

 

Dasji, you must have read the famous classic "Autobiography of a Yogi". If you

haven't, please do so.

 

I rest my case.

 

Yours in humility

Vidyadhar

 

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Dear Sanjayji,

 

Namaskar,

 

With reference to what you said below:

 

If we ERRONEOUSLY take Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods

as given in Manu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See

the two statements for example: 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or

1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200

Years).

 

Sri Yukteswar said the following:

18. The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894)

is not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and astrologers

who calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain

Sanskrit scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and

now maintain that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years of which 4994 have

(in A.D. 1894) passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark

prospect! And fortunately one not true. The mistake crept into almanacs for the

first time about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the

completion of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja

Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his

throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together

with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the

paradise of the world. Thus there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who

could understand the principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several

yugas. Hence, after the completion of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara

Yuga, no one dared to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest

by beginning to calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number

of Dwapara years. According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the

first year of Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga. In

A.D. 499 when 1200 years, the length of the true Kali Yuga, was complete, and

the sun had reached the point of its orbit farthest from the grand centre (when

the autumnal equinox was on the first point of Libra in the heavens) the age of

Kali in its darkest period was then numbered 3600 years instead of 1200.

19. With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D. 499, the sun

began to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand centre, and accordingly the

intellectual power of man started to develop. Therefore the mistake in the

almanacs began to be noticed by the wise men of the time, who found that the

calculations of the ancient rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at

1200 years only. But as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably

developed, they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for

it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of

Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva years

("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each,

with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth.

Sri Yukteswar says the opposite of what you say. He says the mistake crept in

because the scholars of that time ERRONEOUSLY multiplied the correct number by

360. He also explains HOW the mistake crept in.

 

I would like to believe what 99% of the Indian polulation believes, viz., that

we are now in the midst of Kali Yuga. But I firmly believe that Sri Yukteswar

COULD NOT have made such a mistake. A person of his stature and background

could not have made such an error. This was not just a passing remark made by

him but these words were deliberately WRITTEN by him in the book "The Holy

Science", that too in obedience to a command issued by no less a person that

Mahavatar Babaji himself. If a Westerner dismisses such writings by Sri

Yukteswar, I can understand it. If a person who has not read "Autobiography of

a Yogi" and is unfamiliar with the background of Sri Yukteswar dismisses it, I

can understand. But with your background and special qualifications, you must

know of the infallibility of the words of a person like Sri Yukteswar. A

person who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage of development. Such an

individual CANNOT make such a mistake. On my part, I find I simply cannot

dismiss Sri Yukteswar's writings on this aspect as being false. How can it be?

The sun can rise from the West but the writings of a person of Sri Yukteswar's

stature CANNOT go wrong. You have read "Autobiography of a Yogi" several

times, you are familiar with the true nature of Sri Yukteswar and the Spiritual

Giant that he was. I find it quite impossible to accept that Sri Yukteswar

could have made such a mistake. I can understand the concept of 'cycle within

cycles', very much like the Dasa/Bhukti/Anthras of vedic astrology. But what

Sri Yukteswar wrote cannot be explained away even with THIS concept. He was

quite emphatic and unambigous on this point, as you can see from his writings

(quoted above).

 

How do you explain this anomaly?

 

Your humble student.

 

Vidyadhar

V.K. Vidyadhar3 / 90 Belmore StreetWest Tamworth, NSW 2340AustraliaTel:

61-2-67-62 4711Email: vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au (home)

vvidyadhar (AT) tamworth (DOT) baeft.com (office)

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September, 1999 4:20 AM[vedic astrology] Re: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2JAYA

JAGANNATHDear Maniji, Thank You for your kind words. You are correct in that

the Kali Yugastarted on the day of disappearance of Sri Krishna. It is the

tradition ofHindu's to start calanders on the day of disappearance or

appearance ofMahatma's and we have so many calanders like Sakabda, Gaurabda

etc. In thisprocess with the further progress of Kali Yuga we forgot that the

BESTCALANDER IS THE ONE THAT IS INITIATED FROM THE DAY OF DISAPPEARANCE OF

THEPARAMATMA instead of a Mahatma or Jeevatma. This only proves that we

arestill in Kali Yuga having forgotten our roots and are hunting about

indarkness. The only path in such a scenario is given in the VISHNU

GAYATRI:TAD-VISHNU PARAM PADAM SADA-PASYANTI SURAH (.) DIVEEVAH CHAKSHYUR

AATATAM(.)That is why Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang " Jagannatha Swami Nayana

PathagamiBhavatu Me" which is something like "Lead kindly Light". I again

reiterate that the error lies in the terminology and not theunderstanding. Like

Narasimha has had a correct intuition that it is cycleswithin cycles. And what

is the PRIMARY CYCLE? Is it not the Kalpa which iscomposed of 1000 Mahayuga's

of 12,000 Daiva Varsha each. If we ERRONEOUSLYtake Varsha (Year) instead of

DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given inManu Smriti), a great error of

multiplication by 360 crops up. See the twostatements for example: 1. Kali

Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga

is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). You will see that a very gross

mathematical error has crept into thesecond statement unwittingly. Thus, what

Sri Yukteswara called as Kali Yugais actually the Kali Mahachakra of 1200

Years. (Note:By adding all the fourChakra, we get a Maha Chakra of 1200 Years.

(120+240+360+480=1200)). Thus,Kali (ONE) Maha Chakra is 1200 Years, Dwapara

(TWO) MahaChakra is 2400years, Treta (THREE) Mahachakra is 3600 years and Kreta

(FOUR) Mahachakra is4800 years. As I pointed out, it is only a question of

terminology. Next isthe starting point which I will take up another time. I

hope all benefit from this.Best Regards,Sanjay RathSri Jagannath Vedic

Center152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA

110091.Tel:+91-11-2489531Webpage:http://way.to/sjvc----- Original Message

-----Mani <subra (AT) t-online (DOT) de><gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Sunday,

September 05, 1999 11:46 PMRe: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2> Dear Vidhyadhar

and Sanjay,>> May I please give my humble opinions on this subject?>>>

V.K.Vidyadhar wrote:> > Dear Sanjayji,> >> > Namaskar.> >> > You are a Master

in astrology. I am a 'nobody' compared to you.>> I join in this statement!!!>>

>> > "Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru ofParamahansa>

> Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both anastrologer and>

> a Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a> >

24,000 year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas.B.V.> >

Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are notfar> >

either. Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate ofmovement> >

around 50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of> >

speculation."> > I have not read B.V. Raman's book "Notable Horoscopes" so I

will not beable> > to answer your question on this. But I do know that Shri

Yukteswarjialso> > said the start of Kali Yuga was heralded by the demise of

Lord Krishna.>> This is common tradition. But if the departure of Sri Krishna

heraldedKali> Yuga, we are faced with various discrepancies:>> 1. Swami

Yukteswar gives 700 BC as the time of Parikshit, so that Kalimust have> started

and Sri Krishna must have died at that time.>> 2. Dr. Raghavan and other

scholars in Madras have carefully investigatedthe> time of the Mahabharatha war

and a time around 3100 BC fits in best.Various> puranic king lists and

astronomical data were examined.>> According to this Adi Shankara was born

about 580 BC and Gauthama Buddha1850> BC. At least Shankara´s time tallies with

the chronicles of theKamakotipeetam -> the chief Math established by Shankara.

The date 800 AD taken forShankara by> many is a mistake: a confusion with a

later Acharya called AbhinavaShankara,> whose life was in many respects similar

to that of Adi Shankara. (In fact,> judging by style the scholars concluded Adi

Shankara wrote only thecommentary> to the Bhagavadam and all the rest

attributed to him were by Abhinava!)>> This dating fits in with the puranic

lists. If 499 BC or AD was Kalibeginning> and Krishna departed just before

that, Shankara would have lived before> Krishna!!!>> The dating of Indian

history is based on only ONE ASSUMPTION made by MAXMÜLLER!> He decided that

Alexander "met" Chandragupta Maurya. This is not supportedat> all by any texts.

But all texts support the idea that he came to India atthe> time of Chandragupta

of the Gupta dynasty, 1000 years after the Mauryashad> lived! BTW Alexander most

likely suffered a severe defeat in a battle with> Samudragupta, Chandragupta´s

son, which caused him to retreat!>> 3. Swami Yukteswar´s explanation - as given

in Vidhyadhar´s posting - is> contradictory to to the above dating.>> Granting

all such factors as 24000 years and a wobbling> orbit for the sun, the yuga

cycle cannot be satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,> satya, thretha etc. Yukteswar

postulates satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,dwapara,> thretha etc. But his periods

are for 2 half cycles of 12000 years. ifthere are> two Threthas and two dwaparas

for 24000 years, there must be two kalis andtwo> satyas! So the cycle should be

: sathya-1, thretha-1, dwapara-1, kali-1,kali-2> dwapara-2, thretha-2,

sathya-2, followed by sathya-1 again! So bothsathya and> kali should be double

periods.> This is what Yukteswar says: Descending Kali began in 700 BC and

ended1200> years later with 499 AD, when ascending Kali began!>> Now, Dwapara

lasts, according to him, 2400 years. Adding this to 700 BC,we get> 3100 BC -

the traditional beginning of kali! But according to Yukteswarit was> Dwapara

that began then!!!>> Now, is that possible? YES, if we change one statement: if

we say that Sri> Krishna´s birth STARTED dwapara instead of his death ending

it!>>> Is this tenable? Now, generally it is taken that Sri Rama lived in

thethretha> yuga, which came to an end when he departed. But the great

playwrightBhasa says> that Rama was born at the BEGINNING of Dwapara! Please

check what Kalidasasays> in Raghuvamsa, if you have a copy - and let me know!>>

In other words, these traditions were UNCERTAIN even 2000 years ago. Theymight>

have arisen from ignorance or misunderstanding, since such things were not>

written down. So we have to rely on other evidence.>> Since you are all good at

sanskrit and have access to the books, try tosee how> one can fit the puzzle

together.>> If we accept the change as Rama starting Thretha, Krishna

startingDwapara, no> avatar starting Kali, but Chaitanya ending Kali or

starting ascendingDwapara,> we may have a probable framework.>> Another

calculation wuld be: Kali began in 3100 BC and ended in 700 BC.Dwapara> began

then and ended in 1700. So ascending Thretha started then! Is that>

philosophically possible? YES, in spite of the present state ofimmorality.>

Since the number of souls has increased, there are more to be tested,which>

calls for more "evil". Y2K may bring a breakhrough into the real thretha,when>

the starting 300 years are over! Let us not forget: many of the evils oftoday>

existed even a few hundred years ago, but today more people are aware ofthem>

and desire a change.>> As far as astrology is concerned, Yukteswar´s ayanamsa

as connected toyugas -> in his way - leaves a wide margin of over 500 years to

play with!>> It is a pity no one asked Yukteswar to explain the

discrepancies.>> namaste>

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JAYA JAGANNATHDear Vidyadharji,

Very nice question. As i have explained in a subsequent letter to the

GJList, this is the faith of Sri Yukteshwara Maharaj. In the Guru-Sisya

Parampara, the faith of the disciple in the Guru is vital to success in the

disciplene. Like Matsyendranathji and Goraknath or Lahiri Mahasaya and Sri

Yukteswarji.

What his Guru taught, and because he was directed to write he wrote. This

was not a subject he was personally interested in, but left impressions for

another Generation to learn from. When I learnt Brahma Vidya, I was thoroughly

confused about the cycles and why only some sub-cycles would come, and whether

there was any real basis to these things. Now it is becoming clearer. Your

writing on this subject has prompted me to start speaking out. It is their

wish.

Now, Yoga was the forte of Sri Yukteshwaraji and not Jyotish. We should

understand and respect this. He did something purely on the directions of his

Guru and this is something really admirable. How many of us do this today.

Maybe he mixed up Kali Mahachakra with the Kali Yuga, but the point remains

that Lahiri Mahasaya who was very adept at Jyotish also knew about this Brahma

Vidya, and mentioned it to his disciple. The publication was meant to prompt

other Jyotish parampara's to take this as a lead and to give out the Brahma

Vidya for the benefit of the world, but it did not happen. Lahiri Mahasaya was

a perfect Yogi and this was his focus as well as that of his disciples.

Let me confirm that those mail were sent to the GJ List earlier as well and

it has taken me more than a year to make up my mind to give a reply. Why blame

the older Jyotisha's. Please do not attempt to re-write history by erasing so

many hard truths. Lahiri mahasaya's upadesa which became Sri Yukteswara's

writings are serving their purpose. They have opened my eyes at least. It was

like a Divine message for me..."NO MORE HIDING..SPEAK OUT TRUTHFULLY."

Reading about a Yogi verbatim is one thing, but UNDERSTANDING THE MESSAGE IS

ANOTHER. Let us take the message in the true spirit.

Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath

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V.K.Vidyadhar

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Cc: Mani ; SRath

Tuesday, September 07, 1999 2:03 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2

Dear Sanjayji,

 

Namaskar,

 

With reference to what you said below:

 

If we ERRONEOUSLY take Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods

as given in Manu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See

the two statements for example: 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or

1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200

Years).

 

Sri Yukteswar said the following:

18. The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894)

is not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and astrologers

who calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain

Sanskrit scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and

now maintain that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years of which 4994 have

(in A.D. 1894) passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark

prospect! And fortunately one not true. The mistake crept into almanacs for the

first time about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the

completion of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja

Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his

throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together

with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the

paradise of the world. Thus there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who

could understand the principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several

yugas. Hence, after the completion of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara

Yuga, no one dared to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest

by beginning to calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number

of Dwapara years. According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the

first year of Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga. In

A.D. 499 when 1200 years, the length of the true Kali Yuga, was complete, and

the sun had reached the point of its orbit farthest from the grand centre (when

the autumnal equinox was on the first point of Libra in the heavens) the age of

Kali in its darkest period was then numbered 3600 years instead of 1200.

19. With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D. 499, the sun

began to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand centre, and accordingly the

intellectual power of man started to develop. Therefore the mistake in the

almanacs began to be noticed by the wise men of the time, who found that the

calculations of the ancient rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at

1200 years only. But as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably

developed, they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for

it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of

Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva years

("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each,

with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth.

Sri Yukteswar says the opposite of what you say. He says the mistake crept in

because the scholars of that time ERRONEOUSLY multiplied the correct number by

360. He also explains HOW the mistake crept in.

 

I would like to believe what 99% of the Indian polulation believes, viz., that

we are now in the midst of Kali Yuga. But I firmly believe that Sri Yukteswar

COULD NOT have made such a mistake. A person of his stature and background

could not have made such an error. This was not just a passing remark made by

him but these words were deliberately WRITTEN by him in the book "The Holy

Science", that too in obedience to a command issued by no less a person that

Mahavatar Babaji himself. If a Westerner dismisses such writings by Sri

Yukteswar, I can understand it. If a person who has not read "Autobiography of

a Yogi" and is unfamiliar with the background of Sri Yukteswar dismisses it, I

can understand. But with your background and special qualifications, you must

know of the infallibility of the words of a person like Sri Yukteswar. A

person who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage of development. Such an

individual CANNOT make such a mistake. On my part, I find I simply cannot

dismiss Sri Yukteswar's writings on this aspect as being false. How can it be?

The sun can rise from the West but the writings of a person of Sri Yukteswar's

stature CANNOT go wrong. You have read "Autobiography of a Yogi" several

times, you are familiar with the true nature of Sri Yukteswar and the Spiritual

Giant that he was. I find it quite impossible to accept that Sri Yukteswar

could have made such a mistake. I can understand the concept of 'cycle within

cycles', very much like the Dasa/Bhukti/Anthras of vedic astrology. But what

Sri Yukteswar wrote cannot be explained away even with THIS concept. He was

quite emphatic and unambigous on this point, as you can see from his writings

(quoted above).

 

How do you explain this anomaly?

 

Your humble student.

 

Vidyadhar

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<subra (AT) t-online (DOT) de>; gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com <gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Tuesday, 07

September, 1999 4:20 AM[vedic astrology] Re: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2JAYA

JAGANNATHDear Maniji, Thank You for your kind words. You are correct in that

the Kali Yugastarted on the day of disappearance of Sri Krishna. It is the

tradition ofHindu's to start calanders on the day of disappearance or

appearance ofMahatma's and we have so many calanders like Sakabda, Gaurabda

etc. In thisprocess with the further progress of Kali Yuga we forgot that the

BESTCALANDER IS THE ONE THAT IS INITIATED FROM THE DAY OF DISAPPEARANCE OF

THEPARAMATMA instead of a Mahatma or Jeevatma. This only proves that we

arestill in Kali Yuga having forgotten our roots and are hunting about

indarkness. The only path in such a scenario is given in the VISHNU

GAYATRI:TAD-VISHNU PARAM PADAM SADA-PASYANTI SURAH (.) DIVEEVAH CHAKSHYUR

AATATAM(.)That is why Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang " Jagannatha Swami Nayana

PathagamiBhavatu Me" which is something like "Lead kindly Light". I again

reiterate that the error lies in the terminology and not theunderstanding. Like

Narasimha has had a correct intuition that it is cycleswithin cycles. And what

is the PRIMARY CYCLE? Is it not the Kalpa which iscomposed of 1000 Mahayuga's

of 12,000 Daiva Varsha each. If we ERRONEOUSLYtake Varsha (Year) instead of

DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given inManu Smriti), a great error of

multiplication by 360 crops up. See the twostatements for example: 1. Kali

Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga

is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). You will see that a very gross

mathematical error has crept into thesecond statement unwittingly. Thus, what

Sri Yukteswara called as Kali Yugais actually the Kali Mahachakra of 1200

Years. (Note:By adding all the fourChakra, we get a Maha Chakra of 1200 Years.

(120+240+360+480=1200)). Thus,Kali (ONE) Maha Chakra is 1200 Years, Dwapara

(TWO) MahaChakra is 2400years, Treta (THREE) Mahachakra is 3600 years and Kreta

(FOUR) Mahachakra is4800 years. As I pointed out, it is only a question of

terminology. Next isthe starting point which I will take up another time. I

hope all benefit from this.Best Regards,Sanjay RathSri Jagannath Vedic

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-----Mani <subra (AT) t-online (DOT) de><gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Sunday,

September 05, 1999 11:46 PMRe: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2> Dear Vidhyadhar

and Sanjay,>> May I please give my humble opinions on this subject?>>>

V.K.Vidyadhar wrote:> > Dear Sanjayji,> >> > Namaskar.> >> > You are a Master

in astrology. I am a 'nobody' compared to you.>> I join in this statement!!!>>

>> > "Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru ofParamahansa>

> Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both anastrologer and>

> a Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a> >

24,000 year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas.B.V.> >

Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are notfar> >

either. Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate ofmovement> >

around 50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of> >

speculation."> > I have not read B.V. Raman's book "Notable Horoscopes" so I

will not beable> > to answer your question on this. But I do know that Shri

Yukteswarjialso> > said the start of Kali Yuga was heralded by the demise of

Lord Krishna.>> This is common tradition. But if the departure of Sri Krishna

heraldedKali> Yuga, we are faced with various discrepancies:>> 1. Swami

Yukteswar gives 700 BC as the time of Parikshit, so that Kalimust have> started

and Sri Krishna must have died at that time.>> 2. Dr. Raghavan and other

scholars in Madras have carefully investigatedthe> time of the Mahabharatha war

and a time around 3100 BC fits in best.Various> puranic king lists and

astronomical data were examined.>> According to this Adi Shankara was born

about 580 BC and Gauthama Buddha1850> BC. At least Shankara´s time tallies with

the chronicles of theKamakotipeetam -> the chief Math established by Shankara.

The date 800 AD taken forShankara by> many is a mistake: a confusion with a

later Acharya called AbhinavaShankara,> whose life was in many respects similar

to that of Adi Shankara. (In fact,> judging by style the scholars concluded Adi

Shankara wrote only thecommentary> to the Bhagavadam and all the rest

attributed to him were by Abhinava!)>> This dating fits in with the puranic

lists. If 499 BC or AD was Kalibeginning> and Krishna departed just before

that, Shankara would have lived before> Krishna!!!>> The dating of Indian

history is based on only ONE ASSUMPTION made by MAXMÜLLER!> He decided that

Alexander "met" Chandragupta Maurya. This is not supportedat> all by any texts.

But all texts support the idea that he came to India atthe> time of Chandragupta

of the Gupta dynasty, 1000 years after the Mauryashad> lived! BTW Alexander most

likely suffered a severe defeat in a battle with> Samudragupta, Chandragupta´s

son, which caused him to retreat!>> 3. Swami Yukteswar´s explanation - as given

in Vidhyadhar´s posting - is> contradictory to to the above dating.>> Granting

all such factors as 24000 years and a wobbling> orbit for the sun, the yuga

cycle cannot be satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,> satya, thretha etc. Yukteswar

postulates satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,dwapara,> thretha etc. But his periods

are for 2 half cycles of 12000 years. ifthere are> two Threthas and two dwaparas

for 24000 years, there must be two kalis andtwo> satyas! So the cycle should be

: sathya-1, thretha-1, dwapara-1, kali-1,kali-2> dwapara-2, thretha-2,

sathya-2, followed by sathya-1 again! So bothsathya and> kali should be double

periods.> This is what Yukteswar says: Descending Kali began in 700 BC and

ended1200> years later with 499 AD, when ascending Kali began!>> Now, Dwapara

lasts, according to him, 2400 years. Adding this to 700 BC,we get> 3100 BC -

the traditional beginning of kali! But according to Yukteswarit was> Dwapara

that began then!!!>> Now, is that possible? YES, if we change one statement: if

we say that Sri> Krishna´s birth STARTED dwapara instead of his death ending

it!>>> Is this tenable? Now, generally it is taken that Sri Rama lived in

thethretha> yuga, which came to an end when he departed. But the great

playwrightBhasa says> that Rama was born at the BEGINNING of Dwapara! Please

check what Kalidasasays> in Raghuvamsa, if you have a copy - and let me know!>>

In other words, these traditions were UNCERTAIN even 2000 years ago. Theymight>

have arisen from ignorance or misunderstanding, since such things were not>

written down. So we have to rely on other evidence.>> Since you are all good at

sanskrit and have access to the books, try tosee how> one can fit the puzzle

together.>> If we accept the change as Rama starting Thretha, Krishna

startingDwapara, no> avatar starting Kali, but Chaitanya ending Kali or

starting ascendingDwapara,> we may have a probable framework.>> Another

calculation wuld be: Kali began in 3100 BC and ended in 700 BC.Dwapara> began

then and ended in 1700. So ascending Thretha started then! Is that>

philosophically possible? YES, in spite of the present state ofimmorality.>

Since the number of souls has increased, there are more to be tested,which>

calls for more "evil". Y2K may bring a breakhrough into the real thretha,when>

the starting 300 years are over! Let us not forget: many of the evils oftoday>

existed even a few hundred years ago, but today more people are aware ofthem>

and desire a change.>> As far as astrology is concerned, Yukteswar´s ayanamsa

as connected toyugas -> in his way - leaves a wide margin of over 500 years to

play with!>> It is a pity no one asked Yukteswar to explain the

discrepancies.>> namaste>

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