Guest guest Posted September 5, 1999 Report Share Posted September 5, 1999 Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar. You are a Master in astrology. I am a 'nobody' compared to you. Regarding your question "Where did Dr Raman say that the Kali Yuga started in 499 BC/AD?" I presume this question was prompted by the following quote that I made from David Frawleys book, "The Astrology of the Seers" which is part of GJ program: "Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru of Paramahansa Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both an astrologer and a Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a 24,000 year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas. B.V. Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are not far either. Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate of movement around 50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of speculation." The above was taken from GJ Ver 2.26, from the 'Features' section, under 'Reference Library', 'Seers', 3rd chapter '15 Seers - Ast. East/West 2'. David Frawley talks about the various Ayanamshas and while doing so gives the Ayanamsha for 1950 as being: Lahiri 23-10 B.V. Raman 21-42 Shri Yukteswar 21-46 J.N. Bhasin 22-03 When David Frawley said "B.V. Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are not far either" I presume he was referring to the above numbers and not to the starting period of Kali Yuga. You can read what David Frawley says at the reference I have given above. You have a copy of GJ and can look it up. You will be in a better position to comment on it compared to me. I have not read B.V. Raman's book "Notable Horoscopes" so I will not be able to answer your question on this. But I do know that Shri Yukteswarji also said the start of Kali Yuga was heralded by the demise of Lord Krishna. Sanjayji, my ambition is to reach a position where I have at least one 10th of your knowledge in vedic astrology. By the grace of God and by following the path shown by Masters in this subject like you, I hope to be able to reach that stage. I seek your blessings. Your humble student. Vidyadhar V.K. Vidyadhar3 / 90 Belmore StreetWest Tamworth, NSW 2340AustraliaTel: 61-2-67-62 4711Email: vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au (home) vvidyadhar (AT) tamworth (DOT) baeft.com (office) Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) fnworld (DOT) com>V.K.Vidyadhar <vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au>; G J List <GJList (AT) goravani (DOT) com>; Das (AT) goravani (DOT) com <Das (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Sunday, 05 September, 1999 8:11 PMBRAHMA VIDYA Part-2 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Vidyadharji, Namaskar, A few questions if you permit for my own further reading: 1. The autobiography of a Yogi is perhaps, the only genuine autobiography of its kind. A masterpiece no doubt. I have read tthis a few times since middle school. Any other literature? Where did I read about the administration of Castor Oil with the Mritunjaya Mantra for reviving one almost dead..I think it was Swami Yukteswara teaching Yogananda Maharaj in one of his real life lessons. Can you help? Dr B V Raman 2. Where did Dr Raman say that the Kali Yuga started in 499 BC/AD? His views on the starting of the Kali Yuga are recorded in his book NOTABLE HOROSCOPES under the first chart of Sri Krishna. Very correctly, Dr Raman has even differed with his illustrious grandfather in this matter and has fixed the Year of Appearance of Sri Krishna as 3228 B.C. Thereafter, taking the period of Residence of Sri Krishna in this planet as 125 Years, the begining of Kali Yuga was fixed at 3102 B.C. This view has the support of scriptures like the SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM, VISHNU PURANA, HARIVAMSA ETC. 3. There are considerable similarities between the Brahma Vidya and the article you posted. However, there are many differences in the terminology and the starting point. If we accept that the BEGINING OF KALI or the coming of Evil is the "Disappearance of Sri Krishna", then the arguments given by Dr B V Raman should be relied upon in his book "Notable Horoscopes" which fixes the begining of Kali Yuga at the traditional date of 3012 BC. Do you agree? Best Regards,Sanjay RathSri Jagannath Vedic Center152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath (AT) fnworld (DOT) comWebpage: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath - V.K.Vidyadhar G J List ; Das (AT) goravani (DOT) com Friday, September 03, 1999 5:56 PM Re: Dwapara Yuga Dasji, I read what you said on this subject with great interest. May I be permitted to add my 2 cents worth please. You are a very nice person. I have a lot of respect and admiration for you. I am a beginner to vedic astrology and my knowledge of Indian religions is only slightly better. Despite these handicaps I feel I need to stand up and say something in defence of Gnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri who was the guru of Shri Parmahansa Yogananda who is my guru. The famous David Frawleys in his book, "The Astrology of the Seers" which is part of your own GJ program says: "Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru of Paramahansa Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both an astrologer and a Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a 24,000 year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas. B.V. Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are not far either. Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate of movement around 50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of speculation." I realize what Swami Yukteswarji said on the subject of the Yuga Cycle does not conform to what is the general thinking on this subject in India. But then original ideas which are against commonly held beliefs of that time and period are seldom accepted as correct. Take for example the view that the Earth was the centre of the universe and that the Earth was flat. This was the commonly held belief just a few hundred years ago. Anybody who held different views were branded as heretics and were burnt at the stake for spreading such views and thoughts. One of the early scientific minds of that time who believed the Earth was not round and was not at the centre of the universe was ridiculed and harassed to such an extent for harbouring such radical ideas that he committed suicide. I am attaching a Winword file that gives the extract of the main points raised by Swami Yukteswar Giri in his booklet "The Holy Science". He clearly explains his reasoning. It appears quite reasonable and convincing. The following is the Foreword to "The Holy Science": "Prophets of all lands and ages have succeeded in their God-quest. Enteringa state of true illumination, nirvikalpa samadhi, these saints have realizedthe Supreme Reality behind all names and forms. Their wisdom and spiritualcounsel have become the scriptures of the world. These, although outwardlydiffering by reason of the variegated cloaks of words, are all expressions -some open and clear, others hidden or symbolic - of the same basic truth ofSpirit.My gurudeva, Jnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar (1855-1936) of Serampore, waseminently fitted to discern the underlying unity between the scriptures ofChristianity and Santan Dharma. Placing the holy texts on the spotlesstable of his mind, he was able to dissect them with the scalpel of intuitivereasoning, and to separate interpolations and wrong interpretations ofscholars from the truths as originally given by the prophets.It is due to Jnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar's unerring spiritual insightthat it now becomes possible, through this book, to establish a fundamentalharmony between the difficult Biblical chapter, Revelation, and the Sankhyaphilosophy of India.As my Gurudeva has explained in his Introduction, these pages were writtenby him in obedience to a request made by Babaji, the holy gurudeva of LahiriMahasaya, who in turn was the gurudeva of Sri Yukteswar. I have writtenabout the Christlike lives of these three great masters in my book,Autobiography of a Yogi (London: Rider & Co).The Sanskrit aphorisms cited in The Holy Science will shed much light on theBhagavad Gita as well as on other great scriptures of India.PARAMAHANSA YOGANANDA249 Dwapara (A.D. 1949) You said: "Another understanding of why things have picked up a bit is our Vaisnavaunderstanding, which is that Krishna comes as Sri Caitanya only rarelyin Kali Yuga, so we should feel lucky that we're in "the one", and afterHis divine appearance, which in our fortunate case was 500 years ago". What you say above matches very well with what Swami Yukteswarji also said. 500 years ago when Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabu lived, Swami Yukteswarji also says we were in Kali Yuga. Dwapara Yuga started only later, AFTER the demise of Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. You said: "He may even indirectly be responsible for the enlivened state of the Hindu sectswhich don't recognize Him, such as Sri Yukteshwar's Param Guru's Sampradaya." Sri Yukteshwar's Param Guru's Sampradaya very much recognises Lord Krishna. In fact their lineage is taken directly from Lord Krishna himself. The prayer of the followers of this Sampradaya starts with: "Heavenly Father, Divine Mother, Bhagavan Shri Krishna, Mahavatar Babaji, Lahiri Mahasaya, Shri Yukteswarji, Guru Preceptor Paramahansa Yogananda, Saints and Sages of all religions--Lead me from ignorance to wisdom, from desires to contentment, from restlessness to peace." The followers of this Sampradaya respect and pay obience to "Saints and Sages of ALL religions". Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was one of the avatars of Vishnu. His followers and the Hare Krishna movement is something to be proud of. Dasji, you must have read the famous classic "Autobiography of a Yogi". If you haven't, please do so. I rest my case. Yours in humility Vidyadhar V.K. Vidyadhar3 / 90 Belmore StreetWest Tamworth, NSW 2340AustraliaTel: 61-2-67-62 4711Email: vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au (home) vvidyadhar (AT) tamworth (DOT) baeft.com (office) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 1999 Report Share Posted September 7, 1999 Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar, With reference to what you said below: If we ERRONEOUSLY take Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given in Manu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See the two statements for example: 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). Sri Yukteswar said the following: 18. The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894) is not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and astrologers who calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and now maintain that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years of which 4994 have (in A.D. 1894) passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark prospect! And fortunately one not true. The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several yugas. Hence, after the completion of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara Yuga, no one dared to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years. According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the first year of Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga. In A.D. 499 when 1200 years, the length of the true Kali Yuga, was complete, and the sun had reached the point of its orbit farthest from the grand centre (when the autumnal equinox was on the first point of Libra in the heavens) the age of Kali in its darkest period was then numbered 3600 years instead of 1200. 19. With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D. 499, the sun began to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand centre, and accordingly the intellectual power of man started to develop. Therefore the mistake in the almanacs began to be noticed by the wise men of the time, who found that the calculations of the ancient rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at 1200 years only. But as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably developed, they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva years ("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Sri Yukteswar says the opposite of what you say. He says the mistake crept in because the scholars of that time ERRONEOUSLY multiplied the correct number by 360. He also explains HOW the mistake crept in. I would like to believe what 99% of the Indian polulation believes, viz., that we are now in the midst of Kali Yuga. But I firmly believe that Sri Yukteswar COULD NOT have made such a mistake. A person of his stature and background could not have made such an error. This was not just a passing remark made by him but these words were deliberately WRITTEN by him in the book "The Holy Science", that too in obedience to a command issued by no less a person that Mahavatar Babaji himself. If a Westerner dismisses such writings by Sri Yukteswar, I can understand it. If a person who has not read "Autobiography of a Yogi" and is unfamiliar with the background of Sri Yukteswar dismisses it, I can understand. But with your background and special qualifications, you must know of the infallibility of the words of a person like Sri Yukteswar. A person who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage of development. Such an individual CANNOT make such a mistake. On my part, I find I simply cannot dismiss Sri Yukteswar's writings on this aspect as being false. How can it be? The sun can rise from the West but the writings of a person of Sri Yukteswar's stature CANNOT go wrong. You have read "Autobiography of a Yogi" several times, you are familiar with the true nature of Sri Yukteswar and the Spiritual Giant that he was. I find it quite impossible to accept that Sri Yukteswar could have made such a mistake. I can understand the concept of 'cycle within cycles', very much like the Dasa/Bhukti/Anthras of vedic astrology. But what Sri Yukteswar wrote cannot be explained away even with THIS concept. He was quite emphatic and unambigous on this point, as you can see from his writings (quoted above). How do you explain this anomaly? Your humble student. Vidyadhar V.K. Vidyadhar3 / 90 Belmore StreetWest Tamworth, NSW 2340AustraliaTel: 61-2-67-62 4711Email: vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au (home) vvidyadhar (AT) tamworth (DOT) baeft.com (office) Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) fnworld (DOT) com>Vedic Astrology <vedic astrology >; SJVC <sjvc >; Mani <subra (AT) t-online (DOT) de>; gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com <gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Tuesday, 07 September, 1999 4:20 AM[vedic astrology] Re: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2JAYA JAGANNATHDear Maniji, Thank You for your kind words. You are correct in that the Kali Yugastarted on the day of disappearance of Sri Krishna. It is the tradition ofHindu's to start calanders on the day of disappearance or appearance ofMahatma's and we have so many calanders like Sakabda, Gaurabda etc. In thisprocess with the further progress of Kali Yuga we forgot that the BESTCALANDER IS THE ONE THAT IS INITIATED FROM THE DAY OF DISAPPEARANCE OF THEPARAMATMA instead of a Mahatma or Jeevatma. This only proves that we arestill in Kali Yuga having forgotten our roots and are hunting about indarkness. The only path in such a scenario is given in the VISHNU GAYATRI:TAD-VISHNU PARAM PADAM SADA-PASYANTI SURAH (.) DIVEEVAH CHAKSHYUR AATATAM(.)That is why Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang " Jagannatha Swami Nayana PathagamiBhavatu Me" which is something like "Lead kindly Light". I again reiterate that the error lies in the terminology and not theunderstanding. Like Narasimha has had a correct intuition that it is cycleswithin cycles. And what is the PRIMARY CYCLE? Is it not the Kalpa which iscomposed of 1000 Mahayuga's of 12,000 Daiva Varsha each. If we ERRONEOUSLYtake Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given inManu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See the twostatements for example: 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). You will see that a very gross mathematical error has crept into thesecond statement unwittingly. Thus, what Sri Yukteswara called as Kali Yugais actually the Kali Mahachakra of 1200 Years. (Note:By adding all the fourChakra, we get a Maha Chakra of 1200 Years. (120+240+360+480=1200)). Thus,Kali (ONE) Maha Chakra is 1200 Years, Dwapara (TWO) MahaChakra is 2400years, Treta (THREE) Mahachakra is 3600 years and Kreta (FOUR) Mahachakra is4800 years. As I pointed out, it is only a question of terminology. Next isthe starting point which I will take up another time. I hope all benefit from this.Best Regards,Sanjay RathSri Jagannath Vedic Center152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.Tel:+91-11-2489531Webpage:http://way.to/sjvc----- Original Message -----Mani <subra (AT) t-online (DOT) de><gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Sunday, September 05, 1999 11:46 PMRe: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2> Dear Vidhyadhar and Sanjay,>> May I please give my humble opinions on this subject?>>> V.K.Vidyadhar wrote:> > Dear Sanjayji,> >> > Namaskar.> >> > You are a Master in astrology. I am a 'nobody' compared to you.>> I join in this statement!!!>> >> > "Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru ofParamahansa> > Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both anastrologer and> > a Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a> > 24,000 year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas.B.V.> > Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are notfar> > either. Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate ofmovement> > around 50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of> > speculation."> > I have not read B.V. Raman's book "Notable Horoscopes" so I will not beable> > to answer your question on this. But I do know that Shri Yukteswarjialso> > said the start of Kali Yuga was heralded by the demise of Lord Krishna.>> This is common tradition. But if the departure of Sri Krishna heraldedKali> Yuga, we are faced with various discrepancies:>> 1. Swami Yukteswar gives 700 BC as the time of Parikshit, so that Kalimust have> started and Sri Krishna must have died at that time.>> 2. Dr. Raghavan and other scholars in Madras have carefully investigatedthe> time of the Mahabharatha war and a time around 3100 BC fits in best.Various> puranic king lists and astronomical data were examined.>> According to this Adi Shankara was born about 580 BC and Gauthama Buddha1850> BC. At least Shankara´s time tallies with the chronicles of theKamakotipeetam -> the chief Math established by Shankara. The date 800 AD taken forShankara by> many is a mistake: a confusion with a later Acharya called AbhinavaShankara,> whose life was in many respects similar to that of Adi Shankara. (In fact,> judging by style the scholars concluded Adi Shankara wrote only thecommentary> to the Bhagavadam and all the rest attributed to him were by Abhinava!)>> This dating fits in with the puranic lists. If 499 BC or AD was Kalibeginning> and Krishna departed just before that, Shankara would have lived before> Krishna!!!>> The dating of Indian history is based on only ONE ASSUMPTION made by MAXMÜLLER!> He decided that Alexander "met" Chandragupta Maurya. This is not supportedat> all by any texts. But all texts support the idea that he came to India atthe> time of Chandragupta of the Gupta dynasty, 1000 years after the Mauryashad> lived! BTW Alexander most likely suffered a severe defeat in a battle with> Samudragupta, Chandragupta´s son, which caused him to retreat!>> 3. Swami Yukteswar´s explanation - as given in Vidhyadhar´s posting - is> contradictory to to the above dating.>> Granting all such factors as 24000 years and a wobbling> orbit for the sun, the yuga cycle cannot be satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,> satya, thretha etc. Yukteswar postulates satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,dwapara,> thretha etc. But his periods are for 2 half cycles of 12000 years. ifthere are> two Threthas and two dwaparas for 24000 years, there must be two kalis andtwo> satyas! So the cycle should be : sathya-1, thretha-1, dwapara-1, kali-1,kali-2> dwapara-2, thretha-2, sathya-2, followed by sathya-1 again! So bothsathya and> kali should be double periods.> This is what Yukteswar says: Descending Kali began in 700 BC and ended1200> years later with 499 AD, when ascending Kali began!>> Now, Dwapara lasts, according to him, 2400 years. Adding this to 700 BC,we get> 3100 BC - the traditional beginning of kali! But according to Yukteswarit was> Dwapara that began then!!!>> Now, is that possible? YES, if we change one statement: if we say that Sri> Krishna´s birth STARTED dwapara instead of his death ending it!>>> Is this tenable? Now, generally it is taken that Sri Rama lived in thethretha> yuga, which came to an end when he departed. But the great playwrightBhasa says> that Rama was born at the BEGINNING of Dwapara! Please check what Kalidasasays> in Raghuvamsa, if you have a copy - and let me know!>> In other words, these traditions were UNCERTAIN even 2000 years ago. Theymight> have arisen from ignorance or misunderstanding, since such things were not> written down. So we have to rely on other evidence.>> Since you are all good at sanskrit and have access to the books, try tosee how> one can fit the puzzle together.>> If we accept the change as Rama starting Thretha, Krishna startingDwapara, no> avatar starting Kali, but Chaitanya ending Kali or starting ascendingDwapara,> we may have a probable framework.>> Another calculation wuld be: Kali began in 3100 BC and ended in 700 BC.Dwapara> began then and ended in 1700. So ascending Thretha started then! Is that> philosophically possible? YES, in spite of the present state ofimmorality.> Since the number of souls has increased, there are more to be tested,which> calls for more "evil". Y2K may bring a breakhrough into the real thretha,when> the starting 300 years are over! Let us not forget: many of the evils oftoday> existed even a few hundred years ago, but today more people are aware ofthem> and desire a change.>> As far as astrology is concerned, Yukteswar´s ayanamsa as connected toyugas -> in his way - leaves a wide margin of over 500 years to play with!>> It is a pity no one asked Yukteswar to explain the discrepancies.>> namaste> Mani>------MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining!http://clickhere./click/805eGroups.com home: vedic astrology - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 1999 Report Share Posted September 8, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Vidyadharji, Very nice question. As i have explained in a subsequent letter to the GJList, this is the faith of Sri Yukteshwara Maharaj. In the Guru-Sisya Parampara, the faith of the disciple in the Guru is vital to success in the disciplene. Like Matsyendranathji and Goraknath or Lahiri Mahasaya and Sri Yukteswarji. What his Guru taught, and because he was directed to write he wrote. This was not a subject he was personally interested in, but left impressions for another Generation to learn from. When I learnt Brahma Vidya, I was thoroughly confused about the cycles and why only some sub-cycles would come, and whether there was any real basis to these things. Now it is becoming clearer. Your writing on this subject has prompted me to start speaking out. It is their wish. Now, Yoga was the forte of Sri Yukteshwaraji and not Jyotish. We should understand and respect this. He did something purely on the directions of his Guru and this is something really admirable. How many of us do this today. Maybe he mixed up Kali Mahachakra with the Kali Yuga, but the point remains that Lahiri Mahasaya who was very adept at Jyotish also knew about this Brahma Vidya, and mentioned it to his disciple. The publication was meant to prompt other Jyotish parampara's to take this as a lead and to give out the Brahma Vidya for the benefit of the world, but it did not happen. Lahiri Mahasaya was a perfect Yogi and this was his focus as well as that of his disciples. Let me confirm that those mail were sent to the GJ List earlier as well and it has taken me more than a year to make up my mind to give a reply. Why blame the older Jyotisha's. Please do not attempt to re-write history by erasing so many hard truths. Lahiri mahasaya's upadesa which became Sri Yukteswara's writings are serving their purpose. They have opened my eyes at least. It was like a Divine message for me..."NO MORE HIDING..SPEAK OUT TRUTHFULLY." Reading about a Yogi verbatim is one thing, but UNDERSTANDING THE MESSAGE IS ANOTHER. Let us take the message in the true spirit. Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath - V.K.Vidyadhar SJVC ; G J List ; vedic astrology Cc: Mani ; SRath Tuesday, September 07, 1999 2:03 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2 Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar, With reference to what you said below: If we ERRONEOUSLY take Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given in Manu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See the two statements for example: 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). Sri Yukteswar said the following: 18. The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894) is not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and astrologers who calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and now maintain that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years of which 4994 have (in A.D. 1894) passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark prospect! And fortunately one not true. The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several yugas. Hence, after the completion of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara Yuga, no one dared to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years. According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the first year of Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga. In A.D. 499 when 1200 years, the length of the true Kali Yuga, was complete, and the sun had reached the point of its orbit farthest from the grand centre (when the autumnal equinox was on the first point of Libra in the heavens) the age of Kali in its darkest period was then numbered 3600 years instead of 1200. 19. With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D. 499, the sun began to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand centre, and accordingly the intellectual power of man started to develop. Therefore the mistake in the almanacs began to be noticed by the wise men of the time, who found that the calculations of the ancient rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at 1200 years only. But as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably developed, they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva years ("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Sri Yukteswar says the opposite of what you say. He says the mistake crept in because the scholars of that time ERRONEOUSLY multiplied the correct number by 360. He also explains HOW the mistake crept in. I would like to believe what 99% of the Indian polulation believes, viz., that we are now in the midst of Kali Yuga. But I firmly believe that Sri Yukteswar COULD NOT have made such a mistake. A person of his stature and background could not have made such an error. This was not just a passing remark made by him but these words were deliberately WRITTEN by him in the book "The Holy Science", that too in obedience to a command issued by no less a person that Mahavatar Babaji himself. If a Westerner dismisses such writings by Sri Yukteswar, I can understand it. If a person who has not read "Autobiography of a Yogi" and is unfamiliar with the background of Sri Yukteswar dismisses it, I can understand. But with your background and special qualifications, you must know of the infallibility of the words of a person like Sri Yukteswar. A person who has reached the Nirvikalpa Samadhi stage of development. Such an individual CANNOT make such a mistake. On my part, I find I simply cannot dismiss Sri Yukteswar's writings on this aspect as being false. How can it be? The sun can rise from the West but the writings of a person of Sri Yukteswar's stature CANNOT go wrong. You have read "Autobiography of a Yogi" several times, you are familiar with the true nature of Sri Yukteswar and the Spiritual Giant that he was. I find it quite impossible to accept that Sri Yukteswar could have made such a mistake. I can understand the concept of 'cycle within cycles', very much like the Dasa/Bhukti/Anthras of vedic astrology. But what Sri Yukteswar wrote cannot be explained away even with THIS concept. He was quite emphatic and unambigous on this point, as you can see from his writings (quoted above). How do you explain this anomaly? Your humble student. Vidyadhar V.K. Vidyadhar3 / 90 Belmore StreetWest Tamworth, NSW 2340AustraliaTel: 61-2-67-62 4711Email: vidya (AT) mpx (DOT) com.au (home) vvidyadhar (AT) tamworth (DOT) baeft.com (office) Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) fnworld (DOT) com>Vedic Astrology <vedic astrology >; SJVC <sjvc >; Mani <subra (AT) t-online (DOT) de>; gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com <gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Tuesday, 07 September, 1999 4:20 AM[vedic astrology] Re: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2JAYA JAGANNATHDear Maniji, Thank You for your kind words. You are correct in that the Kali Yugastarted on the day of disappearance of Sri Krishna. It is the tradition ofHindu's to start calanders on the day of disappearance or appearance ofMahatma's and we have so many calanders like Sakabda, Gaurabda etc. In thisprocess with the further progress of Kali Yuga we forgot that the BESTCALANDER IS THE ONE THAT IS INITIATED FROM THE DAY OF DISAPPEARANCE OF THEPARAMATMA instead of a Mahatma or Jeevatma. This only proves that we arestill in Kali Yuga having forgotten our roots and are hunting about indarkness. The only path in such a scenario is given in the VISHNU GAYATRI:TAD-VISHNU PARAM PADAM SADA-PASYANTI SURAH (.) DIVEEVAH CHAKSHYUR AATATAM(.)That is why Chaitanya Mahaprabhu sang " Jagannatha Swami Nayana PathagamiBhavatu Me" which is something like "Lead kindly Light". I again reiterate that the error lies in the terminology and not theunderstanding. Like Narasimha has had a correct intuition that it is cycleswithin cycles. And what is the PRIMARY CYCLE? Is it not the Kalpa which iscomposed of 1000 Mahayuga's of 12,000 Daiva Varsha each. If we ERRONEOUSLYtake Varsha (Year) instead of DAIVA_VARSHA (Years of the Gods as given inManu Smriti), a great error of multiplication by 360 crops up. See the twostatements for example: 1. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Daiva Varsha (or 1200x360= 4,32,000 Years) and 2. Kali Yuga is for 1200 Varsha (or 1200 Years). You will see that a very gross mathematical error has crept into thesecond statement unwittingly. Thus, what Sri Yukteswara called as Kali Yugais actually the Kali Mahachakra of 1200 Years. (Note:By adding all the fourChakra, we get a Maha Chakra of 1200 Years. (120+240+360+480=1200)). Thus,Kali (ONE) Maha Chakra is 1200 Years, Dwapara (TWO) MahaChakra is 2400years, Treta (THREE) Mahachakra is 3600 years and Kreta (FOUR) Mahachakra is4800 years. As I pointed out, it is only a question of terminology. Next isthe starting point which I will take up another time. I hope all benefit from this.Best Regards,Sanjay RathSri Jagannath Vedic Center152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.Tel:+91-11-2489531Webpage:http://way.to/sjvc----- Original Message -----Mani <subra (AT) t-online (DOT) de><gjlist (AT) goravani (DOT) com>Sunday, September 05, 1999 11:46 PMRe: BRAHMA VIDYA Part-2> Dear Vidhyadhar and Sanjay,>> May I please give my humble opinions on this subject?>>> V.K.Vidyadhar wrote:> > Dear Sanjayji,> >> > Namaskar.> >> > You are a Master in astrology. I am a 'nobody' compared to you.>> I join in this statement!!!>> >> > "Personally I prefer the system of Shri Yukteswar, the guru ofParamahansa> > Yogananda, from his book, THE HOLY SCIENCE, as he was both anastrologer and> > a Self-realized soul. He begins the cycle with 499 A.D. and makes it a> > 24,000 year cycle, according to the Vedic theory of the four yugas.B.V.> > Raman's calculations are very close to this and J.N. Bhasin's are notfar> > either. Astronomy places the cycle at 25,800 years (and a rate ofmovement> > around 50.3") but admits fluctuations that make the period a matter of> > speculation."> > I have not read B.V. Raman's book "Notable Horoscopes" so I will not beable> > to answer your question on this. But I do know that Shri Yukteswarjialso> > said the start of Kali Yuga was heralded by the demise of Lord Krishna.>> This is common tradition. But if the departure of Sri Krishna heraldedKali> Yuga, we are faced with various discrepancies:>> 1. Swami Yukteswar gives 700 BC as the time of Parikshit, so that Kalimust have> started and Sri Krishna must have died at that time.>> 2. Dr. Raghavan and other scholars in Madras have carefully investigatedthe> time of the Mahabharatha war and a time around 3100 BC fits in best.Various> puranic king lists and astronomical data were examined.>> According to this Adi Shankara was born about 580 BC and Gauthama Buddha1850> BC. At least Shankara´s time tallies with the chronicles of theKamakotipeetam -> the chief Math established by Shankara. The date 800 AD taken forShankara by> many is a mistake: a confusion with a later Acharya called AbhinavaShankara,> whose life was in many respects similar to that of Adi Shankara. (In fact,> judging by style the scholars concluded Adi Shankara wrote only thecommentary> to the Bhagavadam and all the rest attributed to him were by Abhinava!)>> This dating fits in with the puranic lists. If 499 BC or AD was Kalibeginning> and Krishna departed just before that, Shankara would have lived before> Krishna!!!>> The dating of Indian history is based on only ONE ASSUMPTION made by MAXMÜLLER!> He decided that Alexander "met" Chandragupta Maurya. This is not supportedat> all by any texts. But all texts support the idea that he came to India atthe> time of Chandragupta of the Gupta dynasty, 1000 years after the Mauryashad> lived! BTW Alexander most likely suffered a severe defeat in a battle with> Samudragupta, Chandragupta´s son, which caused him to retreat!>> 3. Swami Yukteswar´s explanation - as given in Vidhyadhar´s posting - is> contradictory to to the above dating.>> Granting all such factors as 24000 years and a wobbling> orbit for the sun, the yuga cycle cannot be satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,> satya, thretha etc. Yukteswar postulates satya, thretha, dwapara, kali,dwapara,> thretha etc. But his periods are for 2 half cycles of 12000 years. ifthere are> two Threthas and two dwaparas for 24000 years, there must be two kalis andtwo> satyas! So the cycle should be : sathya-1, thretha-1, dwapara-1, kali-1,kali-2> dwapara-2, thretha-2, sathya-2, followed by sathya-1 again! So bothsathya and> kali should be double periods.> This is what Yukteswar says: Descending Kali began in 700 BC and ended1200> years later with 499 AD, when ascending Kali began!>> Now, Dwapara lasts, according to him, 2400 years. Adding this to 700 BC,we get> 3100 BC - the traditional beginning of kali! But according to Yukteswarit was> Dwapara that began then!!!>> Now, is that possible? YES, if we change one statement: if we say that Sri> Krishna´s birth STARTED dwapara instead of his death ending it!>>> Is this tenable? Now, generally it is taken that Sri Rama lived in thethretha> yuga, which came to an end when he departed. But the great playwrightBhasa says> that Rama was born at the BEGINNING of Dwapara! Please check what Kalidasasays> in Raghuvamsa, if you have a copy - and let me know!>> In other words, these traditions were UNCERTAIN even 2000 years ago. Theymight> have arisen from ignorance or misunderstanding, since such things were not> written down. So we have to rely on other evidence.>> Since you are all good at sanskrit and have access to the books, try tosee how> one can fit the puzzle together.>> If we accept the change as Rama starting Thretha, Krishna startingDwapara, no> avatar starting Kali, but Chaitanya ending Kali or starting ascendingDwapara,> we may have a probable framework.>> Another calculation wuld be: Kali began in 3100 BC and ended in 700 BC.Dwapara> began then and ended in 1700. So ascending Thretha started then! Is that> philosophically possible? YES, in spite of the present state ofimmorality.> Since the number of souls has increased, there are more to be tested,which> calls for more "evil". Y2K may bring a breakhrough into the real thretha,when> the starting 300 years are over! Let us not forget: many of the evils oftoday> existed even a few hundred years ago, but today more people are aware ofthem> and desire a change.>> As far as astrology is concerned, Yukteswar´s ayanamsa as connected toyugas -> in his way - leaves a wide margin of over 500 years to play with!>> It is a pity no one asked Yukteswar to explain the discrepancies.>> namaste> Mani>------MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining!http://clickhere./click/805eGroups.com home: vedic astrology - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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