A Question to Sanjay (Fallacious logic: non-existent dasas)

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha & Gary,

Understanding the Maharishi's is a different thing. All traditional

astrologers including Prof B SuryaNarayana rao, Dr B V Raman, Iranganti

Rangacharya and myself have accepted the words of the Maharishi's for

determining the signs gained as N-1. Can K N Rao give the source where this

is N Years? Vimsottari dasa starts from the Sun and ends with Venus. What

happens if one is born in Venus Dasa? Does the dasa of the Sun not follow?

Can K N Rao quote the specific sloka where it is mentioned that the Dasa of

the Sun is to follow that of Venus? No. But we know it does because all Dasa

are cyclic.

Just because he has been teaching his ORIGINAL RESEARCH for sometime

does not make it correct when it does not fit the basic principles. Just

because he cannot understand the Maharishi does not make the teaching of the

Tradition incorrect. His Ahamkara is too big and he will never admit his

fault in this life time as then, he cannot sell his books. When I quoted the

sloka for the Mandooka Dasa and showed that what he called Mandooka Dasa was

called as Rasi dasa by parasara, he said that the goood Ol Vemuri said so.

Now, can he not accept his error like a gentleman. Must he continue to teach

these wrong things when i have also shown the sloka's etc to him?

Remember what Parasara said..Blindness will follow..I sincerely hope

that he gets out of his stupor and changes. He should immediately withdraw

his books on Mandooka Dasa and stop teaching wrong things.

 

Blessings of Sri Jagannath,

Sanjay Rath

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You wrote: -

 

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Gary wants to know which text says that 12-n years will come in 2nd cycle

> dasa if n years come in first cycle dasa (Narayana dasa, Sudasa etc).

>

> I have accepted what you taught and also found it extremely useful in

> mundane charts. But is there a text that supports this?

>

> Your sishya,

> Narasimha

> ---------------------- Forwarded by Narasimha Rao/PicTel on 05/13/99 11:17

> AM

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> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Fallacious logic: non-existent dasas

>

>

> Narasimha,

> Two things,

>

> First, according to my recall, fallacious means "faulty". It is a bit less

> strong than delusive. I am prepared to be corrected by the authorities if

> I erred.

>

> Seondly, from my recollection of both the book and Mr. Rao's class, he

> opined that "it did not make sense" that Sagitarrius dassa was not

> experienced. I would be interested (with all respect to Sri Rath) in

> learning of the text which gives the rule that the second set of dasas

> gives 12, the first 0 for a debilitated planet in the circumstance

> described.

>

> I have been very busy and can not contribute nearly as much time to the

> various lists as I once did, but to answer your direct question, there is

> no special rule for the second sequence of chara dasas...they are

> calculated in the same manner as the first.

>

> Again, let us keep in mind that each teacher has developed his or her

> methods according to the principles as he or she understands them.

>

> All the best,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Gangadhara Girish

> Gary Gomes

 

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Sanjay,

 

With all due respect, I still do not know what the scriptural source is for

determining a 0 period initially followed by a telve year period for the

secod cycle. Actually, I personally do not have a logical problem in seeing

a dasa have no years to it; perhaps this is a manifestation of the

debiltation of the planet. This I can accept as being consistent with the

scriptural doctrines I have seen. But the twelve years at the end, seems to

me to be an innovation. Where is this stated? Vinshottri md is very well

known and agreed upon, Jaimini is a bit more mysterious and clouded. Also,

in fairness to Mr. Rao, he credits Vermuri as his teacher in many of his

texts. It would be unseemly, in my opinion, to criticize anyone for

following his teacher.

 

I have found the discussion of the Jaimini system fascinating, especially

for all the discussions on the different ways to calculate mahadasas, and

despite the various rules and exceptions to rules that are given, I still

believe that the Jaimini mahadasas are, theoretically at least, very easy to

calculate once one knows the rules.

 

Finally, and Narasimha and I have had this friendly dispute for a few years,

I believe that you should be able to see what happens in an annual chart

from the natal chart. I studied Tajaka briefly with Dr. Charak when he

visited once, and from what I can recall of his lecture, he seemed to hold

the same opinion,

 

Finally, I can not help but note that I also correctly predicted that Bill

Clinton would not be dismissed from office, as Robert did, yet I used a very

simple assessment of transits and mahadasas. This does not mean that the

more complicated techniques do not have their value, but we should not use a

laser when a knife will do! I have had experiences with some folks who were

considered at the top of their fields and/or who used incredibly detailed

techniques, but who were just dead wrong, and readings from other folks who

were either considered commrcial or technically weak who did phenomenally

accurate readings. The question is, if you were having somebody analyse your

chart, who would you rather have? This is not meant to upset any one; I

endeavor to tell the truth, while respecting that perspectives differ. And

they ALWAYS will. This does not mean that the pursuit of learning should

cease.

 

The question of growth is pertinent indeed!

 

That having been said, I find these lists valuable additions to the growth

of understanding of these systems...but I would still like my question

answered!

 

Thanks,

 

Respectfully,

 

 

Gangadhara Girish

Swami Kampananda

Gary Gomes

 

 

 

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Thursday, May 13, 1999 11:14 PM

[sjvc] Re: A Question to Sanjay (Fallacious logic: non-existent

dasas)

 

 

>Jaya Jagannath

>Dear Narasimha & Gary,

> Understanding the Maharishi's is a different thing. All traditional

>astrologers including Prof B SuryaNarayana rao, Dr B V Raman, Iranganti

>Rangacharya and myself have accepted the words of the Maharishi's for

>determining the signs gained as N-1. Can K N Rao give the source where this

>is N Years? Vimsottari dasa starts from the Sun and ends with Venus. What

>happens if one is born in Venus Dasa? Does the dasa of the Sun not follow?

>Can K N Rao quote the specific sloka where it is mentioned that the Dasa of

>the Sun is to follow that of Venus? No. But we know it does because all

Dasa

>are cyclic.

> Just because he has been teaching his ORIGINAL RESEARCH for sometime

>does not make it correct when it does not fit the basic principles. Just

>because he cannot understand the Maharishi does not make the teaching of

the

>Tradition incorrect. His Ahamkara is too big and he will never admit his

>fault in this life time as then, he cannot sell his books. When I quoted

the

>sloka for the Mandooka Dasa and showed that what he called Mandooka Dasa

was

>called as Rasi dasa by parasara, he said that the goood Ol Vemuri said so.

>Now, can he not accept his error like a gentleman. Must he continue to

teach

>these wrong things when i have also shown the sloka's etc to him?

> Remember what Parasara said..Blindness will follow..I sincerely hope

>that he gets out of his stupor and changes. He should immediately withdraw

>his books on Mandooka Dasa and stop teaching wrong things.

>

>Blessings of Sri Jagannath,

>Sanjay Rath

>---->

>You wrote: -

>

>>

>> Dear Sanjay,

>>

>> Gary wants to know which text says that 12-n years will come in 2nd cycle

>> dasa if n years come in first cycle dasa (Narayana dasa, Sudasa etc).

>>

>> I have accepted what you taught and also found it extremely useful in

>> mundane charts. But is there a text that supports this?

>>

>> Your sishya,

>> Narasimha

>> ---------------------- Forwarded by Narasimha Rao/PicTel on 05/13/99

11:17

>> AM

>> ---------------------------

>>

>> vedic astrology

>> [vedic astrology] Re: Fallacious logic: non-existent dasas

>>

>>

>> Narasimha,

>> Two things,

>>

>> First, according to my recall, fallacious means "faulty". It is a bit

less

>> strong than delusive. I am prepared to be corrected by the authorities if

>> I erred.

>>

>> Seondly, from my recollection of both the book and Mr. Rao's class, he

>> opined that "it did not make sense" that Sagitarrius dassa was not

>> experienced. I would be interested (with all respect to Sri Rath) in

>> learning of the text which gives the rule that the second set of dasas

>> gives 12, the first 0 for a debilitated planet in the circumstance

>> described.

>>

>> I have been very busy and can not contribute nearly as much time to the

>> various lists as I once did, but to answer your direct question, there is

>> no special rule for the second sequence of chara dasas...they are

>> calculated in the same manner as the first.

>>

>> Again, let us keep in mind that each teacher has developed his or her

>> methods according to the principles as he or she understands them.

>>

>> All the best,

>>

>> Namaste,

>>

>> Gangadhara Girish

>> Gary Gomes

>

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