Exaltation signs of Rahu and Ketu (Rahu/Ketu)

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Jaya Jaya Jagannath

Dear Hanna & Narasimha,

There is no controversy here. There is only one dictum about

retrograde planets that of it getting many rays. It is found to give results

of its opposite house. In the horoscope of Bhagawan Sri Ram, we find Saturn

in the 4th (Step-Mother & Domestic Help) house having resulted in His exile

for 14 Years. The Saturn is exalted and retrograde and while indicating

people related to the 4th house, it gave results akin to debility i.e when

He was on the verge of coronation, a devilish conspiracy resulted in His

exile in the Jungle (Debilitation effect) for 14 Years (19-5).

 

With Regards,

Sanjay Rath

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> Hanna Mac wrote:

>

> > Dear Narasimha,I did read your posting on this matter previously . But

> > my main question still remainsdo the nodes give reverse results being R

> > as per the principles of vedic astrology. The nodes can be in any of the

> > signs that you have mentioned,it is up to the individual to decide what

> > he wants to believe in. So for example if one wanted to believe that KE

> > in Taurus was debilitated,being R could it behave like an exalted

> > planet?Many thanks for your response.

>

> Well, when we can't even agree on exaltation signs, there is very little

> value in discussing other issues related to exaltation and debilitation.

>

> The principle of retrograde planet in debilitation acting as an exalted

> planet itself is a matter of controversy (even when talking about other

> planets).

>

> Moreover, we cannot treat Rahu and Ketu as retrograde planets, their

> "direct" motion is from 30 deg in a sign to 0 deg. We cannot apply rules

> meant for retrograde planets to Rahu and Ketu.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

 

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So than we could apply this principle to the nodes in a sense, remaining

aware that the nodes are different from other planets

 

SRath <SRath

Narasimha Rao <pvr

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Friday, April 16, 1999 9:40 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Exaltation signs of Rahu and Ketu (Rahu/Ketu)

 

 

>Jaya Jaya Jagannath

>Dear Hanna & Narasimha,

> There is no controversy here. There is only one dictum about

>retrograde planets that of it getting many rays. It is found to give

results

>of its opposite house. In the horoscope of Bhagawan Sri Ram, we find Saturn

>in the 4th (Step-Mother & Domestic Help) house having resulted in His exile

>for 14 Years. The Saturn is exalted and retrograde and while indicating

>people related to the 4th house, it gave results akin to debility i.e when

>He was on the verge of coronation, a devilish conspiracy resulted in His

>exile in the Jungle (Debilitation effect) for 14 Years (19-5).

>

>With Regards,

>Sanjay Rath

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>> Hanna Mac wrote:

>>

>> > Dear Narasimha,I did read your posting on this matter previously . But

>> > my main question still remainsdo the nodes give reverse results being R

>> > as per the principles of vedic astrology. The nodes can be in any of

the

>> > signs that you have mentioned,it is up to the individual to decide what

>> > he wants to believe in. So for example if one wanted to believe that KE

>> > in Taurus was debilitated,being R could it behave like an exalted

>> > planet?Many thanks for your response.

>>

>> Well, when we can't even agree on exaltation signs, there is very little

>> value in discussing other issues related to exaltation and debilitation.

>>

>> The principle of retrograde planet in debilitation acting as an exalted

>> planet itself is a matter of controversy (even when talking about other

>> planets).

>>

>> Moreover, we cannot treat Rahu and Ketu as retrograde planets, their

>> "direct" motion is from 30 deg in a sign to 0 deg. We cannot apply rules

>> meant for retrograde planets to Rahu and Ketu.

>>

>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

>> Narasimha

>

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Dear Sanjay,

 

> > The principle of retrograde planet in debilitation acting as an exalted

> > planet itself is a matter of controversy (even when talking about other

> > planets).

>

> There is no controversy here. There is only one dictum about

> retrograde planets that of it getting many rays. It is found to give results

> of its opposite house. In the horoscope of Bhagawan Sri Ram, we find Saturn

> in the 4th (Step-Mother & Domestic Help) house having resulted in His exile

> for 14 Years. The Saturn is exalted and retrograde and while indicating

> people related to the 4th house, it gave results akin to debility i.e when

> He was on the verge of coronation, a devilish conspiracy resulted in His

> exile in the Jungle (Debilitation effect) for 14 Years (19-5).

 

I beg to disagree. I have seen people handling retrograde planets in

debilitation and exaltation in several different ways. Some just ignore

retrogression.Some look at whether the planet is moving towards or away from the

point of deep exaltation/debilitation and treat differently based on that. I

don't think our astrologer community is in unison on this issue. There IS

controversy and what you expressed above is just ONE opinion.

 

You can give examples, but we have counter-examples too. Take Ramakrishna

Paramahansa for example. He has lagna lord Saturn exalted in 9th with

retrogression. During Saturn dasa, he made tremendous spiritual progress. Why?

Saturn did not give him 9th house results akin to debility.

 

Prof. P.S. Sastri has Pisces lagna and lagna lord Jupiter exalted in 5th with

retrogression. Still you can detect *exalted* Jupiter's strong influence in his

erudition and scholarly prowess.

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha

 

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Jaya Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha,

The results are the same. Saturn is in the ninth house and like in

the chart of Sri Ram, it will give results pertaining to that house. In this

case, as the Lord of the ascendant, ti will do good for the Lagna and being

in retrogression, it has tremendous Chesta bala..i.e the person is

frustrated many times, but keeps going. Here, there have not been any

Rajyoga which should be expected from Saturn in Exaltation, but, instead,

Pravrajya Yoga i.e Renunciation. In the former case, it was imposed on Sri

Rama, whereas in the present case, this was adopted by Sri RamaKrishna as a

way of life as Saturn is lord of Lagna.

Thus, Saturn has given results akin to debility..PravRajyayoga and

NOT Rajyoga.

Jupiter's retrogression is a different tale. While in the 5th house

in the Chart of Prof P.S.Shastri it has given him the Knowledge and rare

insights into this Jyotish, but its retrogression has resulted in his being

akin to debility i.e. the person will be denied many of the worldly

happiness that should have come from an exalted Jupiter. Unlike saturn,

Pravrajya Yoga may not result in toto.

 

With Regards,

Sanjay Rath

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> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > > The principle of retrograde planet in debilitation acting as an

> > > exalted planet itself is a matter of controversy (even when talking

> > > about other planets).

> >

> > There is no controversy here. There is only one dictum about

> > retrograde planets that of it getting many rays. It is found to give

> > results of its opposite house. In the horoscope of Bhagawan Sri Ram, we

> > find Saturn in the 4th (Step-Mother & Domestic Help) house having

> > resulted in His exile for 14 Years. The Saturn is exalted and retrograde

> > and while indicating people related to the 4th house, it gave results

> > akin to debility i.e when He was on the verge of coronation, a devilish

> > conspiracy resulted in His exile in the Jungle (Debilitation effect) for

> > 14 Years (19-5).

>

> I beg to disagree. I have seen people handling retrograde planets in

> debilitation and exaltation in several different ways. Some just ignore

> retrogression.Some look at whether the planet is moving towards or away

> from the point of deep exaltation/debilitation and treat differently based

> on that. I don't think our astrologer community is in unison on this

> issue. There IS controversy and what you expressed above is just ONE

> opinion.

>

> You can give examples, but we have counter-examples too. Take Ramakrishna

> Paramahansa for example. He has lagna lord Saturn exalted in 9th with

> retrogression. During Saturn dasa, he made tremendous spiritual progress.

> Why? Saturn did not give him 9th house results akin to debility.

>

> Prof. P.S. Sastri has Pisces lagna and lagna lord Jupiter exalted in 5th

> with retrogression. Still you can detect *exalted* Jupiter's strong

> influence in his erudition and scholarly prowess.

>

> Your sishya,

> Narasimha

>

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Dear Sanjay,

 

> Thus, Saturn has given results akin to debility..PravRajyayoga and

> NOT Rajyoga.

> Jupiter's retrogression is a different tale. While in the 5th house

> in the Chart of Prof P.S.Shastri it has given him the Knowledge and rare

> insights into this Jyotish, but its retrogression has resulted in his being

> akin to debility i.e. the person will be denied many of the worldly

> happiness that should have come from an exalted Jupiter. Unlike saturn,

> Pravrajya Yoga may not result in toto.

 

I don't agree that debilitated Saturn gives Pravrajya yoga and exalted Saturn

gives rajayoga. I truly believe that Paramahansa got the result of *exalted*

Saturn in 9th, in Saturn dasa.

 

Same holds for Prof. Sastri. I don't think Jupiter in 5th would've made him so

knowledgeable if he was debilitated. Jupiter can make one so brilliant, only

when giving the results of exaltation or own house occupation. Definitely not

when debilitated. It may make sense to you, but it makes no sense to me.

 

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Based on his 45 years of practical experience, this is what my father says with

regard to retrograde planets:

 

Retrograde planets tend to give their results very late, after a lot of waiting.

Retrogression means delay in giving results.

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha

 

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha,

You have made a very interesting point, but do consider the

following:-

>

> > SR: What else is the renunciation of Ramakrishna. Are you aware that

> > towards the later days he could not even touch money? Once when he was

> > sleeping, a disciple kept some money under his bed and he started to

> > have convulsions in sleep. That is the level of the Prav rajya Yoga he

> > had achieved in this body. Finally, when he was initiated by Totapuri

> > Maharaj, he started to worship Sri krishna and so intense was his

> > tapasya that his body became like a female..he is said ho have developed

> > breasts and..

> > An exalted saturn will give great rajyoga as in the chart of

> > Emperor

> > Akbar.

>

> I don't agree. Saturn is not only the significator of jeevana, but he also

> signifies discipline, hard-work, tapasya and renunciation. Exalted Saturn

> can give both raja yoga and parivraja yoga. It just depends on his

> position in vimsamsa, dasamsa, his nakshatra and aspects on him. In

> Paramahansa's case, Saturn is in Rahu's nakshatra and Jupiter in Rahu

> nakshatra aspects him closely.

 

SR: Rahu is the Atmakaraka. Hence it makes Paramhansa spiritual. Well, this

is OK, but still fails to define the trend. Either there is rajyoga or

pravrajyoga and not both. The Bhoga & Moksha Marga are poles apart..one from

the second and the other from the 12th house. When saturn retrogrades in

exaltation, it is a potential stage for renunciation or Vanvas..

 

> Exalted Saturn can also make one a hard-working and disciplined tapasvi

> and jitendriya with great nigraha.

>

> > > Based on his 45 years of practical experience, this is what my father

> > > says with regard to retrograde planets:

> > >

> > > Retrograde planets tend to give their results very late, after a lot

> > > of waiting.

> > > Retrogression means delay in giving results.

> > SR: So, Your Father and I are in agreement here. Retrogression gives

> > Chesta Bala or the power to keep trying. If you get something quickly or

> > easily, will you try for it. Thus, retrogression gives results very late

> > or after much effort. My saturn is in the 11th and is retrograde..the

> > denial is terrible. This single factor can also destroy the rajyoga's in

> > the Chart as it is also the AK...Renunciation..Let us wait and see in

> > which way Sani dev takes me.

> > Sanjay

>

> My father says that delay due to retrogression is much higher for

> malefics. Sometimes, a retrograde malefic may NOT give its promised result

> in one's whole life.

SR: Why does it delay, why does it not give straight away? Why deny? This is

the sign for pravrajya yoga. My point regarding Chesta bala is also in lines

with those of your father.

 

> As per my rectification, retrograde Saturn afflicts lagna in your D-45 and

> D-60 and afflicts lagna lord Moon in 12th in D-16. Actually I am surprised

> to see your D-16. I saw it today for the first time. Debilitated Mars,

> debilitated Jupiter and nodes are on lagna axis. Lagna lord Moon is in

> 12th with 8th lord Saturn. While your other charts are very nice, D-16

> doesn't look good. Of course, I don't have to tell you who to propitiate.

> You know better!

SR: Is it self denial or is it taken away from me?

 

Blessings of Sri Jagannath,

Sanjay Rath

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