Guest guest Posted April 4, 1999 Report Share Posted April 4, 1999 Om Krishnaay Namah Hello Sanjay. Thanks for the information about the different methods of Varga calculation. So tell me, is ParivrittiDwaya Hora the method of a specific person or classic, or is it more generally used? My curiosity is fully awake. Also, when you mention 'Parasara Hora', is this the 'conventional' way? If so, can you tell us more on it's use. About the ParivrittiDwaya Hora, I am fully convinced that this is the way Parasara intended the Hora chart to be calculated and so "from the Hora, wealth is to be judged" seems good enough for me. Do you have another use? Thanks for your time, Pursottam SRath wrote: > Jaya Jaya Jagannath > Dear Purushottam, > Plese refer to the first chapter of my translation of Maharishi > Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra. I have given the following from Page 23 onwards. > The methods of reckoning drekkana..Regularity or triplicity. The following > tables are given:- > > 1. Parivrittitraya Drekkana > 2. Somanath Drekkana > 3. Jagannath Drekkana > 4. Parasara drekkana > 5. Parasara Navamsa > 6. Parasara hora > 7.ParivrittiDwaya Hora > > Let me tell you that each of these has a specific usage. The Hora > you mention here is the ParivrittiDwaya Hora and is quite well known to the > traditional astrologers like Sri Iranganti Rangacharya etc. > BY THE WAY, WHAT DO YOUR NOTES SAY ABOUT ITS USAGE? > > With Regards, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------- > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya > > > > The True Hora Chart > > > > Hi All. Before you delete this, please bare in mind that I think you > > should read this thoroughly as some of the stuff in here may be very > > IMPORTANT. > > > > Today, I was going through some of my oldest folders containing very rough > > notes on stuff I found in my beginning days of studying Jyotish. In there, > > there was one piece of paper with some scribbled information on the Hora > > chart. At that time I must have left this info untouched because at that > > time: > > > > a) I never really knew much about the Hora Chart. > > b) I never had any classics which I could refer to so I thought to myself > > there is no use in believeing one person against hundreds of others. > > > > However I came across this 'new' way, which I now firmly believe is the > > real way, of calculating the Hora chart. THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT MY OWN > > WORK. It must be some other source, but unfortunately, I don't know who > > came up and rediscovered this real method. So, if after reading this it > > rings some bells, let me know. For now, I say it's Parashara's knowledge > > so I should share it. To try and cut the crap (Pardon me), I'll try to > > present this info in an informal way. Here goes... > > > > The way most authors and programmers calculate Hora Lagna is wrong. This > > makes it a chart which is hardly used, if ever, and something needs to be > > done. Everybody keeps sticking all the planets in either Cancer or Leo. > > This is wrong. The following is the real method, which I shall then refer > > to the classics over... > > > > The first half of Aries ends up as Aries Hora. > > The second half ends up as Taurus. > > > > The first half of Taurus ends up as Gemini. > > The second half ends up as Cancer. > > > > The first half of Gemini ends up as Leo. > > The second half ends up as Virgo. > > > > The first half of Cancer ends up as Libra. > > The second half ends up as Scorpio. > > > > The first half of Leo ends up as Sagittarius. > > The second half ends up as Capricorn. > > > > The first half of Virgo ends up as Aquarius. > > The second half ends up as Pisces. > > > > The first half of Libra ends up as Aries. > > The second half ends up as Taurus. > > > > The first half of Scorpio ends up as Gemini. > > The second half ends up as Cancer. > > > > The first half of Sagittarius ends up as Leo. > > The second half ends up as Virgo. > > > > The first half of Capricorn ends up as Libra. > > The second half ends up as Scorpio. > > > > The first half of Aquarius ends up as Sagittarius. > > The second half ends up as Capricorn. > > > > The first half of Pisces ends up as Aquarius. > > The second half ends up as Pisces. > > > > According to GC Sharma's translation of BPHS: > > > > "The first half of odd signs...is the Hora of the Sun while the second > > half...is the Hora of the Moon. The reverse is the case in the even > > signs." > > > > So what's all this stuff about Hora of the Sun and Hora of the Moon? Well > > the fact of the matter is, Parashara just call's them Hora of the > > Sun/Moon. He doesn't say Leo or Cancer. The rules he has given us can be > > applied to the method given above. It simply means that the if a planet's > > Hora placement is in Aries, Cancer, Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, or Pisces > > it is in the Sun's Hora. If in another, it is in the Moon's Hora. > > > > The rule that Sun, Mars and Jupiter give pronounced effects in the Hora of > > the Sun, while Venus, Saturn and Moon in the Moon's Hora, and Mercury in > > both can be applied here as well as the other more often used ules of > > Varga interpretation. > > > > Let's just compare this method and the conventional method, with the rest > > of Parashara's instructions: > > > > "Half of the Rashi is called Hora. There are a total of twenty four." > > > > Works in both. In each case we divide the Zodiac into 24 chunks. > > > > "In these Horas, the signs Aries etc. are counted twice" > > > > This only works in the above method!!! In the conventional method you only > > have Leo and Cancer. > > > > So I think the above method does work better than the conventional. This > > afternoon I picked an example. I chose Bill Clinton (Virgo Lagna) and drew > > up his Hora chart. > > > > First the General rules. Moon and Saturn are in Hora's of the Moon. > > Mercury gives effects either way. Sun and Jupiter are in Sun's Horas. With > > Ayanamsha play, Jupiter may even get into Pisces! Now a proper look. Lord > > of the tenth Mars occupies Lagna Aquarius. Remember it is exalted in > > Saturn's other sign. Lord of Lagna Saturn is exalted in the ninth. Venus > > is exalted in the second. Moon is exalted and gets Dig Bala in the fourth. > > According to Parashara Ketu is in Mulatrikona in the sixth, while > > according to Sarvarth Chintamani it would be Rahu. You must agree, it is > > quite good, don't you think? > > > > Now at the moment I am after comments from anybody. Particularly however > > Raghu. What do you think? The point here is that if this is the true Hora > > chart (I am certain), Vimshopak and Shad Bala goes SLIGHTLY wrong. Also, > > many people will not get a glimpse into this unique and valuable chart. Is > > it programmable to have an option to choose the type of Hora chart you > > want? Also remember, in Varshaphal, the Dwadasvargeeyabala calculations > > are going to be disturbed. > > > > So for the final note, Comments please, good or bad. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > Pursottam > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > This message has been sent from talk21 http://www.talk21.com/ -------------------- This message has been sent from talk21 http://www.talk21.com/ ------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/sjvc Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 1999 Report Share Posted April 4, 1999 Jaya Jaya Jagannath Dear Purushottam, Plese refer to the first chapter of my translation of Maharishi Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra. I have given the following from Page 23 onwards. The methods of reckoning drekkana..Regularity or triplicity. The following tables are given:- 1. Parivrittitraya Drekkana 2. Somanath Drekkana 3. Jagannath Drekkana 4. Parasara drekkana 5. Parasara Navamsa 6. Parasara hora 7.ParivrittiDwaya Hora Let me tell you that each of these has a specific usage. The Hora you mention here is the ParivrittiDwaya Hora and is quite well known to the traditional astrologers like Sri Iranganti Rangacharya etc. BY THE WAY, WHAT DO YOUR NOTES SAY ABOUT ITS USAGE? With Regards, Sanjay Rath ---------------- > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya > > The True Hora Chart > > Hi All. Before you delete this, please bare in mind that I think you > should read this thoroughly as some of the stuff in here may be very > IMPORTANT. > > Today, I was going through some of my oldest folders containing very rough > notes on stuff I found in my beginning days of studying Jyotish. In there, > there was one piece of paper with some scribbled information on the Hora > chart. At that time I must have left this info untouched because at that > time: > > a) I never really knew much about the Hora Chart. > b) I never had any classics which I could refer to so I thought to myself > there is no use in believeing one person against hundreds of others. > > However I came across this 'new' way, which I now firmly believe is the > real way, of calculating the Hora chart. THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT MY OWN > WORK. It must be some other source, but unfortunately, I don't know who > came up and rediscovered this real method. So, if after reading this it > rings some bells, let me know. For now, I say it's Parashara's knowledge > so I should share it. To try and cut the crap (Pardon me), I'll try to > present this info in an informal way. Here goes... > > The way most authors and programmers calculate Hora Lagna is wrong. This > makes it a chart which is hardly used, if ever, and something needs to be > done. Everybody keeps sticking all the planets in either Cancer or Leo. > This is wrong. The following is the real method, which I shall then refer > to the classics over... > > The first half of Aries ends up as Aries Hora. > The second half ends up as Taurus. > > The first half of Taurus ends up as Gemini. > The second half ends up as Cancer. > > The first half of Gemini ends up as Leo. > The second half ends up as Virgo. > > The first half of Cancer ends up as Libra. > The second half ends up as Scorpio. > > The first half of Leo ends up as Sagittarius. > The second half ends up as Capricorn. > > The first half of Virgo ends up as Aquarius. > The second half ends up as Pisces. > > The first half of Libra ends up as Aries. > The second half ends up as Taurus. > > The first half of Scorpio ends up as Gemini. > The second half ends up as Cancer. > > The first half of Sagittarius ends up as Leo. > The second half ends up as Virgo. > > The first half of Capricorn ends up as Libra. > The second half ends up as Scorpio. > > The first half of Aquarius ends up as Sagittarius. > The second half ends up as Capricorn. > > The first half of Pisces ends up as Aquarius. > The second half ends up as Pisces. > > According to GC Sharma's translation of BPHS: > > "The first half of odd signs...is the Hora of the Sun while the second > half...is the Hora of the Moon. The reverse is the case in the even > signs." > > So what's all this stuff about Hora of the Sun and Hora of the Moon? Well > the fact of the matter is, Parashara just call's them Hora of the > Sun/Moon. He doesn't say Leo or Cancer. The rules he has given us can be > applied to the method given above. It simply means that the if a planet's > Hora placement is in Aries, Cancer, Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, or Pisces > it is in the Sun's Hora. If in another, it is in the Moon's Hora. > > The rule that Sun, Mars and Jupiter give pronounced effects in the Hora of > the Sun, while Venus, Saturn and Moon in the Moon's Hora, and Mercury in > both can be applied here as well as the other more often used ules of > Varga interpretation. > > Let's just compare this method and the conventional method, with the rest > of Parashara's instructions: > > "Half of the Rashi is called Hora. There are a total of twenty four." > > Works in both. In each case we divide the Zodiac into 24 chunks. > > "In these Horas, the signs Aries etc. are counted twice" > > This only works in the above method!!! In the conventional method you only > have Leo and Cancer. > > So I think the above method does work better than the conventional. This > afternoon I picked an example. I chose Bill Clinton (Virgo Lagna) and drew > up his Hora chart. > > First the General rules. Moon and Saturn are in Hora's of the Moon. > Mercury gives effects either way. Sun and Jupiter are in Sun's Horas. With > Ayanamsha play, Jupiter may even get into Pisces! Now a proper look. Lord > of the tenth Mars occupies Lagna Aquarius. Remember it is exalted in > Saturn's other sign. Lord of Lagna Saturn is exalted in the ninth. Venus > is exalted in the second. Moon is exalted and gets Dig Bala in the fourth. > According to Parashara Ketu is in Mulatrikona in the sixth, while > according to Sarvarth Chintamani it would be Rahu. You must agree, it is > quite good, don't you think? > > Now at the moment I am after comments from anybody. Particularly however > Raghu. What do you think? The point here is that if this is the true Hora > chart (I am certain), Vimshopak and Shad Bala goes SLIGHTLY wrong. Also, > many people will not get a glimpse into this unique and valuable chart. Is > it programmable to have an option to choose the type of Hora chart you > want? Also remember, in Varshaphal, the Dwadasvargeeyabala calculations > are going to be disturbed. > > So for the final note, Comments please, good or bad. > > Thanks for your time, > > Pursottam > > > > -------------------- > This message has been sent from talk21 http://www.talk21.com/ ------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/sjvc Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 1999 Report Share Posted April 7, 1999 All the methods explained are traditional Jyotish. Proper understanding for usage is necessary. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath. kunverji.dabasia <kunverji.dabasia SRath <SRath Cc: GJList <gjlist; SJVC <sjvc > Monday, April 05, 1999 9:23 PM [sjvc] Re: Hora chart - Important Om Krishnaay Namah Hello Sanjay. Thanks for the information about the different methods of Varga calculation. So tell me, is ParivrittiDwaya Hora the method of a specific person or classic, or is it more generally used? My curiosity is fully awake. Also, when you mention 'Parasara Hora', is this the 'conventional' way? If so, can you tell us more on it's use. About the ParivrittiDwaya Hora, I am fully convinced that this is the way Parasara intended the Hora chart to be calculated and so "from the Hora, wealth is to be judged" seems good enough for me. Do you have another use? Thanks for your time, Pursottam SRath wrote: > Jaya Jaya Jagannath > Dear Purushottam, > Plese refer to the first chapter of my translation of Maharishi > Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra. I have given the following from Page 23 onwards. > The methods of reckoning drekkana..Regularity or triplicity. The following > tables are given:- > > 1. Parivrittitraya Drekkana > 2. Somanath Drekkana > 3. Jagannath Drekkana > 4. Parasara drekkana > 5. Parasara Navamsa > 6. Parasara hora > 7.ParivrittiDwaya Hora > > Let me tell you that each of these has a specific usage. The Hora > you mention here is the ParivrittiDwaya Hora and is quite well known to the > traditional astrologers like Sri Iranganti Rangacharya etc. > BY THE WAY, WHAT DO YOUR NOTES SAY ABOUT ITS USAGE? > > With Regards, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------- > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya > > > > The True Hora Chart > > > > Hi All. Before you delete this, please bare in mind that I think you > > should read this thoroughly as some of the stuff in here may be very > > IMPORTANT. > > > > Today, I was going through some of my oldest folders containing very rough > > notes on stuff I found in my beginning days of studying Jyotish. In there, > > there was one piece of paper with some scribbled information on the Hora > > chart. At that time I must have left this info untouched because at that > > time: > > > > a) I never really knew much about the Hora Chart. > > b) I never had any classics which I could refer to so I thought to myself > > there is no use in believeing one person against hundreds of others. > > > > However I came across this 'new' way, which I now firmly believe is the > > real way, of calculating the Hora chart. THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT MY OWN > > WORK. It must be some other source, but unfortunately, I don't know who > > came up and rediscovered this real method. So, if after reading this it > > rings some bells, let me know. For now, I say it's Parashara's knowledge > > so I should share it. To try and cut the crap (Pardon me), I'll try to > > present this info in an informal way. Here goes... > > > > The way most authors and programmers calculate Hora Lagna is wrong. This > > makes it a chart which is hardly used, if ever, and something needs to be > > done. Everybody keeps sticking all the planets in either Cancer or Leo. > > This is wrong. The following is the real method, which I shall then refer > > to the classics over... > > > > The first half of Aries ends up as Aries Hora. > > The second half ends up as Taurus. > > > > The first half of Taurus ends up as Gemini. > > The second half ends up as Cancer. > > > > The first half of Gemini ends up as Leo. > > The second half ends up as Virgo. > > > > The first half of Cancer ends up as Libra. > > The second half ends up as Scorpio. > > > > The first half of Leo ends up as Sagittarius. > > The second half ends up as Capricorn. > > > > The first half of Virgo ends up as Aquarius. > > The second half ends up as Pisces. > > > > The first half of Libra ends up as Aries. > > The second half ends up as Taurus. > > > > The first half of Scorpio ends up as Gemini. > > The second half ends up as Cancer. > > > > The first half of Sagittarius ends up as Leo. > > The second half ends up as Virgo. > > > > The first half of Capricorn ends up as Libra. > > The second half ends up as Scorpio. > > > > The first half of Aquarius ends up as Sagittarius. > > The second half ends up as Capricorn. > > > > The first half of Pisces ends up as Aquarius. > > The second half ends up as Pisces. > > > > According to GC Sharma's translation of BPHS: > > > > "The first half of odd signs...is the Hora of the Sun while the second > > half...is the Hora of the Moon. The reverse is the case in the even > > signs." > > > > So what's all this stuff about Hora of the Sun and Hora of the Moon? Well > > the fact of the matter is, Parashara just call's them Hora of the > > Sun/Moon. He doesn't say Leo or Cancer. The rules he has given us can be > > applied to the method given above. It simply means that the if a planet's > > Hora placement is in Aries, Cancer, Leo, Scorpio, Sagittarius, or Pisces > > it is in the Sun's Hora. If in another, it is in the Moon's Hora. > > > > The rule that Sun, Mars and Jupiter give pronounced effects in the Hora of > > the Sun, while Venus, Saturn and Moon in the Moon's Hora, and Mercury in > > both can be applied here as well as the other more often used ules of > > Varga interpretation. > > > > Let's just compare this method and the conventional method, with the rest > > of Parashara's instructions: > > > > "Half of the Rashi is called Hora. There are a total of twenty four." > > > > Works in both. In each case we divide the Zodiac into 24 chunks. > > > > "In these Horas, the signs Aries etc. are counted twice" > > > > This only works in the above method!!! In the conventional method you only > > have Leo and Cancer. > > > > So I think the above method does work better than the conventional. This > > afternoon I picked an example. I chose Bill Clinton (Virgo Lagna) and drew > > up his Hora chart. > > > > First the General rules. Moon and Saturn are in Hora's of the Moon. > > Mercury gives effects either way. Sun and Jupiter are in Sun's Horas. With > > Ayanamsha play, Jupiter may even get into Pisces! Now a proper look. Lord > > of the tenth Mars occupies Lagna Aquarius. Remember it is exalted in > > Saturn's other sign. Lord of Lagna Saturn is exalted in the ninth. Venus > > is exalted in the second. Moon is exalted and gets Dig Bala in the fourth. > > According to Parashara Ketu is in Mulatrikona in the sixth, while > > according to Sarvarth Chintamani it would be Rahu. You must agree, it is > > quite good, don't you think? > > > > Now at the moment I am after comments from anybody. Particularly however > > Raghu. What do you think? The point here is that if this is the true Hora > > chart (I am certain), Vimshopak and Shad Bala goes SLIGHTLY wrong. Also, > > many people will not get a glimpse into this unique and valuable chart. Is > > it programmable to have an option to choose the type of Hora chart you > > want? Also remember, in Varshaphal, the Dwadasvargeeyabala calculations > > are going to be disturbed. > > > > So for the final note, Comments please, good or bad. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > Pursottam > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > This message has been sent from talk21 http://www.talk21.com/ -------------------- This message has been sent from talk21 http://www.talk21.com/ ------ eGroups eLerts! 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