Christianity meets Hinduism (for Bharat)

May 11, 2006

Namaste Bharat,

The Da Vinci Code is a fiction. Even the author states that it is

so. But for entertainment purposes, I bought it and still have to

complete it.

Regards,

John R.

valist, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri

>

> This discussion can end up in a bad taste and that too on an

astrology list.

> Let me just say, I have my reasons for saying what I did. I do not

want

> anyone to follow my understanding of the subject.

>

> You are free to disagree with me with or without reasons. I do not

mind

> disagreement.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 5/11/06, temp_spk4 <temp_spk4 wrote:

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > What most Christian churches teach may not be exactly what Jesus

> > intended, but "complete opposite"? Bharat, were you just

> > exaggerating for emphasis or is this what you truly believe?

> > What "Church" are you referring to -- and how recently have you

> > attended "Church" to hear what is taught? Honestly, this sounds

> > like a generalization based on common perception (misperception).

> > Or maybe you would be willing to share with us what has been

taught

> > to you in "Church" and explain how that is the complete opposite

of

> > what Jesus intended?

> >

> > I attend Catholic churches when I visit some of my family members

> > and find that the kernel of what is taught is essentially the same

> > as what I get from other sources, though the language/vocabulary

and

> > the rituals are different. Perhaps the main thing that religions

> > can be faulted with is that they divide people into groups and do

> > not offer a broad view -- one has to step outside the religion to

> > gain a broader understanding, otherwise some tend to view their

> > rituals and beliefs as the only valid beliefs and

> > expressions/offerings to the divine.

> >

> > However, in order to really appreciate a religion it is almost

> > necessary to break through the ceiling that religions have and

view

> > the religion from a broader perspective.

> >

> > For instance, many Christians will say that it is only through

Jesus

> > that salvation is achieved. And I can go along with that, but

only

> > with the understanding that it is the supreme level of

> > consciousness - "Christ consciousness" -- that Jesus embodied that

> > is necessary to attain for salvation. So, to me, it is valid to

for

> > Christians to say this. Just as others may say that is it through

> > their Guru that salvation is achieved. It is not the person, the

> > individual, but rather the TRUTH/ PURE CONSCIOUSNESS/ WHATEVER YOU

> > WANT TO CALL IT that is embodied by them. However, this TRUTH is

> > inseperable from the individual who embodies it, so anyway you

slice

> > it, it is a valid statement to me. The problem with it is that it

> > is so easily misunderstood.

> >

> > When Jesus said "I am the Light, the Way, the Truth" it is a true

> > statement to me because I believe THAT was indeed who he was -- he

> > was not identitified with the body or ego, but rather with this

> > UNIVERSALLY available awareness that each of us has the potential

to

> > realize.

> >

> > Ultimately, if a particular way of expression resonates with one's

> > heart and that is what provides solace and the experience of the

> > divine then where is the problem? The problem arises only when we

> > think our way is the best or only way and unfortunately, this kind

> > of thinking is almost built-in because natually people think that

> > what they are doing is the best, otherwise they wouldn't do it!

> > However, such thinking is not confined to members of religions.

Just

> > as some here might say that Jyotish offers the best perspective

for

> > viewing Truth or that their particular approach to life is the

best

> > approach, ect.

> >

> > In Catholic church it is stated that "we acknowledge only one

> > baptism...", ect. And this I do not like because it automatically

> > divides people into groups -- those who were baptized in this

> > particular way and those who weren't. So when attending church it

> > is a mixed experience for me, I like celebrating the Divine as

> > expressed through the life of Jesus, but I do not like some of the

> > language used that automatically divides people.

> >

> > The last time I attended Catholic church and received communion,

in

> > stead of saying "AMEN" I almost said "OM NAMAH SHIVAYA" which to

me

> > has the same sentiment and which would have been a shock to the

> > minister for sure, but when in Rome....

> >

> > valist, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

> > <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Ashutosh

> > >

> > > There has never been a problem to unite Jesus with Hinduism.

There

> > is

> > > evidence that he studied both Tantra Hinduism and Buddhism and

> > preached the

> > > same.

> > >

> > > However, what Church preaches is complete opposite of what Jesus

> > would have

> > > probably taught or now which is being found out through the lost

> > gospels and

> > > Da Vinci Code.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 5/11/06, astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Das,

> > > >

> > > > Even though christians may not be able to

merge

> > Hindu and

> > > > Christian thoughts, the Hindus have been successfully

amalgating

> > various

> > > > diverse sects and cults over the ages.

> > > >

> > > > When Buddha's atheistic and non-traditional preachings

> > started

> > > > becoming popular, the Brahminical groups opposed it in

whatever

> > way they

> > > > could. But, when buddhism was patronised by Kings, efforts

were

> > made to

> > > > assimilate Buddhism with hinduism.

> > > >

> > > > Ultimately, Buddha was granted the status of an amsa-

> > avatar of

> > > > Vishnu, by Hindus. This way, he was acceptable to all.

> > > >

> > > > In the same way, imagine if Jesus, Bahaiullah,

Mohammed,

> > Moses,

> > > > and all other prophets and religious leaders are made amsa-

> > avatars of

> > > > Vishnu. There can be only ten poorna-avatars of Vishnu, but

> > numerous

> > > > amsa-avatars.

> > > >

> > > > But, it is not as simple as that. It was easier to

make

> > Buddha an

> > > > amsa avatar. He was born in same region, preached non-violence

> > and love,

> > > > spoke same language, the buddhists follow same cleanliness and

> > purification

> > > > rituals as hindus, they go bare feet in the temples, are

> > vegetarian, and a

> > > > lot many factors.

> > > >

> > > > Jesus was born in a different land and spoke different

> > language,

> > > > but he too preached love and non-violence. If the use of meat

> > and wine are

> > > > somehow adjusted, he can also be made into an amsa avatar.

> > > >

> > > > It is easy to categorise, differentiate and divide. It

> > is a lot

> > > > easier to similarise, affiliate and unite. The only

requirement

> > is a will to

> > > > do so. Just find somethings which are common to both and

> > emphasize on them.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > ** Das Goravani <das@>

> > > > *To:* valist

> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, 11 May, 2006 04:37

> > > > *Subject:* Patricia meets Hinduism

> > > >

> > > > I'm just putting this up to introduce the new title of the

> > thread.

> > > >

> > > > Use this email from now on for this thread.

> > > >

> > > > (Note: this is a joke I'm making)

> > > >

> > > > Reason: It's funny to watch someone with what I could call

> > > > Christio-NewAgio

> > > > idea of God to meet Hindus of the various types, and there are

> > various

> > > > types

> > > > of Hindus when it comes to "God", so to watch Patty dear meet

> > them is

> > > > really

> > > > funny, and vice versa...them deal with her....it's alot like

tea

> > parties

> > > > the

> > > > British had with their servants years ago on the lawns in

> > India...very

> > > > confused discussions, like two different planets meeting...

> > > >

> > > > : valist-

> > > >

> > > > Links

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> > > > : valist-

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May 11, 2006

On 5/11/06, John <jr_esq > wrote:

Namaste Bharat,The Da Vinci Code is a fiction. Even the author states that it

isso. But for entertainment purposes, I bought it and still have tocomplete

it.Regards,John R.valist, "Bharat Hindu

Astrology"<hinduastrology wrote:>> Namaskaar Sri>> This discussion can end

up in a bad taste and that too on an

astrology list.> Let me just say, I have my reasons for saying what I did. I do

notwant> anyone to follow my understanding of the subject.>> You are free to

disagree with me with or without reasons. I do not

mind> disagreement.>> Thanks and Regards> Bharat>> On 5/11/06, temp_spk4

<temp_spk4 wrote:> >> > Namaste> >> > What most Christian churches teach

may not be exactly what Jesus

> > intended, but "complete opposite"? Bharat, were you just> > exaggerating

for emphasis or is this what you truly believe?> > What "Church" are you

referring to -- and how recently have you

> > attended "Church" to hear what is taught? Honestly, this sounds> > like a

generalization based on common perception (misperception).> > Or maybe you

would be willing to share with us what has been

taught> > to you in "Church" and explain how that is the complete oppositeof> >

what Jesus intended?> >> > I attend Catholic churches when I visit some of my

family members

> > and find that the kernel of what is taught is essentially the same> > as

what I get from other sources, though the language/vocabularyand> > the rituals

are different. Perhaps the main thing that religions

> > can be faulted with is that they divide people into groups and do> > not

offer a broad view -- one has to step outside the religion to> > gain a broader

understanding, otherwise some tend to view their

> > rituals and beliefs as the only valid beliefs and> > expressions/offerings

to the divine.> >> > However, in order to really appreciate a religion it is

almost> > necessary to break through the ceiling that religions have and

view> > the religion from a broader perspective.> >> > For instance, many

Christians will say that it is only throughJesus> > that salvation is achieved.

And I can go along with that, but

only> > with the understanding that it is the supreme level of> > consciousness

- "Christ consciousness" -- that Jesus embodied that> > is necessary to attain

for salvation. So, to me, it is valid to

for> > Christians to say this. Just as others may say that is it through> >

their Guru that salvation is achieved. It is not the person, the> >

individual, but rather the TRUTH/ PURE CONSCIOUSNESS/ WHATEVER YOU

> > WANT TO CALL IT that is embodied by them. However, this TRUTH is> >

inseperable from the individual who embodies it, so anyway youslice> > it, it

is a valid statement to me. The problem with it is that it

> > is so easily misunderstood.> >> > When Jesus said "I am the Light, the Way,

the Truth" it is a true> > statement to me because I believe THAT was indeed

who he was -- he

> > was not identitified with the body or ego, but rather with this> >

UNIVERSALLY available awareness that each of us has the potentialto> >

realize.> >> > Ultimately, if a particular way of expression resonates with

one's

> > heart and that is what provides solace and the experience of the> > divine

then where is the problem? The problem arises only when we> > think our way is

the best or only way and unfortunately, this kind

> > of thinking is almost built-in because natually people think that> > what

they are doing is the best, otherwise they wouldn't do it!> > However, such

thinking is not confined to members of religions.

Just> > as some here might say that Jyotish offers the best perspectivefor> >

viewing Truth or that their particular approach to life is thebest> > approach,

ect.> >

> > In Catholic church it is stated that "we acknowledge only one> >

baptism...", ect. And this I do not like because it automatically> > divides

people into groups -- those who were baptized in this

> > particular way and those who weren't. So when attending church it> > is a

mixed experience for me, I like celebrating the Divine as> > expressed through

the life of Jesus, but I do not like some of the

> > language used that automatically divides people.> >> > The last time I

attended Catholic church and received communion,in> > stead of saying "AMEN" I

almost said "OM NAMAH SHIVAYA" which to

me> > has the same sentiment and which would have been a shock to the> >

minister for sure, but when in Rome....> >> > valist

, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"> > <hinduastrology@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaskaar Sri

Ashutosh> > >> > > There has never been a problem to unite Jesus with Hinduism.

There> > is> > > evidence that he studied both Tantra Hinduism and Buddhism and>

> preached the> > > same.> > >> > > However, what Church preaches is complete

opposite of what Jesus

> > would have> > > probably taught or now which is being found out through the

lost> > gospels and> > > Da Vinci Code.> > >> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat> > >> > > On 5/11/06, astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh@>

wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Das,> > > >> > > > Even though

christians may not be able to

merge> > Hindu and> > > > Christian thoughts, the Hindus have been

successfullyamalgating> > various> > > > diverse sects and cults over the

ages.> > > >

> > > > When Buddha's atheistic and non-traditional preachings> >

started> > > > becoming popular, the Brahminical groups opposed it inwhatever>

> way they

> > > > could. But, when buddhism was patronised by Kings, effortswere> > made

to> > > > assimilate Buddhism with hinduism.> > > >> > > > Ultimately,

Buddha was granted the status of an amsa-

> > avatar of> > > > Vishnu, by Hindus. This way, he was acceptable to all.> > >

>> > > > In the same way, imagine if Jesus, Bahaiullah,Mohammed,> >

Moses,

> > > > and all other prophets and religious leaders are made amsa-> > avatars

of> > > > Vishnu. There can be only ten poorna-avatars of Vishnu, but> >

numerous> > > > amsa-avatars.

> > > >> > > > But, it is not as simple as that. It was easier tomake> >

Buddha an> > > > amsa avatar. He was born in same region, preached non-violence

> > and love,> > > > spoke same language, the buddhists follow same cleanliness

and> > purification> > > > rituals as hindus, they go bare feet in the temples,

are> > vegetarian, and a

> > > > lot many factors.> > > >> > > > Jesus was born in a different

land and spoke different> > language,> > > > but he too preached love and

non-violence. If the use of meat

> > and wine are> > > > somehow adjusted, he can also be made into an amsa

avatar.> > > >> > > >> > > > It is easy to categorise, differentiate

and divide. It

> > is a lot> > > > easier to similarise, affiliate and unite. The

onlyrequirement> > is a will to> > > > do so. Just find somethings which are

common to both and

> > emphasize on them.> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > >

Ashutosh> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > **

Das Goravani <das@>> > > > *To:* valist> > > > *Sent:*

Thursday, 11 May, 2006 04:37> > > > *Subject:* Patricia meets Hinduism> >

> >> > > >

> > > >> > > > I'm just putting this up to introduce the new title of the> >

thread.> > > >> > > > Use this email from now on for this thread.> > > >

> > > > (Note: this is a joke I'm making)> > > >> > > > Reason: It's funny to

watch someone with what I could call> > > > Christio-NewAgio> > > > idea of God

to meet Hindus of the various types, and there are

> > various> > > > types> > > > of Hindus when it comes to "God", so to watch

Patty dear meet> > them is> > > > really> > > > funny, and vice versa...them

deal with her....it's alot like

tea> > parties> > > > the> > > > British had with their servants years ago on

the lawns in> > India...very> > > > confused discussions, like two different

planets meeting...

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > :

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