Male Circumcision (for brathru PDK)for Brother john

[Guest guest]

fulfill our duties of moksha by practicing it at home.As we ponder these ideas

of moksha, we come to the realization of the mysteries relating to this idea.

Thus, we arrive at the field of the 8th house, the field of mystery and

transformation. We either continue or disavow our learned faith depending on

what we conclude based on our experience. Thus, moksha is a continuous

transformation of our understanding of our beliefs and ideas about

religion.Depending on the knowledge we learn from the various transformations

in life, we reach to the field of surrender of mind and ego to the divine,

which is the field of the 12th house. Depending on the quality of our

surrender, we come to the confirmation of the truth that we have learned from

the beginning. Thus, cycle of the various moksha houses is complete.In your

case, you have an exalted Jupiter in the 12th house with Venus. This shows that

your knowlege

of moksha is being confirmed with your own experience of life. The vedic

shastras say that benefic planets in the 12th house is a good sign of reaching

nirvana, or that the person will not have to return back to the world to

cleanse his or her karma.Regards,John R.valist, pdk

kotak wrote:>> Respected brother John,> > In last para u said 8th house for

liberation - if Rahu is in 8th house - do person get mokhsha or what - in case

if u want to go into details before answering the question > I give birth

details as follows:> DOB 18 =08= 1931 POB KARACHI (PAKISTAN) TOB 08=00AM > I

shall be much obliged if u kindly answer this question at yr ease.- Hari Om

pdk> John wrote:> Namaste Patricia,> > Yes, I believe circumcision is an

attempted form of sacrifice to >

symbolize the unique creative powers of the genital organs. It can > often mean

the denial of sexual pleasures for the sake of creation of > new life. This

latter idea, however, can take a negative toll as > graphically shown in

jyotish.> > Specifically, the 8th house is, among other things, the indicator

of > the generative organs. The attempt to deny this field is signified > by

the 8th house. Thus, the 8th house from the 8th house becomes the > 3rd house.

The 3rd house is the field of symbols and > communications. But at the same

time the third house signifies the > field of kama or desires.> > In modern

parlance, the denial of the potential of the generative > organs is merely a

symbolic gesture to signify the intended > sacrifice. In effect, this denial

can only lead to the increase of > sexual appetites (perhaps even in unorthodox

ways) since the 3rd

> house is the field of desires.> > Nonetheless, we should remember that the 8th

house is a field of > moksha (liberation) which is related to the 12th house

(sacrifice) > and the 4th house (the heart or home). More on this later...> >

Regards,> > John R.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

valist, Patricia Robinett > wrote:> >> > john, do you see how

this fits in with the satan as denier of > > pleasure idea?> > > > > > On Apr

23, 2006, at 7:52 PM, John wrote:> > > > > Namaste Patricia and all:> > >> > >

I read the web site containing your new book. I didn't realize > they> > >

circumcised girls in the the USA. I thought this only happened

in> > > Africa.> > >> > > Personally, I was circumcised at about 10 years old by

a doctor. > It> > > was a right of passage for all young boys in the

Philippines. My> > > father had his cut off with a bolo knife by an old man.> >

>> > > I remember it was painful after the anesthesia wore off. > Curiously,> >

> my female relatives wanted to see what it looked like after it was> > >

finished. And I foolishly obliged! But it was the culture back> > > then. I'm

sure it still is now.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > John R.> > >> > >> > >> > >>

> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > > valist, Patricia Robinett > > wrote:> > >>> >

>> On Apr 23, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Das Goravani wrote:> > >>> > >>> Astrology

PROVES and is not a theory, but yes, it proves that we> > >>> are all

connected, like drops of water which follow each other> > > down> > >>> a

flowing river.> > >>> > >> astrology provides that useful information.> > >>

it's humbling to know that it's all written,> > >> scripted, and all we need do

is flow with the river.> > >>> > >>> All the material in the universe, including

the atoms of our> > >>> bodies, are floating together. It is known that our

solar> > > system> > >>> is moving TOGETHER through the

stars like a frisbee disc flying> > >>> through space. The rest of space , or I

mean the matter, the> > > stars> > >>> etc., are also all interrelated inasmuch

as a black hole sucks> > > what> > >>> is around it, not something far away,

yet.> > >>> > >> i have a friend who calls it 'energy soup.' > > >>> > >>>

All is interrelated. This is actually VERY basic, but yet to be> > >>> grasped

by most humans. This is one reason I dislike> > > Christianity> > >>> so much-

it propounds that you can be totally separate.> > > Actually> > >>> this is

taught by any "God the Father Personalism" religion> > >>> including

Vaisnavism. That's why the Hare Krishna movement> > > doesn't> > >>> allow

Jyotish ads in their main movement magazine. The fact is,> > >>> predeterminism

and "all is one" thought flys in the face of the> > >>> idea of "Praying to God

to change my life".> > >>> > >> yes, very superstitious.> > >> and yet, i read a

lot of superstition on this list too.> > >> to me, if it involves fear, it is

superstition.> > >>> > >>> There is a one, a whole, a flow, which is going on.

Jyotish> > > proves> > >>> this. And if you think of Jyotish, how charts are

formed, you> > > will> > >>> see that children born close in time in nearby

cities have very> > >>> similar but slightly different charts, and they usually

end up> > >>> enduring the same things in life...the same schools, the same> > >

local> > >>> leaders, the same local weather, sometimes the same death from> >

>>> natural disaster,...etc.> > >>> > >> yes, it's beautiful.> > >>>> > >>>

It's so clear to me, personally. I need no theories from any> > >>> scientist.

The blowing wind first hits the tree on the edge of> > > the> > >>> yard, then

the next, then the next, in perfect order... There is> > >>> nothing random,

ever, ever, ever....all is one, in a flow, ALL> > > IS> > >>> ONE. There is NO

escape either, only SARANAGATI or SURRENDER> > >>> > >> surrender to what, das?

> > >> i get from many of the posts here that the idea> > >> is to 'surrender

to 'fate'/the 'inevitable'' -- and suffer. > > >> is that what

all the masters have meant by 'surrender'?> > >> i personally don't think so.> >

>> i think it is more as rumi and the other more romantic poets> > >> have said,

to surrender to the Lover. to Love itself...> > >> to the Power of Life, which

is the ultimate pleasure...> > >> 'absolute beauty' is what socrates called

it.> > >>>> > >>> Maya, the delusion, is thinking we are separate. Again this

is> > > why> > >>> I dislike "RELIGIONS" which "TEACH (?)" that you are an> >

>>> "individual" with "free will".> > >>> > >> i don't agree with religions

that think we are separate from> > >> one another or separate from the creative

force, 'God.'> > >> this is how i would read the concept of 'free will'...> > >>

we can choose, in any

moment,> > >> to identify with our idea of separation and> > >> experience the

fear and tension that engenders,> > >> or enjoy the fact of oneness... absolute

beauty.> > >> that 'quiet melting in', that delicious acceptance of BEING.> > >>

that is where our 'free will' lies... not in 'doing.'> > >> free will is our

choice of where we place our attention.> > >> we are always surrendered --

either to the limited mind,> > >> the idea of separation -- or the awareness of

unlimited, energy> > > soup.> > >> when we surrender to the flow of the river,

the soup,> > >> we are reliniquishing our loose canon of attention (judgment,>

> >> fear, anger, sorrow, grief, etc) to the nature of love, life,> > > which>

> >> is all> > >> that truly exists. the

rest is just our trying to swim upstream.> > >> we can be invested in the idea

that things should be different --> > >> fight the flow of the river -- or just

let go and be in the flow> > > of> > >> life, breath...> > >> in this moment. in

the now. fully present. conscious. aware.> > > nice.> > >>> > >> right use of

free will = intention to join with the 'forever'...> > >> moment by moment,

breath by breath.> > >>> > >>> They should look at the words. "WILL" means only

"WANTING".> > > Hah!> > >>> Not GETTING.> > >>> > >> my dictionary says

something quite different.> > >> nothing about wanting. perhaps you are

thinking> > >> of the word, 'wish'?> > >>> > >>

love, patricia> > >>> > >> Buy my NEW BOOK> > >> "The Rape of Innocence :> > >>

One Woman's Story of> > >> Female Genital Mutilation in the USA"> > >> at

http://www.AesculapiusPress.com> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To

, send an email to: > > > For software

visit: http://www.goravani.com> > > Links> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > > > ANNOUNCING the release of my new book...> > > > THE RAPE OF

INNOCENCE :> > One Woman's Story of Female Genital Mutilation in the USA"> > >

> A high-quality trade paperback> > 110 pages> >

7" x 8.5" x .25"> > Retail price $19.95> > > > Terms: Batches of 3, 30%

discount> > Batches of 5, 40% discount> > Shipping included> > No returns> > >

> I will be happy to send an e-book for your review.> > > > Sincerely,> >

Patricia Robinett> > > > p.s. See front and back of book cover, chapter title>

> and excerpt at http://www.AesculapiusPress.com> >> > > > > > > To

, send an email to: > For software

visit: > Links> > > > > > > > > Send

instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.>To

, send an email to: For

software visit: Links<*> To visit your

group on the web, go to:valist/<*> To

from this group, send an email to:valist<*> Your use

of is subject to:

To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre.